travis kalanick is out as investors try to move past scanda scandals jack ma on why globalization is good david will sit down with him martha stewart shares her take on the state of retail the media mogul is going to join us live. first up, travis kalanick is out as ceo of uber bill gurley this morning, big investor in uber said books will be written about kalanick's entrepreneurship and few have changed industries the way he has. >> yeah. adam lashinski wrote a fantastic book "fortune writer" that came out four weeks ago about kalanick had he to break billions of eggs to make a couple of really fabulous omelets it's almost as if i don't want to say his job was done, but i would say that you got in there and it wouldn't be so bad to have a more -- a lesser addict story. personal tragedy you have to weigh this i think obviously the people got an image of what the company was like inside that was a little bit distressing. listen, this guy did it. and i don't think there's enough good being said. i know there's tons bad, but i use it, you use it and it doesn't matter where you are in the world, we all use it >> yeah. >> this didn't exist six years ago. can we give this guy a few minutes of credit because even though -- he had to be who he had to be to get it done is what i'm saying there was an undercurrent in the book how bad a guy is he? the answer is, bad enough to do the job. >> uber did put out a statement. travis has always put uber first. this is a bold decision and a sign of his devotion and love for uber by stepping away he's taking time to heal from his own personal tragedy by giving the company time to heal we look forward to continuing to serve with him on the board. this morning, david, "esquire" has a piece saying travis was at war with everyone in a business that is famous for dealing with your frenemy you disagree with them, you collide on one issue, you cooperate on another. >> yeah. you know, carl, what's come up to me and has been discussed by a number of people who have invested in uber, have chosen not to, not necessarily a war that you described but maybe also with their customers. this is a consumer facing company that has not always had at least what seemed the best relationship with the people who use the service although of course they do continue to use it in droves think of pricing and how much hostility that creates you have to wonder when i think about the future of this company, is it going to be led by somebody who perhaps is more focused on treating the customer better having been with jack ma, spent a lot of time here, remember him? we'll hear from him later. customer first, right? is that the case at uber i don't know maybe it will be now. >> mike isaac at "the new york times" broke the story in the middle of the night. >> yeah, i saw this. >> was on "squawk" this morning. talked about whether or not the board was really looking to a new round of fundraising, an ipo in which a public face of the company needed to be a little more less extreme, less aggressive. >> look, i think that in theen he wasn't made for primetime he sure was made to fight every country that was against him you had to have a brashness and a belief in yourself now his confidence bored on overconfidence his insulance boarded on being broughty i've met him a couple of times i like the guy he told me he could buy me and sell me. that's fabulous. i didn't know i was for sale terrific what price he's one of those guys hey, i can buy you and sell you. how are you? then he was very charming to my wife i don't know the guy can be charming. i mention that only metaphorically he can be charming and he can be without a doubt -- i'm not going to use a word because there's a word that comes to mind, but -- >> well, that word -- he was self-aware. >> that's what's so funny. >> yes. >> here's a brief sound of travis in 2015 >> i realize that i can -- i can come off as somewhat fierce advocate for uber. people have said that. i also realize that some have used a different a word to describe me. well, i'll be the first to admit that i'm not perfect and neither is this company. like everyone else, we make mistakes, but at uber we are passionate about learning from them >> now let's not talk about him in the past tense because he remains on the board. >> right. >> and we don't know what involvement he may have at uber operationally or at some other company. people are now tossing around other names. people who are free agents, people like adam bain, people like marissa meyer. >> like a secret agent from lyft that would be interesting, right? what is that, like thrush? the empire strikes back. kalanick ii? no can we just not have that. >> all right >> i'm floating that and shooting it down immediately the a word is extraordinary. when the book came, all they wanted to talk about was -- i've never seen someone so universally reviled but at the same time recognizing that when you go to china to get a deal done or did you -- >> go to miami. >> yes. >> and take on the taxing commission. >> i don't think you want to be a sweet guy. there wasn't a lot of sweetness. there isn't a lot of sweetness to kalanick. >> yeah. >> no one thinks about the s word, but i do think that that job would be a great job and i'm not putting john scoli in it, fabulous guy, marissa meyer. adam bain, wow, hey, i'm the nicest guy in the world. i'm ready. adam bain is -- adam bain is like nice. >> yes. >> i remember continuing with the wife analogy my wife says, that guy's the nicest guy in the world. could be good for them change of pace change of pace. >> speaking of disrupters, jack ma of course has been the focus of david faber for the past 12, 18 hours that exclusive, david. walk us through it >> yeah. you know, carl, of course we're here at gateway 17 this is an event that was put together by alibaba sometime back and hats been attended or will be attended by 3,000 small and medium-sized businesses here in detroit not all of them from detroit, i should say the event is in detroit. they're being drawn from all over the country, but particularly sort of the heartland to give them a sense as to the power of the alibaba platform to allow them to reach the consumer in china. it's all part of, of course, jack ma's globalization, he being a key evangelist for globalization in a time when really is t would seem to be in retreat. that was an area that he and i talked a good deal about in our interview. take a listen. >> my belief is a globalization is good but it need to be improved globalization should be inclusive to everybody we should not, you know, throw out the baby because the baby's crying too much. it's a good thing, but how can you improve it globalization only in the past three years so what if we can improve next three years i'm a believer, strong believer of globalization, how to create jobs, especially small business. next 30 years the technology is going to challenge a lot of job opportunities so if we cannot help the local business going global, it's going to be a big problem. today i see so many small business, they're buying from this country, manufacturing there, designing u.s.a., sell to china. >> right. >> this is called -- >> all over the place. >> that's right. >> there is absolutely globalization, many would argue, has been a benefit to the world economy as you've just said. however, you seem to be swimming against the current tide i know you're talking about replacement or different organization than world trade organization that you're sort of thinking about that would empower small business when you have governments that are not embracing it the way they once did, isn't that a threat >> in the past 18 years when i do internet in china, we got criticism every day. you know, something we believe it, a lot of people criticize it but if you really believe it, continue to do it, improve it. i think doing like a crazy man last year i fly in the air 870 hours and this year i will fly maybe over 1,000 hours. >> why are you doing that? why are you spending 1,000 hours in an airplane visiting with world leaders. what's the point >> convincing people globalization is good. convincing people free trade is good convincing them small business should be the driver of the globalization, the driving force. you cannot stop globalization. the world is getting so small, right? internet plane ticket people traveling around the world. how can you stop it? >> you can't. >> you cannot stop it. if you cannot stop it, improve it. >> all right so you go and you talk to various world leaders. >> yes. >> including the president of the united states earlier this year did he embrace what you're talking about? because certainly has platform has not been one that has necessarily embraced the ideas you're espousing. >> i think he supported small business, young people when i say we're going to have small business summit in the midwest, detroit, he was so excited. he said, jack, this is a great idea please do it and if there anything i can help, let meknow >> and as you guys know, it was the million jobs that came along with that promise that certainly attracted the president who is focused on job creation as one of his key responsibilities and platforms. >> well, you know, david, we were talking about travis kalanick earlier you can dominate the world or try to dominate the world and still be a -- kind of a gentleman and a statesman and a guy you root for isn't that how you feel when you talk to jack ma? >> yes and he's an inspiring figure i mean, we certainly listen. we're getting exposed to him here in the u.s. they've made an effort to do that in alibaba. their investor base is here and so few of them used the product. it's a very difficult thing they face in the sense of so many people who invest but don't really understand it the way we understand amazon or google or uber and he is the face of that he is not running the company day to day making every single decision in terms of where are we allocating this, where are we allocating that. he is the broad thinker about the vision for this company, jim, and to your point, he has an inspiring story that we've heard a number of times and now is really being shared with a lot of people in this country, and he has a very, very definitive vision of where he sees the world going, not necessarily all of it good, but he certainly is very confident in where he sees things going and how alibaba will benefit from it. >> yeah. i like his point that if you're going to change the narrative on globalization, it's not going to be with political ads, hitting people over the head, it's going to be about the numbers, right it's going to be about delivering the jobs. >> yes. >> sort of bottom up process. >> david, one of the things i think that's incredible, there are a lot of people who talk with trump this guy clearly talked with trump, comes here. he's hell bent on creating jobs. there's a seriousness to what he's trying to do, isn't there >> there is. we're going to share some of our back and forth about a million jobs and whether you really can get there, but the idea is to the extent you can actually get small businesses here in the united states, even farmers and the like to use the alibaba platform, to use the logistics and all the different things they say address the pain points of actually trying to sell into china and do that, then maybe you're going to hire another person or another two people certainly something they are happy to hear about. no doubt so he walked out of that meeting. we know what was back in early january. right before the president took office with trump being happy and him following through with this very conference or more than that, this big meeting here we're having in detroit today. >> you know, david, i had wix on people don't know this company they're signing up 2 million small business people on next month where they can do a website. if you want to sell internationally, you use us. i have adobe, champion, orion. international. a global attempt for small businesses to be able to sell their ares i listen to jack ma and i think to myself, you know what, there are people in this country who are going to have a billion people that are part of their market that you never thought you could touch and it's because of ma and the technology does he ever talk about how there is a virtuous circle coming together of the technology being able to make it so that we could have chinese people buying our stuff? >> without a doubt in fact, we have a long discourse about the future of employment you heard him refer to it briefly in that exchange in terms of the potential pain over the next 30 years. that's something we talk about where you guys are in terms of what's going to happen with automation, robotics, machines, ai and the replacement that that's going to involve in terms of jobs. we talk a lot about that he does seem to embrace the idea that we're at a point where people are going to be their own small business, be able to sell whatever it is they have around the world. we'll see whether that can actually happen. even speaking to the merchants here, many of whom are going to embrace this idea of trying to get into the chinese market, it's not the easiest thing to do it takes time and a great deal of effort and it's not necessarily still ensuring success even if you do get access to all of those consumers. we'll see where it all ends up but it is an interesting effort on the part of alibaba. >> it's a bit of a sell if you look at what's happening be with jobs at large companies. axios today points out in 1990 the big three in detroit employed about a million people. in '14 the three biggest companies in silicon valley, 137,000 people and roughly the same revenue nominally. >> i come back and i say that you use the apple app and 2 million people have been developing things on that. you take a look at the small businesses and what they're capable of doing using alphabet, using youtube video to sell things, using wix to sell things you look at the federal express conference call there last night. you can ship it there. the globalization of individual and individual skill sets not equal to what big business can do i totally agree. i just feel like jack ma says, you know what, if you have something good, don't think you have to sell it in the united states i like that because the more customers you have, the better you're doing, period end of story >> david, a lot more to come from you in detroit. great stuff. >> really great. still to come, nike's getting a lift we're going to tell you what amazon has to do with that david will interview martha stewart this morning she'll offer her take on the retail landscape a lot of questions for her nasdaq's gone negative for the month and down four out of five. we'll see what happens when the nus.gsn ou14 rin iabt mite at fidelity, trades are now just $4.95. we cut the price of trades to give investors even more value. and at $4.95, you can trade with a clear advantage. fidelity, where smarter investors will always be. and at $4.95, you can trade with a clear advantage. 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[ shrieking and chuckling ] i mean hello sweetie. despicable me 3. rated pg. nikes' up in the premarket citing some channel checks goldman has a note saying the dow is considering selling products directly through amazon of course, they do sell through third parties now. this would have better control over how the brand is presented. they argue direct economic exposure to amazon's users, implications for footlocker, dick's and others. >> this market is so negative on retail that when that note came out, the first -- i saw footlocker down a couple of bucks. i said, oh, my god, who downgraded footlocker. amazon brushed up against it you brush up against amazon, then whoever you're against is just immediately saying i surrender. what's really interesting is foot locker is a good company. stocks have been straight down since last quarter it's almost as if everybody says i'm no longer going to fight tell me what to do you're jeff bezos. you're in charge i'm a puppet this is how people are when he comes after. it's like, he's got the strings. he's got the strings >> they don't even try. >> it's like, yeah, i surrender. let's say he wanted to go up against a company like carmax. carmax reported a great quarter today. if they say we have someone from amazon, third cousin, brother that might come in the whole game would be erased immediately. >> we're going to watch nike in the premarket and foot locker is down 5% before the bell. we'll get cramer's mad dash, take another look at the premarket. back in a minute in these turbulent times, do you focus on today's headwinds? or plan for tomorrow? at kpmg, we believe success requires both. with our broad range of services and industry expertise, kpmg can help you anticipate tomorrow and deliver today. kpmg. 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my dog is invested in nvidia. >> you have the hot money in it. i get a little concerned about hot money. people on twitter despise me i'm supposed to love hot money, i'm supposed to love speculation, the juice but in the end i would rather have slow and steady win the race >> yeah. david, one of my favorite tweets was from george perks of the spoke. even if you believe bitcoin's in a bubble, bubbles require fixed investments and that's a lot of what the nvidia story is about. >> indeed, it is i -- you know, jim, i mean, i thought you changed your name to nvidia i didn't think it was the dog. >> i did, but it didn't resonate, david. you can't put your picture on twitter and say my name is nvidia when i put everett's picture up, people in -- nvidia, they're trying to figure out whether it's a dog's name or semiconductor. david, this thing is so hot that it just makes me feel like some other stocks that we've seen over time. now this is well run he's brilliant but david nvidia is picking up nvidia is not amazon it can't take over the world it can do very well. it's in the switch, with i is the hottest games. it's in autonomous cars but, you know, you can only make so many chips. and i do think that it can be the next intel which has had a remarkable run as you know it's not going to be the next intel this afternoon. >> no, it's not. so do you think it's over done i mean, do you compare it in some way then to a qualcomm in the late '90s, into the 2000s? that run up to the dotcom boom even though the business is doing extraordinarily well, to your point, it can only go so far? >> well, i think that i would give it -- it's like on the jersey turnpike, it's going 78 i would give it a speeding ticket it could slow down it's faster than all the other cars my big issue here, david, is not necessarily that it won't get much higher eventually i just don't want -- the speed with which this thing is going and how much faster it is than every other stock reminds me, you know, it still -- it's featuring who its end markets are. its end markets are strong we know that from adobe, we know that from speaking to alphabet and to facebook. i just get concerned that stocks get too hot in an environment where we might have a selloff and then everybody runs away that's all i'm talking about you buy this one on a dip, not when it's climbing and i make the analogy to my dog. why do i do that i just don't want people to get hurt i think nvaidia is fabulous. stocks can shoot up and shoot down fast even if they're great, and that's what i'm saying. >> no doubt about it it's funny i took a look at a chart at sis does given that announcement i was covering yesterday ushering in the new era of networking remember, cisco has been an incredible company that stock had over 500 billion market value back in, what, 2000 or somewhere around there. >> right >> to your point, things can sometimes exceed at least on a multiple basis the expectations in terms of the addressable market, i guess, at certain times. >> right i mean, cisco and markets were a lot of these companies that you covered that ended up not being successful some of them got obliterated again, i reiterate i think nvidia is the best semiconductor company in the world but it is up more than every other stock in the market and it's attracted a lot of hot money. i would like to see the hot money come out of it and you get right back in. recognize a long-term investor can stay in and have a great run and a short term investor trying to catch -- yesterday it was at 160, it reversed i'm trying to get it so that people don't get hurt. i feel the same way about amd. i don't want anyone to get hurt. that's interpreted as i hate them just the opposite. amd is doing a fabulous job. nvidia has the best semiconductors now everybody is relying on them, but i also don't want people to say, hays, listen, i'm going to go buy it and i can't go wrong cisco is the lone survivor i don't think it's going to have that meet teoric rise and stock. i hate cramer. hate my dog. kick my dog. >> david, you do have some stuff on toshiba, right? >> yes you know, guys, as you know, carl, jim and i have been talking about this very important sale of the flash business for toshiba i want to do a faber report on that we do have some things to add. this morning we got the news that a consortium that includes the innovation network corporation of japan, bain capital private equity and the development bank of japan, sort of the incountry consortium, if you will, has been at least deemed preferred bidder for that sale of the flash business very important sale. of course, we've discussed this in terms of toshiba's financial wherewithal and its ability to continue outside of any bankruptcy filing. of course, it affects the bankruptcy filing of its west g westinghouse subsidiary. the flash business is a huge business i've been reporting for some time that broadcom has had significant interest i wanted to update people. what happened there? a couple of weeks ago broadcom thought it could be the preferred bidder and that did not happen what did happen i can tell you is that broadcom had indicated a bid of some $20 billion for this business it was fully financed. it would also have included interim financing for this flash business it would be some time before things closed. things are advancing in flash and they need money right now to invest and toshiba doesn't have the money to put into the flash business it importantly included that interim financing. it was -- the expectation was that it was going to be the preferred bidder given the indication of $20 billion which is above, we believe, the bid from the consortium, which was roughly 18 billion however, on june 15th western digital filed a lawsuit in california seeking injunktive relief to prevent them from transferring the jv industry and injunctive relief for the transfer broadcom stopped in their tracks they felt the potential liability could even end be up in some sort of tortious interference claim they've backed away. it doesn't necessarily mean they won't come into this process at some point if a deal isn't signed the expectation is given that lawsuit from western digital, what they believe at least is their claim for the ability to ask for an injunction if they don't get what they want as a result of that joint venture, they say it gives them the right to be part of any deal, they're backed away right now. you may not see a deal with the consortium that gets signed. july 14th is when they've asked the judge, western digital has asked the judge in california to give them some sense in terms of the ruling they also have a separate arbitration that's been placed guys, i want to update people on that jim, i know you followed it closely as well. bro broadcom was there their guys were ready to more or less get on a plane and make it happen, but they did not follow through due to that lawsuit from western dig which you would have figured out a way to settle before they moved away from the entire deal which could have the impact of delaying, delaying, delaying which is one thing toshiba doesn't want. >> boy, david, that ruled out a bid. that was before the ceo broke up that was before the injunction when i went over the injunction, david, it was very clear that anyone who went be in against them, i think they would have gone tortious interference they would have absolutely made life hell for broadcom what's really interesting about this, david, is they're going to make life hell for anybody even though it's the superior court. western digital, they're not going to get that money. western digital wants to be in on that. it's been very noisy i think this is one of the uglier ideas i think that toshiba screwed up here i think that they just screwed up like they've screwed up everything else and they should have made a deal with western digital because this is going to make it so they don't get the money from that consortium they're just not we're going to be hearing about this forever it was such a dumb move. who is running that place? who is running toshiba, david? >> well, i don't know, but you raised a key point now, listen, the japanese government would prefer to have it stay in country given intellectual property and a lot of other things. your point is a valid one, salient one here if it was enough to say to broadcom to say, you know what, we're not going to move ahead at this point you have to wonder if the consortium, sophisticated buyers, are also going to feel that way we'll see. we have to monitor the western digital lawsuit here in california in -- i mean, in the states very closely to see how this progresses. and, again, jim, as we've said so many times, this has implications for toshiba, for westing house, and utilities for which westing house is building. this is a big story. >> use bankruptcy to affect everyone from southern chicago vision iron. there isn't anybody. the ripples here are incredible. i think toshiba should have sat down with milligans and say, look, let's cut some sort of deal no no it got really nasty. it's going to get nastier. toshiba is off the rails >> guys, nike is leading the dow. intel the lager this morning let's get to bob pa pasani >> msci is including mainland china. here's the guy in charge of it, sebastian liebwicz for those of us who invest in international markets, what does this mean for the international investor >> quite simple. you will be owning more stocks >> you say asia. these are china mainland stocks. right now hong kong and chinese companies down here like alibaba are included, but there's hundreds of mainland china stocks, $6 trillion worth that aren't in these indexes. why do we want them in >> it's given the opportunity for investors to tap into a whole new market mainland china market. >> you've been doing it in a very carrot and stick approach there are 400 stocks but you're only including 200 looks like you want something from the chinese authorities what do you want to see from them >> to have the entire investment opportunity included, investors and ourselves are expecting to see more activity in the mainland china market. that's why we are moving slowly and in sequential steps to make sure that the activity is good enough. >> i know you've had issues with the trading laws there you're trying to make sure it's easier to get money into and out of the country are you sure chinese authorities are going to do what you need. obviously if they don't, you're not going to put more money in. >> it shows a huge commitment in opening up the market. if the momentum continues, we are quite sure it's going to work. >> right now china is 27% of the emerging market index. at inclusion it's going 47 something? >> that's right. >> bottom line, you own international indexes you're going to own a lot more in china. here's the guys in charge. sebastian, thank you very much >> back to ou. >> important story, bob. thank you very much. rick santelli and the cme group in chicago rick >> good morning, carl. you know, when i look up at the treasury complex we always get a nice little move coming into our time zone. looking to our 10 year note. we're up a basis point or two. if you look at the week chart, we are just basically hovering at what is below yield close from last year, the 14, at two twelve two twelve and a half if you want a sharp pencil. by the nature it's holding doesn't mean it can't bounce and leave the 2.12 in half when you take the sovereign and fixed income and all the spreads, it really defies the notion that we're not going to slowly drift and test that time will tell look at one week of boons. you see that drift i'm talking about. open the chart up to november for 30-year bonds. they are kind of a lazy maturity on the curve it's he have department by fives to 30s even flatter in terms of this historical comp, the 2s, the 10s. today's no exception all the other maturities are up, highly unchanged switch gears to foreign exchange the dollar index, it popped a little bitfor our time zone as well one week of that chart certainly reveals it is a much steeper angle trying to get a nice bounce off those low 96 handle moves. we're getting close to 98. timely open the chart up, pound versus dollar before brexit, a lot of people talk about the influence, brexit. i certainly don't see anything out at me on the calm trading range of the pound especially after that june 16th brexit move carl, jim, david in motown, back to you. >> rick, thank you very much speaking of calm, overall markets basically unchanged although barbell by intel and nike on the dow. we'll get more exclusive with jack ma in a moment. i love how usaa gives me the peace of mind and the security just like the marines did. at one point, i did change to a different company with car insurance, and i was not happy with the customer service. we have switched back over and we feel like we're back home now. the process through usaa is so effortless, that you feel like you're a part of the family. i love that i can pass the membership to my children, and that they can be protected. we're the williams family, and we're usaa members for life. call usaa today to talk about your insurance needs. we cut the price of trades to give investors even more value. and at $4.95, you can trade with a clear advantage. fidelity, where smarter investors will always be. and at $4.95, you can trade with a clear advantage. welcome to holiday inn! ♪ ♪ whether for big meetings or little getaways, there are always smiles ahead at holiday inn. ♪ ♪ i'm david faber here in detroit. welcome back to "squawk on the street." we're here at the gateway '17 conference alibaba's effort to entice u.s. businesses to sell into china using the alibaba platform all of this a promise that jack ma made to president trump to create as many as a million jobs you can imagine that that, of course, got the attention of the president and potentially shines a positive light on alibaba even though, of course, some people believe given it's china that it might be more of a contentious relationship i did ask mr. ma in an interview that we conducted a short time ago how he actually plans to really get to that million job number >> we created more than 33 million jobs for china, and we believe that even one online shop can create at least 1 million jobs. >> it's an enormous number how would that work? >> we already did a lot of things for american creating jobs in the past 18 years when we do the b2b. even in california the more than 20,000 small business using alibaba platform to sell their product across the board, to buy product from all sides and assembling them, packaging them, already create a lot of jobs we prove the model we prove this model in the other countries, too >> apples grown in washington state -- >> but it has to be more than apples and cherries. >> june 18th we had a small promotion. in less than 15 minutes we sold 2 million lipsticks. we think this is the demand. by the way, after 30 years the domestic consumptions of the united states drive the global economy and drive -- supported so many small business in america -- in china to sell things globally. today the next 30 years the domestic demanding power of china is going to drive millions and millions of small business globally >> it has turned, but that economy we're waiting for is still in process the chinese process is still an export driven economy, not a consumption driven economy. >> no, china is changing china is going to import $8 trillion in the next five years. china knows very well china has to buy because, as i said, 300 million middle class they need high quality products. high quality services. >> that's the pitch from jack ma, of course, as he sees again relating to our earlier conversation that we shared, a globalized world in which small businesses benefit, guys. >> wow i've got to tell you, i'm a believer count me as a believer i cannot believe how many people that put in the work, david. that's the government. he's right that's the government. other than china, that would be the biggest works in progress administration in history, wouldn't it be >> yeah. i mean, listen, they're talking about their $550 billion in gmd that they had over the last year, jim, comparing it to i think the argentinian economy, 21st in the world, but their hope is that within i guess, what, 20 years or so that they will be number five in the world. that's what jack is talking about, that their gmd will be at a level that places them just after the u.s., china, europe and japan in terms of the total size of what he calls, it's interesting you use that word, an economy that's how he refers to his company now, as an economy >> well, it could be instead of the united states and china, it could be amazon and alibaba. >> it's a battle of giants. >> wouldn't it be great for commerce >> jim, let's get to stop trading. >> no one's even focused anymore about adobe. that's last night's news i have champion and/or rye on. adobe had 27% growth this is a multibillion dollar company. the all encompassing 60 billion total adjustable mobile is incredible the world is using their products, germany and japan in particular i think this is a company that when the smoke clears and we stop being so negative is going much higher because adobe is the ecommerce way. it's the most pure ecommerce play out there now. >> we didn't get a chance to hear what jimmy told you last night on "mad money" from ibm. en jie >> she feels the company is on a course to reinvent the cloud, do great artificial intelligence. the problem here is unlike all of the pure cloud companies, she has a gigantic incumbent business that she has to transition they're moving forward but they have a little manacle to her leg. she's much more positive i mention. >> jim with rometty last night. >> we traded publicly 100 years out there and the trick to being a company in tech, which is a viciously competitive environment, that's actually right, is you've got to keep re-inventing what ibm is for is for someone who values high value as a company. >> can you speak to us about that that's to me, you had almost 4% yield nkts yes. >> fabulous balance sheet. >> yes. >> generating gigantic cash. >> i don't understand why he did so >> i let every investor speak for themselves i'm very appreciative of all of our investors there. >> well, warren is still an investor he talked about the competition like she did ibm has reinvented itself multiple times it's doing it again. with that yield and that growth path, it's going to be successful it sure hasn't yet, to be candid, because the stock is not up since she took office. >> how about tonight >> tonight i've got adobe which is one of the hottest stocks it's on the nasdaq i have red hat which is the stock that is up the most right now and i have suntrust which is a fantastic bank doing so much on the web, doing great things, but nobody cares because my dog is where the hot money is. nvidia and amd, people at home, nvidia, amd, there are other stocks in the market >> so just real quick, if you were running your farm would you be shorting here >> no. no short the market >> short nvidia? >> no. it's too great i'm just saying that people have to recognize that adobe just reported a great quarter red hat was great. they should spread the love over more than just two stocks. there's a lot of love. come on, there's some love show love to other stocks. >> jim, we'll see you tonight. "mad money", 6:00 p.m. eastern time got a lot of good work done. david will continue in the next hour more reaction to travis kalanick stepping down as the ceo of uber we'll go bacto drok etit where david will talk to martha stewart. dow is down 9 points to start this wednesday don't go away. good wednesday morning welcome back to "squawk on the street" with sara eisen at post 9. david faber is with us from alibaba's gateway '17 event in detroit. take a look at the markets pretty muted action. dow is basically unchanged big movers in nike, intel and we're watching the ceo transition over at uber as well. >> our roadmap starts with travis kalanick out at uber. the ceo stepping down. we'll have the details and what's in store for the company next straight ahead. man versus machine alibaba's founder jack ma sitting down what he has to say about the future of the work force and artificial intelligence. renewed push for tax reform. will it happen before the end of the year how will it affect investors. time forexisting home sales. let's get to diana olick. >> existing home sales up 1.1% that's a slightly upwardly revised figure of 5.56 sales are now up 2.7% year over year that's a beat. the street was looking for a very slight drop, but the real headline here is the median existing home price in may, $252,800, up 5.8% year over year that is an all time high on the realtor's report it is easily double the growth of wage growth why are prices so high inventory. it's down 8.4% year over year to a 4.2 month supply 6 months is considered a balanced market between buyer and seller we're not seeing any letup in the inventory. in some markets we are seeing a housing crisis due to the shortage of homes for sale because of that shortage, you're seeing homes fly off the shelves. days on market, 27 days to sell a home in some of the hotter markets you're looking at barely a week to sell a home single family sales up 1%. condo sales up 1.6%. the first-time buyer that we continue to look for should be between 40 and 45% of the market down to 33%. again, high prices keeping buyers on the sidelines. back to you. >> diana, thank you for that diana olick. switching to uber. ceo travis kalanick stepping down take a listen to uber board member arianna huffington talking about the uber culture when we spoke to her earlier this month. >> the numbers released yesterday showed that out of 215 complaints, 122 are not corroborated 47 were about sexual harassment. so it all depends on your definition of disturbing, but what matters and what my commitment as the only woman board member is is to take that number and reduce it to zero >> for more this morning we're joined by former metronics ceo and jeff sonnenfeld. >> controversy, jeff, around kalanick is not new. why do we think the board acted now? >> i think now they recognize that with his future uncertain, recruiting a chief operating officer with five players of unknowns around makes this a very hard job to staff running the company as a committee of 14, find a town square or a village anywhere that has a statute of 14 people on the committee they need some bold leadership in there with kalanick's uncertain return, this was too confusing and, you know, you have a leadership vacuum with 20 key positions from the head of engineering, cfo, everything out there, general counsel, communications wide open they just need somebody to start to give this place some direction. i think the bereavement is genuine. i think he's very close to his mother horrible tragedy really important his dad needs him. i think it's absolutely the right move, but even this board has plenty of uncertainty. apparently disaffection on the board. they have problems in the governance model, the operating syste systems. they need directions. >> you raise an interesting question about the board which we'll get to bill, wanted to get your take. do you think this was the right move having him step down? >> absolutely. i think jeff's right often what you have is chaos, and travis is a brilliant entrepreneur i met with him a couple of years ago, but it was clear they were headed for trouble by being at war with all of their external constituency they've create the a bro culture. my business partner has gone in to straighten that out and bring some of her brilliance in service. but i think right now they need a stable leader. look what eric schmidt did for google look what sharyl sandberg has done for mark zuckerberg i disagree with jim cramer larry page and mark zuckerberg are not at war with the world. they need a strong leader, john donohu now with service now. he did such a great job at ebay or somebody like tom segs at disney it has enormous potential. i think with the self-driving cars, ride sharing, this potential is unlimited we need an executive that can take it to the next level. by the way, it wasn't really the board that acted this is a -- travis had control. he had to agree with the investors. to his credit, he did so he still controls well over half of the voting shares, but i think he recognizes it's time for a change i have great empathy for him and what he's going through personally, but there's a lot of issues in his life jeff's right, you can't have a company without leadership it's time for a very strong entrepreneurial leader. >> we're going to be on the lookout for "the new york times" reporting some of -- >> there is such a person. >> phil mentioned a couple of candidates i haven't heard saggs name. >> i would say mark field. there's nobody on the planet, including eli musk and jeff bezos that understand new global technologies mark as the intelligent consumer about this the open secret is in january of 2016, a year and five months ago, larry page and sergei brinn pulled out with a great adventure with ford. that left ford flat footed mark went out there and hired these people there's nobody more on top of all of this. mark had brought in ford several years back to back relationships. >> jeff, just on the sales point. wasn't the narrative that he left because he didn't bring ford up to speed on technology fast enough? so you're disputing that >> well, yeah. it's completely wrong narrative. the issue had to do with the family and board dynamics and the fact that the stock wasn't soaring. we had wealth dilution and bill ford's ambivalence about what roles and titles he wants in his life. that's where it was going on this was really good times for ford and they lost the -- i'm sorry, bill, the thing had dissolved with google. they had ramped up mark is on the front tier far more than anybody else. >> i agree with jeff completely on that. i think it's a very good point fields would be an outstanding point. i think he got kind of a raw year you can't remake a company like ford in two years. >> malalick. >> or bill george. bill, you would be great they need adult supervision like bill george. that's what mark zuckerberg did and mike dell. they learned from senior people like bill george you would be fantastic. >> guys, let me pivot the conversation just slightly here. bill, does this episode change the thinking in what we all believe a disrupter needs to be, disruptive ceo innichanging industry do they need to be nice? >> no, it's not a question, nice or not nice. you have to be strong and visionary like a zuckerberg or page you don't have to be at war with the world. i think travis is modeling himself after steve jobs steve had tim there. you have to get all of these things right they were at war with too many external constituencies. i can see that three years ago i'm glad it finally happened, but you also -- i'd also like to comment on this bro culture that's too prevalent in silicon valley we need more balance there are so many talented women. we need to create a culture that's appealing to everyone that's why frances fry is going to be so critical in this organization to get that straight right away. until you do, great people won't work there >> just to build on that, jeff, wondering if there is some inflection point for silicon valley over all? there have been corporate governance issues over founder control. this was an investor led revolt, jeff does this empower investors more in silicon valley? will they get more voting shares as we still ponder whether uber is headed towards an ipo >> we have three people. i think to bill's point about travis kalanick's control. while he doesn't have that complete control himself with two others, his first employee and co-founder, they have more than 40% control i don't know that this is going to shake that model. mark zuckerberg and of course jack mao, you featured him they both are coes for life. if you read them their registration documents, they can't be moved they did ma sure i was very critical of mark zuckerberg's early role with the hoodie on. didn't mind getting enormously wealthy and he's transformed himself. jack ma who you featured, look how jack ma is a disrupter without being obnoxious. >> sure. >> he's worked so hard he's been able to deal so well with the chinese it's -- they've had servers shut down jack ma has better relations with the parties and not to mention his relationship with trump and -- >> real quick. >> quick comment about the potential for uber i think the world today is create your own job, not send out resumes looking for a job from somebody else that's what jack ma is talking about and that's what uber is doing. we have to make sure all of those people as uber drivers are great representatives of uber, but i think -- >> a lot of them -- >> doing it much more broadly and helping people create their own jobs. >> a lot of them drive for lyft. >> i love these harvard showdowns that we have. >> you guys need a show. >> thanks a lot. we'll see you next time. >> thank you when we come back, alibaba, speaking of alibaba, founder and executive director speaking with david faber. plus media mogul martha stewart joins david in detroit you won't want to miss that conversation tech is outperforming. it's one of the three groups higher along with health care and discretionary. that just dipped into negative territory. we'll be right back. 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what does that mean? >> well, you will see that some people because knowledge is not enough the wisdom is enough enough. so the new way of coming, the job has been taken away. some people who catch up the way will be rich, will be more successful some people will be more painful. the government, you know, the world is going to be dated the people will know -- have more data than the bosses. >> you have a lot of data at alibaba, don't you >> yeah, we do. >> how are you focused on creating and obtaining more of it >> i think it's just the beginning of the data period we think data is going to be so important to human life in the future compared to tomorrow, our data is nothing tomorrow i.o.t., internet of things, everything connected. >> billions upon billions of devices connect. >> we think we are a big data company today. that was compared to yesterday compared to tomorrow we are nothing. >> well, what will it let you do having accessto that data as i accumulates more and more? what will it allow to you do >> to improve people's lives, to improve the machines, to make sure the machine can do better job to support human beings instead of machine doing better job to cure human jobs we don't know how data really can make money today, but we know we have to protect the security of the data, the privacy of the data and when we know one day the data will empower the human beings. >> you know a lot about your customers already, i would assume they spend a lot of time on the platform, 25 minutes a day. >> yeah. >> seven times a day. >> yeah. yeah >> many of them are younger. >> yeah. >> using your mobile device. >> yeah. >> that's just the tip of the iceberg? >> yeah, this is just the beginning. today's data is like 100 years ago. people think about electricity is the light, but they never thought 100 years later we have a refrig, washing machine, everything using electricity data, we have to believe our kids will be much smarter than us using the data. >> but you don't believe all of that data when used with artificial intelligence will create wisdom? >> no. >> you don't >> no. wisdom is from heart the machine intelligence is about the brain. brain is about the now knowledge. you can always make machine to learn the knowledge but it is difficult for machine to have human heart. >> so, carl, sarah, we've got that going for us. we have wisdom, yes. yes. >> we're going to beat the machines no, i thought that was very encouraging even though he does expect it to be painful. david, speaking of data, i -- i was on set yesterday during closing belle when you talked to josi of alibaba. the conversation turned toward why groceries were so appealing in light of the amazon whole foods deal and the sort of search for a high frequency data i'm wondering if you're hearing more about that there at the conference and what the chatter is, what the alibaba strategy is around that. >> you know, they were early in grocery. earlier than amazon. even though you wonder, their investors would like more clarity if they move more strongly into that area. but there is a believe, sarah, that there is a way, they call it new retail at alibaba, a way to own brick and mortar and repurpose some of the store for fulfillment in a way that turns it so taking some of the store and using it for that. i would suspect they're going to continue to move into that area. as you heard mr. sai yesterday applauded amazon he said it makes a great deal of sense to him kind of a new world here that we're talking about. >> yeah. you wonder where all of these old school industries are going to go. david, thank you we'll see you in a bit with more of your conversation with jack ma we're going to talk about the big push for tax reform. speaker paul ryan renewing his call for overall before the end of the year. will it actually happen? 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i think this election should let them segue to finish up the health care bill in the senate and then the all important tax cut. what voters want and what businesses are looking for is a pro growth agenda. cut the rates, change the territorial system so that we can compete around the world and you've promised for six elections, the economics shows the jobs will be created, economy will boom once again they've got to come together and get the job done and finish it up by the end of this year frankly. >> terry, are you a little more optimistic on the legislative calendar than you were, say, 48 hours ago? >> yes, for a variety of reasons. good morning, carl, sarah, david who's an old friend. yes, for a variety of reasons. we've had encouraging remarks from speaker ryan, vice president pence, secretary mnuchin on this. what you've seen combined with the georgia results is a series of small events that combine to show that there's some real resolve here and some desire to finish it up our view is tax reform is 60 to 65%. it's the first or second quarter of '18 today i think the sweet spot is the first quarter of '18 it is entirely possible as former senator mcintosh knows to get this going sooner. >> how do you game out the exact probabilities of health care when so far the senate's version has been very secret senate leader mitch mcconnell has held it close to his vest. yes, we're supposed to get something, hopefully as soon as tomorrow, but how do you game out the probability without knowing whether all the factions within the republican party can get on it? >> i game out the probability because majority leader mcconnell has been telling his fellow senators that failure is not an option here and the majority leader has no ability to dictate a result in the senate, of course, but i think that these folks are galvanized and that they understand the ability to finish up the affordable care act frankly is the first step in a process that gets us to tax reform and gets us to that pro growth agenda that david mentioned. >> david, do you agree that it has to go through health care? there's no detour around it in this case? >> no, among other things there's a big cut in the health care appeal. that will further stimulate the market, investment and pro growth opportunities in the country. we did some polling on this. it's binary. if the republicans pass an appeal, they can go on offense if they fail, they'll stay home in 2018. i think terry's called it right. mcconnell has said failure is not an option. we have to get it done >> let's say we get through a vote next week does border adjustment remain an obstacle to consensus or not >> it is i think it's probably the biggest obstacle right now it's been floating out there for about a year >> speaker ryan did not mention it yesterday in his major speech. >> i was glad that the speaker stopped talking about it chairman brady still mentions it you can tell that it was losing ground when he said maybe we'll have to phase it in. the best thing for them is to drop it, bury it, give it a nice funeral and get on with the real pro growth tax elements in their bill they've got very good rate cuts moving to a territorial system the expensing provision. one of the things we've proposed is do a 25-year budget window. that lets you get stability and certainty for the markets about a lower tax regime that will increase investment and create jobs >> we'll see what happens. july 4th recess end of next week we'll see if they can get a health care vote by then thank you both >> great to be with you. let's get over to contessa brewer, get a news update at this hour. >> hi there, carl. queen elizabeth has outlined the government's legislative program in a speech to parliament following prime minister theresa may slimming down her plans and promising humility in negotiating brittain's exit from the european union >> my government's priority is to secure the best possible deal as the country leaves the european union my ministers are committed to working with parliament to devolve administrations, business and others to build the widest possible consensus on the country's future outside the european union >> prince philip was admitted to a hospital overnight for treatment of an infection. buckingham palace says it was a precautionary measure and that he's in good spirits the prince is 96 years old and has suffered heart ailment in the past. firefighters continue to battle portugal's deadliest fire which has killed 64 people so far. the fast-moving fire started saturday killing many people in their cars as they tried to flee the flames that's the cnbc news update for this hour. back to you, carl. >> thank you very much, contessa getting some inventory numbers let's get to jackie deangeles with numbers. >> these numbers are interesting. we had a draw down in crude of 2.5 million barrels. a slight draw on gasoline. little bit more than half a million barrels. disti distillates of more than a million. the gains are capped even the draw downs that we got were not as steep as they could be at this time of the year, and that's what people are really focusing on. i will say this, another weather storm brewing in the gulf as well traders are saying they're watching that closely to make sure it doesn't become a disturbance. we certainly are supported here, but that's not to say that certain folks don't think we could see that three handle. right now we're trading at 43.87, a little bit higher than where we were when the report came out. >> jackie, thank you very much. when we come back uber ceo travis kalanick is out and veeps executive producer tells us where he gets some of his comedic inspiration from. >> in the trump white house, the best source of comedic material? >> look, it's like having the marx brothers and "the three stooges," i don't know, ucb, saturd"saturday night live" all combined it's hard to top the headliner, the president, but given a money by both mike pence and shaun spicer i'll say. >> will you ever let a real politician on veep >> no. >> you can catch the entire new season of "binge" on cnbc. the big story of the morning, uber ceo travis kalanick resigning from the company that he co-founded our deidre bosa joins us now was this bound to happen >> you know, some say the writing was on the wall. as you know, travis controls the board. somebody may have survived this. it's going to be left up to a management committee of more than 10 employees. it includes, as you know, a very long list of empty positions after the exodus it's not just kalanick, it's uber's chief deal maker, amir michael. jeff jones we couldn't fit them all on the graphic. the question now though is what does an uber 2.0 world look like and one where we will not have a travis 2.0 lrunning the company. that is what competitors are trying to figure out lyft for its part has not been sitting back watching the debacle. it's been raising money, signing more partners with the likes of waymo, jaguar, delta it is gaining ground in terms of market share as for the vc community which has pretty much thrown money at uber over the years, some of the people say uber's shakeup could make other startups, particularly in silicon valley, think about what internal governance, what internal controls they have particularly as they grow >> deidre, thank you very much covering the uber story out west. when we come back, media mogul martha stewart is with us. we'll get her take on content, meal kits, her cooking show with snoop dogg and more. dow is really stubbornly near the flat line up one point we're back in a minute whoever threw it has to go get it. not me! somebody will get it... ♪ (dog barking) anyone can dream. making it a reality is the hard part. from the b-2 to the upcoming b-21, northrop grumman stealth bombers give america an advantage in a turbulent world. and we're looking for a few dreamers to join us. 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so, yes, i do believe that he can do that. and we are big exporters of product here in america. we just need to make more product. we gave a lot of our products -- all our manufacturing away in the last 50 years because labor was cheaper elsewhere. >> seems to be. >> well, the tables are turning because now china has -- the per capita income is growing so they would like to see and they would like to have american made product. >> right so whats -- you just addressed the crowd here, about 3,000 people here. >> yeah, great ougaudience. >> what's the main message you're trying to get across? >> the main message i am encouraging american makers to sell via alibaba's amazing platform to elsewhere in the world. >> you've done it through the macy's. >> yeah. >> but it's early days >> well, for american makers it's early days. >> yes, of course. >> but it isn't for other people in shanghai we saw a huge number of european makers, a huge number of makers from elsewhere in the world selling on alibaba. i mean, they are selling $550 billion worth of goods. >> oh, no, there's no doubt. >> all over the world. >> most of it is small businesses in china selling to other chinese. it's not necessarily fully international. >> i think it's time to pay attention to the immense growth that's going on over there >> yeah. well, there is no doubt as they become more of a consumer. let me ask you a few things about you these days you've got a meal delivery business >> oh, yeah, martha and marley it's meal delivery we are on amazon you can buy individual meals on amazon prime. >> do you have to cook them? >> yeah. yeah yeah. >> blue apron filed to go public. >> i know, how exciting. >> i don't understand the economics of the business. >> right now -- >> how do you get to generating cash flow. the expense of the delivery, the packaging takes a long time to cook. >> our meals, and they're based on martha stewart recipes, tried and true recipes, delicious recipes, our meal's about $9.80 per person per meal. it's a lot less expensive than going out to any restaurant, even fast food restaurants you are not only learning how to cook if you don't cook already, you are getting exactly the amount of ingredients you need you're learning exotic foods, too, because we have a lot of international kinds of meals and it eliminates such a tremendous amount of waste. if you think of how much waste there is in an ordinary household, but even more importantly in all the grocery stores. >> right. >> you know, the grocery stores, you put outlet tuss, for example, they put out tons of lettuce to have that beautiful display. >> a lot of it goes to waste. >> about 50% goes to waste. >> portion sizes all right i triedapron, it was not enough food for my kids. >> try martha stewart's. >> it's more >> with jeff bezos buying whole foods, you'll see meal kits being sold through whole foods, for example. it's a nice way to utilize what is being sold in bulk in grocery stores and exact quantities for the homemaker. it saves you time, too >> let me finally ask you something given your experience, your long experience, relevant for so long as well, i mean, people are coming up to them -- look at them all taking pictures of you what would you tell travis kapernick right now. he still controls the business -- >> he's staying on the board his mother just died >> tragically. >> the guy has gone through some crap and he needs some time off he needs to think through the techniques. >> the fundounder-led ceo -- >> i had the lead for five months, and guess what my company was as strong and tight when i came back and that's because people, the customers really want the product. and i think the customers will really want to continue with uber if they can straighten out the few difficulties that they've had. is i think it's a service that is a very brilliant service. the idea of it is brilliant. he's brilliant he just has to take some time and rethink. >> all right martha, we appreciate you stopping by, thank you >> thanks, dave. >> martha stewart, back to you >> i like that with opinions on all the stories we cover here today, david thanks now a look at what is coming up next on "squawk alley." >> we'll cover the uber question from all angles. is there a signal here for the rest of the control from uber? 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