sense. we're up right now. the nasdaq at this hour with a gain of three quarters of a percent, and the s&p 500 is up 10 points at 1318. >> i want to show you jpmorgan shares today. mr. dimon is going to be explaining the trading debacle to lawmakers that cost his firm between $2 and $5 billion dollars. we'll have the latest tomorrow. i hope you will catch my interviews with the senate committee members that will be grilling mr. dimon and other guests tomorrow. >> in the meantime, it's good news out of europe, stocks fall, equities rally, so what's going on right now. >> let's get some inside on where trader's heads are at. let me begin right there with you michael, what kind of second half are you expecting? a good rally but is this sustainable? >> no, i maintain my sort positions. charles evans said today he would do some dance and stomp his feet and do everything he can to bring about qe 3 on june 20th, and that's the only solution they have. what they asked the italians to do was borrow in the free market which is $6.21% and loan money to another nation, spain, and get 3% maybe. that's not going to work. that's why you saw cds and the bond yields blow out today. >> spanish yields hit record highs earlier today. any other time that would have been cause for alarm on wall street but it's not the case today. >> it's interesting. a lot of people this morning sited the late morning rally of a banking union. i think spain didn't move yesterday on the bailout, but the german banking officials have been out trying to explain this. people think it will make a difference. the germans are just not going for it. they came out a few moments ago saying it's not the way out. they're going to try to fight this the whole way. >> bob and maria, i want to add one thing, this is not a banking crisis. in 2008 the u.s. bailed out our banking situation. we have a 60% debt to gdp ratio. they are 90%. they cannot ask now to borrow more money to loan to banks. >> they have to case capital so how will they do that. >> i assume if the chinese don't do it it will have to be the ecb. and then you look at that inflation and higher yields in the long run. when you owe more money than you can ever possibly pay back, you must default on that debt, and you should do it explicitly and not through the central bank. >> rick santelli, i know you must be itching to jump in on something like that. >> when it comes to europe, can if you're being frank, there is two ways to go. you let them default and hit a reset button, and that may be the best solution for a country like greece, it's not necessarily the best solution for italy. in spain there is no solution in my opinion. it's real estate, what could they do? i have heard gold come up more and more, and i did a spot on it as well. just consider, they have 2400 tons of gold in italy. that would have a street value of $123 billion. why don't they do a little security on the fixed income side. >> the italians need to hold on to their gold with both hands, it's the best thing they can do. >> why, it's collecting dust, europe is sinking in the water. >> are you advocating a quasi gold standard there? >> i'm thinking yes, do it in terms of the bonds. put a portion of the bonds backed by gold and investors -- >> those bonds not backed by gold will just crater in value. >> they're cratering now! >> is anybody out there embracing free markets? what's wrong with having the free market work here. let's let what's going to happen, happen. >> you tell me a single politician that would allow the free markets work and expect to be reelected. why would they let it work. >> you nailed it. >> rick santelli said we should run congress like jury duty. you go there for two years and then throw them out. serve your country and then go home. >> if only it was that easy, right? >> if only it was that easy. >> thanks, guys. we're in the final stretch, about 50 minutes until the market closes. it's moving up about 121 right now. >> we're not done, stick around we have heavy hitters still to come on "closing bell." up next jim rogers gives us his play book for euro-proofing your portfolio. how can del stay relevant now that apple is king of the hill? looking for a better place to put your cash? here's one you may not have thought of -- fidelity. now you don't have to go to a bank to get the things you want from a bank, like no-fee atms, all over the world. free checkwriting and mobile deposits. now depositing a check is as easy as taking a picture. free online bill payments. a highly acclaimed credit card with 2% cash back into your fidelity account. open a fidelity cash management account today and discover another reason serious investors are choosing fidelity. 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[ male announcer ] send money from one bank account to another, with citibank popmoney. easier banking. every step of the way. welcome back, our next guest says bailouts do not work and greece, spain, and any other nation on the rope should be allowed to go bankrupt. >> guess who said that? no one else be jim rogers, back in the country. how would that work though? as you said yesterday, just let them go bankrupt, smart money will come pick the pieces up. >> new york city went bankrupt, mississippi it once, detroit is bankrupt, the world didn't end. you reorganize and start over. it's been happening, there's nothing new. you know who loses money? the bondholders and the bankers. the whole world remembers that, right? >> and that was wonderful they let lehman brothers to bankrupt. >> how do you protect your money? >> how does an investor? >> yes, if this contagion spreads, we see some of the countries go bankrupt, and the implications are global market selloff. >> sell stocks. i'm short because i think there will be more problems in world economy in the next year or two. they're making the situation worse. maria, too much debt does not solve the problem with more debt. >> tell us your scenario, what do owe see happening? >> i see more bailouts, more debt, the world goes into a recession and economic slow down, it will be worse in 2014. we had a recession in 2002, 2007 and 2008 the recession was worse because the debt was higher. the recession is going to be worse, this is not going to be fun. they're getting us all into a terrible, terrible situation. and to bail out some european banks instead of making them take their losses, their trying to win elections. >> they're all down too much. i'm short european indexes, but the banks are down too much. >> so the valuations there, would you be buying them? >> no. banking industry in the west, anyway, has serious problems that will not be resolved for a long time. >> let's go on to other areas where you could possibly invest. let's talk about oil. donald trump was on "squawk box" this morning. he has a theory why oil is where it is today. he thinks it would be higher if it wasn't for what saudis are doing for president obama. >> i think he's saying do me a favor, i have to get reelected, you can't keep doing what you've been doing and driving it up. assuming obama got elected, you will see something with oil like you have never seen before. it will go through the roof. >> i think you agree on the price, but the reasons why -- >> i don't take my advice from mr. trump i'm sorry to say. >> the price of oil may go down for awhile, china and india are slowing down, but he is exactly right. over the decade the price of oil will go through the roof. the surprise will be how high it stays and how high it goes. it could go to 70 in the meantime, but if it does, you should buy a lot of oil. >> given the supply, should oil prices be where they are right here? >> maria, the international energy agency are saying we're running out of oil. we have a lot of sheal oil, but everyone else has declining reserves. i don't like saying it, but unless someone finds a lot quickly we'll have higher prices. >> what about natural gas then? we have a oversupply now, but if we find ways to convert to natural gas and use that instead here in the united states especially, what would that do? >> the bull market and commodities will come to an end some day, what you just said may be the solution, but some day is still a long way away. >> my question really implies would you invest in natural gas right now at these low levels anticipating a higher price. >> if i had to buy energy today it would be natural gas. >> are there any stocks you would buy today? >> not that i can think of. i know it's cnbc. for the most part i'm short stocks. >> what would it take to change that position? >> if stocks collapsed around the world i would buy a lot of stocks again. but i don't see that happening. i told you the economy will be bad next year. why buy stocks in the face of something like that? >> you're just back from china. you're the man, who years ago, was talking about a china as a great investment longer term. we're witnessing a tran sis for them. they're economy is slowing down, they just cut rates, you're just getting back, how are they dealing with it right now? >> the chinese have been right to cool things off, they have been for three years. i would stay tight and keep it tighter until the inflation has demolished. but i don't have to answer to mobs in the street in china. they think they need to loosen up now and they seem to be loosening up. >> in terms of the demand story, what do you see in terms of the slow down? >> the slow down in china is still a boom everywhere else in the world. >> we'll take 8% here. >> yeah, we'll take 4% here. >> so you think the commodity story is still in place? >> yes, if everything collapses next year, hopefully my shorts will protect me because commodities will go down too. >> back here the anticipation is the fed wills come in with more bond buys and qe 3 they're talking about. i know you don't like it, but is it a necessity at this point to keep the economy from dipping too far into the recession. >> spending more money is not good for anybody. you, the viewers, our children, or anybody else. it's bad for america and the world. it may get mr. obama through the election, but bill, i'm here for longer than just november of 2012, this is not good for the world. >> i don't care whether mr. obama is elected. i know your neutral, but i don't care. >> what are the implications of printing money? >> it's the basement of the currency, weak currency, turmoil, inflation, higher interest rates. maybe it's different this time -- >> do you think obama wins or no? i know you don't care. >> i would bet he will win because it's difficult to unseat a sitting president. the republicans have only done it once, he will spend a lot of money in the right states. mr. bernanke is printing a lot of the money. >> will the market sell off giving the tax situation? >> he only has to get through november, next year will be bad, they will raise taxes next year, there are many reasons next year will be bad. >> you're waiting to buy gold? >> if it goes downly buy more and you should too. i know you're not allowed to, but i can. >> great to have you on the program. >> thanks for joining us. >> the dow is up 122 points. >> since news of the big trading loss brook, some say the stock is right here, we're talking jpmorgan next. and it will not be a good day for jamie dimon tomorrow. we want your thoughts on tomorrow's capitol hill questions of mr. dimon. give us your thoughts. tweet us. jimmy is just now rushing to his computer so he can tweet us. we'll get your responses later in the program. a rally in u.s. oil prices helped the energy sector today. a different story overseas though isn't it? >> differently, i love your attention to detail. it is a mixed picture here. we have slightly higher pictures for wti crude. we had a settlement low for present crude in this session, and that continues to be under pressure. we are looking at oil prices for gasoline demand according to the latest report. it was down 3.5% last week over the same period a year ago. we're continuing to see greater decline year over year in gas demand and prices at the pump fall slightly. we're continuing to watch that and a lot of news that could effect oil price direction. we have the agency's monthly report tomorrow, and opec on thursday. >> thank you, here is jpmorgan today on the upside. it is getting a good bid today on wall street trading higher ahead of a court day tomorrow for the company and the ceo of course. jamie dimon has the senate testimony. since the loss first broke -- list tyke out what the numbers are saying. we have ennis tanner here. and marty mosby is for us. thank you for joining us, we'll kick it off with ennis. >> what's interesting is what happens with goldman sachs in the doj investigation into the advocacy situation. this is when you have the announcement and this is what happened with jpmorgan more recently in may of this year. you see that the falls have resembled each other after the moves, so in goldman sachs case it for more than 14%. if we go to a five year chart, you see jpmorgan is close here. i think goldman sachs since that investigation is down an additional 30%. i think jpmorgan because of the lawmaker scrutiny will follow a similar path. >> goldman sachs is different than the jpmorgan trading loss. >> i think it will clamp down on the proprietary trading. i think that's going to be paired back and hit it's earnings power. >> so you're a seller right here? >> yes. >> what should we be focused on the testimony tomorrow? >> we should be looking for the division between this issue on the hedging side, and the complexity of these larger banks and do begin to break them up. as long as it focuses on the hedge issue, we will see that trade out of the stock price, and while we might see sort term technical pressure, this issue will be resolved and we'll see upside potential. >> so you think the near term could be vulnerable, but longer term you see this is a bargain. >> yes, we see about 10% downside and then after we go through that process, we get back to the earnings level, being able to generate excess return to the capital costs they have which would be a 20% premium and seeing growth in tangible premium and you will be able to repurchase shares again. >> thank you so much, if this stock goes lower over the near term. thank you, join us tomorrow for a special show. we're coming to you live from the capital where mr. dimon faces those questioners. several of those questioning him will be with me. i will also be talking with the always outspoken senator from virginia, bernie sanders, he has a lot to say and will be vetting it here. that's tomorrow for "closing bell live." heading towards the close, facebook still well below that $38 ipo price of a few weeks ago. now a new study commissioned in part by facebook suggest that advertisers get a big bang for their buck on facebook. and was goldman sachs saying even the threat of driving off the fiscal cliff is already hurting the economy? 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