Her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although, Second Amendment people, maybe there is, i dont know. Mark trump and his Campaign Still say they are talking about voter mobilization. While some republicans, including the former Campaign Manager and speaker of the house, paul ryan, are going with a different point, that the whole thing was just a joke gone bad. Head heres what donald trump had to say. Rigtrump a big part of the the system is the press itself, because they can take a little story that isnt a story, and make it into a big deal. It happens so much. It happens so much. And speaking of that, remember this we have so many things we have to protect in this country. We have to protect our Second Amendment, which is under siege. [applause] mr. Trump remember that. It is under siege. Happens so much. It is under siege. Trump was still speaking at that rally, and Hillary Clinton weighed in at her own event in des moines, iowa. Mrs. Clinton words matter, my friends. [applause] mrs. Clinton and if you are running to be president , or you are president of the united states, words can have tremendous consequences. Yesterday, we witnessed the latest in a long line of casual comments from donald trump that crossed the line. His casual cruelty to a gold star family. His casual suggestion that more countries should have nuclear weapons. And now, his casual inciting violence. Every single one of these incidents shows us that donald trump simply does not have the temperament to be president and commander in chief of the united states. Mark two of the reasons the story is dominate in the news cycle many reporters are exquisite with dismissing the Campaign Position as an outright lie, and because some of those skeptical voices are coming from conservative twitter and the usually friendly fox news channel. Both the clinton and Trump Campaigns are trying to raise money off of this, and has it done any permanent damage to donald trump . Not as big as the Clinton Campaign thought yesterday. In part because the trump to its guns,k pardon the pun, and suggested he wasnt making a joke about it. If the secret Service Investigation leads somewhere, it will do more. I basically think this is yet another thing that will be still in the public imagination come the fall. If there are republicans, both voters and elites who want to abandon the trump, they will all be choosing from a menu. Susan collins chose his remarks about three different people. It is unthinkable could seize on. I dont think it is it is something people could seize on. I dont think it is causing major damage yet. We are brand position us. Right now, the negative brand position for trump is unstable. We also have an term called brand of support. This is one more support point. Mark thats where the negative is. Donny it in the list with the on the list with russians hiking into hillarys emails, its in with mccain not being a war hero. Now its probably support point number seven. It doesnt change the math, he could you one more tool to play with. Mark the press should not be biased, it should covered everything. But the reality is pressed plays favorites at time. Trump used to be the favorite, and now, the Clinton Campaign is Getting Better coverage. One reason this is bad for trump he is another big fight with the press. Liar,ess thinks he is a he is mad at the press for the way he is covering it. The more tension, the lower his chances of winning. Donny the press doesnt need him anymore. This was the story of a generation, and we are 90 days away from an election. I think the press i think the press by nature does lean more democratic. We know that, just to ars human beings. Just who they are as human beings. Arees a point where they going ok, we played the game and carried you to this point. But now, a little of that bias may be coming out. Tweeted therest is no meeting or conversation ever happened between the Civic Service and the Trump Campaign and the secret service and the Trump Campaign about what was said yesterday. Lets talk more about the bloombergpolitics national poll. Hillary clinton has maintained lead,f her postconvention besting him in the headtohead race. Clinton is leading with women, nonwhite voters, young and unmarried voters, as well as the collegeeducated. Trump is still up among white men with no college degrees. People 65 years old and older, evangelicals, married voters, and voters without college degrees. We should say in the fourway race, having a green Party Libertarian candidate, the deficit is only four points, much lower than recent National Polls as we get further away from the Democratic National convention. Supporters have fast different motivations for backing their favorite choice. 56 of clinton supporters say they are more proclinton that antitrump. Trump supporters are overwhelmingly more anticlinton then for the republican candidate. On these topline numbers, what is your biggest take away . Donny the biggest take away from the poll is that things have not changed much. If you aggregate all of the polls, i think 30 polls, the margin is about 7. 3. The bloomberg is a little on the lower side. Theres one thing i found adjusting, and im going to quote mark halperin. You said if trump doesnt win business, he doesnt win. 61 of people think hes doing worst, the perception of him as a businessman mark has gotten worse over time. Donny thats a very telling number. Mark obviously, he has to sell his business credentials. There have been stories pushed by the Clinton Campaign and the press that on their own. Looking at his business record. The convention, the revoking convention didnt rebuild that, although there were efforts at the convention to try and build that out. Bloomberg politics asked people about their opinions of president obama and the direction of the country. Half approved of the job the president is doing, yet 68 said the country is headed in the wrong direction. Almost half those likely voters said democrats were to blame, compared to 22 who said it was the republicans fault. 32 said they are not sure who to blame. Should democrats worry about that . It flies in the face of perception of the party in general. Mark it is a very strange mix, even as the paul blames the as the poll blames the democrats. Even if it has been overwhelmingly the case, they still think president obama is doing a good job, getting close to his highest number since the beginning of his presidency. I cant explain it. Donny i think it is a little bit at the end the economy is not in terrible shape. That being said, and he gave a great speech, the numbers are word were good before that. The one thing is temperament for president. How does a guy get elected if two out of three people do not think he has to the makeup for that office . Mark the president , even at his worst moment, his Approval Rating never got below 40 . He has gone from low 40s to mid 50s, recovering some people who voted for him. Who maybe had lost belief in him. He has had success in Foreign Policy and at home, but it is a problem for the Trump Campaign. When a guy who has more than half the country approving of the job he is doing, out there hitting the pavement for Hillary Clinton, it is a problem. Donny same numbers as ronald reagan. Mark finally, after donald trump come paint that some debates are scheduled on nights with nfl games, we asked likely voters which they would be more likely to watch on those evenings if the planned dates dont change football against the debates. 69 said the debate. Only 26 said they would choose the game. I would be professionally obligated to watch the debates. Which would you watch . Football versus the debates . Donny it depends on whether the jets are playing. They have all this technology now. Mark which would you watch live . Donny to all my fans in queens, they are going to be upset with me. I would be watching the debate. Mark picture in picture with the game . Donny those debates will be the biggest number since the moon landing. Mark i have said they will be the highly watched shows of all time, im getting less sure of that. They will be big, but i literally thought they would be the biggest tv event of all time. Im not sure thats true. Donny people dont consume tv that way over all. But certainly over the last 10 years. Mark when we come back, some Political Television history is made when two longtime rival republican consultants come together for the very first time. Right after this. There was famous mythology talk about the epic had field Hatfield Mccoy dispute. They are brought together by the force that can break down all walls, the specter of the orange giant himself. Donald trump is present. Im not out writing a tandem bicycle yet, but its good to put the feud behind us. Maziethat was mark murphy mark murphy. The two longtime republicans consultants have been bitter rivals until recently. But they have come together to face a new obstacle, donald j. Trump. Mike is with us from los angeles, and for the first time in tv history, he is joined by , including mitt romney is in 2012. Mikert, what do you and see the same regarding trump . I think it proves the ageold maxim that discussed conquers all. Mike and i both have worked for candidates across the spectrum of the republican party, and have worked for people we really care about and are proud of. And we see donald trump is someone who is completely out of the mainstream of how we would like to define politics, specifically the publican party. Stewart, in your wildest dream, could you ever have imagined us here . And beyond the fact that people are bored with status quo what happened . Public is just took their eye off the ball and started to not to the world is a populous world, whether youre coming out from the left or the right . What happened . I think you hit the nail on the head. The inability to imagine what might happen, that is the trump could win, helped him win. There was a consensus of which i certainly was part of. I wrote that he would drop out before iowa because he would lose iowa. I was is wrong or more than anybody. I think that enabled him. Its like world war i, the guns of august. If you had imagine its going to happen, and the next year, you are two years in. The next thing you know, youre two years in the zone. The party, there is a school of thought in the party that trump is a perfect candidate for. He is fulfilling all the sort of cockamamie fantasies, if you just yell at the media loud enough, youll beat the media, that we can win just with white votes. There are these, what i call the lost tribes of the amazon out there. Just go up the river far enough and beat the drum loud enough, theyll come to the river bank and vote for you. Its almost like you had to test drive this to see that it was just completely nuts. Mark mike, what do you think of what brother stevens is saying . Mike we totally agree on this. Half the primary voters went out and had a lost weekend bender and now they have woken up next to mrs. Godzilla and its a disaster. He hit that chord of resentment politics inside the republican primary, where the incentives are often to do anything you can do to lose the general election. Now were paying the price. Stuart and i have had our disagreements. We both feel so strongly about this, we started chatting on the phone and he very graciously did the radio free g. O. P. Podcast and we have a similar diagnosis. And we agree a lot about what we have to do to clean up this mess after the election. Donny i want to ask both of you guys this question. Clearly you have hit a nerve. Has Something Else happened here . From here on, were spoiled at home that were going to want, demand, except, embrace, any accept, embrace, any politician, entertainer, George Clooney starts to run. Part of it is its been so fun to watch, its not a politician, its an entertainer. Whether its clooney or oprah winfrey. Is this teeing up that every president ial election is open for business way beyond politicians . Stuart i worked with George Clooney on k street and i also know donald trump a little bit. I think clooney has 75 i. Q. Points on trump and is a much more sensible ground and sane sensible, grounded, sane human. I dont think so. I think youre going to find that this is sort of a rejection of that and go back to an idea that governing is serious business. Donny thats my point. If a candidate did come along that had the best of both worlds, had the qrating, the star appeal, entertainment value and actually was an intelligent, literate, considerate person, i think we have spoiled the populace and thats something to , contend from here on . Mike . Mike i worked for arnold schwarzenegger. He was famous but he worked a lot to have policy plans and surround himself with great policy advisors, he took the governing side thing seriously. You will see more pop culture in politics. In the movie business, preaware we would call preaware titles move into the space, but the voters after the trump thing are going to develop more of a filter. Where a kardashian is not such a good idea, but somebody who has done their homework like a clooney on the left or garys gary sinese or on the right could be an attractive candidate. I think trumps mistakes will raise the bar a little while pop culture is here to stay. Mark stuart, confused and surprised by the fact you have some republicans, consultants and Office Holders who say never trump. You got some who are lining up. We talked last segment about george p. Bush being for trump. Do you expect a lot of people, Office Holders and advisors to say, you know what, i cant be for trump and come public or not . Stuart i think it probably will happen. Listen, i have tried to be very uncritical with anybody that disagrees with me about donald trump. In part, donald trump is so critical of anyone who does disagree with him. Its particularly important at this moment in our politics to allow for differences. I know a lot of well intentioned good people support donald trump , that he could be a good president. Im not with them, but this latest monmouth poll, trump is winning 5 , winning the white vote by 5 . Romney won it by 29 . He is shrinking the party. In florida, he is getting 12 of hispanic voters. Romney got 40 . There is some reason to believe romney lost. Were headed in the wrong direction. We need to be expanding instead of shrinking and were in the shrinking business. Mark you worked with mitt romney real quick. If romney were the nominee, where would this race be . Mike ahead and winning. Mark are you guys going to Work Together on anything . Is this a one off . Mike stay tuned for our musical, were talking to broadway right now. Mark the broadway musical, stevens and murphy or murphy and stevens, thanks for being here. You can catch mikes podcast, radiofree g. O. P. On itunes. When we come back, a look at that new independent candidate right after this. Cia officermark the former and yesterday, he announced he was running as an independent candidate for president , today he joins us here in the studio. Thank you for coming. We want show you, you are seeing this with the first time, what donald trump said in north carolina. Mr. Trump hillary wants to essentially abolish the Second Amendment. The way, she gets to pick if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do folks. Although the Second Amended people, maybe there is, i dont know. Mark his Campaign Said they were trying to mobilize voters. What do you think of what donald trump said . We know what he means when he says, he suggests that gun owners should take some violent action towards hillary, whoever it was. Mark no doubt that was a joke, but thats what he meant. Seems fairly clear to me. This is just what kind of guy he is. Its consistent with his pattern in the kind of things is rhetoric, the kind of things he does. Its just more donald trump. Thats just the tip of the iceberg with him. You are new to almost anybody in america. I want to start by asking you about an issue thats been big in the politics for the last couple of years, samesex marriage. It happened very quickly. Is now legal, are you comfortable with the way it for the law of the land on samesex marriage . As a member of the church of jesus christ of latterday saints, i believe in traditional marriage between a man and a woman. But i respect the decision of the court area i think its time to move on. You said you want to push for the federal level down to the state level. That is something you think should be handled by the states about the federal government. Ideally, yes. Its been handled by the supreme court. Thats what it is. Your personal preferences the marriage should only be legal between a man and a woman, and that you accept the court and change . Fine with the it to the decision of faith with me, my faith isnt everyone elses faith, kind and my decisions for me on those types of things. Mark you are comfortable with the law of the land. You wouldnt try and appoint justices were nominated justices who would overturn the decision . I wouldnt on that. Mark if you were president and there was intelligence that says theres an opportunity to kill the head of syria, would you operate authorize him to be killed . Abu want to do that, we could do that now. Thats a strategic decision that i think is driven by a strategy, if we had one. Thats the issue they are, not that we cant find him very its not like bin laden. Mark i assume you would like him gone. Why not have forces kill him . You have to have a number of things in place. I think you should go. Another would allow him to stay there if we ever hope to defeat isis. One thing i hope the world understands is that dictators create terrorists. That is something we all have to understand. Donald trump will say Saddam Hussein was very good at killing terrorists. That was something that was good