John that joke was ok. Holy trump bay, sports fans. We will have more of the donald dr. Jekyll and mr. Hyde act. ,that is in a few minutes. John kasich and ted cruz say see you later. 11 months after donald trump entered on an escalator. After a dozen debates that made him whole, 10 months after leading in his First National pull. 16 rivals tried to stop him. 75 million in ads can block them. The seemingly endless latenight retreats. After indiana at last, the , billionaire is presumptive. Not bad. At this hour, we are waiting for john kasich to speak in columbus, ohio. Mark, we are going to look at what has happened in the last 24 hours. Let us start with this is this real life, or is it fantasy . How did donald trump do this . Mark i have been asking republicans over the last several days of trump could be stopped and i have not heard a single explanation from anybody given the weakness of the field, given how trump match the mood of the party, given the performance the donald trump and his team did i havent heard , anyone give me a scenario that downs plausible how trump could be stopped. Look, once youan take the field as set, and then you take the nature of those individuals, and how they would choose to compete, unstoppable, and inevitable i dont think anything is inevitable in politics, ever read and it ever. It takes away something from trumps particular genius that got him to where he is today against all odds to say it was somehow inevitable. Mark if mitt romney had run, would he beat him . John i dont know. To give trump credit, you dont have to like his policies to acknowledge the fact he sees the moment, he understood the ways in which the Republican Party had changed for it he read the electorate acutely and built a message that resonated with millions of republicans that resonated in a way that no one else did. Maybe he could have been stopped , but you have to take your hat off to him in that sense. Mark if you made a list of all the things you want in a president ial candidate, successful candidate trump was , first or second in every candidate in every category. As i said in the beginning, i will say it again, this was not be best field that either party put forward it was the most , overrated. There was not one person in this field who performed under their skill level. They all performed close to their skill level. None of them were a match for donald trump. John i will challenge you on one thing come im not sure if you will disagree. That you wantrea from donald trump policy and expertise. He was not first, second, third or fourth. Mark name any idea put forward by any other candidate. None of them presented ideas that caught on with the public. John that is 100 true, and that is because you said correctly, to the weakness of the field. I think what trump understood was his audience wanted not they wanted in this cycle, was not new policy, but somebody who understood their sense of grievance about how screwed up e Republican Party is. Columbusn kasich is in we are standing by. He is expected to end it tonight. Ted cruz announced last night he was dropping out of the race. Rance primus gave his digital blessing. E tweeted this we all need to unite and focus on defeating at Hillary Clinton. There are a lot of leading republicans that have still not weighed in on where they stand on donald trump, but there has been a fair amount of reaction spanning a Broad Spectrum of demotions and attitudes. On one end you have scott walker, who told reporters in wisconsin today that donald trump is for him, a better choice than Hillary Clinton. There are a lot of hedgers senators Susan Collins of maine told a liberal Radio Station quote donald trump is the opportunity to unite the party, but if you going to build that wall, he is going to have to mend a lot offenses of fences. Kelly, the campaign medications director told the report that she plans to support donald trump. We have this tweet, reporters keep asking if indiana changes anything, the answer is simple no. John, a lot of people still left to react, but what does this say about trumps chances of uniting the Republican Party as the nominee presumptive . John one note, i think those two are clowns in terms of how they are handling this. This utter wishywashy talk. If you vote for somebody, you are endorsing them. I dont care what people say, that is an endorsement. It is notable that there has not been the size rants previous rence preibus, i think donald trump has a lot of work to do. He said today there were some parts of the party he does not want, but he has an uphill struggle. Mark bill kristol said late in the day that he was not going to vote or trump or clinton. You will see some of that. Most people i talk to elected , officials will be enough on board to not create a problem for him. Some will skip the convention, but he is going to have problems with others. I think some of that can be solved by win and if when and if he starts raising money, and makes a strong by the president ial pick. I think that could go a long way in uniting the party. He has have a battle plan. Ifit is clear if the he does not see this, he should the , Vice President ial pick must be aimed at trying to solve this problem, its not about voting blocks. Mitt romney, john mccain, george w. Bush, all of the living previous republican nominees are all against him, and bob dole, that is not a unified party. Mark he will get some of this. John coming up, the surprising loss for Hillary Clinton. We will talk more about that after these words from our sponsors. Mark before last night Hillary Clinton was on a winning streak. She won in new york. The media has for some time been touting with the Campaign Calls and insurmountable delegate lead, just like donald trump. Clinton seemed to have trump like momentum and seemed the and she was leaving all of the public polls in the Hoosier State primary. What explains donald trump winning big, but Hillary Clinton losing in indiana . John the fact that the Clinton Campaign decided not to advertise in indiana and i think they made the decision which i think they may regret, it could make the next month harder. Bernie sanders was on the ground , they decided they would not spend money on air at all. It is hard to win a contest if youre not on the air. Mark it was private polling for the most part. For the most part, it looked like they could win it easily. We dont know how much money they have left, because the cash on hand figures are not kept up to date. But why not advertise . The clintons went there because they always think they can win. The campaign decided not to spend the money. It doesnt seem like a big deal, but it does create the second front for the rest of the month. John i agree. There is some sign in the exit polls that it seems Bernie Sanders can win with he has done better with women voters. And the ones where Hillary Clinton has they basically split the women. That doesnt exactly explain it. I agree, she will be be democratic nominee, almost certainly. She made her life harder by being parsimonious with her funds there. We talked about Donald Trumps efforts to bring the gop together, but one looming roadblock on the road to unity effortClinton Campaigns to identify antidonald republicans from a variety of groups. Like republican women, grassroots advocates and turn herem into i am with defectors. Which republicans are likely to be targets and how big of a role the republicans for hillary will play in the general election . Mark my suspicion is the National Security ones are going to be a big deal. You are going to see a lot of retired military diplomat who say they are not with donald trump. That is why i think the donald trump folks would like to fix the money with National Security credentials for the ticket. That would be, if you pardon the pun that is the trump card. , i think you will see some retired elected officials, maybe some women, who will be symbolically very important. John one of the things i think is overstated is the extent to which, and hillary it is overstated to the degree in which donald trump is the dove, and hillary is the hawk. Trump routinely misstates his position on the iraq war, which he claimed he was never for, but theres plenty of evidence that he claims he was for it. Mark some evidence. John there is plenty, i think. In any case theres no doubt , Hillary Clinton has credibility with military people. The military is a huge thing for clinton because she has a lot of credibility with those folks. Mark endorsements dont mean all that much, but one of the Biggest Challenges they face is winning news cycle. Having the argument and discussion on any given day be about what she wants it to be about, rather than what trump wants it to be about. No one can take away from the fact that he dominates the news when he wants to. John when highlevel military people come out and say trump is not to be commanderinchief, that could matter. Mark as we get closer to the general election matchup between a former secretary of state and a former celebrity tv star, opinions range, even within Hillary Clintons circle about how hard it is going to be to beat donald trump in november. Some think Donald Trumps populist message and unpredictable campaign could pose a threat. Others are predicting a clinton landslide. Today, clinton seems to layout the latter argument. Hillary clinton he said Climate Change is a chinese hoax and i , think it is real. We have to put the world together. You can go down a long list, some of which he has tried to bob and weave. I think he is a loose cannon. And loose cannons tend to misfire. If hes a loose cannon, he certainly willing to say things in her race against opponents and we have seen this already, a lot of candidates were not prepared for on the gop side, are you ready for that . Hillary clinton ive and in the the for 25 years. I think nearly everything that can be thrown at somebody and politics and public life has come my way. Anderson you feel like you can run against them . Ms. Clinton im not running against him. Im running my own campaign. Mark later, trump said he was eager to start focusing on the general election and clinton. Donald trump there has been a flip. I thought i would be going longer and she would be going shorter. She cant put it away. It is like a Football Team they cannot get the ball over the line, i put it away. She cannot. I thought i would be out there , and she would be campaigning against me. I didnt realize. So i will be campaigning against her. Mark john, Going Forward what , are the biggest variables that will determine whether trump can win or whether some democrats believe, this will be a blowout . John can donald trump fix one or two of the following problems his historically horrible ratings with female voters in and with hispanic voters . He has to fix at least one of them. If he cant fix either hes , done. Mark the bigger umbrella is the fight to define donald trump. Is he, as the clinton people believe, and will argue, a horrible person . A man with a dark heart that does not represent the best of the United States . Or is he a business man who is politically incorrect but the right person to make change in washington . I think that fight for definition will speak to, not just those groups but his , ability to support the electorate he has won. John i think the argument for the clinton side starts with what Hillary Clinton was saying, loose cannon, not temporary temperamentally suited for the oval office. The second thing, some of the comments he has made in the past , it does give a lot of groups the sense that he does have a dark heart. He will have to do a lot of work to convince them otherwise. Mark is always a choice. People say its a referendum on one candidate or another, but of the might me a lot gore and bush election in 2000. Gore folks said bush will never be seen as qualified. We will knock him out, and convince people he is not up for the job. They did not make the progress they wanted. I think the clinton people believe they can render donald trump unelectable. She has to prove to people that she is likable enough. A lot of this is going to be, i think about, can donald trump get over the bar of being acceptable. The debates will obviously be widely watched and hugely important. John one of the big questions, will he pay a price . He did not pay a price for some of the controversial things he said. Will he pay the price in the bigger america general election . Coming up, a look back and forward at the dramatic 2016 race. Right after this very quick break. Mark welcome back. I am withest was her, before it was trending. The chief strategist for the Hillary Clinton campaign, thank you for coming. Thank you for having me. Mark take Donald Trumps name off of his candidacy. If he was able to significantly improve his standing with women voters and hispanics what kind ,of achievement with that be in the annals of politics . Guest if i had wings, i could fly. I dont. I think it is an enormous uphill climb for him because he is extremely wellknown. The definition around him right now is of his own making. This did not get put on him by any politician or opponent are he has created himself. That is the hardest thing to undo, when you have solidified your image on your own efforts. Mark it is hard, but it is winossible that he could with women and hispanics . Out i dont relate completely, but when you look at how this has built up over time, and how solidified it has in been. The thingsok back at he has been saying, the ratings have been steady. The other thing about, that will pose a challenge for him, he has never shown a propensity to be apple to work on his own effort, he spends most of his time with very little substance. Most of his time attacking everyone else. It is hard to repair your image after that. Let me talk about how this race will look to america, change versus more of the same. She is running for the third term of the obama administration. He wants to blow up everything. Massive numbers of people in the country are frustrated at elitist, how do you change that frame . There are two things, first of all, the numbers on the wrong track were higher in 2012 when barack obama was reelected. These things are choices. I dont think it is a simple as change versus more of the same. People feel like they are not where they want to be, and they want to know who can get stuff done will make a difference in their lives. I away say president ial elections are about the future, not the past. They are about their lives, not your life as a candidate. If you look at who is talking most about the range of things that affect their lives from creating jobs, getting education, bringing down college debt, Hillary Clinton is the candidate who happens to be winning more votes than anybody else. John among available voters in america, would you say that those voters are more or less pissed off than they were years ago . Joel by available voters you mean john the up for grabs voters you will be competing for . Joel i think they are probably a little less pissed off. I think they are frustrated with different things. I think the repercussions of the Citizens United case, and what that has meant in terms of spending and money on these races is troublesome. Which is also, i think an advantage for us. Hillary clinton was the first candidate in this election cycle to call for overturning it and appointing judges that would reverse the. Reverse it, and a constitutional amendment if it didnt happen. I think that has people concerns. Economically, i think people are still not where they want to be. I think they feel like they have figured out ways to make it work in their own lives. They are back a little bit, closer to what they want to be, but they know they are not at the level of security they were before the economic crash. They want somebody looking out for their interests, making a difference in their lives. Probably help create a Better Future for them and their kids. Mark every National Poll for months and months, do you expect that to change at any point in the next month before the Convention Mark convention . Joel i dont. You look at the reality of the situation, what is happening on the republican side, even last night. You are talking about and array of tweets and commentary from Establishment Republicans about their dissatisfaction here. Including the chief consultant for john mccains race and mitt romneys race. You have people like mitt romney, people who have run before, lindsey graham, their party is going to make this very difficult to change the numbers on that side of the equation for them. I think we have more swing voters. I think more states will be in play for us. I think a lot of the swing voters you were talking about are not just moderates ideologically, they are modulated in their temperament. They dont like the hyper politics in a hyper politician antipolitician in this race is a donald trump character, not Hillary Clinton. She is a nose to the grind stone, get the work done make a , difference for you. John in 2012, the Obama Campaign would say we would rather have our hand then their hand. What does donald trump had in his hand that you envy . Joel there are a couple of things. He is an unconventional candidate. I will be honest, i think what he has is, the media has not treated him like a typical front runner. I am not singling anyone out, but you even had pe