Workplace . I talked to a partner and kliners defense attorney in this case. This is her first interview since the verdict. Great to be done. Its great to be back in my office. Great for kliner to have prevailed on everything. Did you have a sense . The jurors were stunned when they walked out and saw all the cameras there. It was overwhelming. Just a tidal wave of reporters. Occasionally people would post tweets on my Facebook Page or email me. I followed a few people but i didnt have a sense of the whole scope of it until the end. What made this case unusual . Its got an unusual amount of coverage. Supposedly having an impact on Silicon Valley. Its not going to happen. Cases dont change industries. Thats not what theyre about and not what they do. But this case was the right issue at the right time. Wrong case, wrong forum. Very hot issue obviously in Silicon Valley and people feel passionately about it. But the Media Coverage made everything different. How so . You could feel it. You could hear comments in the audience the jurors were distracteded by the clacking of the key boords. You come out and have cameras in your faces. It was a very different experience for a trial lawyer. Did that help you . It didnt help. Its a distraction you have to look beyond, keep your eyes on the prize. And thats what we did. Youre always worried what is the press reporting if the jurors are reading it. But this jury seemed to be very careful about following the judges admonitions. One of the things ive read and heard about you is that youre very aware of what the jury is doing at all moments in the courtroom. And when youre walking out or when the jury is walking out. You have to watch the jury. You have to see if theyre having a bad reaction to you. Thats important. But i wouldnt say staring at them all the time. Its just important for a trial lawyer to try and read how youre coming across and how theyre reacting to you. Do you believe theres a culttur of sexual discrimination in Silicon Valley in Venture Capital . I dont see it. Certainly not in the clients i work with. Im not sure they would hire me if there were. I suppose you could be really cynical and say thats why they hired me. But i dont see it. I hear it all the time about big law and im a senior woman partner in a big law firm. And i dont see it there, either. So part of my job to find out when its not there. Maybe that prejudices me in a way. But it sounds like youre saying its not there. I dont think its there. Youre right. The narrative has been the opposite. Definitely. The numbers are bad. That has to change. And when numbers increase, cultures change. So they say venture women capitalists of women were down. Ive talked to lawyers who say why isnt it 50 50 . Because there werent women in the pipeline. And as the professor, who is an expert in the trial testified, venture firms have been shrinking in the past few years. So thats going to hippeder hiring. What cleaner did made it number one in the nation. But there arent women entrepreneurs. There arent women in science and teck. And unless the culture fixes that, unless we put women in math and science in ways that were not doing now, the numbers are not going to change. So ellen pao lost her case but did she ultimately win by brings these issues to life . The thing it is jury were asked to rule on were incredibly narrow. Specific dates that were boxed in. And so what we heard during the trial was sort of a referendum on paos years. But what the jury was deciding on were snippets of that and does it meet very particular legal standards. And i think weve seen other cases where Public Opinion can differ from what the jury decides. Theres been a lot of that particularly most recently around ferguson and the i cant breathe in new york. So thats definitely something that does happen. And i do think that you can still look at something as a learning experience and take something to gain insight from even if they dont win the case. Can i acnong that theres racism and that what happened in the horrible things that happened in missouri happened in missouri but they didnt happen here . Of course. I was just using that as an example in terms of where Public Opinion goes one way and the Court Decision goes another. When you look at this case, is this case were going to remember this as an important case . I was surprised to see it in the cover of the new york times. I think it was a very important case. For example, i certaintly dont think that Going Forward youre going to have a honey pot like Kliner Perkins not able to find its eeo policy. Do you think . I think. Yeah. And not have a situation where a woman isnt invited on an important networking event like that ski trip or the dinner. There were a lot of factual disputes here. Also Kliner Perkins got lucky in that in some ways ellen pao was not as sympathetic a plaintiff. But if she had been a different kind of plaintiff, if this had been a different kind of a job, for example, a job where there were more clear cut requirements this could have gone very differently. And remember that the court ruled that Kliner Perkins was potentially on the hook for over 140 million of punitive damages. Now, they dodged the bullet. But Going Forward, i think practice is going to be very, very different both in gender in Venture Capital and in tech more generally. So weve all read a lot about the case. We know the case a little bit. The people who knew it maybe the best the jurors were kind enough to speak to us right after the verdict was announced. Check this out. When you see comparable or similar feedback, meaning areas that they need to improve y, any, one gets promoted and moves the fast track and the other is held back in a the particular role. Then to me it served the it validated the claim of being discriminated against on the basis of gender. Based on testimony we heard, it probably had more to do with per salesability and her ability to get along with people. Her personality. And a lot of people can be very analytically driven which it sounds thats what she was. Thats what made her great in the chief of staff role. But we felt in the long run that probably that wasnt what her role was going to be just based on the reviews and the emails that we saw. So there was the two sides of the case. And the latter side is what carried the day there. But when you look at this, do you think that this is just the right issue the wrong case . Yeah. I think that its pretty hard to listen to some of those stories, and as well as some of the other stories that came out over the past couple of years and women in tech and not think thats somethings not amiss. So i do think this is an issue thats not going away. Its something that almost every woman who works in Venture Capital has experience of. Is it worse in finance or business . Not that finance isnt business but its its own peculiar thing. I think that one of the thing about finance is alternative assets is deals can take years to come to fruition. And even after they come to fruition who knows if theyre successful or not. So during that time you are based on your reputation and who you know and the perception of success rather than in business you have quarterly earnings. So i think women can do better in an analytical environment where they can prove that theyre good as opposed to needing to grow out on a strip club bus or whatever it may be. When we look at this case do you think that there will be another case like this . Weve heard about class action suits on these same issues. This could have a much wider reaching effect. I mean, during the trial there were two more lawsuits filed against Tech Companies. That may be a coincidence. I suspect its not. What we saw in this trial is that although there was a lot of evidence that cut in favor of Kliner Perkins there was also very, very clear evidence of jeppeder stereo typing and gender stereotyping and the kind thats encountered byationamerican women. For example, in a recent study one of the findings that we had is that Asian American women are often faulted for being too passive. A word that was literally came up in the Kliner Perkins trial. And that Asian American women walk a very, very narrow tight rope between being seen as too femen to be competent, too passive, too quiet, she was called. But also too masculine to be likeable. She was called both fassive and demanding. Thats passive and demanding. Thats a narrow type rope. And this is really a gender training to the world. So i think it has changed the conversation in a permanent way. Well be right back. Indianas new socalled religious freadm law has become a huge issue in the technology and business industry. After the law Tech Companies spoke out in protest. More than a dozen tech leaders signing a letter. Sales force is limiting employee travel to the state as are some city and state governments. Cloud era pulled out of a big data conference. I spoke with mike olson just hours after indiana governor mike pence vowed to fix the law. I think its encouraging but we would like to see exactly what the legislature and the administration intend. What is it about this law that offended you guys so much that you very quickly moved to speak out against it . Several things. First of all equality is a constitutional right. Very simple, very direct. Obthat basis this law was a problem. Not just on that basis though. We believe that equal rights for all citizens including lgbt citizens are fundamental. That it is good for business. And that it is the morally right thing for us to stand up for that class of citizens as for others. There were lots of problems with the indiana law. Were happy to see the governor begin to address some of them and were looking forward to seeing more. I was really struck, i think all of us have been struck by how the Tech Community in particular have struck out making a lot of loud noises. But your company, yelp apple, really getting out there. Angies list is an indiana based Company Really quickly speaking out about this. Why do you think Tech Companies have taken the lead here . I think mark did a Great Service in focusing attention on this law. This is different from the laws in many other states. Thats not to say those laws dont have problems but this one is especially egregious. By focusing attention and by giving the Tech Community, which swings a lot of revenue, which has a lot of influence among businesses in indiana, he gave us the chance to affect the course of this law. And, i hope, to lead to its revision or repeal. Mark, it certainly did that. Also, tim cook, also the biggest tech company, talk about all the other states that have similar laws. Have you gone through and thought about what this means to the other states . Have you put yourself in position where youre going to have to speak out or decide whether those laws are acceptable to do business in those other states that have laws . Its a good question but its not just a cloud era question. I think one of the services that mark and tim and the Tech Community provided here was to focus attention on all of those other laws. There are some substantial differences and we havent read all of the statutes and detail. But i think now that there is a National Conversation under way about what is permissible, what is written into legislation, and what that ought to mean for businesses like ours. I think its a very helpful development and i look forward to continuing that conversation and to finding more ways that cloud era can be supportive of rights of all people. I want to play a sound byte from mike pence as well because he talked for quite a bit and had some interesting things to say. I dont believe for a minute that it was the intention of the General Assembly to create a license to discriminated or a right to deny services to gays lesbians or anyone else in this state. And it certainly wasnt my intent. Do you believe that that it wasnt his intent . Look, im not going to call into question what the governor intended. What i will do is highlight what the governor and the legislation did. And that is wrote a law that legalized discrimination against classes that ought to be protected, that certainly are in federal law and in other states. The state of indiana lacked those protections. If this outcry leads the state to write reasonable protections into its code then i think weve accomplished something pretty great. And we look forward to seeing what the governor does in that regard. Before we congratulate ourselves for just the Tech Community, even in indiana we saw a huge protest. The indiana star Indianapolis Star the newspaper there in indiana not known as a bags of liberalition really powerful full cover saying fix this now. Religious freedom restoration act, taken a really powerful stance on this. I wonder what this means, though, if editorials can do what editorials do. But i wonder if the voice of business and the almighty dollar speaks louder when businesses such as yours mike, decide to pull business away from that state. Look, a couple things. First of all, i believe that most people in indiana believe in equality and want civil rights to be enforced for everyone. I believe that to be true. When we pulled out of the conference we werent directly harming the governor or the legislature. We were, frankly, taking a Economic Pulse on a bunch of Business Leaders who may not well share the views and opinions of the legislature of the administration. We harmed ourselves. We had an opportunity to go and gain a bunch of prospective customers and others and that was costly for us. We believed that it was the right thing to do. By encouraging moderate voices in indiana to speak up in support of civil rights, i think weve had some effect as a Broad Community in driving the dialogue there in the right direction. Again, i am really pleased to hear some encouraging words out of the governor this morning and i really look forward to those words turning into action that makes a difference. Mike olson, cloud eras chief strategy officer. Well be right back. This is the best of bloomberg west. So what if target executives have been able to identify the card hackers . The Security Company allows companies to track everything connected to a network and executives can check and evpbsht down these end points in just 15 seconds. They raised 15 million to follow the firms initial investment of 90. The board member is joining the board also joined me here in the studio. The first thing thats really unique is the instant response across your network. Like how many devices are connected to your internet . Most people go one, two. If i think about it ive probably got a couple dozen. But you dont know the number. But imagine a global company. How fast can you figure out which ones are connected, what theyre running . Thats what titanium lets you do in 15 seconds. So you have a million different cash registers, laptops, figure out whats going on on all of them in 15 seconds. Is this a big data solution . Its been a focus of your firm. But all that information just all those ip addresses. The example of this company, the lights bious are ip controlled. Thats whats so fascinating. Because in the world of security what matters the most is getting the most uptodate used . It would take a lot of data bases. It sort of says to every computer look to the guy right and left of you and well send it all back. The buddy system. Its like a buddy system. So i get that. What how does that respond to the types of hacks were seeing now . Because the types of hacks are changing dramatically were seeing these stathe sponsored hacks like north korea. Thats the most interesting thing about the breaches or infiltrations today is that theyre multistep often involve what looks like legitimate use of something thats going on and they involve a combination of programs and networking. Like unpacked a little bit. Weve seen a lot of cases where someone gets in the and stays there for months or even more than a year. Even how they get in. Sometimes they have legitimate credentials and they plant a program over here which talks to a program over here. But what we let you do is have this complete view of information whats going on and how, which machines might be sending a certain type of packet, which machines are running a certain type of program. But all instantly. So when you do understand a breach is given on, look for a pattern, like look for these programs or look for this traffic. But you have no way of knowing at all. I dont understand why the ip stant. If some of the attacks are slow why does instantaneous detection matter if these acts take months and years . A great question. Today what you see is the breaches are using these known infiltrations. But in certain patterns and in certain arrangements around the company and they do take time. The problem is you cant figure out theyre going on and once you do, you need to shut it down instantly. Thats where the instantaneous response really comes in. So the way to think is these breaches, you learn about i just got a memo from a Security Company telling me to look for these things. The problem is today theres no way to do that. So these memos pile up. Indicators of compromise. Theyre literally in the inbox of every security professional. And it takes days to go through each one. With tainium it takes seconds. The existing tools are all about trying to be predictive and block. Those play a role but most of the time you cant predict whats going on in the network and you have to react and respond. Well be right back. Youre watching the best of bloomberg west. Bringing you this weekends best. Go daddy went public this week. The