He wants to destroy the list that poverty and disease cannot be eradicated. The melinda and bill gates came out and wrote by 2035 there will be almost no poor nations left in the world. Gates sat down with our inner loop anchor betty lue and Mike Bloomberg, also the former mayor of new york, for an exclusive interest view interview and discussed how they view their charitable causes and whether gates will return at microsofts e. O. Im on the board and the board is doing some important work right now. Foundation is the biggest part of my time but then, you know, i put parttime work in to help as a board member. Are you involved at all or how involved are you with the search for the new chief executive . The board is working on that. Theres nothing new to say. But, you know, its a good board. Do you feel a sense of urgency at all . Does the board feel a sense of urgency on this front . Yeah, i think you always feel that way. Then, again, you want to pick the best person. So, you know, theyll move at the right pace. You know, we had the fortune of having the mayor come back to this company and were very happy to have him back at bloomberg. Bill, has that ever hit your vision in the future to ever going back to microsoft full time . My fulltime work will be the foundation for the rest of my life. My wife, melinda, and are enjoying that. I get to do it in depth. So im not going to change that. Although ill help out parttime. Mike, tell me how you think, in the 12 years youve been in public office, technology, the industry itself has changed dramatically, new pioneers that are following in the footsteps of bill gates. Give me your take on the state of technology and how you view it . Technology is an enabler, technology is a tool but i think the basics really havent changed. Ed situation, business, philanthropy is still about looking at each other in the eye and working with each other and working collectively and collaboratively and have to be careful to not think that technology is going to do everything for you. Hics matter, competency, the education of our kids is the most important thing. There are enormous changes in the job prospects for people at every level and some will lead us down the path of some very severe problems. But nevertheless, the first and most important thing is every kid getting a good education and in some parts of the world they understand that and in some parts of the world they dont and sadly in america, we dont seem to. We keep falling in these rankings and used to be in the top 10 and now are lucky to be in the top 30 and does not bode well for our future and we have to pull together and get away from this partisan stuff and start devoting in the resources we need if were going to have a future. Bill, you are passionate as well about training our young people, particularly in computer science, that theres not enough training there. I think education is a topic mike and i think is incredibly important and are willing to create controversy in saying lets help teachers be better, lets try out new approaches. The status quo is pretty unsatisfactory. And technology is going to help particularly for that motivated learner but how do you create the motivation broadly . Thats mostly a human problem in helping the teacher do it as best as possible. Just on a final note, bill, tell me what you think about the state of the Technology Industry now and how the new crop of leaders, how you see them . Well, the rate of innovation is faster than ever, things like understanding speech and vision and taking large amounts of data and understanding that, big, High Resolution dreens that will be on your walls and office at home. Were really in a fantastic period where finding information will get a lot better and lead to productivity and we can simulate things so new Product Innovation and design can be better. We so it in biology even understanding complex systems and what drugs should be tried out so im a great believer, whether its helping the poorest or just helping the global economy, technology can solve a lot of problems. You go back and look what people predicted a few years ago, and they were so far wrong. Almost everything they predicted has been done. In the next two or three years well improve technology more than was done from the beginning of inventing electricity to today. Exponential. Exponential and the disruption, theres no industry thats not going to have to adjust and change. Some will do it successfully, some wont. Some people are going to have better jobs, some people will have to find ways to make sure that theyre included. We shouldnt walk away from it but its going to be a very serious problem and its not just an american problem but a problem around the world. Particularly in the middle where an awful lot of automation is taking place. That gives you cheaper, better products but it also reemploys fewer people and we have to find ways to get everybody involved. Bloomberg l. P. Founder and majority stakeholder Mike Bloomberg and microsoft cofounder and chairman bill gates with betty liu. Well, from Silicon Valley to switzerland, some of techs biggest names are headed to davos for the World Economic forum. Well hear from some of them next. Welcome back to the best of bloomberg west im ellily emily chang. Tech titans have been taking the stage in davos, switzerland. Melissa meyer, cinioff and mark chambers sat on a single panel where they discussed a range of subjects including n. S. A. At length and we talked about the highlights. All of them affected, certainly cisco and certainly at t and also yahoo as well getting the collection requests. And here they are in this Global Economic forum talking about the impact of their global businesses on these u. S. Spying policies. Everyone was asked what would you ask if you could ask president obama for one thing. Lets take a listen what Marissa Meyer had to ask. What is one request you would make that president obama . Transparency. The ability to, one, understand, so we can help our users understand exactly how many requests were getting and or the range of requests were getting and how the data will be used because we need to rebuild trust with our users. Do you feel the trust has fallen because of this, marissa . Yeah, i definitely think so. And not only within the u. S. But also internationally. Certainly there are other countries that really have concerns about what the n. S. A. Is looking at and i think transparency is something that would really ultimately help them. You do wonder what the fallout is going to be internationally in terms of how its going to affect the growth of these companies if international clients, for example, dont trust yahoo or other companies to hold their daysa. Then they turn somewhere else. Every one of those c. E. O. s, at t, cisco, yahoo have all been to the white house to talk to president obama specifically about this issue. Out last sco came quarter and their sales fell presip it isly because of the n. S. A. Program and asked about it in the conference call. John chambers has been outspoken and its worth noting john chambers, republican, has been outspoken about this policy because its hurting his business. One of the things he specifically talked about was the need for more regulation. I dont know if its a bit too optimistic on his part but the idea the United States and its allies could agree on the rules of the road, how were going to do business and prevail, if you will. Lets all just agree on it and follow those rules. Definitely thinking down the road. If its happening to cisco in china, look at the failing results hewlettpackard reported and i. B. M. s server results well talk about later in the show and you see it play out through technology and the n. S. A. Problem is a issue for u. S. Business. Marc benioff i heard say its not just the governments responsibility but putting it back on the companies. Take a listen to what he had to say. Transparency is not just about the government, its also about vendors. Vendors have to provide complete and total transparency themselves and also cant pin it all on the government. Who is he calling out there . Is he calling out yahoo . Sysco . Alling out the companies stumbled around when the news first broke and Edward Snowdens leaks became known and there were great efforts by the guardian and the washington post. Companies have fell back saying its not that big of a deal and wish we could tell you its not that big of a deal but were not allowed and they continued to call for transparency because they dont have it. Ill be curious to see what the numbers look like if we can see it and if the numbers matter that much if in fact its this big metagathering. Weve had Different Levels of cooperating. It at t cooperating very quietly and yahoo is one of the early ones complaining and they recognize the effects to their business which theyre trying to turn around. Speaking of yahoo , we dug deep tore what is happening and talked about mobile and it has been a theme of hers and for the past year talked about how mobile is changing their business and lets listen to what she had to say about that. For yahoo , 2014 is the year of crossover. By the end well have more mobile users and more mobile traffic than we have p. C. Traffic. So you have to be prepared for that and we pride ourselfs in running the Worlds Largest startup. Can you be the Largest Company and be flat and transparent and enable people to think about how should we be changing and what are the new, disruptive things we should get into . Heres my question, she talks about mobile now for more than a year but the same thing is happening at facebook and same thing happening at twitter where its more possibly and doesnt mean more people are using yahoo but that theyre using it differently. What does it say about their traffic and their growth . First of all, six days out from reporting the quarter and that will be a big deal in the midst of the turn around where every 16week period matters bigtime. This is a huge transformation were seeing across businesses and its not just about adopting their existing business to mobile but when you have a company like yahoo trying to find its way and find relevance theyve lost over the course of 10 years, mobile provides a great opportunity for them to be relevant in a place where theyve lost relevance in the desktop to be relevant on mobile. Some of the numbers theyve come out with, theyve told us in the last quarter theyre up to 390 million mobile users and up 15 quarter for quarter and thats massive growth and big change of user behavior. Now theyre starting to give those numbers in describes and drabs, its a dribs and drabs like a doubleedged sword it trumps up and theyll be required not required but investors will say tell us how many users youve got out there and see in the growth is accelerating or climbing . How does it translate to sales . We know Advertising Sales arent doing well and castro, the chief brought over from google before he joined her team at yeah should, she just fired him and obviously shes not happy with the performance. I think what weve seen from the Bigger Companies that made their way initially in the desktop is theyve had a really hard time in other words, a phrase mobile first. We keep hearing companies, mobile First Development but its hard for companies to be mobile first. You can argue twitter is a mobile First Company and they said on certain days their mobile revenues compete their desktop revenues. We havent heard that from facebook and certainly havent heard it from google and yahoo . What we know about advertising, it tends to be less for mobile and for advertising dependent companies its been difficult and well see how the transition goes. At some point the company will be required. We know yahoo fought with the s. E. C. About what they disclose and the thing they didnt want to disclose was that they had 30 of their revenues coming from microsoft and bing and the reliance on that agreement which could expire in a short time. So they have not disclosed their mobile numbers. Can you rest assured if their mobile numbers looked really good they would disclose them. If they havent disclosed them, maybe theyre not as strong. On the discussion that veered in an interesting direction in the sense that the moderator asked george colony of forester, asked all of them what technology transformed them the most and marissa said the iphone and marc said the fitbed and he had a funny story of michael dell, has been falling him as friends on the fit bit network and could tell when benioff is not working out. Take a listen to this quote. Marc, are you feeling ok . Are you feeling ok, marc . What do you mean, michael . Im very worried about you . Im like, you are . Yeah. Because im your fit on the fit bit network and i noticed the last three days you havent worked out. Its almost a little creepy that michael dell, across the country, could know marc benioff is not working out. Its intriguing these big Global Technology leaders, both who have built their empire really on the desktop once again are thinking about and actively engaged in this world of not getting fit. Thats a thing for guys and these guys both in their late 40s i think, maybe a little more, i want to call them. Lets say early 40s because i like both of these guys personally. I think whats interesting is theyre actively engaged in learning about this world where lots of data is being collected and a new sort of social network is being created outside of the social network. Now, i know they have a facebook connected thing with the fitbit but with the jawbone and a handful of other devices, the fuel ban maybe less so. The sharing of data is a big part of this. But its also massive amounts of data being collected or on the case of benioff sitting on the couch and not being collected and the reaction of that is a personal one, im sure these guys are thinking what it means in terms of big business and changing their business. What about what it means in terms of privacy, where is the data stored and who sees it and who makes money off of it . Im sure mike dell is thinking of selling and gathering that data and spinning that data into things that can be used by companies and by big users of this stuff not just trying to get his friends off the couch. Cory johnson, our editor at large. Coming up well bring you another interview from davos, dell founder and c. E. O. Michael dell speaking with our tom kean about dells plans now that its a private company. This is the best of bloomberg west im emily chang. Dell was taken private late last year. What will the computer maker look like as a private company . Dell founder and c. E. O. Michael dell sat down with tom keene and david care patrick in dave David Kirk Pat trick in davos, switzerland. Hardware is important and it is shifting to new areas in servicing and software and these are areas we invested tremendously and done 30 acquisitions in the last five years and built 21 billion Enterprise Business in these new areas and certainly as a private company, were absolutely intending to, you know, focus more on those areas. David, before you jump in here with some questions for mr. Dell when are you going to let me . Go ahead. But please, the michael dell ad on television now is a home run deep to left field where you went back and you went back to where all these companies its beautiful. Actually started. It was an inspiring ad. I had goose bumps. I wouldnt say i cried but it is a good ad. I appreciate that. Going to the shape of the evolving p. C. And computer industry, what do you have in your hand and how significant is this kind of device to where its all going . I have our new eightinch tablet. Our tablet business hold it so the camera can see it. Is it a shameless plug or what . Come on. Heres the keyboard if you want one of those. The other guys dont have this, do they . This is the eightinch tablet. Its also a full p. C. So it runs microsoft office. You take it with you and you come back in the office and attach it to a full monitor and you take it with you and connect it all the time. Its a small really real p. C. . Is this where the industry is going now . Its interesting, i think the death of the p. C. Has been talked about quite a lot. It turns out theres still a million of these devices sold every single day. Are you kidding . But price competition base in india is an example, its been hugely successful. How do you differentiate here versus the person after mr. Bollmer or apple will do and whats the distinction between this product or a high end apple or what microsoft is doing . Our tablet business has really taken off in 2013. It doubled from first quarter, second quarter, doubled again second to third, third to fourth, about tripled. So theres certainly product differentation, differentation in services. And then, of course, the real issue is, how do you integrate this securely into a companys operations, make it work . Its not just about the product, its about software and services and undergo how it works within a company to really make people more productive. Part of being private, then, michael, youre going to try and shift the lions share of your revenue to Software Services or are you going to be thought of as a hardware company, say, in five years . Well, wed love to see our other businesses grow that fast. We still have a very substantial business in hardware. But ill tell you, its a Good Business for us, right . And its a Great Foundation for us to build relationships as an entree if nothing else. Into cybersecurity and systems management, information management. Right. Were entering this whole age of the data economy. Right. Bloomberg surveillance anchor tom keene with bloomberg editor David Kirkpatrick and michael dell. Twitter cofounder biz stone will be joining us and find out y he says his new social Search Program jelly is not a social network. This is the best of bloomberg west im emily chang. Are photos the future of search . Thats what biz stone is saying with his app jelly who answers your questions with the help of pictures and friends in your social network. Stone cofounded medium and the Obvious Corporation in addition to twitter. I sat down w