David i dont consider myself a journalist. Nobody else would consider myself a journalist. I began to take on the life of being an interviewer, even though i have a day job. How do you define leadership . What is it that makes somebody tick . David id like to start by acknowledging the presence of mrs. Bush. Thank you very much for being here. [applause] mr. Bush actually, i was supposed to do that. David sorry. [laughter] david i want to ask you about your parents. How are they doing . Mr. Bush i hate these tough questions. [laughter] thank you for asking. I told dad today that i was going to be on stage with bill, and you were the moderator. David what did he say . Mr. Bush he was surprised. [laughter] david okay. Surprised you could not do anybody better . [laughter] oprah wasnt available. Mr. Bush they are doing well, thank you very much. Im really fortunate to be the only president with both parents alive after the presidency. Everyday is a blessing to have your mom and dad alive. And they are doing well. 93 and 92 years old. Thank you for asking. I will tell them you asked. David how is hillary doing . Mr. Clinton good. If you knew our grandkids, you would know she is good. She did really well. She has been working on her book. We spend every available hour with our grandchildren. My grandson just turned a year old on fathers day. Which means every seven years, his father will celebrate fathers day on his sons birthday, which is kind of nice. And my almost threeyearold granddaughter sang happy birthday to him at his party. Mr. Bush can your granddaughter sing happy birthday in mandarin . [laughter] mr. Bush mine can. Mr. Clinton no, but she can sing in spanish. [laughter] [applause] david you both have grandchildren. What do your grandchildren call you . Mr. Bush i am called jefe. [laughter] david what do your grandchildren call you . Mr. Clinton i am more humble, i am called pop pop. [laughter] mr. Clinton you are the one that told me that once you become a grandparent, you are immediately at the bottom of the family totem pole. Youre the least important person in the family. David it is true. Mr. Clinton we qualify. David we will talk about your presidencies. You are now both former president s. What is the difference between being a former president and president . One day you have the nuclear codes. You can send Nuclear Bombs off, everybody is working for you. And the next day when you leave office, you have no power. What was the transition like . [laughter] mr. Clinton nobody plays a song when you walk in the room anymore. [laughter] mr. Clinton i was lost for the first three weeks after i left office. I would keep waiting for the music, you know. [laughter] mr. Clinton actually, it is wonderful. Very rarely in 17 years have i even given a thought to i wish i were there, i could do this, or i miss this. I think you have to be grateful for the time you have and realize you should focus on today and the future. And i think it is both liberating and also it concentrates the memory. You dont know how many years you have left, but you feel that the country has given you something priceless and you owe something back. And so, each in our own way, we have tried to figure that out. I have found it a really rewarding part of my life. I have loved it. Mr. Bush i woke up in crawford the day after the presidency expecting someone to bring me the coffee. [laughter] mr. Bush laura didnt bring the coffee. [laughter] i think the thing that startled me was the sense of having no responsibility. In other words, during the presidency you kind of become accustomed to the responsibility you have. First it is pretty grave, and then slowly but surely it becomes a natural part of your life. Then you wake up the next day and you have no responsibility. That was probably the most stunning thing for me. David when you are both president , you have someone on the opposite Political Party typically saying it is a terrible idea. It is hard to get things done in washington. Maybe harder than it has ever been now, but hard when you were there as well. When you are a former president , do you find it is easier to get things done . Mr. Bush yes. It depends on what you are trying to do. Mr. Clinton i think it depends. First of all, you have to realize what you dont have and what you do. It is really true that i love the job and i loved all the responsibility. It is amazing how much of every day is taken up by things you have to do as president and by the incoming fire. When he was, for example running, i watched all his debates with al gore carefully and nobody said, what are you guys going to do if al qaeda blows up the World Trade Center . You see this in a lot of different ways. If you dont deal with the incoming fire, it will undermine your ability to do anything else. If all you deal with is the incoming fire, you cant keep the promises you made when you were running. So it is a lot of trouble. Now when you get out, you change all that power, all that clutter for whatever influence you have, and whatever your experience and contacts will permit you to do, and you have to decide what to do. Everybody makes different decisions. President carter was building habitat houses. That is what he decided he wanted to do. By doing that he helped habitat to grow in one of the biggest Home Building operations in the world. We all have to make these decisions. David former president s mr. Bush i dont think it is that easy, frankly, to get things done. For example, one of the great accomplishments in my postpresidency was the building of this building and the installation of programs that we think makes a difference. But it was hard work to get there. There was not just an appropriations bill. [laughter] david well, not easy. Today, when former president s get together, at funerals unfortunately, and sometimes when libraries open, it is not common that you get together. What is it like in the back room . What do you actually say to each other when the former president s are getting together . Do you tell secrets that you never tell anyone else . [laughter] mr. Bush generally we say, when is this Program Going to start and when is it going to end . [laughter] mr. Clinton hell say to me, give shorter answers. [laughter] mr. Clinton no, it is unusual with us because when i left office, i told him i said, if i can ever help you, then i will do it. If i cant in good conscience, i wont, but i will never embarrass you in public. And, you know, hillary was a senator. I said i may have to make some comment that disagrees with a policy of yours, but i will always do it respectfully and i want you to succeed. And i tried to be as good as my word. And then he gave me one of the great gifts of my life, the chance to work with his father after the tsunami in south asia and after katrina. We had a heck of a time doing it. We did a lot of good. That brought all three of us closer. David you ran against president bush 41. He called you names, you called him names. How did you come together . Mr. Clinton he deserves a lot of credit because if we had not asked us to do this tsunami work together, i am not sure the relationship whatever flowered the way it did. Mr. Bush i think it starts with being bill clinton being a person that refused to lord his victory over dad. In other words, he was humble, which is very important in dealing with other people. David you ran against president bush 41. It was a bitter campaign. He was defeated for reelection. How did you manage later to develop a close relationship . Wasnt that very difficult or awkward at times . You had run against each other. He called you names, you called him names. How did you come together . Mr. Clinton i think it helped that we had some contact before. I represented the democratic governors when he decided to embrace these National Education goals and asked governors to help write them. And we started working together. And then i tried never to take a cheap shot in the governors association. If we disagreed, we found things we could do together. And i think the other thing is, like i said, he deserves a lot of credit because if he hadnt asked us to do this tsunami work together, i am not sure the relationship would have ever flowered the way it did. We just like being together. It is like anything else. Sometimes you click with people, sometimes you dont. I always admired him. I think i completely supported what he did in the aftermath of the collapse of the soviet union, supporting german reunification, supporting the european union, supporting the efforts he made and i made, as you see today, with mixed results to integrate russia into the family of democracy. We just started working together on this tsunami thing. It is easy to forget because it was a long time ago. They lost 300,000 people in a matter of minutes and several countries. Then president bush said, americas got to do our part. Most people couldnt find those little countries on the map. But they were part of the Global Community that he was willing to take our fair share of the responsibility for. David that was your relationship with president bush 41, but how did you become close . Mr. Bush i have a different take on it. [laughter] what i think is one of the most unique and important relationships in u. S. Political history. I think it starts with bill clinton being a person who refused to lord his victory over dad. In other words he was humble in victory, which is important in dealing with other people. And i think dad was willing to rise above the political contest. In other words, it starts with the individuals character. Both men in my judgment displayed strong character. Therefore, their friendship was able to be formed. Why do i have a friendship with him . Because he is called a brother with a different mother. He hangs out. [laughter] he hangs out in maine more than i do. [laughter] david when you campaigned, you were campaigning against some of the things the Clinton Administration had done when you were running in 2000. Mr. Bush yeah, probably. [laughter] mr. Bush we are both baby boomers. We are both southern governors. We had a lot in common. He got along with people in his legislature, i got along with mine. We had friends in common. And so there was a natural ability to respect and like each other. Therefore, if you disagree with someone, it does not mean you dont like him. Mr. Clinton also i recognized that he was 44 days older than me. [laughter] so i called him on his birthday and said, im calling you on bended knee because this begins my 44 days of respect for my elders. [laughter] mr. Bush when i was president , i would call bill, and he was very helpful. He knew a lot about a variety of issues, particularly International Affairs that i was interested in. I knew i could count on him for good advice. And he was gracious in receiving my calls. David president clinton, all of us have gone to school recognize there is someone that is a class president and everyone thinks this person can be president of the United States, none of them have actually made it, except you. Most people burn out, and you managed to pull this off. What do you think the qualities were that were instilled by your mother . Mr. Clinton i also lost two elections along the way which keeps you humble. First of all i think that stuff is overrated. I think i got elected because i basically we were the last generation that was born without a television. I was 10 years old before we got a television. I grew up in a conversational culture where people actually talked and listened to each other. I dont know how these people make it today. The average president talks eight seconds on television. Snapchat is 10 seconds. Twitter is 140 characters. We my life revolved around meals. My father died in a car wreck before i was born, so i spent a lot of time with my grandparents and their generation. And my great uncle was the smartest guy in our family. He presided over conversations and he involved the kids in them. And he taught me that everyone has got the story, and most people cant tell it, and thats sad. And that people are inherently interesting if they can get out of their own way. So what i was taught to listen and to look. I think that is what it is. I always thought i would have a better life if i could help somebody else have a better life, too. And i got lucky. I dont care what anybody says. All these people say they are in born in a log cabin that they built themselves are full of bull. [laughter] david i think i was partially responsible for you being elected president because i worked in the white house for president carter. And you may remember toward the end of your term as governor, we put a lot of muriel note boat people in arkansas, which made it impossible for you to get reelected. I thought by not being reelected you were driven so much harder to work to be president later on. Mr. Clinton i really appreciate it. I dont think i ever adequately thanked you for doing that. [laughter] david at the time you werent that happy about it. President bush, i think i am responsible for your being elected. I worked in the carter white house. I got inflation to 19 . [laughter] that enabled president reagan to get elected, then your father to the vice president. Maybe helping you become president. Did you ever think about that . Mr. Bush i think clinton had a bigger role to play than you did because i dont think i ever would have run for governor had he not defeated dad. It would have been difficult for me to have beaten ann richards in 1994 because i wouldve spent my time defending george h. W. Bush. Who had been in the last two years of his presidency. By losing, it enabled brother jeb and me to run on our own for governor in our respective states. I was sitting in the oval office at the desk, taking it all in, and in walks my dad and i said, welcome, mr. President. And he said, thank you mr. President. David what was it like when your mother walked in the oval office for the first time and you are president of the United States . Mr. Clinton she started laughing out loud. [laughter] mr. Clinton it was so ridiculous that it could ever happen. David both of you ran for congress and both lost. You have that in common. But after you lost the first time, you were trying to beat an incumbent congressman and you lost. Did you say, i am out of politics . What made you say mr. Clinton no. I got a break, in a way. In the house, the democrats did well in 1974 because president nixon resigned. But i ran against a congressman who was one of his fathers best friends. He had an 85 Approval Rating, and 99 name recognition. Mr. Bush that is called suicide. [laughter] mr. Clinton i was zero and he beat me 5148. By three points. It was one of the best things that ever happened to me. We wound up being friends too. But this district we ran in had the highest amount of gasoline use per registered vehicle in america because it was all on hilly roads. And you had to do stuff people dont do anymore. Your Television Ads did not amount to anything if you did not do retail campaigning. And i learned 75 of what i know about politics in that first race. David at the time hillary came down to help you with the campaign. Did you think she was going to stay down in arkansas and marry you . Arkansas was not considered, in her world, the center of the universe exactly. [laughter] mr. Clinton i did not, no. I had it one step at a time. I already asked her twice to marry me and she said no both times. Smart girl. [laughter] so the third time, i told her, just come down here. They liked her so much at the law school they offered her a job teaching. She didnt have anything else to do. Her other job was she was working with the house judiciary committee. So when that whole thing was over, she just took the job and it worked out pretty well. David when you got married, you said to your wife, or she said to you, i dont want to make any speeches. You implied you were not going to get into politics . Mr. Bush not true. [laughter] mr. Bush we got married in november, and the next year i campaigned for congress. But i said she would never have to give a political speech. And she did. [laughter] david and she was good at it. When you lost, you ran the house seat, and you lost. Mr. Bush 1978. David did you say, im out of politics . Mr. Bush for a while. But it turns out, like bill said, it was one of the best things that happened to me. As the guy that beat me said, if i hadnt beat bush, he would still be on the agricultural committee. [laughter] david when you decided to run for governor against incumbent ann richards, your mother and father said you have no chance of winning. Mr. Bush the father did not say that, the mother did. [laughter] david what did you say when you won . Mr. Bush i said, are you going to come to the inauguration . [laughter] you know my mother. You never pop off to her like that. Otherwise, shell floor you. [laughter] david when both of you became president , your father had been president , you had not had a father who had been president , but you had been around government. What was the Biggest Surprise . The first day you are in the oval office, you learn the nuclear codes, all the crises we might be getting into. What was the Biggest Surprise he you found, and when did it you that you were the president of the United States . The most powerful man in the world. When did it first hit you the first day, first week, the first month . Mr. Clinton harry truman said you spend so much time trying to talk people to do things you should not have had to ask them to do in the first place. What surprised me one of his dads best digs on me was that i was governor of a small state. That was factualy true. You are so far removed from the American People that its hard for them to see you as a threedimensional person. And i had to learn even as governor of texas, as big as texas is, i think you had a much more personal relationship with the people. Bob bullock was lt. Governor, a good friend of mine, he loved george bush. And i think he helped him be a better governor. We were just used to being people and dealing with people. It really surprised me how easily i could be turned into a two dimensional cartoon instead of a threedimensional human being. You have to discipline yourself about what to talk about, how to talk about it. And you have to keep remembering there are all these layers between you and people that didnt used to be there. And that surprised me. I thought i was a pretty good communicator. I thought i could i just fell on my face four or five times. Until i figured out how to do it. David you became president as a young age. You were 46 years old. If you have been president at 56 or 66, do you think it would have been different, or did you think you would have had less energy at your age . Mr. Clinton i think i would have been better in some ways if i had been older. But i think i would have been not as good in some ways. Sometimes you get a bunch done because you are too dumb to know you cant do it. [laughter] you show up and you keep trying to do it and something happens. David your father was president , so you saw what he did right and what he might have done wrong. Did you take any lessons from that . Or were you trying to separate yourself from your father . Mr. Bush no, i learned a lot from watching him. I wasnt interested in separation from him, and he wasnt interested either. We have got a great fatherson relationship. Yeah, i learned a lot from watching him. My most startling moment came right after the inaugural parade. I decided i was going to go into the oval office to see what it felt like. And unbeknownst to me, andy card had called upstairs to the residency and asked dad to come in. I was sitting in the oval office at the desk, taking it all in and in walks my dad. And i said, welcome mr. President , and he said thank you, mr. President. David that must have been something. What was it like when your mother walked in the oval office for the first time and you were president of the United States . Mr. Clinton she started laughing out loud. [laughter] mr. Clinton it was so ridiculous, the idea of it, that it could have ever happened. But on the other hand, when i started running, she was the only person that thought i had a good chance to win. Nobody else did. Hillary and chelsea were undecided at the beginning. [laughter] mr. Clinton but it made me feel good because my mother had a pretty tough life. She was widowed three times. She had a pretty tough life. And she got up at 5 00 every morning and got herself ready and was at work by 7 00 and did everything she could to take care of me. So, i was proud to be able to show it to her. And she was ill then, but she lived another year. Just a little more than another year about the time. Excuse me, a little less than a year. She died the next june 6 i mean, january 6. David whats it like to live in the white house . Mr. Bush you want to know what my mother said . David i guess so. [laughter] i can imagine. Mr. Bush get your feet off the jeffersonian table. [laughter] david but your mother was proud, of course. Think about this. There was only one woman who had a son become president of the United States whose father was president of the United States. Abigail adams, but i dont think she was alive when John Quincy Adams became president. Your mother was the only person who saw her husband be president and her son. Pretty unusual. Mr. Bush it is. David if you could run for president of the United States or former president of the United States, what would you recommend . Mr. Clinton you have to live a long time as a former president to have as many impacts as you have as president. Mr. Bush the decisions you make have got a monumental effect on a lot of people. It was exciting to be in that kind of environment. Track your pack. Set a curfew, or two. Make dinnertime device free. [ music stops ] [ music plays again ] a smarter way to wifi is awesome. Introducing xfinity xfi. Amazing speed, coverage and control. Change the way you wifi. Xfinity. The future of awesome. David so today, when you were living in the white house, some people call it a prison because you really cant get out very much. Or do you really enjoy it . You have all these servants, you can go to camp david when you want. It is a pleasure to live there, or not so much . Mr. Clinton i think if you have lived an informal life, even though i had spent almost a dozen years in the Governors Mansion in arkansas, it is very different. If you lived i basically was self supported from the time i was 19. It took some getting used to, but i developed a real respect and affection for the people that worked there. I developed an enormous amount of respect for the secret service and the risks that they take, and i adjusted myself accordingly. I loved living in the white house. I remember very vividly the last time i got off of the helicopter, marine one, and walked into the white house as president before i would soon be gone. And he would be there. I was consciously aware that i was going in there more optimistic than i was about america than the first time i walked in, more idealistic. I never got tired of it. David did you like living in the white house . Mr. Bush i did, it was great. They pamper you. We knew a lot of the staff. They were the same people that work there when bill was there, and many of the same when dad was there. Laura and i got to know them. But it is great. It is really a historic place. It is comfortable. I loved every minute of living there. David what about camp david . Most people have never been to camp david. Tell us, what is it like . It is a great place to have a retreat and relax, or is it really overrated . Mr. Clinton no, i liked it. It is a great place. Particularly i loved it most at thanksgiving. Because i would bring all the family. I liked it when chelsea could bring her friends there. You have a little more at least you are under the illusion that you have more freedom of movement, more wandering around time. It is great to get away. Mr. Bush we went there a lot and probably used it more than any president. Maybe Ronald Reagan did more. But the reason we went a lot was one, we could invite our friends. One of the great delights of the presidency was to invite friends we grew up with in midland and show them the oval office or show them camp david. The other thing i liked a lot is i love exercise. The place is set up for a lot of hiking, running, Mountain Biking. There is a wonderful gym. I found it to be liberating. David Mountain Biking is a dangerous thing. You have fallen a couple times. But you have not given it up . Mr. Bush i still ride. David you are not worried about breaking things . Mr. Bush no. Mr. Clinton your dad was jumping out of planes at 85. David you have lost weight since you left the presidency. You have gone on a vegan diet. Isnt that hard to do . Mr. Bush less burgers. [laughter] mr. Clinton not when you have quadruple heart bypass and you want to live to be a grandfather. I did not give it a second thought. I realized i was highly prone to arterial blockage. I thought i would cut my chances. I literally wanted to live to be a grandfather. Unlike him who comes from great genes, i am now the oldest person in my family for three generations, man or woman. I said i think i would like to hang around. Im having a good time being alive. It will be over soon enough. I figure i will stretch it out as long as i can. David if you could run for president of the United States, for former president of the United States, what would you recommend . Mr. Clinton depends on how you keep score. But i think you have to live a long time as a former president to have the impact on as many people as you can as president. I have tried to do as best i could on that. But if you gave me the choice, i would serve two terms. Mr. Bush me, too. The reason why is the decisions you make have a monumental effect on a lot of people. It is exciting to be in that kind of environment. It insists that you use all your skills and energy in order to affect policy in a positive way. The interesting thing about the presidency is that it is often defined by the unexpected, which makes the job doubly interesting. Mr. Clinton it is a very interesting. A lot of more successful former president s are one term. John quincy adams went back to congress for 16 years, one of our most important antislavery advocates. William howard taft became chief justice. Herbert hoover came out of retirement and wrote the Civil Service act. They did a lot of good things. And i feel that george and i have been blessed because we were reasonably young. Barack obama is young. You can be double lucky. You can serve eight years as president and do good things. David john kennedy was once asked at a press conference, what do you think about this job and would you recommend it . He said not to others so so i can finish my tenure. Would you say it is worth the aggravation factor to become president , or would you recommend they pursue Something Else . Mr. Clinton in a heartbeat. [applause] david the highest calling of mankind i always thought was private equity. [laughter] david you say being president of the United States is better than private equity . Mr. Clinton i dont know. Mr. Bush we make 200,000 a year in pension. What are you make . [laughter] david money isnt everything. But yes. [laughter] mr. Clinton if we could say one serious thing, there are a lot of really Big Questions floating out there. A mexican multibillionaire is a really smart guy and he gave a speech during the campaign. The campaign being what it was, obviously nobody was interested in asking about it, but he said i believe this will be the first technological revolution that will kill more jobs than it creates. And therefore, i believe we will either have to have people with money pay even higher taxes to just subsidize People Living who dont, or the richest countries are going to have to start planning first for a fourday and eventually a threeday workweek because of automation, robotics, and artificial intelligence. No one knows the answer to that. Nobody knows if he is right or not. But that means that it is not going to be boring. David what would you say in your eight years youre most proud of getting done . Mr. Clinton we had the broadest period of shared prosperity in 50 years. David what would you say . Mr. Bush my daughters loved me. David looking back on your presidency, you both served and eight years. The our country has had roughly 550 Million People in our you history be americans. Are you a you 550 million americans over the course of our history, 45 of them elected president , but only 13 people have served two consecutive terms. You were two of the 13. What would you say in your eight years you are most proud of having done . Mr. Clinton i was most proud when i left office we had the broadest period of shared prosperity in 50 years. That is where the bottom 20 of income in percentage terms increased more than the top 20 and nobody was mad at anyone else over it. It was shared across racial and religious and regional lines. Did i abolish inequality . No. And you cant in a market society. But at least we found a way to have more shared prosperity, and including three budget surpluses. I think if everyone has got a decent job and something to look forward to in the morning, about 90 of the other problems go away. Whatever argument we might have about Health Care Policy or any other social policy, it will all become less significant if people think they can start a business and keep a job and educate their kids. Families are stable, communities are more stable, the problems get smaller. David what would you say in your eight years . Mr. Bush well, my daughters loved me. [laughter] mr. Bush as bill will tell you, it is a challenge to have teenage daughters when you are the president. It is a challenge anytime to have teenage daughters. Thanks to lauras guidance and love, our little girls our family unit strengthened. I think that is a great accomplishment. Mr. Clinton me too. This is what i think a lot of people dont believe about people like us. If you take it seriously, your most important job until your kids are out of the house is being a father or mother. David isnt it hard . When you are president of the United States, did you have enough time to be a parent as you might want . When you have all the people coming at you . Mr. Bush one of ours was at yale and the other was at the university of texas. They werent as handy, as they say. Yeah, it is hard. But thankfully laura spent a lot of time nurturing them. And helping them out. I knew what it was like to the child of the president , and the criticism is harsh. Regardless of who is president , and it stings if you are the child, someone you love getting criticized. We were worried about our girls reacting to the criticism that i got. Laura was very good at comforting them, and i tried to do my best. David what is it like when you have a daughter and she goes out on a date and the father is greeting the young man, and you are president of the United States . That is kind of intimidating for the young man i assume. Mr. Clinton at the time i certainly hoped so. [laughter] mr. Clinton i liked chelseas boyfriends. She never went out with more than one boy at a time. But the chapters got shorter and longer, depending. But i remember, she had one boyfriend in high school that i really liked. But he wouldnt take his baseball cap off inside. So finally, he sat down at dinner one night and i said, i really like you, you know, that dont you . He said, yes sir, i do. I said, you cant wear that cap at dinner. I am an oldfashioned person, take the cap off. This guy goes on to become an architect. When your dad put me to work on katrina, he was young person just starting out, and i ran into him in biloxi working with three of his friends. They got leave from their jobs. There they were just three young people trying to help people put their lives back together. I treasure knowing my daughter still bring somewhere between 18 to 26 people home for thanksgiving every year. All of her foreign friends or people who cant go home for thanksgiving. And hillary and i feed them and they go around the table and say what they are grateful for. You cannot be pessimistic about the future if you hear young people say that. [applause] david what makes you both most optimistic about the future of our country . What makes you most optimistic . Mr. Bush one of the most unique things about our country are the armies of compassion that exist throughout the United States that exist in spite of the government. These are people that say, im going to try to improve the community in which i live. Any nation with that kind of compassion is a nation in which the citizenry ought to be optimistic. David when you became former president , one of the things you were now famous for doing is taking up painting. People were a little surprised because you werent thought to be an artist before. [laughter] david why did you take up painting . Mr. Bush you did not think i was sensitive, david . Please. David how did you decide to pick up painting . And why does it give you so much pleasure . Mr. Bush i hope people will look at the paintings in the exhibit after dinner tonight. It is right behind here. The reason i do it is because it heralds our vets. I painted because i was bored. This foundation and institute takes up time but not enough. My exercise program took up time, but not enough. I read Winston Churchills essay, painting as a pastime. I basically said, if that guy can paint, i can paint. [laughter] david president clinton, since you left the presidency, you have changed your diet and other things. What have you spent the most time on now they get to the most pleasure now . Mr. Clinton building my foundation and trying to fund it. It got so big so fast that it just took up all my time. I am trying to make it more entrepreneurial. When something gets really big and can fund itself our Health Initiative gives aids medicine to people around the world. Thanks in no small measure to him passing we never took any american money. It meant we could help drive the price down of all medicine everywhere. The clinton global initiative, which we dont have anymore its previous incarnation, but im working on some specific things we helped 400 Million People with that. But it is a lot of trouble. You have to keep at it all the time. And at first i thought, i dont want to do this, but i did. I am a workaholic and i did not think i could be a gifted painter. [laughter] mr. Clinton but i admired him for doing that. I think he would tell you the best thing that can happen to you in politics is to be consistently underestimated. Mr. Bush i was pretty good at that. [laughter] [applause] mr. Clinton he made me look like a genius, because when the president ial race in 1999 started, i turned on the tv one night at the white house and i saw him sitting on a bale of hay in a tent in iowa, and as far as i know it was the first time you made that compassionate conservative speech. And i got on the phone and said, you better Pay Attention to him, he can beat you. There is a big tension against giving any party three terms in a row in the white house. What he said to people who could go either way is compassionate conservative. I will give you the same thing clinton did, but with Smaller Government and a bigger tax cut. Wouldnt you like that . [laughter] mr. Clinton as we know we democrats are not as good at bumper stickers. And it was brilliant. And i thought they are going to underestimate this guy. I also saw him beat ann richard who had been a friend of mine for 20 years, and she had a 60 Approval Rating and he won anyway because he understood that politics was about candidates, conditions, and culture, and not just what position you take on the issue. He constructed a campaign that fit with where texas was at the time. You didnt have to dislike ann richards to vote for george bush. So he maximized the number of people he could get. David what do you think it takes for someone that wants to be president . I want to be like you, i want to be like you. Mr. Bush humility. I think it is really important to know what you dont know and listen to people that do know what you dont know. Mr. Clinton if you want to be president , realize it is about the people, not about you. And when it is over people who are arrogant in office have to remember time passes. David how did the two of you come together to create the president ial Leadership Program . Mr. Bush one of the real problems with these president ial centers is that they become a irrelevant pretty quickly unless there is something that captures peoples attention. Margaret spellings, kens predecessor said we ought to think about using these platforms to call young people together and encourage them through leadership education programs. It made a lot of sense. Bill and i talked together. It fit right into our view of how to be useful. That is how it got started. And then of course inviting debt and lbjs made a lot of sense. Most people focus their attention on these libraries on the coast. He said this is a valuable resource for people in what we call the heartland. Mr. Clinton you talk to these young people here. They basically it is a nice thing to go to our libraries. We give speeches and everything. I bet you anything what they get most out of is being with each other. One of the things that is wrong with America Today that bothers me more than anything else about our future is that we have separated ourselves into likeminded communities. We may be less racist, homophobic, and sexist, but we dont want to be around many people that disagree with us. And we get news in silos. And the truth is, in an interdependent complex world, diverse groups make better decisions than homogenous ones. These people would make better decisions. And Everybody Knows that. But they almost cant help themselves because when you have a National Election it all gets abstracted and we vote for the gridlock we say we hate. This is great. I was telling george before i came out, i just came back from lake tahoe where i started and he finished a plan to save lake tahoe. It is one of only two blue water lakes in the world, and the republicans and democrats on the ground made it possible. Because they had the end in mind, and all we said was yes. I just came from colombia where i started but he mostly finished plant colombia which gave the country back to its people. It was a total bipartisan deal because we started with the end in mind. We got to get back to that in america. This is killing us, all this fighting over nothing. Instead of saying, what the heck are we trying to get done . David we have time for one more question. Both of you can answer this. For those who are president ial scholars or other people watching, if someone wants to be president of the United States, is the quality that is most important hard work, intelligence, optimism, luck . What do you think it takes for someone that wants to be like you . Mr. Bush humility. I think it is really important to know what you dont know and listen to people that do know what you dont know. Mr. Clinton i also think you have to begin with the end in mind. That is, you have to say yeah, you have to win the election, but why in the heck are you running . That is the other thing i noticed about him. When he ran for governor against ann richards, he did not say she was a klutz, he said he wanted to be governor because he wanted to do 1, 2, 3 things. A couple of them i didnt agree with, but he had his agenda. If you want to be president , realize it is about the people, not about you. And when it is over a lot of these people that are real arrogant in office, they forget time passes more quickly than you know. You want to be able to say, people are better off when i quit, kids have a better future, things are coming together. You dont want to say, god, look at all the people i beat. Or the people i worked over. I think the most important thing is to be humble, to listen, to realize everyone has got a story. All the things i learned. Mr. Bush the only thing you disagreed with in my platform was that texas ought to take arkansas. [laughter] mr. Clinton what i disagreed with is he wanted to get all of our water and not pay very much money for it. [laughter] mr. Clinton i would have swapped it out for texas oil. I told him. Barrel for barrel. [laughter] david president clinton, president bush. I want to thank you for your service to our country and for the leadership you have given to so many people, and thank you what you are doing in your post presidency. Thank you very much. Mr. Clinton thank you all. [applause]. The thrill of living well is in the pursuit. The pursuit of the rarest experiences. The pursuit of the finest products, the pursuit of quality in everything you do. And in all of these pursuits, you need the best intelligence to make the best decisions. We know that she sells for a lot, but what makes her important . It isnt easy. It is difficult work. 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