the pattern was noticed after review of u.s. policy on masking people whose community is our pick up incidentally. global news 24 hours a day powered by more than 2600 journalists and analysts in more than 120 countries. i am alisa parenti. this is bloomberg. ♪ caroline: i am caroline hyde. this is "bloomberg technology." coming up, child's administration cracks down on limited silicon valley's beloved visa programs with increased scrutiny. visa restrictions may drive top talent to other countries like india. we will dive into how the country might reap the benefits. tesla stock surges to an all-time high after it shows it is on track to meet him on goals.ambitious your end h-1b visas are commonly used by major tech companies in silicon valley to secure the best and brightest talent from around the world. critics of the program including president trump say the visas allow companies to bring in lower paid for and workers. immigration i services issued new guidelines. last month, the immigration department suspended a program that fast tracked processing for certain skilled applicants. joining us from palm beach, florida, anurag rana the author of multiple works. he has written extensively on h-1b visas and the tech workforce as well as diversity. thank you for joining the show. these changes we see, some last-minute, do you feel this is a tightening up of some of the eligibility or do you expect full-scale dismantling of the 20 reset -- h-1b visa. >> they are doing the same stupid things they did with the muslim ban applying it to h-1b visas. it does not make sense. they are locking out computer programmers. that means my students at carnegie mellon and stanford can no longer get jobs here. why do we want to lose these brilliant kids? they will go back to their home countries. it will hurt us. it will benefit the rest of the world. caroline: the average salary visasfor high demand h-1b is $72,000. many felt this needs to be driven higher to ensure this is not about getting cheaper tech talent in but the more educated and better tech talent into the united states. would you agree the h-1b could be changed? how would you advocate it be changed? >> the h-1b reset is flawed. the problem is the next up, the green card. when people apply for permanent resident visas, they are stuck in the loop. the easiest fix with the crime stoppers is to an tether -- untether the visa from the company. a they get someone offering higher salary, they can leave and continue over there. that would fix the problem in one fell swoop. why don't we do that? this way, there is no cheap labor anymore. caroline: is more about the green card. you have written on the immigrant exodus, why america is leaving the global race to catch entrepreneurial talent. people come to the united states, educate themselves, and are driven home. india and china are benefiting from the range rain going on? >> one way of measuring business to look at the number of unicorns. about 15 or 20 years. the only ones that existed were in america more or less. now you have about 100 of them in china and india. we have 80 or 90 in the united states. we are losing our advantage. we are losing our ability to build innovative companies because we are losing the talent. it is a brain-dead strategy frankly. caroline: have you done the research to show those being built in china and india are being built by u.s.-educated talent? could this be the way developing europe playing catch-up to silicon valley? >> i looked at the backgrounds of the managers of these companies. practically every company has returnees in their management teams which means we educated them and told them to go compete with us. they are the ones building these amazing companies. it would be such a loss to america. china has more innovative technology companies than the u.s. baidu is building better a.r. than apple. apple is copying designs of social media apps in china. it is copying china because china is innovating beyond what apple can do. it has to still from china to stay competitive. caroline: sad, changeable. how can we see tech talent fostered within the united states for those who grew up from the beginning in the united states? >> immigrants want to come to america. we love america. this is the place to be. if we allowed people to come here and give them visas, they would come. they would make americans compete. as long as there is not a salary disadvantage, competition is good for the country. the problem was when you have cheap labor, indentured servitude when people are tethered to countries -- companies. it would fix the range of problems. caroline: i will throw other problems that you because it is not cheap labor many people feel has undone manufacturing in the united states. many say the crux of the problem is automation. this is something you have written a lot about. what about the answers for the? ensureout educating to perhaps everyone can have a utopian view of the world rather than dystopian view as we go into robots taking everyone's jobs? >> that is discussed extensively in my book. technology is allowing us to solve the ground challenges of. humanity. robots can do the jobs of humans. every technology has good and bad. we could benefit from this if we led innovation and started training our workforce. we've got to train americans in using robotics. manufacturing is coming back to download states, except it is not the old manufacturing. it is highly automated, robotic manufacturing. we should be leading and implementing the technology. f that, we ne the bt and brightesfrom all over the world. policymakers say need to listen to this, educators need to listen to this, corporate leaders need to listen to this. are they? >> corporate leaders get it because they see the need for immigrants and new technology. policymakers are getting dumber by the day. it is sad to see what has happened to america. the i.q. level on capitol hill is decreasing every election it seems. this is a loss for the united states. the people get it. one of the preambles we are creating is a big gap between the haves and have-nots. not only in money but also in knowledge and education, experience, and social values. we are building two americas. people who are left out and getting angry and people not participating in innovation. your viewers are tech savvy. they get it. mar-a-lago has become trump territory and people do not want to listen. they are feeling left out and is and franchised. i discuss in the book that we need to figure out how to equalize. we need to offer the same technology to everyone to motivate them to be part of this whole thing. balanceto make sure we the dangers of technology with the good things. when they take our jobs away, that is bad. this is what we have to learn. caroline: do you advocate things like universal basic income, taxing robots to supply a safety net for those that do not want to be retrained? >> universal basic income is a critical ingredient of the solution. taxing robots does not make sense. my dishwasher is a robot. i don't think bill gates thought it out when he said that. a lot of thought needs to go into how we transition. a jobless future is coming. jobs will be eliminated. with self-driving cars in the next three or four years, a will replace -- they will replace taxi drivers and truck drivers. we will lose a lot of jobs that exist in manufacturing. able to do thei jobs of accountants and lawyers, we will lose jobs. doctors jobs will be lost. this is happening. we only have 10 years before it becomes a critical problem. we need 10 years to get ready. we need to rethink how society works. we need to start rethinking and sharing disparity of creating a level langfield everyone can participate. there's a lot to be done. that is what i talk about in the book which i hope you will read. caroline: indeed i will. there i suggest perhaps silicon valley does not remain the number one place anymore. perhaps the u.s. did not remain the number one place. where do you think your students are looking at actively? will be at the heels of the u.s. or china or india? which country is thriving the most as the u.s. loses the battle? >> they are going back to their home country. chinese students are going back to china. baidu has better artificial intelligence than apple. in china, they are doing gene editing where you edit living cells. china is leading the way. they are making all suites of advances. china might be ahead of the united states in that. in robotics, japan is doing amazing stuff. korea has self-driving cars. india is working on lunar lander's. as a company shooting to put a lunar lander on the moon. before, this was the only place it happened. , theon valley for tech u.s. was the center of gravity. now you can go most anywhere in the world. you can go to brazil and see the amazing stuff they are doing. you caniago, chilly -- go to santiago, chile. you can see innovation all over the world. we no longer have a monopoly. caroline: dare i say this is no longer a bad thing? >> is not a bad thing for the population of the world. , youu look at the rhetoric have u.s. government saying by closing the doors, we will make america great again. we are not going to make america great again. we will make america dumber. we will make it a third world country of the time we are done if we do not start realizing opportunity and how we are losing out on it. technology is advancing faster than we are keeping up with it. caroline: i will indeed read your book. thank you. google is changing its policies to end the crisis of its youtube unit. it is introducing a new system for standards on the video service and will expand its definitions of offensive content. a number of big advertisers quit spending after their eyes were running alongside videos that promoted hate and violence. johnson & johnson is reversing its position in most major markets. longtime, shares of apple supplier imagination technologies had the worst day ever after apple said it will be cutting ties with the ukraine-based -- u.k.-based chipmaker. this is bloomberg. ♪ caroline: since the u.s. election last year, criticism over fake news has reached fever pitch. a new initiative is being launched to advance news literacy. the program is being run by the graduate school of journalism and funded by facebook and other academic and tech leaders. the group is called the news integrity initiative and plans to back applied research and hold meetings with industry experts. imagination technologies is feeling pain. on monday, the chip designer announced apple would no longer be using its graphic technology in the next two years. the news sent shares more than --down more than 70%. apple is imagination's largest buyer providing more than half its revenue. joining us to discuss is alex webb who covers all things apple. i'm looking at the supply chain. i can see apple provided more than 50% of revenue. this is why we saw such a phenomenal move. >> it is the walmart effect. they walmart contract can make or break a company. it is the same thing in the electronics supply chain. if you get into the iphone, that is good news. on the flipside, the moment apple decides to take the contract away, you are in a pickle. caroline: the biggest move ever. what is interesting is apple is also a loser because it is one of the biggest shareholders of imagination technologies. >> apple is a loser of this since it is the third biggest shareholder in imagination. on the flip side, half a billion for apple on the books is small compared to the company. it is a $750 billion company. it will feel a little pain. equally, it is securing its supply chain. that means the margins it can generate from its phones are increased significantly. and that half a billion pounds apple might have lost will be money can be made up easily elsewhere. caroline: they can start making their own chips. this could end up in court. i think we should remember this is the only company [indiscernible] apple. it between apple and qualcomm recently. there's a difference between the people who make the chips and develop an license the technology. one of the implications of the press release was they expect apple will have to license some of the technology from them. apple has not made any comment. we do not know if that will be the case. there is an interesting dichotomy. if you are making and selling the chips, you get more revenue. but the licensing of chips is more profitable. there's something you will offset. investors think they know what direction that is going. there may be a certain retrenchment in terms of how that develops. caroline: the german-based chipmaker has similar dependency on apple. what do you do? try to diversify more? >> you take the low hanging fruit but look for other trees. diversification is the thing. this has been the problem with imagination over the last 18 months. they have been through certain trials and tribulations. they lost their founding c.e.o. there was an effort to try to pivot the company and ensure they are not as dependent on apple as they have been. it has not been successful quickly enough. they have two or three years or 18 months to try and find the plan b option. these graphics processor units will be something which hopefully there will be more demand for if you are an imagination investor. caroline: something the u.k. scene will want to resurrect itself. coming up, the entertainment industry is getting in on the vr craze. we will take you to china where one of the country's most famous film directors has big plans for the technology. a feature we would like to bring to your attention is our interactive tv function. you can find it on the bloomberg. we will be able to watch us live and see previous interviews and dive into any of the functions we talk about. this is for bloomberg subscribers only i am afraid. this is bloomberg. ♪ caroline: virtual reality is catching on in china. so much so that the country is opening its first br themepark headed by its most famous movie directors. a first-hand experience from beijing. impossiblertually not to see the potential of virtual reality immersed in a deep space killing spree. >> it is a combination of a movie and game experience. >> all you are really doing is walking around the basement. >> this is freaky. >> the venture is cofounded by one of china's most renowned film visionaries who may transform some of his most iconic work into vr. >> as a movie director, this technology is significant. you can be very imaginative. you can see color in 360 degrees. you can even interact with it. it opens up a whole new world. >> they want to open a new industry of vr theme parks around china. this 10,000 square foot venue is a pilot project to a larger themepark to be built this year. >> it was to become the universal studios of china because does backed by a wealth of intellectual property. >> shipments will grow sixfold this year from last surpassing the u.s. to be the world number one market by 2019. as many of china's smartphone makers rollout their own vr devices. this year is pivotal. the shakeout is already happening as venture capital shifts to content providers, away from the initial equipment makers. >> that is a whole nother world. down the rapid world -- rapid whole --rabbit hole. >> it is developing its own games and plans to have 10,000 vr arcades across china by year's and. >> the biggest challenges we do not have good enough content to get repeat customers. people play for 10 or 15 minutes but not longer. vr right now is best suited for companies that can afford it. >> there are a lot of applications you can customize. >> the industry is eager for a breakthrough. investors who left will swarm back. when everyone wants to be in vr, it will be too late. virtual movies -- space is always get them first -- space zombies get them first. caroline: coming up, future visa restrictions could drive top tech talent to other countries including india. we will be digging into the's growing-- country's tech landscape and how it could benefit from the visa reform. this is bloomberg. ♪ [ engine revs ] [ screams ] [ shouting ] brace yourself! this is crazy! 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[ screams ] alisa: i am alisa parenti and you are watching "bloomberg technology." let's start with a check of your first word news. russian president vladimir putin placed flowers at a makeshift memorial to honor the victims of the train explosion in st. petersburg. the explosive device went off inside a subway train. authorities say the blast killed at least 11 people. warsaw prosecutors have a clue -- accused russia of contributing to the worst tragedy in modern polish history according to the a.p. which says prosecutors cite new evidence from the 2010 crash that killed the president and 95 others. they concluded two air-traffic controllers and a russian official deliberately contributed to the disaster. search and rescue workers are trying to locate and remove bodies of people who died in the river overflow and mudslide last week. at least 43 children were among the dead. the national disaster management agency says the official death toll is more than 260. minister and the brexit secretary met today over tensions about the future of gibraltar after the state insisted it hold a veto any -- over any brexit negotiations. it was handed over by spain in the early 1700's. nicholas sturgeon says the u.k.'s refusal to negotiate a date for another independence referendum is untenable. she says the will of the scottish element must be respected. the u.k. says the referendum is not up for discussion will be brexit process is ongoing. global news 24 hours a day powered by more than 2600 journalists and analysts in more than 120 countries. i am alisa parenti. this is bloomberg. it is just after 5:30 in new york. already 2:30 morning in sydney. i'm joined by paul allen for a look at the morning -- markets. good morning. >> daylight saving ended in this part of the world. when it opens in about two and a half hours, we are expecting things to be weaker here following the u.s. lower. we are drifting away from the 5900-point barrier. things to what's today. trade balance is expected to come in stronger thanks to a resurgent iron ore price that month. the reserve bank board meets today. all 29 economists expect to stay on hold at 1.5%. in japan, futures looking mixed. softbank is aiming to close the first round of investments in the $100 billion vision fund. i am paul allen in sydney. more from "bloomberg technology" next. ♪ caroline: this is "bloomberg technology." i am caroline hyde. back to the story of the day. the h-1b visa application process has officially opened despite president trump's plan to further reform the program he says undermines american workers. joining us from new york is anurag rana of "bloomberg intelligence." i want to dig into the hasty changes made on friday to make it more tough to get in new computer programs. it is entry-level programmers that will be assessed more and have to vindicate their roles more. do you expect them to still be able to subscribe? >> yes. we were expecting tougher rules coming out of the new administration. we have not seen that. without knowing what can come in the future, i would expect a lot of technology companies will use this window to file for as many as they can. cap, it: 5000 being the could be faster than last year. give us what you are expecting in terms of tougher rules. there is talk about trying to put off the misuse of h-1b visas . >> from the different rules we have seen or different bills, the one about raising the minimum wage could have an impact on margins for the overall industry. if you just graduated from college, would it be possible for you to get a job at a company if the requirement is $100,000?000 -- that would put a dent on a new student graduating now. that is an issue. the other one came out a few years ago with something called targetedacement clause toward outsourcing companies which that if you bring an employee over here to work [indiscernible] we have not seen that kind of language come up in any other bills. could affecte that the model of outsourcing companies. caroline: something we will be digging in more with you i am sure. sticking with the h-1b visas, it was mentioned requirements companies have gone largely unchanged. while the changes may wait another year, president trump continues to be an advocate to reform the program. ultimately, the u.s. may hurt from future restrictions and other countries could reap the benefits. one of those countries could be india. joining us now for expert analysis, naren gupta. they have a heavy track record of investing in india. more than a decade or two? >> we have been there for more than 10 years. caroline: what are you expecting could happen? the tech talent coming here to be educated may not be able to remain. are you already benefiting from the brain drain? >> india is benefiting already. we are seeing a big outflow of talent. the top end of the talent in many cases back to india. it is greatly beneficial to india to have so many people go back. caroline: largely indian born who come here to be educated? are we seeing u.s. born looking at other tech hubs? >> most of these people were born in india and went to school in the u.s. maybe worked for a company and wanted to go back to india. the opportunity might be better for them. we do not see many people born in the u.s. go to india and work. i think that will change in the next five or 10 years. caroline: what about putting off those coming here to be educated or seek jobs? you came over to be educated in california. you had been originally educated in india. do you think it could stop people coming to the united states? >> i think what is stopping people coming to the united states is two things. there is some undergraduate schooling in india. the negative feeling created about immigrants in the u.s., people are saying is it worthwhile? it is hurting big-time. i think it will continue to hurt in a major way long-term. caroline: let's be optimistic. let's look at silver linings for clouds in these u.s. have. you have a multitude of portfolio companies and india. which sectors are hot? >> technology has been hot in india. if you look at the silicon valley startups, about 40% of indian founders. today, technology is global in nature. whether you are based in silicon valley or beijing, there is not much difference in what you are able to do. today, bill gates could have started his company in são paulo. it does not really matter because you are distributing globally. i think there's something to keep in mind. the entrepreneurials are very mobile. they can do anything anywhere. that might hurt. the u.s. needs to create an attractive environment for startups no matter where the people are from. caroline: are you starting to i spoke with the adobe executive and he said we will go where the talent is. will we see apple and microsoft with more satellites in countries like india and china to harness the right tech talent? >> they are doing that already. adobe has a few thousand employees. microsoft has upwards of 10,000 employees. ibm has more employees in india than anywhere else except the u.s. i think it is the right thing for companies to do. think the u.s. will stay the technology leader because there's financing here, there is a culture here, that can promote technology in a big way. the worlde the lead, is going to be a loser. it is incumbent on us to keep the u.s. on top. caroline: we have seen deep pockets from china going into indian startups. competitioning more coming not only from the u.s. but also china? >> china, yes. we see competition from them. competition is good for us. they are partners and competitors. i would say net-net it is a positive because they can fund companies in bigger ways and help us understand chinese and other global markets. i would say overall chinese coming into india is a plus. caroline: we will see how the competition commences. thank you very much. gupta, thank you for your time. verizon will introduce a new division this summer. this is around the same time the telecommunication giant expects to close deals. the a.o.l. c.e.o. announced the news on twitter saying the new unit will oversee more than 20 brands reaching more than one billion consumers. verizon is buying yahoo!'s assets for about $4.4 billion to expand into mobile media and advertising ventures. month up, it was a banner for tesla. details next. this is bloomberg. ♪ caroline: tesla stocks surged to a new all-time high after reporting first-quarter delivery figures that beat expectations and has vaulted the company passed one major u.s. automaker. take a look inside my bloomberg. go into your g library on the bloomberg. you will find it there. tesla's market cap overtaking ford. $48 billion or thereabouts. clearly, this monumental moment for the company. david welch joins us with more. how monumental should we be looking at this? these heftying targets for the first half can be met. is it all about optimism for the model 3? >> that is what is going on. sales were good. it is a sign the brand is strong. even the older models can sell which bodes well for the model 3 later this year. we are also talking about ford. there is an inflection point. opportunity to sell auto stocks, they do. last year was a record year. there was a big selloff even with car dealers like automation. everybody fled those stocks. tesla had a good quarter. the stock goes crazy. it is closing in on general motors. caroline: letcaroline: -- caroline: let's bring our viewers that again. $40as been rising up past billion. for dipping below $45 billion. it is gaining in the yellow. we have to remind ourselves that ford makes almost 100 times the amount of cars that tesla does. tesla opt out less than 80,000 vehicles last year. ford made 6.7 million. at what point should we be wondering whether this is indicating? >> this is a stop, tesla, the trades on hope. ford and gmr down because the market says it was as good as it will get a few months ago and it is probably not bad but it is not great. there is no growth. there is a bunch of hope in tesla that the model 3 will take off and the company will get cash flow positive and be profitable. at that point, the model 3 is going to be the thing that makes or breaks the company value because if they do not turn out the financial results after they showed the growth everyone has been hoping for, there is a good question of what we were waiting for. at some point, they do just become a car company selling and building automobiles. hiring people in factories to do all that. they've got to be up to stand on their own feet and not go to the market several times a year for money. caroline: exactly this worry about having to go to the market up withy is showing analysts not being too euphoric. stock mightou tesla be surging. analysts remaining cautious. we have negative sentiment as to where tesla's price target should be. they feel perhaps on average this should be lower. when do you think analysts might start to buy what elon musk is putting out on twitter, saying if you compare me to the past it is overvalued? he said today it represents risk-adjusted future cash flows. when can you take the analysts on board with that? >> a lot of them have been on board because they have price targets over $300. we are in the 290's today. they see upside in the stock itself. they will want to see some real cash flow. tesla has had some positive cash flow in quarters in the past. it has not been ongoing. that is why they have to keep going back to the market. the bottom line with the mobile and it may sell well probably will be more than $35,000, but it has to be cash flow positive to make the company cash flow positive to justify the valuations they are getting. that is what analysts are saying the wait and see attitude they have taken with the stock. caroline: we don't have much guidance as to how many model 3's elon musk wants to churn out over the next few years. already.oks on track >> that is the other big question for tesla. theyare close to 400 -- have close to 400,000 people that have put down deposits. they've had some quality issues with the vehicles they have built at lower volumes. these are things that mass carmakers do every day and are still good at -- and are good at and tesla has to prove out. caroline: we will see how the shares go. surpassing ford was a big day. david welch, thank you for the insight. we will dive into the world of sports betting and the technologies of bending -- up ending the industry. this is bloomberg. ♪ caroline: the final for the ncaa men's basketball tournament is set to tip-off monday night. this wraps up the three-week extravaganza which has become one of the hottest tickets on the u.s. sporting calendar. it has major tech implications. the american gaming association estimates $10.4 billion will be wagered on the event. i spoke with tom russell, general counsel. i asked what the success on betting march madness spells for the industry. interestedertainly as a company that has worked extensively in sports. what is interesting about the amount of money we are seeing it is on march madness is moving on unregulated markets. to give you some context, betting remains unregulated in the united states outside of a few examples. most of the money being bet is that offshore on offshore websites which means that money is outside of the united states. that raises a number of interesting questions. you cannot always tell where and how the money is being placed. that is different from the market in the u.k. were sports betting is regulated by the government. caroline: we are seeing it move offshore. a lot is online gaming. how much more predominant is it becoming? >> online gambling has grown hugely in the last few years. that is partly led by the new technology that allows in-game betting which is big in europe. something we at genius sports work on extensively. what in-game betting does is drive a huge demand for data. we at genius had developed data products where we can measure betting on sport. the only way you can have accurate monitoring on the amount of money is where you have regulation and transparency, something we have yet to see in the united states. , theine: more data we have more algorithms can play this. are we starting to see computers at work? are we starting to see artificial intelligence as well? >> absolutely. we have a product where we measure wealthy betting markets. rhythms without proprietary to genius sports. we measure what the actual betting markets are doing. that allows us to see whether there is unusual activity on the betting. we can identify real-time where the betting activity is deviating from the algorithm of what we expect. sports has a very accurate view of where there may be potential issues on the betting market. as i said earlier, the challenge for u.s. sports is there is not any regulation in the united states on sports betting. caroline: do you see any changes in the way the u.s. is looking to regulate this area? will we see sports genius coming to the u.s. are working more with the offshore betting? >> we are in conversations regularly with u.s. sports. i think it is something they are looking at constantly. the nba commissioner has been quoted as saying he thought some form of reading regulation was inevitable. other smart -- sport commissioners have made pronouncements they think the wind is changing in the united states. this is not something that will happen tomorrow. it will take time. as far as we are concerned, we see ourselves as vital to the sports industry. we can take the experience we have in europe and the united kingdom with a regulated market where we work with a lot of the large sports leagues. we can use that experience to help u.s. sports understand how they can best benefit from a betting regulated market. caroline: paint a picture for us of five or 10 years time in gaming online and sports gaming and betting in particular. how much it will be dominated by the algorithms, computers, the engineers who set up certain ways and means of making money? how much will it still be a human wanting to place a bit of money to make it more exciting? >> the majority of sports betting in europe and the united kingdom is still people betting. it is still mostly people wanting to enjoy the experience of betting on sport. i see that continuing in the united states as well. i think it is hard to predict in five years what the technology will look like. as far as sports are concerned, we are explaining to them this is a potential opportunity to increase fan engagement. it has to be to the benefit of sport. sports have to be at the center of any regulatory solution. done too be betting protect the integrity of sport. caroline: that was genius sports general counsel tom russell. that does it for this edition of "bloomberg technology." we will continue looking at tech .nvestment in india on this is bloomberg. ♪ ♪ announcer: from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: on thursday, lawmakers in north carolina rolled back the state's controversial bathroom bill. that is the law passed a little over a year ago that required transgender people to use the public bathroom of the gender that appears on the birth certificate. the backlash to the law began almost immediately. and it has had both economic and political ramifications. by one estimate, the law would cost the state $3.76 billion in lost business over a dozen years. it is also cited as a major factor in last y