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the controversy over kim jong-un's half-brother has brought controversy. some people are alleging he was killed by nerve agents. global news 24 hours a day powered by more than 2600 journalists and analysts in more than 120 countries. after trading, it is getting way in hong kong. an exciting session in china. have a look at tokyo. sydney at the close. ♪ ♪ caroline: i'm caroline hyde in san francisco. this is "bloomberg technology." coming up, tech versus the travel ban, the rematch. the president has revised his original executive order restricting immigration. how is silicon valley reacting? plus, the future of h-1b. the trump administration slams thebreak someone of text -- of tech'sne critical program attracting overseas talent. we will look into whether the snap ipo honeymoon could already be over. first to our lead. president trump takes a second crack at his controversial travel ban. the new executive order restricts entry to the u.s. for people from six predominantly muslim countries. iraq was removed from the first list. the language was amended to make clear visa and green card holders and dual citizens will not be denied entry. those were many of the points the tech industry took issue with the first time around. will we see the same opposition? at least one c.e.o. is speaking out again. he has tweeted barring people countryering our because of where they are from was wrong the first time around and still wrong. joining us now to talk about what happens next, bill danvers from the center for american progress is joining us. he has worked on national security for more than 30 years. thank you for joining us today. legal challenges, can there be any this time? bill: there certainly can always be legal challenges. that is why we have so many lawyers. i think they have tried to eliminate as many as they possibly can. but i am also certain there will be a hard look at whether or not this executive order can stand. people from silicon valley, people from elsewhere in the country, are very concerned this is not good policy. caroline: not good policy. what do you think some of the key arguments will be? there have been those allowed in with green cards and visas. what key arguments could they display? bill: think the key argument is, why are we doing this? there was a leaked memo from dhs saying, focusing on where a person is from is no indication of whether or not they are going to be a terrorist. there is an indication this will do absolutely nothing to deter terrorism. i think that was the whole purpose of the exercise of the e.o. in addition, the fact he has made some of these changes does not make a big difference in terms of counterterrorism policy. that is what this is ultimately about. they say when people come from a particular country, it takes a couple of years being here as legal residents to become radicalized. caroline: and also, it could be driving even more upset and distaste from around the world. already we are seeing a number of e.u. countries saying perhaps they will shut down the agreement to stop u.s. citizens being able to travel freely through the e.u. initial legaln argument at the moment. is this something you are expecting, retaliation worldwide? bill: i don't know that there will be direct retaliation. it is bad policy. 1.6 billion muslims in the world. the terrorist threat is something that affects all of us, including the 1.6 million muslims. we need to work with muslim communities in this country and abroad if we want to counter the threat. antagonizing muslims is not a good policy. caroline: getting to the heart of it from silicon valley's point of view and tech bepanies wherever they might , could this new executive order make it harder to lure in talent? bill: i think anytime you put roadblocks into talented people coming into the country, you are risking the fact they will not want to come here, that they will want to go elsewhere and we will lose a good pool of talent to help our country continue to be great. caroline: do you have any expectation of where we might start hearing challenges first? bill: tonight. caroline: tonight from? bill: i'm being a bit facetious. i think there will be a careful examination. i think there has been an expectation the e.o. would look like the one presented. i think the white house telegraphed it would not be changed all that much. at least in terms of the gist of it. i think lawyers have been pouring over this. i guess the attorney generals in the state of washington and the solicitor general from the state of washington, i am sure they are looking at it right now and considering next steps as i'm sure other attorneys general are as well. caroline: bill danvers from the center of american progress, stay with us. this think tank is at the center of a controversy. it is one of at least a dozen progressive groups allegedly targeted by russian hackers in a new wave of attacks. this is according to two people familiar with the investigation. the hackers are looking for embarrassing information from the groups and trying to extort hush money. this was broken by our cybersecurity reporter michael riley. fascinating story you put to us. can you give us the extent of your views in terms of the groups of sort of money they are to $150 million. attribution is difficult, but when we think the attacks are stemming from? michael: it is an adjusting phenomena. -- it is an interesting phenomena. one of the questions after the 2016 presidential election was, are russian hackers going to continue on some level to meddle in the u.s. legal system? i am not sure this campaign gives a full answer but it may give partial. it seems there are at least a dozen groups hit by hackers from russia. they have had emails and documents stolen. the hackers have looked for sensitive and embarrassing information and in many cases sent back examples with the ransom demand. the ransoms are not high. they are probably about $30,000 to $150,000. but they could be taking a page out of the 2016 presidential election where you saw political groups have a lot to lose by having internal communications exposed in some cases. it is possible this might have some element of state sponsorship to it. probably more likely is this could be a shakedown, criminal hackers looking to make some money. caroline: i want to bring back in bill danvers. it is alleged in the story your institution was hacked. the center for american progress has said we were not. we have a statement from that particular business. but i want to get your take. you worked with the department of defense. how concerning is it from a national security perspective these hacks continuing from russia? bill: obviously, i stand behind the statement. i think hacking is an issue. hacking is clearly an issue. x-dni klapper mentioned it -- clapper mentioned in the annual threat assessment he gives to congress the last few years. it is a concern. the good news is we have no evidence we have been hacked. we have no knowledge of it and no reason to believe it is true. cap has never been subject to ransom. that is good news at the moment. going forward, we need to be careful about these things. i'm glad we have the intelligence community focusing on it. caroline: mike, your story is a fascinating read. from a technology perspective, where are they finding the weak points? you mention a particular app, a microsoft one, being used? is it the sharing of documents allowing the hackers in? michael: increasingly, technology is an integrated part of our lives. we use it to share information and communications at all sorts of levels. not just through emails but all sorts of apps that are designed to make sharing easier. it turns out to be a bonanza for hackers. in this case, the hackers that were part of this campaign have basically found that you can use things like sharepoint, a system that allows web-based sharing of documents that hooks into microsoft office, as one way to harvest documents. if you can get the credentials of one person that has access, it is a version of sharing software, it can present a lot of access to a lot of documents. you saw this in the fall and summer when the source foundation or the foundation associated with george soros philanthropies had a system designed to share among a lot of recipients of grants, people proposing grants, and the staff. all the hackers had to do was get one set of credentials to that system, and they were able to harvest a huge amount of documents. caroline: a wake-up call for many and i'm sure more focus on cybersecurity going forward. mike riley, great story on the bloomberg and online. and bill danvers, thank you. one stock we are watching has to be snap. it appears some of the initial shine is wearing off. after surging more than 50% last week, shares fell 12% monday as analysts begin weighing in on the snapchat parent company's true valuation. check in on my bloomberg. i have it ready. analyst recommendations. five of the seven analysts who cover the company have a sell rating. two neutral. but seven and not one single buy recommendation. coming up, we speak to a leader in china's booming peer-to-peer lending space. how the company will fare among hefty regulations. that is next. this is bloomberg. ♪ caroline: the peer-to-peer lending industry is heating up globally. china rapid finance wants in on the action and is said to be affecting an initial public offering in the u.s. where it could raise $100 million as regulators impose limits on lending to individuals and companies after default and fraud ran rampant. how is the company adapting to the regulations and how are they looking to expand? joining us from new york is the founder and c.e.o. of china rapid finance. thank you for joining us today. 10 million loans you have put out. largest marketplace serving china's middle class. this could be something advertising for the investor base here. is now the perfect time to ipo? >> china rapid finance has tried to work with the regulators and develop our strategy to serve a huge untapped market in china. there are about 500 million people who do not have credit access, but they do have quality employment records, quality jobs. so china rapid finance has tried to leverage our secure technology to find a way to serve this huge untapped market. caroline: therefore, you have already made some success by the amount of loans you have put out. you said you might be eyeing a public market debut in the united states this year. could we see it come this year? zane: as a startup company, we are looking for all possibilities to fund our operations. we don't rule out any kind of possibilities. at this moment, we focus our efforts to develop our strategy to serve this huge untapped market because this market presents one of the largest untapped markets in the world. caroline: talk to us about if you did raise money, how are you developing that strategy? what is it you are pushing forward? regional expansion? developing the technology? some of the ai and machine learning? yeah. actually, not unlike in the u.s. market where the consumer lending based on credit bureau information, using credit information to assess people's willingness to pay, ability to pay, and stability. in china, we are opening the space not covered by banks. this population have quality employment records and good jobs. we are using the data available in the mobile and internet space such that we can form a prediction set using predictive selection technology to find good borrowers. potentially, we can help them get a start on our platform and build up their credit history. we provide affordable credit for the large amount of those people who do not have credit access. technology is the key. caroline: you have been doing fascinating work in terms of making sure, you have some novel ways of ensuring they are as credit worthy as you think. counting toothbrushes in houses i even read. talk about the regulatory environment, because there has been a push back by the chinese government. is this making your business more difficult to grow? is this something that eases pressure and competition? zane: you are right. regulators really tried to help the sector to grow. they protected the lenders and also protected the borrowers. we are working very closely with regulators trying to develop a strategy to help the vast majority of borrowers, provide them affordable access to credit. on the other hand, we also work with regulators to provide good access to investment opportunities for qualified investors. working with both ends, working with regulators. caroline: maybe we might see you list in 2017 in the united states. whatever happens developing the strategy, china rapid finance c.e.o. zane wang, thank you for joining us. coming up, and analyst is betting on growth in amazon's groceries business. we will hear from him in a new report. that is next. and i want to draw your attention to a new feature on the bloomberg. interactive tv function. you can find it at tv . you will not only be able to watch us live but also see previous interviews and dive into any functions we talk about. you can become part of the conversation by sending us instant messages during our shows. this is for bloomberg subscribers only i am afraid. check it out at tv . this is bloomberg. ♪ caroline: one stock to watch, gopro shares tumbled to a record low in monday trading after goldman sachs became the second firm in two days to recommend selling the stock. they cited market situation and an inability to attract a more mainstream audience. shares fell to less than $8 a share on monday. the company sold shares for $24 apiece in the 2014 ipo. maybe not always great to be a camera company. amazon's bet on its grocery business should pay off according to research. that is according to cohen and company. amazon's growth in food delivery will allow the internet giant to go from the ninth largest retailer to the third largest by 2021. joining us from new york is john blackledge, managing director. a great read if you're digging into analysis. i am a brit. i love my online grocery shopping. we do it all the time. i've done amazon fresh in the united kingdom and in the u.s. as well. i am surprised how little dominance online grocery shopping has in the united states. john: it is a great point. in the u.s., it is a $1.3 trillion market retail. it is only like 6% online. food and beverage is about $800 billion. consumables and household goods is $450 billion. only about 6% penetrated online. what we saw in the u.k. is a great example. we think adoption will continue to go up. in the u.s. last year, about 12% of consumers bought groceries online. 20% of adults 25-34 bought groceries online. out,en you draw the line we think the millennial cohort will drive online grocery in the u.s. the new proprietary info in the u.k., 34% of u.k. consumers bought groceries online in 2015. another third said they were likely to. it is three times the adoption in the u.s. i think that bodes well for u.s. adoption. the u.k. is just well ahead. caroline: in the u.k., the likes of tesco dominates. then comes amazon. how much a piece of the pie will amazon eventually own in the united states? john: your lead-in was exactly right. we think it is the number nine player right now overall in grocery. we think it will be number three by 2021. the reason is they are attacking it in multiple ways. number one is through prime. there are 50 million prime households in the u.s. -- 1-2ow, the one-to our hour delivery service, then amazonfresh, in addition to pantry and the dash button. they are also going physical with the amazon go store which is in beta in seattle now. they will also be doing grocery pick up. one thing we noticed last year, amazon's overall global fulfillment group 33%. -- grew 33%. some of these platforms i mentioned, we saw accelerating growth. amazon fresh added 10 markets. they were at 20 at the end of 2016. they started 2016 with 10 total markets in the u.s., so it was a big acceleration. prime now in 29 markets in the u.s. it covers about 58% of u.s. gdp. we think about 5 million prime households bought goods on prime now in any month last year. the biggest selling items on prime now are groceries, personal care products, and household goods. they are attacking it multiple different ways, which they should because it is so big. caroline: who will lose out? walmart? john: who will lose out? yeah. walmart is number one right now. we think they will be number one in five years. they have a huge lead. we just think amazon will consolidate the space like they are doing in a locked of ash -- lot of other verticals. there is definitely a share shift going on, partially consolidation and partially some of the leading players will give share. caroline: john blackledge, always great to get your opinion and analysis. thank you for joining us. coming up, president trump's latest executive order puts the brakes on h-1b visas. what this means for silicon valley attracting top tech talent. check us out on the radio. you can listen on bloomberg radio. this is bloomberg. ♪ >> it is 1:30 in hong kong. here is an update of your top stories. north korea says u.s. military drills to the south are driving toward nuclear disaster. accused the-- they u.s. of doing drills. to a draft, they g-20. pledge for the survey that saudi arabia's valuation may be overstated. it was valued at between one trillion dollars. sources in the u.s. say russian hackers are trying to extort money from progressive groups. an fbi investigation was launched after at least a dozen groups received ransom letters. demands range from $30,000-$150,000. global news 24 hours a day, powered by more than 2600 journalists and analysts in more than 120 countries. let's get a market check. here is juliet. >> it is a little bit mixed across asia. you have to negate down a 31%. a you have the nikkei down third of 1%. some strong movement coming from korean equities today. 1% as there 7/10 of has been a huge inflow of foreign investigators -- investors in that market. hong kong is up half of 1%. some solid moves coming from shares today. some good movement coming through from property players. australia has close higher by a 31%. the other focus was the aussie dollar. have a look at this seldom you saw in the aussie dollar when the decision was handed down. they have recouped some of the losses and it is up about half of 1% at the moment. korean oneok at the -- yuan, as well. this is bloomberg. ♪ caroline: this is "bloomberg technology." i am caroline hyde. our top story this hour, president trump's new executive order on travel. the order will restrict entry into the u.s. by people from six predominantly muslim countries. iraq is no longer on the list. syrian refugees will be treated like other refugees. the announcement is more onerous in certain areas, with the suspension of the 15-day premium h-1bssing program for pieces -- visas. this to findy uses the best and brightest talent. joining us is michael solomon. the firm hires for google and ebay. how important in the fast track process for h-1b visas, how widely is it used? michael: it is broadly used. i believe what we are looking for right now is the beginning of a dismantling of this program. i think that will work counter to the administration's goals, which is unfortunate. caroline: we discussed the h-1b visa the last time you joined the program. we knew there were key issues at the heart of it. sometimes it is misused by certain companies. how could it be improved rather than dismantled as some are worried about? michael: one of the things we talked about the last time i was here was the idea that we can increase the threshold for hiring. rather than a $60,000 minimum, move that to $120,000. the companies who need to bring in foreign talent because they cannot get people here can easily afford to pay twice what they are paying now. they can afford to pay much higher fees. that is good for the government. that is good for the economy. it will not take away jobs from people here because if people here are qualified for jobs at lower prices, they will take them. the problem with what is proposed now is as you reduce the number of tech talent that comes in, all you do is increase the pricing for those here. it will not create a lot of new jobs. caroline: how are your clients reacting? are they trying to find talent ahead of any sort of cut back? we know it starts in the beginning of april. they are allowed their new allotment. how are they trying to maneuver? michael: i think everybody is sort of frozen now. we have seen the beginning of the administration make bold moves and then retracting from them. i believe what we are observing now is everybody trying to understand what the changes are, how quickly they will roll out, and how it will impact them. the announcements just made are being digested as we speak. i think we will see what the tactics are. the truth is, for a lot of companies relying on expedited visas, they will have a serious shortfall and have to deal with the fact they will have to find local talent and it may not be the right talent. or what may be worse is they may move those roles offshore completely and we are all losing out. caroline: are you already starting to see or hear that from client? -- clients? michael: it is a simple equation. when you have a job and cannot find people here and cannot bring people here to do it, you will get it done somewhere else. caroline: which countries do you think are being looked at, at the moment? michael: india comes to mind first because they have a large population of educated people. but i hear, especially as you look in the data science and realm, i hearng more about eastern europe and russia in particular. there are other places in eastern europe that have large swaths of tech talent. we will see these jobs in the -- these jobs and the tax base going other places because somebody has got to do the work. caroline: have you seen openings piling up? is the talent crunch upon us? at the moment, we have a freeze going on. are you seeing it being demonstrated? michael: i believe the talent crunch has existed for years and will continue to exist for years. i have not seen something happening in the last few months that makes it much worse. but i do think we will see as the effects of this policy come into play, we are going to see rising prices. that is the first thing we are going to see. companies will pay more for jobs they were paying less for prior. caroline: michael solomon, stick with us. another story we are watching, amidst falling morale, uber employees are starting to explore exits from the company. that is according to a report from "the financial times." last week, two executives resigned and the company continues to draw scrutiny of its every move. how does being under such a microscope impact employees? i want your take on this. is there an uber exodus at the moment? are you seeing a pool of talent coming from that business? michael: i think we will see big changes as a result of what is going on at uber. there are a couple of things you have to note. when a company has a misstep, everybody can be forgiving and acknowledge all management make mistakes. when you have a second misstep, there are more people that start to question if this was a one-time anomaly or failure of management. when you have a third and fourth misstep within two weeks, you will see fallout. you will see people leaving, lots of discussion about management culture changes. and you will see people ready to go. there is no shortage of jobs for these people. caroline: does it still look like a good place to work? is it putting people off applying for jobs there? when you have people leaving, do they want to brag they were there? michael: funny you should ask that. we have a returning client to us who has uber in his experience. as somebody he has done work for in the past. we had a very long discussion about whether that is something we should list right now. i will say when we started the discussion two weeks ago, it was an absolute yes with me saying clearly this is a big, strong company. the fact you have done work for them is a good thing. no one will hold you responsible for mistakes management made. but as the stories of the last two weeks have continued to unfold and it seems like for ble after foible, you start to question that. i still think it is worthwhile to list it as a company. it is an amazing platform and amazing technology. if you helped to build it, i hope you are proud of it. from a management standpoint, i think that is a hard line to walk. caroline: fascinating it may be less of a bragging right now. what about the lack of ipo? you mentioned the scandals go on. is it also the fact there is potentially no end in sight that could be disenfranchising the employee base? as michael: people are holding out hope for an ipo. and management has said recently they are hoping to hold it off as long as possible. i'm sure this week more than ever they want to push it far into the distance. the other thing you have got to weigh is the employees, if they choose to leave pre-ipo, they have significant financial considerations. if they are going to leave, they are often required to exercise their options which could be very expensive and make that choice a very difficult one. caroline: michael solomon, great to get your viewpoints and expertise. founder of 10 x management. thank you for your time. a story we are watching. french citizens living abroad will not be able to post online in the upcoming french elections. the government said ballots will only be allowed in person due to the threat of cyberattacks. this is a separate vote from the upcoming presidential election in france, in which internet voting was never allowed. coming up, the samsung scandal continues. jay y. lee allegedly has conspired to create fake documents. all the details ahead. this is bloomberg. ♪ caroline: south korea's special prosecutor says the samsung scandal continues to reveal "chronic corruption." this time, prosecutor accuses jay y. lee and another executive of conspiring to create fake documents to mask millions of dollars in bribes that went to a confidant of the south korean president. lee has been in jail since his arrest last month and the company rejects the accusation. joining us from hong kong, tim culpan. it is interesting. how much is this starting to affect the business? i am reading they are dismantling the corporate strategy unit which is perhaps where they have been investigating. tim: i think that could be one of the most significant changes coming out of the scandal. one thing that has made samsung strong is the central planning office they have that you mentioned where high-level decisions can be made on the future of the company, where they should be in the next 10 years, how to allocate resources, where to invest funds, how to raise money or whether to raise money. what happens is you can have that central planning authority in the company and they can decide, we know we need to double down on chips, so we are going to invest more money in chips and scale back on smartphones or whatever else. when you divide the company down to its component parts, the individual c.e.o.'s of those divisions want to expand and boost their own businesses. when you take out that central planning organization, you can possibly lose that long-term strategic view for the company. i really think that is going to be a very big risk for samsung in the long-term. caroline: what is so fascinating, i'm looking at my bloomberg screen showing me samsung electronics shares are at all-time highs. we are continuing to see the rally. are investors not reacting to the concern about corporate strategy? tim: yeah, it is amazing. think of all the things that have happened to samsung. apart from this, the battery crisis last year and even washing machine problems as well. samsung shareholders are shrugging it off. they don't seem to care much. maybe they don't see there is any real business risk to this ongoing problem. maybe they feel it has already been priced in and it is time to buy back into the stock. you are right. they are shrugging it off and moving on. caroline: have you been looking into reports that we may see a delay in the galaxy s8 and plus? is that something we should read or -- read in, or do they keep these businesses distinct? tim: i would be guessing if there was any delay, it would not have anything to do with the drama going on. it would be a product thing. despite the importance of the strategic offices, the divisions run autonomously in many ways. they do what they need to do. they have great engineers and salespeople to get a product out. if anything, it will be an abundance of caution to make sure they do not have technical problems like they did with the galaxy s7 note. that would be more likely than any problems in the legal sphere. caroline: i'm going to delve into another key area of their -- your expertise. are looking at asia and the potential sale of toshiba's memory chip unit. you have been writing this might be the right time to get rid of it. tim: exactly. i'm one of the many people who feel it is a jewel in the crown given they have this nuclear scandal going on hurting their financials. they will have to take a loss on it. in the gadfly column i wrote in last 24 hours, i argue the issue for toshiba and the chip business is we may be hitting peak memory. they are making the most prevalent chips. it is a commodity chip. what we are seeing in china is a lot of competitors spending a lot of money to build capacity, incredible amounts of money, billions of dollars over the next few years to build capacity. in a commodity business like memory chips where there is a lot of extra capacity, oversupply can lead to falling prices. it becomes this vicious cycle of lower prices making it difficult to make profits. ironically, one of the ways you have to deal with that is to turn out more chips to create revenue to cover the depreciation costs. there is a big risk to anyone in the memory industry over the next years as all the new supply comes online in china in the next 2-4 years. this may be a great time for toshiba to get out of that business and sell it to somebody who wants to be in the business. caroline: maybe toshiba hoping foxconn and other potential buyers are not reading your column. i urge everyone else who is viewing to do so. thank you very much. on today's funding board, jay-z is adding to his repertoire. his company is launching a startup platform called "arrive." the fund will focus on investment in early-stage startups as well as private companies. jay-z has long been interested in the tech scene having invested in it. he is also the co-owner of the music streaming service tidal. tomorrow, the former bank of england governor joins as a guest host. don't miss that conversation starting at 6:00 a.m. new york time, 11:00 in london. coming up, the fake news saga continues. it is now google snippets under fire. we will explain. this is bloomberg. ♪ caroline: the fake news saga continues. google under fire as featured snippets appear to be flawed. it comes when it continues to source to expand from a of links to a source of answers. does the tech giant need to do a crackdown on the problem? joining us from california, danny sullivan. thank you for joining us. we saw this engulf facebook. they were scrutinized for fake news around the election. how does this compare for google? danny: it is different in that you do not get the viral component to it, it will not spread quickly across google in the way it will facebook. it still has important repercussions because you have people who will turn to google to understand if something is true, if they search and get an answer that tells them yes republicans are nazis, so might come away with preconceptions reinforced. caroline: they really are quite shocking, some of the false answers they shine a light on. the unnerving element to all of this is barack obama being claimed to be the king of the united states. that is not as a worrying but when it does involve extreme elements and seems to give it some element of truth, how does google go about fixing this? danny: it will be a challenge. on any given day, they might be doing 750 million featured answers. that bash --mans human vet any of that. it is possible they will try to improve the algorithm to get more authoritative sites. but even then, in one example, when you would ask if donald trump was paranoid, google did as a featured answer he was paranoid and mentally ill. many people might want to agree with that. it was not from a medical doctor but coming from a respected publication being featured that way. it is a challenge to figure out how you come up with good answers and not put these specialized boxes around things that are controversial or in question. caroline: talking of donald trump, are you expecting him to weigh in on this? will alphabet be bracing themselves? danny: you never seem to know what donald trump may do. i would expect if some publication found one of these things and did not like it, they might write about it and he might read about it at 4:00 a.m. and do a tweet. he has been critical of google in the past when he saw people saying they were skewing searches to favor hillary clinton. that was not the case but he believed it and gave criticism to them. i'm sure he would be happy to criticize them again. caroline: with search engine land, fake news was leveled at the youtube element of alphabet. how are we seeing internet companies fight back? have the steps taken been enough? danny: google has taken some steps in trying to curtail advertising. there is some question about whether they need to do more and if what people believe was going to be pulled back on fake news really was fake news. i think the bigger challenge is the internet is full of lies and misconceptions. despite all of google's machine learning and algorithms, it is difficult to know what is the truth, especially when you get into controversial things. they may have to revisit the best way they present stuff. in the past, we were largely protected because you would get 10 different results. it was left to the human to be critical. when you have a voice spoken it -- spoken device like google home that gives you one answer, much more difficult. caroline: danny sullivan, thank you for joining us. great little bridge on the left of your screen. in this edition of the out of this world, blue origin is expected to give an update this week on the long-term goal of building rockets powerful enough for deep space travel. this is the company founded by jeff bezos. according to the "wall street journal," the company announced customers and new initiatives. jeff bezos is slated to speak tuesday in washington. that does it for this edition of "bloomberg technology." you can always follow us live streaming on twitter. this is bloomberg. ♪ anna: revised travel ban exempting green cardholders. we had to the middle east for reaction. the presidential candidate wins support from the republican party after calls for him to step aside a miss any criminal probes. anna: carmichael's and the new world order. the trump trade and breakfast. brexit. ♪

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