office. joining me is molly ball, staff writer of the atlantic, where she covers u.s. politics. we are pleased to welcome her back to this program. this president did speak today to coast guard graduates and said -- and complained he's been treated worse and more unfairly than any politician in history. molly: that is right. in an apparently scripted commencement address to the graduates of the coast guard academy the , president complained about the way he is being treated. it's clear and i think sources inside the white house's will to you this, he is angry, he is lashing out, but he continues to see himself as the victim of an unfair process, an unfair media, unfair bureaucracy that he believes is out to get him even as he has more or less confirmed some of the most damning aspects of these allegations against him. jeff: we talk about potential staff shakeups inside the white house. molly: that's right. there is so much uncertainty in the white house it's very , chaotic. nobody on the staff knew this was coming and they don't know what could be the next shoe to drop -- not to add another metaphor a new can of worms is , opened every day. you referred to it as damage control, but there is no controlling the damage. it seems to be out of control. they can't even put together a consistent attempt to explain what's happening because of the fear that the president himself will simply step on that rationale in his next tweet or interview and another damaging story may be coming out that completely blind-sides them. jeff: one notion you seem to be hearing more about these days, from mitch mcconnell, talking about less drama from the white house. there is this notion about unsustainability, that some are bringing up here, that this continued chaos may not be possible to maintain forever. molly: there is that sense, but on the other hand, nobody knows how this ends. nobody knows where this is going. it's hard to imagine all of the things that are now under investigation simply resolving themselves and going away, but it's also hard to imagine something like impeachment or resignation. neither of those seem to be in the cards. i was talking to some staffers on the republican side of the house of representatives today, saying, does it feel like a dam has broken? does it feel like something has got to give? the person said no, that's overselling it. people are hanging on by their figure nails. -- finger nails. i said, how does the story end? this person spent a lot of years working on the staff, he says it -- ends like "reservoir dogs," everybody dead on the floor. jeff: let's talk about james comey. he is eager to speak public. when will it happen and how soon will it happen? molly: we don't know. the house and senate intelligence committees have both requested the actual documents that were referred to in "the new york times" story yesterday. the memo that they did not physically have, but other news organizations have confirmed that. you have the house and senate intelligence committees saying we want to see these documents we want all the information. , at this point, they are just requesting the documents every chaffetzen you have saying if they do not get everything they want, they will issue subpoenas. comey apparently wants to testify publicly. that was why he turned down the request to testify privately. we don't know when that will happen. jeff: these contemporaneous notes that james comey took as has been discussed, it's something he's done for a long time. one would suspect that there are a good number of them out there. molly: yes, it has been reported that comey kept detailed notes on every conversation he had with the president, in part to protect himself if there were ever questions about presidential interference. partly because of that fear of the appearance of interference, he did not share these encounters with others at the bureau. but he memorialized them in written notes. this is standard procedure throughout the fbi. fbi agent's notes are considered admissible in court. this is a widespread practice to keep accounting of conversation so they can be referred to later. not unifiedis one republican message right now. paul ryan said, he wants to get the facts, but it is clear people are out to hurt the president. that is different than john mccain, saying of this is a scandal of watergate size proportion. molly: it is every man for himself right now. republicans i speak to say, they feel there is no leader to look up to. they are not seeing leadership or messaging somebody they trust , to protect them politically. they are making different calculations. they are making political calculations, personal calculations about whether or not they trust or believe these reports, or trust and believe in the president. i would say there is definitely more skepticism of the white house in private and behind the scenes than has been voiced publicly and there is definitely more on the senate side than in the house where there is more members who are sympathetic to the president. but even among those members in congress who are troubled by the president's allegedly conduct, many still feel like the best thing to do politically would be to strap in and fight. to say this is our president, , this is our team, we have to stand up for him and, believing that he still enjoys the support of the vast majority of republicans, the base voters, feeling that is the thing they have to do politically. jeff: is there a sense that if any republicans were standing in the sidelines to a certain extent and not getting on the record about some of this that they may need to say more? molly: they would like nothing more than to be left alone at this point, but we keep asking them. every republican member of congress or the senate is getting a call from their local press or is being accosted in the halls of the senate by reporters wanting to know, what is your stance on this? paul ryan was asked in his morning press conference this morning, does he still have confidence in the president? he said yes and ran out of the room. he was done with questions and looked uncomfortable. anybody who watched his level of comfort with trump during the campaign recalls this particularly pained expression on paul ryan's face. there is a lot of worry that this will come down on them. there is a lot of worry that this will have political consequences, possibly up to and including democrats taking the house of representatives in 2018 and being in a position to begin those impeachment proceedings. jeff: where does the white house want folks to focus right now? molly: i think they would like the image to be of a president that is in control. a president that is going out there and impressing the world. he has a number of multilateral conferences on this trip, so it's a chance for him to be among other world leaders to project a sense of stature in the world. the original idea behind this foreign trip was to some degree, to normalize a white house that was already on shaky ground, even before the comey firing and all of that stuff started happening. trump, since he was elected, set the world off-balance and away that some in his camp see is a good thing. but it has been disruptive and caused a lot of doubts in the minds of our allies and enemies alike. the foreign trip was seen as a way for him to take his rightful place on the world stage, project a presidential aura, give assurances where they are needed, and then, very importantly, since he is visiting these places of religious significance, to make a policy statement about where this white house stands on these issues of religious freedoms and religious tolerance. jeff: there was the kissinger meeting that was the same day as the meeting with the russian diplomats. much has been discussed about that, about what kind of preparation that was for the president. -- it he had apparently is an unfathomable, weird coincidence that henry kissinger was at the white house had the same meeting with the russians that has come under such scrutiny. this appears to be part of his crash course in international relations. he is attempting to educate himself. you'll hear from his friends that he is not a man with a large attention span and a man who fancies himself more about the big picture than a lot of minute details. so he can be a difficult person to brief. but he was attempting to get up to speed on stuff. never having been in politics, he had really only seen through his lens as an international is -- international businessman. kissinger and a number of others were coming to the white house and giving him advice. molly: molly, thank you so much. molly: thank you. ♪ >> gisele bundchen is a supermodel, mother of two, and wife of new england patriots quarterback tom brady. she is an environmental activist and advocate. she recently teamed up with author and entrepreneur paul hawkens about a new book he's edited called "drawdown". it is to reverse global warming. they have a deep concern for the health of our planet. they are optimistic that things can change. charles spoke with them earlier this month. here is that conversation. bundchen spent much of her life at the height of the fashion world. the 36-year-old mother of two and wife of nfl quarterback tom brady retired from the broadway. she is advocating for the environment and her business career. she is teamed up with paul isken's, the book "drawdown." here is the book, the most comprehensive plan ever proposed to reverse global warming edited by you. nobody is aiming for it, we wanted to aim for the goal. most if not all of the climate , rhetoric is about reduction, mitigation, slowing and even stopping stabilization. it is not about reversal. charlie: you have 100 ways to do that? the: we mapped and modeled most comprehensive solutions. it has never been done before. we've done the math on what is going to happen if we don't attend to the rise in greenhouse gases. it is excellent science. we have never modeled and done the math on the most substantive solutions to global warming. i know you love the planet and care about the planet. how did you come together with paul? gisele: i had the opportunity, the pleasure, to meet paul. we were in a group of friends that all felt that we have a responsibility in service, using whatever gift we have to make the world a better place to do , our part. paul came to one of those meetings. my friend, which was working with paul said listen paul is , going to make a presentation about drawdown. he spoke to us for about two hours and when he was finished, i was so inspired, i felt like i received a boost of energy. all we hear, it is, we are doomed, it is the end of the world, we cannot fix it. years of living dangerously, a documentary about the climate. people are focusing on the negativity aspect of things. everyone knows that fear paralyzes people. it's not something that instigates people to move forward and create change. when we are inspired, we can create something. charlie: this book inspired you to have goals? gisele: yes. someone is actually addressing solutions, focusing on the solution instead of the problem. how are we going to change being aware of how to solve the problems. that's where we need to put our energy to. where we put our energy is what grows. if we are focusing on the problem, then the problem grows. if you focus on the solution, the solution grows. i am a person who likes to focus on a solution. when paul offers the solution, he tells us the studies in the book and i said how can i help? , that's why i'm here. charlie: you were impressed by the book and wanted to share your enthusiasm. i felt like knowledge is power and the information needs to get out. the more people that have access, hopefully they can be as inspired as i am and there can be wonderful, tangible solutions that we can focus on. we can really do this thing. we can make this happen. i wanted people to feel inspired and focus on the real solutions because i love life. i love our planet, it's the only home we have. i want to make sure it's here for a long time. charlie: how did you come to that? this idea of getting involved in saving the planet? gisele: we are nature, not separate from nature. i believe we are spiritual beings having a human experience. i believe planet earth is a spaceship. let's put it that way. we are a blue dot in space. there are billions of other star systems and planets, we don't know what life is out there, but we do know that we are on this planet and we are all in this together. in this spaceship, life is very fragile. all the different beings that inhabit this planet, every animal, every plant, every organism is necessary to keep this spaceship floating the way it is and keep us alive. charlie: if everyone who read this book has this same fervor -- readsthis book has this same fervor has.gisele paul: no one else can be like gisele. if she is unique in the universe. what happened in the first week it went to number , nine in the new york times best seller list. no book on climate or the environment has done that in 25 years. how did he do that? it did not do it through publicity because it had none. people bought multiple books. they buy the book and evangelize. that's something we've noticed. charlie: the reason is because this book offers something different, or they waiting for some -- to hear something optimistic, that it's not too late? paul: it's what gisele is talking about. we have been inundated with gloom and stress and fear. this problem has been restated and overstated. charlie: but there is a reason to have fear. if we don't do something. paul: absolutely. problem statements are wonderful. but once you have a problem statement, what do you do? the reason people are responding to it is because for once, there is scientific, grounded, corroborated, peer-reviewed of the 100 most substantive solutions. charlie: give me the five most important solutions you see. paul: we don't see it. we are 240 people collaborating. is not a list in terms of priority? paul: all the carbon data is from international institutions. what we did, is we gather this data. our research scientists, and we are reflecting it back to the world, what it knows. the top five are there and i would be happy to talk about them, but it's not what i see, it's what we know as a world. as international industries, academics, universities, at the u.n., and scientists. it gathered what humanity knows and is reflecting it back to humanity. charlie: is this becoming a crucial part of your life? gisele: yes. charlie: is this something you are becoming more and more an advocate to do something? gisele: 100%. if not me, then who and when? we have a limited amount of time here. i believe that we come back many times. charlie: you believe we come back many times? gisele: i believe we are spiritual beings having a human experience. if we look beyond our human experience, we are having an experience. we get to have relationships and experience all the emotions that we get to experience, eat the food from the trees live on , this amazing planet. i want to use whatever tools i have been given because we are always learning. we will be learning until we take our last breath. all of us, hopefully. the more i learn, the more i want to share what i learned. i have a platform. it's my responsibility, i feel. it's my responsibility as a citizen, as a human being, and i want to make information -- knowledge is power. the more people have access to information, the more they can make their own decisions about what is a truth for them or not. i think everybody has do their own work because we are all here even though we are relating to each other, we each have our own process. we each are doing our own lessons. charlie: paul, how do you define yourself? environmentalists, entrepreneur, journalist? paul: i take them all. i am always learning. warather came out of the and noticed soldiers knew what they wanted to do when it went to school, they were not having parties, they were focused. i grew up around the university. he said education begins when you leave school. i took him at his word and left school and have been educating myself ever since. one of the joys of writing books and being an author is that you are learning. like what gisele was saying. to write a book, and you read about 500 pages for every page you write, so you absorb all this information and translate -- and coalesce it in a way that makes sense to a reader and enhances or inspires something they did not understand or know. for me it has always been a baseline. charlie: it's been 10 years since an inconvenient truth, the al gore film and book. why haven't we done more? paul: the science is impeccable from intergovernmental power and climate change. 2.5 billion data points since the last assessment. it is the most magnificent scientific achievement humankind has ever achieved or undertaken. however, the communication of this planet to the greater populace has been miserable. it has focused on death and gloom. the idea that we will get people to act if we scare them has not worked at all. you take doom and gloom and then shame people. how they live or how they do not live, you get numbness, indifference, and you get people saying -- charlie: if we do not do something by 2050, we are in a bad place. paul: we are doing something. it says the most comprehensive plan ever to rude -- to reverse global warming. it is the first plan. there has been no plan up until now. second, we did not make the plan, we found the plan. every solution in there that we modeled is failing, it is well in hand, practical. we know how to do it, we know the cost, we know the losses of doing them. we make a profit doing this. charlie: you ask a series of questions, including, what is the cost associated with these solutions? carbon, andeled the economics. data, paysed on walls, all the economic data we can get. and we looked at the cost and what would be the net savings over 30 years. is, in these 80 solutions we modeled economically, over 30 years the net savings is between $15 trillion and $17 trillion. charlie: it's solar, it's wind. paul: let's go back. solar is actually not in the top five solutions, but wind is. the number one solution is managed our refrigerants. co2. more powerful than the second most powerful or impactful solution is onshore winds. the third most impactful solution is to reduce food waste. these numbers were such a surprise. we were shocked, we were stunned. we did not have a horse in the race. we had a race and wanted to know how to work it out. charlie: what is your role in this? gisele: i want to use whatever ability i have to bring attention to things i feel are important and paul's work. , i feel this is the kind of information that the world needs. those kinds of solutions. we need to implement them and how will we implement them if we do not know about them? i am part of the advisory board, but i am learning so much from paul. as i am learning, i want to share what i learn. that is why i am here. charlie: here is something about your native brazil. beef production in brazil is a responsibility for deforestation in brazil. gisele: yes, it does. in my home, we have a mostly plant-based diet. charlie: why is that? a because we feel better and it is better for our health. your body is your vimplecom and everything we put in our body has an affect on us. charlie: and your husband says, unless i have this plant-based diet, i would not be the player i am? i would not have the career at 39 that i do. gisele: he's only 40, right? [laughter] he has been feeling so much better i have to say. , it's amazing the way he feels. he has so much more energy. we have been together for 10 years. we have been very conscious. we grow our food. charlie: was this an initiative by you? do you influence how your husband and children feel about a plant-based diet and other things? gisele: yes, but they love me. charlie: so he has his career, to thank you? gisele: no, he has to think his commitment. he still has to want to do it. you can offer that option to him, but he still has to eat it. and he loves it. in the beginning he was a little bit -- we were experimenting so , i was giving him raw foods because i like to eat that way sometimes and i like to eat seasonal, what is only growing in local farms whatever is close , to me. that is one of the solutions. it's about eating locally and seasonally. so when we started with that, he in the beginning, it was a little different for him. now he loves it and wouldn't have it any other way because it feels better. -- because he feels better. it makes me so happy he feels that way. it makes me so proud that my kids can go in the garden and take a cucumber and start eating it. it makes me so happy because i grew up that way. i grew up in a village in the south of brazil. you go to the supermarket, there were no fruits to buy in the supermarket. the earth gives us this amazing richness. that's what i am saying. we have everything to thank her for. we should honor her and respect her because she is giving life to us. i want to teach that to my kids. of course, that's very truthful to who i am. it is what i have been since i was a little kid, so it is natural i introduced that to my family. i want to teach my kids how to do that. i remember being a kid and climbing a tree in picking the fruit. i would put it in my t-shirt, all the fruits. if i did not have fruit i would go to my neighbor's house. ametimes you would see neighbor in your tree, it was amazing, we were all sharing it. i want my kids to have that, even if tom didn't grow up that way, i wanted to have that now. charlie: he has given a lot of credit to his diet. gisele: because he sees the difference. it really makes you feel different. when you do not you like that, like if i am traveling, sometimes you eat a little different. i feel a huge difference. it's amazing. instantaneous. i eat something that does not agree with me. it has been a wonderful -- he's been very supportive and the whole family eats that way. it makes me feel good because not only we feel great and healthy and strong, but we also feel a plant-based diet addresses the problem that we are facing in the world because if people ate a plant-based diet, we wouldn't have the food waste situation. to your point, a plant-based diet is number four solution to global warming. don't eatt mean protein, it means a reduction of protein. the solution we modeled is reducing the protein content in the west where we over consume and it causes health albums. in countries that are impoverished to the normal, healthy levels, 50 grams. caloric content of 500 calories. even then, it is the number four solution. a plant-rich diet. it does not mean all plants. if you want to be a vegetarian, you can do that too. but it means getting in balance. ♪ these days families want to be connected 24/7. that's why at comcast, we're always working to make our services more reliable. with technology that can update itself. and advanced fiber network infrastructure. new, more reliable equipment for your home. and a new culture built around customer service. it all adds up to our most reliable network ever. one that keeps you connected to what matters most. charlie: characterize what the trump administration is doing on this front. paul: it is trying to roll back everything it can. it's cutting off science, from epa to nasa. cutting the budget, it has not succeeded so far. it took down the climate change page the day of the climate march. it is trying to roll back the clean power act under obama which is , curious because it never got implemented. itthey can't roll it back. has been in court ever since it was signed as an executive order by president obama. now he has ordered a review, which will take a year, then it will go back into court for two years. so it's a stalemate. what they are trying to do is like the fossil fuel industry. it's a last gasp. they have arranged to get their people into a position of power. it is actually futile. fossil fuels are dead, whether it's 10 years or 15 years, they are not dead because of all uism, because of cost. pure and simple. they are too expensive and wind now is the cheapest new form of electrical generation. solar is coming in at two cents. per kilowatt hour. charlie: knowing that, you have to be concerned about national policy, what the epa is doing or not doing. support for the paris agreements. right? gisele: i feel that, i am an optimist, so i believe that there is a reason for everything to be happening. all of this noise is doing is bringing more awareness. people are more laid-back about things before and now people are feeling they have to take matters into their own hands. i have to get educated, i have to learn. i have to figure out how to do this. i think in some ways, the situation we are living has really brought people more into action. ok, i have to do something here. i can't just sit back and relax on my couch and think everything is going to be resolved. charlie: you can't wait for government to act? gisele: i really feel that. i feel people are becoming more interested, for sure. charlie: you just look at the numbers in terms of the planning getting warmer. 2016 was the warmest year in history. paul: that's right. three warmest years in a row. at the same time, we have to understand that the federal government is not the agent of change. they can put some tax in the road. we can try to escape with rhetoric, but the congress will never support any of these protocols around climate change because of gerrymandering, lobbying, etc.. we have to understand the u.s. , government has never been a leader in this field. the fact that we have somebody that's ignorant about this doesn't change a whole lot. the rhetoric is divisive, astonishing in terms of scientific ignorance, but it doesn't have a big influence. these solutions do not come from the federal government. they come from the public sector, from business. i don't know one business, one corporation, i look work with corporations, that look at the trump administration and go, whatever. their environmental plans of not changed one iota. they have to plan for the future. they see the future loud and clear. charlie: for example, walmart and google, have pledged to reduce their carbon footprint and use renewable energy. paul: absolutely. paul: and walmart announced that they were going to do one billion tons, a gigatons, of carbon reduction in their supply chain. i wrote that speech that declared what the goals for walmart were 10 years ago for lee scott. i know their goals very, very well. waste,le energy, zero completely sustainable supply chain. they are working on it step by step. this has not had a big effect, except the car companies. they had an agreement when bailed out to raise their mileage standards. the danish government and german government have done extraordinary things to accelerate renewable energy and progress around climate in those countries. they have that kind of meshing. you don't have it here. we've never had it. charlie: what? paul: the meshing of these different branches and climate change. charlie: the former mayor. paul: the cities, the mayors have been extraordinary. mayors and cities are these sort of subnational entities, doing extraordinary things in the united states. you get congress and go, whatever. what is it, seattle? 2035, 100% renewable energy? charlie: don't you think we should be a catalyst -- if you disagree with government policy, you should try to change it? way you do that is by bringing forward information. we are all learning, right? that is a process we are all on. what we do is bring forth the information. all we can do is bring forth the information and lead that what we believe. we have a plant-based diet and have had it for 10 years. at least. i think everyone likes having the information and deciding if that information works for them or not. but i'm telling you about the plant-based diet. when you start eating that way and feel better, you don't want to go back and eat another way because you feel different. who doesn't want to feel good? i want to feel great. charlie: or have your performance be as good as it could possibly be. gisele: you want to give your body the best you can give it so it can perform for you the best it can. charlie: your husband said you wanted him to retire. he said that, not me. he said he wanted to play as long as he felt as good as he does now. are you trying to get him to retire? gisele: i just have to say, as a wife, as you know, it's not the most aggressive sport. football, he had a concussion last year. he does have concussions. i do not think it is a healthy thing for your body to go through that kind of aggression all the time. that cannot be healthy for you. perioddo it for a long of time, it is not healthy in the long run. i want him to be around until 100 or so. i know he loves what he does. i will always support him. i told him, in my dreams, i would like for him to maybe not do it for as long anymore because i am concerned -- i want them to be healthy, forever for , our kids. i think any person who feels that way, it's not like he is playing tennis. he is playing football, it is a contact sport, a very aggressive sport. but he knows i will always support him and i want him to be happy and if it makes him happy, and he loves to do that i will , always support him like i always have. i want him to be happy and fulfilled. charlie: you've changed him and he's changed you? gisele: i think that is what we have done. i think relationships is where we do most of our growing. they see all of us. all the sides of us. we have been growing and learning a lot from each other. it's a wonderful walk in life with a partner who you can always grow and learn from. it's wonderful. charlie: are you more excited by life today than you have ever been? gisele: i am always excited by life. life is such a gift. every morning i wake up early at 5:00 a.m. and meditate. when you eat normal, at 3:30, that's a little earlier than i like to wake up, but i like to wake up early because i am live -- i live in such a present moment. i notice everything. i love watching the sun rising. sun gazing to me, waking up when everything is quiet, drinking water with a lemon, being grateful that i have this clean water to drink. i went to the largest slum in africa. people don't have clean water. every time i open my water filter i am like, thank you. it's heaven. i have warm water with lemon, everything is silent, i can meditate and have time for myself, honoring and being grateful. gratitude is the attitude because when you have that, everything in your life becomes a blessing. everything. eating food, i love my food. i bless my food. i have food. do you know how many people don't have food? we take these things for granted because we live in a country that we open a tap and water comes out for us to brush our teeth. there are a lot of places that don't have that. so i do not want to take anything for granted because everything is a gift. i live my life in that way and the older i get, i want to raise my kids that way and see what a gift everything is. because i feel like life is more joyful that way. when you have this attitude that everything just works out, it feels like you are vibrating on that energy. charlie: energy is a word you use often. gisele: because everything is energy. everything. i want to be surrounded by -- there is no more amazing energy than nature. nature is healing. you have a stressful day, go walk in the park and take off your shoes. charlie: feel the grass. gisele: feel the grass. it changes everything. you could have the worst day you , just hear the birds and you are there. nature is so powerful, it's healing. i am literally in awe of nature. she is teaching us what is possible. talk about the most intelligent organism on earth, its nature. charlie: how do you engender among more people the sense of understanding that is within your own power to change lifestyle? having to do with health, performance, at the same time, to contribute to the planet? how do you engender the kind of enthusiasm that she represents? paul: by pointing to her. [laughter] asked why she supports drawdown. people support one side of gisele, but they do not know this side. this is who she is. at the deepest core of her being. this is the real gisele bundchen . it is time for the world to know her, who she is and what she stands for. it goes back to her earliest upbringing. this is not something new. it's not something added on, this is who she is. she will be one of the most prominent spokespersons in the world for exactly that. how do you imagine a life that is integrated so that everything you do is actually for who you love, those you serve, those you don't know, who you want to help and serve, and the planet itself? because they are all the same thing. how do i do it? i do it the same way. i have taken care of my body in the same way, eating a plant-based diet since i was 20 years old. i had as from six months old and it went away. i was actually mad because i liked junk food. i went back to natural foods, went away, came back to beer and hamburgers, i came back and i realized if people eat in a way that is healthier for themselves and the environment, it changes everything. farmlands,r body, rivers, water, birds. i started an organic food company when i was 20 years old. i remember going to louisiana and seeing dead pelicans near my organic rice farm. the farmer said, why are they dead? they are eating the rice seeds covered in mercury. that was such a teaching moment. charlie: do we need a political discussion in this country about all of this? paul: politics depends on a free flow of information for everybody. misinformatione about everything from debates , all the way down to the internet, to the immediate itself, with very few exceptions. hony,you have that cacop that chaos of information, people go to protecting themselves and they go to superstition. they go to fear. if you vote out of fear, then-- charlie: the argument people make about climate and global , they debate how much of , put into the atmosphere. paul: they do that because they don't pay attention to the science. it's been well known since 1896. when i go to audiences, i will ask everybody to raise their hand if they do not believe in climate science or global warming. nobody raises their hand. i say, no it's ok. , still nobody does. that was a trick question. you all should have raised your hands, because science is not a belief system. it's fact-based. the true believers are the deniers. because they believe the climatic stability of the 10,000 years is going to persist. charlie: that debate should be over because of what science says. paul: it is not because of what science says, it's what science is. science is fact-based, evidence-based. like i said, 2.5 billion data points until the last assessment. you can debate whether the impact is going to be this way on the oceans or that way, thus it's a complex system, but the science about the mechanism of global warming is about physics and biochemistry on earth and nobody is debating that whatsoever. what they are debating is the rate of change and so forth. let's say you are told there is a 70% chance that something bad is going to happen to you in the next 20 years. you say, well -- that's what we are talking about. a small number of people say, i don't think so. charlie: look at what's happening in terms of government policy. paul: look at these solutions, these are no regrets solutions. talked about the necessity of public-private solutions. when we talk about this book, you said it was the first time you read things that gave you a sense of what? gisele: it just inspired me. when i heard paul presenting the book to us, i felt inspired. i was like, that's it. that is what we should focus our energy on. energy and solutions on precisely what he said. it's great to speed up the process, but the truth is, companies and corporations already know about this and they are going to have to do it because if they don't have water the plant food because we have droughts and temperatures raising, we do not have rain as much as we used to, that will be a fundamental problem for their business. they won't be able to produce. charlie: you are absolutely right. it became a necessity because of the bottom line. gisele: there is only a certain amount of natural resources on earth. if we deplete them, these people that have these companies understand that we need these natural resources to produce our product. if we don't take care of these resources, we will no longer be able to produce products. they are going to continue those policies of reducing emissions and figuring out how they can continue to have the abundance of natural resources. otherwise there will be out of -- otherwise, they will be out of business. that is not going to change. because you can't create more rivers or make more soil. it is what we have. look at syria. the reason why everybody migrated is because the water finished. look what happened. there were a lot of different things. our health depends on the health of our planet. we are connected to it nature is , us. the sooner we can all be aware of that, i think the better it will be for all of us. charlie: where would you put the super bowl victory in the great things that happened to your family in 2017? gisele: it was a wonderful-- charlie: emotional? gisele: very emotional. i saw that victory as something much bigger than just a victory. of a team playing another team. i thought there was an amazing message there. the message was, that it is not over until it is over. and as long as we are here breathing and have dedication and focus, we are on the game and we can win the game. i feel like it was so inspiring. that for me was more important than anything. obviously, i was happy for my husband because he worked so hard, he is so dedicated and focused. he gives his all. but i thought of it as a bigger message for the world. for all the people who feel like when they are losing, they give up -- never give up. if you are here, standing, breathing there is a way. , as long as we have focus and dedication and clarity of purpose, you are going to make it happen. charlie: thank you for coming. great to see you. gisele: thank you for having us. charlie: thank you, paul. paul: thank you. ♪ alisa: you are watching "bloomberg technology." president trump welcomed the colombian president to the white house today. the first official meeting of the two world leaders. colombia wants u.s. support with a peace accord they signed last year with fark. the appointment of a special the russianversee interference investigation -- it is said that it is a negative thing that shows the u.s. is divided. the doj granted former fbi director robert mueller sweeping powers to investigate potential collusion. mr. trump could be on the verge of naming a new fbi director.