The business about his Campaign Manager and a woman. There was the business about his interview with Chris Matthews. Is this simply taking a toll in terms of trump and his momentum . I think absolutely, charlie. Hes had many other problems, as we know, and managed to survive them or move past them or put them behind him but i think theres something materially different now in this. For one it is increasing the obstacles he has if hes the republican nominee to win a general election. And that could be important if we get to an open convention in cleveland. The delegates there are going to be concerned about who is the best candidate to run in the fall and the more he has caused himself problems, the more his negatives have gone up with key constituencies in the general election, the more thats going to be on the minds of the dell fwats in cleveland. So i think were at a moment in which hes got to find some way to reassure people in his own party that he can be a credible and competitive nominee in november. Charlie why doesnt donald trump realize this . Well, charlie, you may know him better than i do i think hes a complicated person. I think he thinks he know what is he knows and sometime he is doesnt know what he doesnt know. He operates on instinct. Hes never been through anything quite like this before. Every time weve seen him get into a jam, his, you know, his reaction is to double down, not to apologize or try to indicate that hes going to ground to kind of learn the mistake or take a lesson from the mistake. So hes an unusual personality in this and if youre donald trump, you say to yourself, well, this has been successful up to now. Whatever the smart people or the elites or my opponents say about the problems im having, i keep winning. I keep accumulating delegates. Im ahead. He takes so much from the status of polls or the state of the dell fwat count and you know, not without some good reason. But i think at this moment, he has to, you know, he has to take stop about what it all means as he go into this final round of primaries. Charlie what was your reaction when he talked about Public Policy . I think if you take the sum total of what he had to say, its a quite radical departure, from either a republican orthodoxy or a general Public Policy consensus. Theres no reason not to challenge sometimes longstanding consensus on policies but thing he is said about nato, thing he is said about giving japan the opportunity to have nuclear weapons, these are unsettling statements that are not necessarily grounded in some larger kind of coherent theory of what the Foreign Policy of the United States should be. He, again, hes operating on instinct as opposed to knowledge and i think that it suggests to a lot of people that he hasnt done the amount of study that you would want in a person who aspires to be the commander in chief. Charlie lets assume he loses for a moment in wisconsin. What does it do for him and what does it do for ted cruzf hes the win her wisconsin has shaped up as a very important moment i think in part because of everything thats preceded it with donald trump. This is a moment in which if ted cruz wins and wins pretty comfortably, therell be at least a psychological impact on the state of the race. Donald trump will still have more delegates than anyone else and still be favored to win in new york on april 19, which se next big event but having said this, i think that this will give people who are determined to try to stop him a greater sense of purpose and probably a greater sense that they may be able to pull it off. If he loses wisconsin, and its a winner take all state, the statewide, the at large delegates are allocated on the basis of winning the overall vote and Congressional District delegates on the basis of winning Congressional Districts. Lets say ted cruz wins the statewide vote and wins most of the Congressional Districts. Donald trump maybe comes out with a few delegates. That makes it more difficult for him to get to the 1,237 he needs to be the nominee on the first ballot and every delegate short of that makes it more difficult if he get into a convention to be able to assemble those delegates. Charlie and for Bexar Mi Sanders and Hillary Clinton in wisconsin, what are the stakes . Bernie sanders has had a good run in caucuses and he has won them by, not just big margins, huge margins. 7525. And it has given him momentum going into wisconsin, wisconsin is a very good state for him or ought to be. Its an open primary. There is a history of populism and progressivism. We know theres a trong base around the university of wisconsin in madison that should be very strongly for him. But he needs a victory in this to accelerate or perpetuate the momentum hes gotten from the recent caucuses. And then we will go into a very big battle in new york, we havent seen a big competitive democratic primary in new york since perhaps 1992 or maybe 1988. So this will shape up as a kind of a a final battle between the two of them if he comes out of wisconsin with momentum. You know, its important for him to be able to claim he has the ability to acquire enough delegates to make this competitive. When you stand back from this, secretary clinton still has a big lead in delegate, particularly given the democratic rules that algate delegates proportionally. She has, as her Campaign Says a bigger delegate lead than barack obama ever did against her eight years ago and she was never able to overcome that. It doesnt necessarily change the calculus about who is the favorite to win the nomination but it certainly raises continuing questions about why she is not quite able to put him away. Charlie i asked Bernie Sanders this morning on the cbs this morning program, was his success more of a reaction to her than it was enthusiasm for his own campaign . He obviously said it was enthusiasm for his own campaign but there is a bit of that in his success, isnt it . Absolutely. Everything we see in polling or have seen is that if Hillary Clinton is the nominee, that the Bernie Sanders supporters, for the most part, will be quite happy to support her. And to go against whoever is the republican nominee. But there is resistance to hear within the party there is skepticism about whether she is really a real change agent and we know that a lot of Bernie Sanders people are looking for that. Theyre looking for somebody who can shake up the status quo and to them, Hillary Clinton is much more the status quo. So he has passion behind his candidacy in a way she doesnt hasnt quite been able to generate yet. Charlie what does donlt trump say to the Republican Party at this point . He had a meeting with the chairman yesterday, looking, i think, to sort of suggest to try to figure out a way to make him appealing in terms of a general election. But is it too late to do that if you have so much on the record . In a primary . I once heard bill clinton say, dont do anything in the primaries youll regret in the general election. Donald trump hasnt take than advice to heart has he . He seems to have decided hes going to try the opposite and est that case. Charlie ill prove to bill hes wrong. I think he needs to do what i think everybody understands he needs to do he needs to settle down in one way or another he needs to find a way to reassure republicans that charlie how do you do that at this stage . As you say, theres so much on the record its difficult to do it but you know, we are still 3 1 2 months or so from cleveland. Theres a look time in this race for him to demonstrate some greater, i dont know what the right word is, gravitas or temperament. I think it so much goes to the temperament he displays and or the lack of temperament he displays whether its in the interview with Chris Matthews or at rallies or wherever. I think what Republican Leaders are looking for at this point is some reassurance that he is not going to put at risk all of the candidates who were running for senate and house and state legislature in november if hes the nominee. But as you say, theres so much history already thats accumulated and so much damage thats been done, its going to take some real work on his part. Charlie bob gates once said to former National Security director of defense. He said the great leaders have had a first class temperament. Not necessarily a first class mind, though often that too, but theyve all had a first class temperament. I think that is the key. The old line, second rate intellect, first rate temperament. And i think its so important. People know this is a dangerous world. People know we have some very big problems domestically that have resisted solutions from democratic president s and republican president s and in a sense that have helped to generate the kind of cynicism toward government in washington that trump has been able to use to fuel his candidacy. And yet when you get into the presidency, people know there are crises that happen. People know that there are risks that come at you and dangerous situations. And i think they want to be reassured that whoever is sitting in the oval office has the kind of temperament that they can rely on to keep the country safe. To look for solutions that are going to affect the whole of the population and particularly the people who need it most. And i think thats part of what donald trump is going to have to try to do. Charlie always a pleasure, thank you so much. Charlie, thank you, my pleasure. Arlie zaha hadid, the world died at iraqi architect the age of 65 last week. He died of a heart attack at a hospital where she was being treated for bronchitis. Another architect said of her, she fought her way through as a woman. She received the professions highest honor in 2004. She was the first woman to be awarded the british architects gold medal. She was born in baghdad in 1950. She once said she wanted to be an architect for her entire life. After studying at the architect yurel association in london she started her own practice in 1979. She quickly gained a global reputation for her innovative heoretical works cline colluding the on Cardiff Bay Opera house in wales. Her completed projects include the fire station in germany, the London Aquatic Center for the 2012 Olympic Games and the maxi museum in rome. Hadid once said of her own work, i dont feel im part of the establishment, im not outside, i just dangle on the edge. I just do what i do. She appeared on this program many times over the years. Here are excerpts from some of those conversations. Who was it enflunesed you ost . I was iran, that was tremendously important. You look at the history of modernism, peterizeman was another inspiration. Charlie why pete her i have a tremendous respect for him. Hes somebody who, you know, i think struggled also and always reinvented himself. Charlie why do you think youve struggled . Is the struggle you had similar to the struggle he had . I think its very different. Charlie. Because of gender . Partly. Struggle, of us anyone who tries to do something thats not normative, not part of the status quo. Charlie not corporate. Not corporate. It makes those who survive it very strong. Its an unnecessary struggle. Charlie unnecessary meaning what . You spend more time doing things which are not part of designing or doing a project and dealing with other initiative stuff or dealing with city rules. Regulations. Charlie what would you like for people to see as the defining character of your work. Its always changing. I liberated certain norms. The idea of labe ration on the ground, it meant a much more fluid organization. And i think that the idea of a different kind of order i think allowed us, me, anyway, to think about architecture in a different way. To represent in one way, to give you that seamlessness i think. So the idea that you are bringing an urban life to the nterior of a civic building. Charlie has this profession for you been worth the strugglele . I think so. Charlie think so . Well, its not finished. Hopefully not. Charlie yeah, but you have i enjoyed doing what i did. So i know it was difficult but i didnt see it at the time i was doing it as a struggle. Charlie just a process. As a process. And i believe its possible to make these things. O always a goal that you know, eventually we will get it done. Charlie because you are a student of architecture, if i could say these are the 10 of the greatest architects, in your judgment, or you would say, i picked for you, charlie, 10 of the best. Living and dead. What common quality do you think they might have . I think they all dealt in different ways with space. Charlie thats what a techs do. Not all architects. Charlie space and light, isnt that what they do . They might say they do. Charlie in other words they may say it but they dont. The best know how to deal with space in the most optimal way. Absolutely. Thats what the best do. Also you dont set out from the beginning of your life to say, m going to deal with space. I think the idea is to make space that those who walk into the space have a different experience. Thats the most difficult. Charlie you do want people to experience it. I do. Because i really think it its about well being. To make you feel good. You ought to be able to live in a nice apartment or small flat or big house and feel good. You ought to be able to work in a good space. Charlie it ought to maximize looking at art. And gives you also, makes you look the way you organize, makes you look beyond your own boundaries. The idea is the interaction between people and the way they operate in space. Makes them expand their thinking. When they call you an architect of the future, what do they mean . It mean its a surprise. Its unknown. You know. Every time we do a project its unknown. Theres no formula. Charlie zaha hadid, dead at 65. Charlie nicole hurd is here, shes c. E. O. And founded the college surviving corps to help the first generation of low advisors to lege more than 160,000 state of the unions in underserved high school around the country. Advisors work to create a college centric culture in the schools they serve. The model has been compared to teach for america or peace corps but with a focus on college advising. Im pleased to have nicole hurd at the table for the first time. Welcome. Congratulations. Thank you. Charlie youre doing great stuff. Ow did this come into being . There were so many college graduates, they wanted to change the world. And harnessing that was a problem, a crisis in this country. Our counselor to student ratio is 188 to one. So the average student gets 20 minutes with a counselor each year. We have a barrier thats really if i can say this, endangering our democracy. Young people are not going off to college, theyre not obtaining degrees and our Global Competitiveness and democracy depend on having educated, bright, amazing young people out there. Were taking the idea of having people who just finished themselves, going to schools where counselors and teachers are trying hard but dont have the ability to help the students, and say, lets hold hands and tell these students, i believe in you. We all have mentors and to give somebody a young person, who says, i look leek youing i talk to you, i came from your community. Charlie did this start when you were at u. V. A. . I was at u. V. A. A great place. And i saw these people applying to teach america and peace corps, and i thought wheres at outlet to take these talent. Thawsezz because these young people have den it. So many of our students dont think they can go to duke or carolina or notre dame. And the idea is, only 3 of students in the top 137 couldnt di top 137 colleges in this country are from the bottom economic quarter. 3 . Which that means, you know, wheres the opportunity . These schools need to be ladders of opportunity. These universities need to be ladders of opportunity system of we need to make sure its a pushpull. We push all these great Young Students into these schools and these universities step up and admit them and get the Financial Aid to make that happen. Charlie you got a huge grant from, what, the jack kent the jack kent cofoundation to start. We started at u. V. A. , got a 10 million invest optometrist go national. Spent six years at carolina and picked up all sorts six years. Charlie why u. N. C. . Belief in public education. Ers kin bowles was president of the system at the time. He got this immediately. The other person was president friday. Your greand friend who i ms. Dearly. One of the first group of carolina advisors sitting around a table. President friday came in and they were all talking about why they were doing this. They were like im from this part of north carolinaing im from the same school, they were saying why they want to do this work. Bill friday afterwards had a smile like only he had, he said you know what you are . Youre messengers of hope. It was a beautiful moment. Thats what they are, messengers of hope. Charlie you got the great, incubating at u. N. C. Whats the next step . We spread across the country. California, texas, michigan, rhode island, massachusetts, new york, weve had Great Success here in new york, n. Y. U. Is in our flagship chapter here in new york. South bronx weve had kids go to college. Charlie how do you measure success . Two ways. How many are going to college, and are they actually finishing . Are we giving the Financial Aid so they have a meaningful credential. Were ok whether its a cre endrble credential, vocational school, community college, we want everyone to have the best match and fit to have Educational Opportunity in that ladder of opportunity thats the American Dream. If we dont do this, the American Dream is in jeopardy. Charlie you have also said, you cant say that enough if you dont do this, the American Dream is jeopardy. And in a sense of our leadership. These are our future leaders. Think about the story of so many