washington, your first visit as the prime minister of iraq. tell me what you hope to achieve and what you have achieved in your conversations with american officials, including the president. prime minister al-abadi: thank you for this interview. i'm glad to meet you. you know, i think we are partners. there is an international coalition which is headed by the u.s. it is important to talk to them because they are doing an important job to support our military and security forces. one of the important elements is the air cover. it is to provide help from the air to our security forces on the ground. another is to provide the armament we require on time because we have this war, we have to finish this war on time and we need badly these armament. we need the air cover, the air force of the international coalition. the third one is training. i think the training is on track now. some armament are on track. i think i have received a very good reception in washington reception in terms of saying everything is on course, everything is on time, and what i want precisely is consistence. the support must be manageable and we can rely upon. i don't want any support that i cannot rely upon. i think i have been given that promise in washington from the president, the vice president, the secretary of state secretary of defense and all other officials, even congress. i was glad that i received support from congress, from the senate, and i think across the parties which i reckon the visit is quite successful. charlie: what is the nature of the support they have assured you you will receive? prime minister al-abadi: we are pragmatists, very pragmatic on the ground. and we know there are complications. i know we don't get what we ask for all the time. on that sense, i know what we want which mainly the air cover. the bombing mission for enemy locations when our forces advance. i'm very much concentrating on this because this is vital for the advance of our own forces. charlie: and you are looking for economic support as well? prime minister al-abadi: we have a fiscal problem because of the drop of oil prices. of course, we don't want direct money. no country will give just money like that. there is enough expertise in the u.s. and capabilities that would help us. we only need a segment of certain things. we need guarantees on certain items. we want to move forward. i think there are enough financial institutions that can work with us but we need the support. charlie: also the imf and the world bank. prime minister al-abadi: exactly. i think they are very promising. they are very forthcoming. i'm very happy i met them. i think they were very happy. it is a work relationship. at the moment they are sending , their delegation to baghdad. in about one weeks time, to follow up. charlie: let me turn to the war on the ground and the fight against isis. how do you see it today and what is the strategy now? prime minister al-abadi: the strategy is -- unfortunately we have liberated it some time ago. the problems are that we only opened the main road to reach the refinery. what we are doing at the moment we are clearing all this area, as we have done for other areas. once we do that, we are concentrating at the same time concentrating on barr. it is important because it will open the way for us to mosul. of course, mosul was -- there was a military intervention that we should start with mosul first. my vision is that we should to anbar first. so, that will give us more resources to go to muscle. -- mosul. that will give us more resources. charlie: you need the support of sunnis? prime minister al-abadi: we need the support of locals. charlie: are you getting it? prime minister al-abadi: yes in anbar. we have many thousands that want to join us. we enlisted almost 4500. there are many more, more than this number. they want to join the iraqi security forces in fighting dash. we have to be careful because it is not a matter of numbers, it is a matter of how we can move these numbers to the areas. you have to manage these people so they can be most effective at fighting. we are starting a training program for them. we are giving them arms and we enlist them. everything is a counted for. you have to give them the space for training. they have to go under the commander. charlie: there are reports of atrocities on the part of shia militias. some under the control of iranian military advisers. is that happening and what will you do to stop it? prime minister al-abadi: any violation of human rights is unacceptable. charlie: you accept the fact they have taken place on the part of shia militias? prime minister al-abadi: i think there are crimes everywhere. are there crimes in your cities? charlie: we're talking about warfare. soldiers coming in and doing obscene things to people they consider of a different -- prime minister al-abadi: i challenge anybody for proof of security forces doing that when i became prime minister. i agree. a lot of these people which i have seen, when dash came into iraqi cities to kill people. charlie: it is also about militias that are fighting dash. prime minister al-abadi: i know. people have taken arms. people, civilians have taken arms for dash. when people take arms to fight dash, they will commit something wrong because they are not trained to do that or follow the law. they will think in the revenge terms. they will take the law into their own and. that is why last summer, in many parts of the country, if you talk now in the last few months when we brought everybody under control, i will challenge anyone to bring an evidence that soldiers or iraqi security -- charlie: i'm talking about shia militias. not the iraqi army. prime minister al-abadi: if we are talking about militias -- the iraqi concentration for militias. what i am saying, what i am saying is we have to think about two different things. if you talk about militias they are organized armed people outside the state. i have said that in iraq and here. these are the enemy of the iraqi people. we do not allow them. we have placed many of them in prison. charlie: but aren't you using them in in the right against --? -- in the right against -- uin -- in the fight against dash? prime minister al-abadi: we are using volunteers. we will have volunteers the fight against dash. out of their national aspiration, they want to fight this enemy to liberate their own area. though civilians, some of them have not received enough training so some of them will commit such crimes and we make them accountable. if we catch them -- every recording, unacceptable thing that has been committed, i will ask for these people to be arrested and brought to justice. we have zero tolerance towards this. after all, it it is a war and we don't have control over the areas. charlie: the u.s. held back in terms of airstrikes at the time that militias and the iraqi army were engaged in combat in tikrit. why did they hold back? what was the reason? there was a delay in the airstrikes. prime minister al-abadi: well, i have been told they didn't have enough reconnaissance in that area. because any bombing mission cannot take place without enough reconnaissance. you have to take reconnaissance at some time. i have been told it is sometimes 30 hours or more to try to define targets and what to hit. you have to make sure these targets, there are no population centers there or civilians that may be killed or no infrastructure there that may be damaged. charlie: the president of syria told me several weeks ago that he gets information from iraq having to do with airstrikes that will take place in iraq and syria. does your government give information to the americans take information from the syrians and give the information to the americans so they can be coordination of american airstrikes? prime minister al-abadi: our position on syria is we don't provide coronation. charlie: none at all? the president of syria told me he gets information from the iraqis. prime minister al-abadi: i am not aware of that. of any dialogue or contact with the syrians. we have contact with them with the embassy in baghdad and our foreign minister has visited syria recently. we don't have the information about the bombing mission in syria at all. we don't deal with that. of course, we're not even being notified. charlie: how is the coordination taking place between these airstrikes and iraqi armed forces and shia militias were on the ground so they can be the most effective possible? prime minister al-abadi: what we have done, we have caught every fighter there. there is a commander that is appointed by commander in chief who commands all forces, including police, military or militias. this would come from him. he has to get to us a target which he thinks must be it. that target being approved by him, his commander, which comes from the joint command center which is approved by an iraqi general. they have to approve it because they have to find out if it matches. charlie: you also have a coordinate it with iranian advisors as well, don't you? prime minister al-abadi: no. charlie: because the iranian advisers are there, as we have talked about. general sulamani is your friend. help us understand how coordination takes place on the ground. prime minister al-abadi: i'm not giving a timetable or anything. charlie: it will be after ramadan? prime minister al-abadi: more likely. yes. charlie: what do you think that might be? will it be in the spring, the summer, the fall? what is necessary to get that point because that is the climactic battle. prime minister al-abadi: i think we have allocated so many brigades to liberate mosul. these brigades must be fully ready and equipped. this is one of the reasons why i came here. we want these brigades to be fully equipped with heavy military equipment. i think there is an agreement between us. charlie: obama said you would get the military equipment you need for the battle to come for mosul? fully equipped to drive isis/dash out of mosul. the assurance this president gave you. prime minister al-abadi: without going into detail because they have been given to the secretary of defense and other commanders. everybody said, yes, we can fulfill this mission and it is on time. wheel to work towards that. charlie: because you are an observer of the region, i'm interested how you see surrounding areas. a little bit of controversy developed here. you saw "the new york times." tensions flared between allies and u.s. coalition, critique of saudi arabia by iraqis put obama in a difficult spot. is this a real effort by you to say to the president we are very concerned about what saudi arabia is doing because we have a very strong relationship with the iranians and they are our friends and they are supporting a government that is not supported by the saudis? prime minister al-abadi: that is not the story. the story is like this -- now we are living in the same region and we have to work together. now, dash is a huge terrorist organization. it is destabilizing the whole region. we have to pay attention to the life of the people and the infrastructure. now, we believe this affects the whole region. we want to get this message across. we should concentrate on this enemy. this enemy is spreading. charlie: that is not the enemy in yemen. prime minister al-abadi: they hide in yemen. similar to that. that is spreading. it is even going into jordan and they are very forthcoming in supporting us in our fight against dash. we want to see the rest of the gulf states to have the same awareness about this. i'm not sure if they are getting it. our talk with them, they know the danger of dash but i don't know if they sense it or not. charlie: who does not? prime minister al-abadi: leaders of the gulf. charlie: saudis don't sense it? prime minister al-abadi: it appears they do, but it is not my business to go into their affairs. of course, it is my business if something goes into this region. syria was not our business. everybody said it is not our business. it turns out to be dash was come up from that misery and attacked us. charlie: it came from syria across iraq. prime minister al-abadi: they slaughtered so me thousands. enslaved children and women. occupied our cities and we have to pay dearly to evict them from all of these areas and we continue to do so. this is something that is affecting us. if something is happening somewhere else like in yemen and it destabilizes the region this war becomes a sectarian war, dash will benefit from that. they live on sectarianism. i think we have a real fear and quite a correct fear that what is happening there has encouraged dash in iraq and the rest of the region and will pay heavily. yemen unfortunately has become a regional and sectarian war which we don't want. our vision is this war must be , stopped. this is the business of the yemeni people. the only way forward is a political solution. charlie: you have a situation one more time where iranians are on one side, your friends, and the saudis are on the other side. prime minister al-abadi: they are both our neighbors. charlie: that is what makes it a difficulty for the president. prime minister al-abadi: i don't know if that is difficult for the president or not. this is the conflict. by all honesty, i think everybody agrees on this -- there was no huge iranian involvement in yemen. charlie: the government supports them. prime minister al-abadi: that is different. charlie: throughout the government. that is who they support. prime minister al-abadi: ok, is that a new policy? that if there is a government you don't like, you bomb that country? that is dangerous. that is careless. that must be stopped. charlie: a government that the iranians did not like was thrown out of power. prime minister al-abadi: that is where we have to draw the line. is this internal conflict or is this regional conflict? everybody knows it is internal conflict. it has been happening more than two years. it has blown out of proportion. everybody is trying to find a solution. it has moved to us. this is internal conflict. does it help if we start bombarding the country? it is quite obvious, it will increase. charlie: you don't believe the saudi airstrikes helped the situation in yemen? prime minister al-abadi: not at all. it increased it. charlie: they should not be doing it? prime minister al-abadi: yes, i agree they should not. now if another country does not like what is going on there i think you need international mandate to do that and it is not there. ♪ charlie: in terms of the region, what is the thing that brings you the biggest concern? is it the spread of the sectarian conflict? isis is sunni. iraq is majority shia. prime minister al-abadi: yes but there are -- charlie: iran is shia. saudi arabia is sunni. prime minister al-abadi: my problem is this -- somebody is trying to turn regional differences into sectarian differences. there is regional competition for control of the region or to extend control. that has been forbidden weapons used. it is very clearly between iran and saudi arabia. turkey is competing with saudi arabia for supremecy in the world and that has created a mess in syria and yemen as well. charlie: do you blame both sides? saudi arabia and iran. you blame them both? that is part of the problem. competition for power in the region and influence. prime minister al-abadi: which they are using sectarianism for that. that is why we are putting high price on it. we are mixed. we are shia, sunni and kurds. we ended up having dash coming into our country, bringing the slogan they want to protect the sunnis. iraqi sunnis -- dash are imprisoning sunnis, destroying sunni cities. all of a sudden, some of the problems come to the region. this which we do not like. i think we have to concentrate on that. i don't want to make an enemy of saudi arabia. i was talking with king syllabi on the other day. -- king suleman the other day. we have this open dialogue now. i hear two days ago, they nominated an ambassador to come to baghdad. we want to have a good relationship with saudi arabia. we have a good relationship with jordan, egypt, kuwait and turkey and iran. we want to expand his relationship. my comments was not against saudi arabia. my comments was a regional thing. iraq has an opinion on what is happening. we talked like friends and neighbors. charlie: some people believe you are closer to, because your country is majority sunni, closer to iran than you are of the sunni states. that you are more a friend of iran then you are to those people in the coalition who are helping you to get rid of -- in your country. -- get rid of dash in your country. prime minister al-abadi: we are trying to have supporters to go against our enemy in dash. iran, we have the longest border with iran. we have the longest history with them than other countries. if you look at the balance of trade, we have more trade with turkey than iran. that is fact. an actual fact -- iraqis go to work in countries like ours more than they do in iran. so that is fact as well. so an actual fact it is a mutual interest. and my job as a prime minister is to serve the people. my job as prime minister is to look after the people's interests. if iran is providing iraq would support and aid, i welcome that very much. if saudi arabia was to match that, i even welcome them. charlie: if you drive dash out of iraq, are shia militia -- is iran going to have more influence than the united states would like for it to have in iraq? they worry about that, as you know. these are conversations you have had in washington. prime minister al-abadi: iraqis worry about this. iraqis they want to liberate their land, not to give it to others. that is why we are fighting dash, to get rid of it. no foreign troops are fighting on iraqi land. we are getting support in terms of intelligence, advisers and training and weapons. we are not getting support from any country whether it is the international coalition or any in terms of soldiers fighting on the ground against dash. only iraqis are fighting on the ground. charlie: there are no iranians fighting on the ground? you are saying that to me now, even though there are advisors and american advisors. prime minister al-abadi: there is a difference between the two. a slight difference. charlie: what is it? prime minister al-abadi: the american advisors are there at the military bases in locations where they can help iraqi commanders and help training iraqi forces. the iranian advisors go to the front to advise our own forces. charlie: we have seen general sulemani at that front. prime minister al-abadi: they don't have arms. charlie: do they give instructions to the shia militia? prime minister al-abadi: they give advice. i have to be clear -- if they are making militias in iraq, it would be considered as hostile to iraq. i have made that very public. charlie: two president rouhani? prime minister al-abadi: everybody in iran. charlie: if they are -- prime minister al-abadi: this is a hostile move towards iraq. if they use any groups in iraq as proxies to them this is not , a friendly gesture. they said that. they said, we are here to help iraqis through their own government. the arabian are assuring us they are not doing that. they only -- charlie? what do you think the purpose of the americans and what do you think the purpose of the iranians is? and is it the same? prime minister al-abadi: well each country has their own interests. charlie: has there been any consideration, conversations at the white house, in the pentagon, about the necessity possibly of more american troops coming to iraq, because the speaker of the house has entertained that idea as recently as the last couple of days. prime minister al-abadi: i do not know about the argument in washington about the different parties. charlie: but has there been a conversation about that? not at all? you have not said to them, we may be needing more than we are getting? prime minister al-abadi: there is no need for troops on the ground or boots on the ground. we do not have that in mind or in planning. and we accept that. charlie: so no. prime minister al-abadi: not going to happen, period. charlie: what do you think of the turks? prime minister al-abadi: sure, over the last decade or so or more, there have been disagreements with countries and our neighbors. in my opinion, we should not stop short because we have a problem. that is a reason why we should build a very good working relationship. it does not mean we have to neglect the problems. but at least we can keep them and move forward with our mutual interests, which are much, much more -- or is much more area in our bilateral relationship than those items that we differ on. charlie: that was a real problem, that the turks did not do what some, perhaps you and others, wanted them to do. syria. and they did not do that, and as you know, a lot of people, a lot of young people come to the turkish border to join dash in iraq and fight iraqi soldiers, correct? prime minister al-abadi: well, there are some. yes, there are some. i think terrorists are starting to be wary about these. charlie: so they are trying to close their border. prime minister al-abadi: i have seen a development and an improvement in that in the last couple of months. we have asked them to do much, much more, because most of them come from turkey at two syria to iraq. we do not like that because they are killing iraqis. the same as the smuggling of oil and artifacts and other \oil and artifacts and other valuables, which is sustaining that fight. we are talking to our coalition partners. the turks say they are doing their utmost, that they cannot recognize who is terrorist, who is not, and i think they have to do much, much more than what they have done before. i have seen they have been improving lately. i mean, we have a huge trade relationship with them. there are a lot of turkish detractors in iraq, and there are many iraqi citizens. charlie: what about the egyptians? prime minister al-abadi: well, we have built a warm relationship with the egyptians. there is a good relationship between the two countries, and it does not allow us to do much, but having said that, i think there is room for a bilateral relationship, in which we can benefit with the exchange of goods, exchange of know-how. i think this we have talked about in my visit to egypt. and we are building that. egypt is facing the same challenge we are, which is terrorism, and this is the same group that is fighting us. they are fighting in other places in egypt. charlie: let's understand this idea of whether dash has kidnapped the islamic religion has taken it and given it meaning that it does not have, yet, at the same time, a lot of young people are coming to join it because they have been influenced by people and clerics at mosque. what is happening within islam? prime minister al-abadi: it is not within islam. dash has hijacked islam and have done a disservice to islam. those have a minimum knowledge about islam. this is not a religion we know. this is not a religion of mercy that it is supposed to do. it is a religion of hatred, a religion of hating each other, a religion of eliminating the opposition. those who do not believe in what you do or have different ideas than you do. in islam, there is quite a fundamental element of police, and they do not believe in this. charlie: but they call themselves -- jihadists. prime minister al-abadi: well, you have to look at how they were created. who is training them. charlie: well, they were created out of al qaeda in iraq. prime minister al-abadi: well come easy, there are a lot of these jihadist and extremists who went to afghanistan and fought there and trained there. the problem is some self-appointed imams were self-appointed and then educated themselves, and they tried to get these youngsters and educate them with hatred with killing others. this ideology is not only in iraq. in the region. people come to them to practice their ideology. they are not allowed to practice it in other countries where there is law and order. where there is a very strong central government. we would not allow it, so they come to areas and practice their what they think of, a limiting their opposition, eliminating those who don't believe them. i know many people just don't want to listen to another opinion. that is fine for them, but for you to eliminate those who don't agree with you or don't believe or think along the lines you believe in, this is very dangerous, and this is what dash is doing. they are not only killing minorities, shiites, they are killing others who follow different religions. they are also killing people who follow exactly the same things that they are believing in, but they differ with them about different things, and then they start to kill them. they are very malicious. charlie: tell me how the iraqi people feel about the american government, because, as you know, this is been since 2004 . prime minister a la body: -- prime minister al-abadi:. it is hard, because there is a mixed feeling. i think overall, they eagerly want to get rid of their enemies, which is dash. i know there was a very slow start in the beginning, and some people are very angry about this. they took over mosul and other areas. there was a very slow start by the u.s. and other allies. charlie: they did not respond quickly enough? prime minister al-abadi: exactly. and i think that left some dan. -- dent. charlie: but at the same time some say if the american troops had remained there, 10,000 or so, 5000 to 10,000, it might have been in impediment. to the rise of dash in iraq. was that a mistake in retrospect, not to sign an agreement to allow some american troops there? prime minister al-abadi: it is very hard to reach that decision, because that was the decision taken then. because both sides say -- charlie: by your predecessor. prime minister al-abadi: yes. they could not come to an agreement on immunity for u.s. forces there. their side asked for immunity. charlie: is there any doubt in your mind that iraq will remain as a state of which there will not be a split between the kurds and the sunni and the shia, that you will be able to hold together the diverse components that make up the iraqi state today. prime minister al-abadi: yes. if you look at iraq now compared to a year ago, there are more forces pulling them together than pulling them apart, and that is progress. now, iraqis are being told they are fighting the same war. they are fighting together. if you look, sunni and shia, they are fighting against dash not anymore like it was before where the country was polarized, and there are forces within it, pushing each side away from the other. i think that is a marked development in the country, and this is what we are building on, and i have no doubt that the country, with the decentralization of authority -- charlie: the decentralization of authority. that was one of the problems in the first place. prime minister al-abadi: thinking this one force that will unite the people. when you force them to stay with you against their will, they will look for another way. charlie: that is your challenge. prime minister, thank you so much for taking time. i know it has been a long, long day, and you have to take a plane to fly you back to baghdad, but thank you. prime minister al-abadi: thank you. ♪ ♪ charlie: who are the world's most influential people? well, it depends on who you ask. "time" magazine has their list of the 100 titans, artists leaders, and icons to shape our world. nancy gibbs is with "time" magazine, and i am pleased to have her back as we look at the "time" 100. welcome. in case nobody knows, tell us how you go about selecting these people. nancy gibbs: we go to 100, as well as our reporters and bureau chiefs around the world and ask all of them, who is that you are seeing more, not just centerstage who we are all aware of, like some of the people you see on our covers but also people we maybe have not heard about who are making a difference in their various fields, and what has gotten particularly interesting now is that part about making a difference in your field, that is what is changing. increasingly, there is this convergence between business and politics and technology and arts and culture, where many of the people that we are featuring, it is because of influence they are having outside of their normal field, so, for example, tim cook is on the list. it is fairly obvious he is running apple, the most -- valuable company in the world, and they have launched the apple watch, but he is written about as a civil rights leader and also kirsten gillibrand writes about julianna margulies and about protecting children from sexual assault. or he often, it may have been something that made them rich or powerful, but it is what they have done with the wealth the same, the power, the influence, in some field other than where they started. charlie: and then where do you choose who writes about them? for example, colin powell. steve jobs's widow writes about hillary clinton. hillary clinton writes about elizabeth warren. nancy gibbs: having her right -- writes about elizabeth warren may have been a little bit mischievous. charlie: oh, no, not you. nancy gibbs: sometimes we ask rivals to write about one another, partly because they are in the best position to appreciate them, so we asked antonin scalia to write about ruth bader ginsburg. they are friends. they are not ideological allies, and yet he writes about the role she plays within that set of justices to sharpen everyone's opinions, everyone's thinking, and that is the kind of influence i think is really fascinating to watch. charlie: and what are you looking for in what they write? on the cover, elon musk. kanye west. why elon musk? nancy gibbs: kanye west, moving into fashion, but talking about design, how design will solve the world, how design will solve the problems, and elon musk, where design has been such a central part of all of his endeavors, they sort of speak a language with one another and have a respect for one another that transcends the individual fields that they operate in. charlie: and johnny who writes -- part of that world. nancy gibbs: part of that world and able to appreciate it. we also like it that they have dealt with one another and has a knowledge about some and that tells us something personal. taylor swift tells us about ina garten. i have been cooking with her recipes for ever. i did not note that she once worked in the white house on nuclear policy. taylor is both a ban and someone who has an understanding about why, as all of the people of been helping us figure out how to operate in the kitchen for a party, she is done it in a way that is very special. charlie: you want it equally balanced between the u.s. and the world? nancy gibbs: it is a majority non-us. although many of these figures their footprints are very global, so where they operate from does not necessarily matter. charlie: that is why obama is on and vladimir putin is on. nancy gibbs: we asked obama to write about narendra modi. we asked david cameron to write about the new iraqi prime minister, the king of jordan to write about the king of saudi arabia. i think that sometimes gives us a little measure of understanding that might be hard to get otherwise. charlie: by the way, just to be a little bit self-promotional a body is on the program tonight. -- abadi is on the program tonight. people who might not necessarily know, who is maria kondo? nancy gibbs: maria has taken the world by storm and telling us about how to de-clutter. getting rid of the stuff that clutters up our drawers and heads. it has been this remarkable phenomenon, because she talks about looking at every object you own and asking whether or not it brings you joy, and that idea that having as much stuff as is possible for us all to have now may become almost word in some and that she is giving people a kind of prescription for that problem. it has turned out to be this fascinating kind of global phenomenon. charlie: elizabeth holmes, a brilliant young entrepreneur. nancy gibbs: the founder of theranos. enabling us to diagnose with a much simpler test. charlie: and henry kissinger. nancy gibbs: she left stanford to start this company, and she really has been capturing the imagination of people who see some of the most important innovations, whether it is in technology or medicine or the arts coming from people at much earlier ages than they might once have. it is possible now to have an enormous impact without having spent 30 years in your field without necessarily having billions of dollars behind you. we have seen that over and over again, of these ideas that very young people are often coming up with and are able to ultimately get funding for because of the power of the idea itself. now, i will point out that not everyone on the list is a good guy. not all influence is benign, so kim jong-un is on the list. and vladimir putin. he won the pole. -- the poll. i think people understand influence for good or ill, and obviously, we much prefer to feature people who are making a positive difference, but there is no question that putin is someone who has both power and influence. you said at the outset that this is our powerless. there really is a difference -- our power list. it really is not. there really is a difference especially now where influence is so much more democratic and, again, that is because of technology. if you have a good idea, if you write a great song, you can distribute that. you can build an audience for that so quickly, so globally without necessarily being part of the traditional institutions that once controlled who had access to that kind of audience. charlie: who out of the obvious, obama, putin, who has been on the list? for a wild, opera was on seven or eight list. nancy gibbs: for the third year in a row, the youngest is melala. and then looking at victims of gun violence. this year, it was written by a 17-year-old syrian girl, a refugee, who talked about how malala talked about girls staying in school, that you have to get an education, that no one is going to save you. that you have to save ourselves, and a very powerful voice of a young woman listening to the voice of another young woman, for these girls in these incredibly challenging situations, and i found that a very powerful one. charlie: are they hard choices for you? nancy gibbs: it is hard, because, obvious and, there are more than 100 people. you can say that one is a symbol of many, many other people who are doing extraordinary things. charlie: when do you start thinking about this? nancy gibbs: the day after we close. we start thinking about next year's list today. charlie: thanks for being here. ♪ charlie: gunter grass died monday at age 87, and german chancellor angela merkel said grass shaped germany's postwar history with his social and political engagement. he was here on our program in 2007 for an interview, and here is an excerpt from that conversation. [video clip plays] charlie: characterize what you have done by telling us about your experience. gunter grass: i talk about my mistakes, not asking questions. for me, that is much heavier. it was not my guilt. there is no reason to speak about guilt. you can say why i did not say it before loudly. i did in the 1960's, and no one listens, and afterwards, i did not speak about it. if you should take it should be a mystic then it should be a mystic. for me to decide by myself to speak about all what has happened to me. as a boy and as a young man. my young years, not only i this -- by this one point all of this time together, needing some time to write about, and i think the decision to do it in my late years was good. because my memory is just specialized for this part of my life much better than it was before. ♪ est." where we cover innovation, business, and the future of technology. i am corey johnson. a check of your bloomberg top headlines. greek government has ordered local governments to move their money to central banks. reese remains in a standoff with this creditors, trying to unlock further bailout money. european union leaders will hold a meeting later this week talking about migrant wo

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