From our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Anthony bourdain is here. He is a chef, author, television personality, known for his candid approach. Eric ripert has told him the Indiana Jones of the world. Unknown, takes him all over the world. I am pleased to have Anthony Bourdain at the table. You seem awfully mellow today. Is there a particular reason for that . I am coming right from jujitsu. It is a humbling experience getting squashed by younger, more fit experienced people. Why jujitsu . Things like something you would know for a long time. I started at 58. It is the last thing in the world i could have ever imagined running to do or enjoying. I have never hung out in a gym. Describede this to learn a new skill at my age is satisfying. On thehe person lowest totem pole in the kitchen, knowing nothing, the incremental, tiny satisfactions of being a little less awful at something every day, that is jujitsu for me. I am learning an entirely new skill. A difficult one. A physically demanding one. One that i think about what the rest of the day. They call it is a gold chest physical chess. What else in your life has had a trajectory . I am a guy who likes making things. When i was a chef, i like multitasking. I like making things, whether it is a tv show, a story, a plate of food. I do not really even need to have it afterwards. The process, i think being a you toooking conditions the satisfactions of properly executing a single plate. When theprivate moment plate sits there momentarily in the window before it goes out into the dining room to be ruined. Where you look at it and you know that you did this particular thing well. It is a very private moment. I think that has been useful in learning to like something so temporary. So fleeting. Useful inat has been being happy in television and writing. You know, i like the process. The editing process. The preproduction process. The nuts and bolts. The technical satisfaction of putting these elements together in conjunction with other people. And having one tiny Golden Moment where you say, that looks pretty good. You seem to have a value structure as well. Personal value structure, so there are things you do not want to do. You never wanted to march into product endorsement. You knew what you are capable of doing in terms of value structure and not capable of doing. It seems like the things you are not capable of doing, you could not do them. And you walk away. It is not a matter of integrity. There is the quality of life issue. Will i be able to it with whatever decision i make today . Will i be able to live with her tomorrow, a year from now . Mistakes inso many my life was ultimately helpful. I think achieving any kind of 44 also wasge helpful. I have learned how to say no to things that might hurt me or make me unhappy. Might make you unhappy or do damage to you. Most of my creative and Business Decisions around a simple principle. Who will i have to speak to on the phone for a regular basis . If the phone rings and i pick it is someone i would not ordinarily want to have a conversation with go to dinner with, i certainly do not want to be in business with them. I do not want that in my life. It will lead to bad stuff. And i want to keep them away. You mentioned people have been enormously important, your wife and kid. Changed you in a way. You were noten really looking for wife. We met on a blind date arranged by eric ripert. Were, she is crazy. Have fun. Do not get serious area. And then you got serious. Age was a guy who, until 50, though i might have your for what a normal life might be like, i think i recognize i was not up for the job. At some point after meeting my wife, i had that thought again. Wouldnt it be cool to have a child . With it this time came the knowledge that i am ready. I am actually old enough. I would be good at this. Im not only want to, but i can. Is it necessary to be good at it . It is necessary in my view. You owerything everything. I have disappointed people in my life, and this is something i wanted to get right. Tois such a wonderful thing find you were no longer the star of your own movie. It is such a great thing to realize it is not about me anymore. It is about this little girl. That is an enormous pleasure and privilege. I feel relieved of the burden, actually. You said holding her in your arms, you realize this brings you more satisfaction than you could imagine. Yeah. Especially to be the father of a little girl. It is a particular delight. That the way of it is what other fathers, the sun and moon . I do not know how it is with other fathers. Also, heroin and crack ,ocaine to not know you then you say he is too smart for that. There are plenty of smart people on drugs. Back, i was delivered only doing stupid things. With malice of forethought. Whatever you do, do not do that. There is the smart option and the release of the suicidal one. I would absolutely with determination had with the stupid one. Why . I dont know. Happy, i guess, with something. Not satisfied with the world the way i saw it. The right decisions for most of my life when i had exhausted every other option. To look at your show, i think i understand why it is so good. Why do you think it is so good, without being in modest . Immodest . I worked with the same people for years. We are a type of people love film, who enjoy their work. Who experienced an extraordinary amount of reading creative. Doing what we are doing. We insist on having fun doing what we are doing. Demand. Outfit,e a handcrafted embarking on an adventure together, doing our best to keep it interesting for ourselves. To find new ways to tell often similar stories. You find new ways to tell stories. It is not about finding new stories to tell as much as it is finding out how to tell the same story. This persons culture, this persons culture. We are asking simple questions. It is often a similar story arc. I go someplace, i eat a bunch of stuff. I come to conclusion or i dont. And over food, you talk about who they are, what makes them happy. That is actually a pretty complex story. If you go to the congo or iran or libya, you are going to get some very surprising, very nuanced, very complicated answers. Provincetown. I was just looking to do a completely different story. That story was about heroin. It was not about a place. I went back to provincetown tracking my own progress, sort descentinto drugs into drugs, as was emerging as a major drug epidemic in new england and other small towns. Heroine, not crack cocaine. N. It is heroi when i first started reading about it, the small, predominantly white, Norman Rockwell towns all over america that have moved from legally prescribed oxycontin to epidemics of heroin use. Probably the worst urban street drug there is. I find that interesting. Likely, thehe most best argument for depicting heroine as a problem. It is going to be the easiest sell. What precise moment did it become a criminal problem . Who is a junkie and who is someone who has been overprescribed . Ofse questions become sort tricky to answer. Where are you going, in a sense . You are at cnn and do the other thing too. But cnn talked about you as representative of the future. That what you have done is representative of the future of where one Cable Network wants to go. Where are you going . I am not looking that far in the future. Nothing about me sees you as a guide with has planned his life out. [laughter] going . E am i i see what we do as an adjunct to the news. We are telling stories about peoples everyday lives. More often than not. That i think are useful. You know, when you are reading about iran right now, who are we talking about . Whether or notg they hate america but who they are. We do not see that side. It is uncomfortable sometimes. It is confusing, complicated. Things generally television of hors. Ab world. Is a big i will keep doing what i am doing as long as it is fun. As long as we find creative ways to tell those stories. What is the idea of whats for dinner . One makes you happy if you are away or let tom left home. I often ask what is the dish that you crave . The First Experience of food or drink you want to have when you get back. And, you know, there is a lot of information in the answer. Do with who is eating, who is not eating, what your social Economic Situation was growing up. Ethnically, where this food might have come from. I find that fascinating. The other stuff intrudes. We never intended to become a political show. As i also said, there is nothing more clinical than food. This is a scene from provincetown. We will see another one from where you first worked as a cook. Many of the old places are gone. But the lobster pot is still going strong, all these years later. It still has what i want and need, the essentials. My friends worked in the kitchen, starting a tradition that cooking work was noble toil. I was getting to that. This is homemade portuguese soup. Made on the premises. A version of soup caldo verde. Chorizo, kidney beans, potatoes. That is what i love about the food here. The portuguese thing. With sausagened and breadcrumbs three some sherry and sauce. I was a deadbeat for a while. And then my friend comes home from work and says, our dishwasher did not show up today and you are our new dishwasher. I put on the apron and did not take it off for 30 years. I would hang out on the beach until 3 00. It was fun. Work, drink all night, getting high. You had all the liquor you wanted. All the sex you wanted. And it was still an essential part of the economy. Believe me, i remember. Tell me who he is. Stillt is john ingling, owns and operates a pizzeria thirty eight in provincetown. He was a central figure in my life and now a respected elder statesman in provincetown. Can you see progress yearbyyear . In terms of how you present the material that you see . Somebody asked me, what other documentarians are influential to you . And the answer is none. We spend a lot of time looking at dramatic films, foreign films, classic films. Particular eye towards storytelling, timeline, editing. We use those as reference points and inspiration. Snstance, stephen sadr oderberghs the limey. It keeps falling back on itself. We are always looking to use a device like that. So you watch that and say, you have to see this. It is really interesting. Or does images watch that and take a listen less and incorporated . Kari will be watching wong wai, and i meet with my crew, and say i want that look. The lush camera angles, the movements. We are all film nerds. It gets us excited. They go out and watch wong kar wai films, and we talk about how we are going to do that for less. Emagin of career as a filmmaker . I produce independent films. I am working on two now. Like what . A documentary for cnn all fulllength feature on a famous chef. And another project. I hear you. This is research about you that really fascinated me. We talk about a mission statement. Whether it is soldiers or athletes or anything else. This is it. Bourain says it is a qualityoflife issue. Are we probably what we are doing . Do we have anything to regret tomorrow . Those things are huge to me. That is what we want to create. That is what i was talking about as values. I want to look in a mirror and be happy with what i did yesterday. I have been fortunate to avoid that feeling. It is important to me to feel good about what i did yesterday. Take a look at this. Going into this, give me a sense of where your head was as you got on the plane. I had been wanting and trying, unsuccessfully, to get to iran with a crew for five years. Are you intrigued by the place beyond the politics . I had heard from a few people who had been that i would be surprised. , the way i would be treated on the street by iranians, was very much at all iran we knowthe from the news. I heard the food was fantastic. I knew that very few people had had the opportunity to do the kind of show i was interested in doing. Just hanging out with people. Showing people doing their thing. Have beenmething i trying to do for a long time. The window open. Were allowed. Others were not, but we were allowed. And you said yes . Finally. And we did our best. We knew that this was an incredible opportunity. Try very hard to do the best work we could. Did it change your impression of iran . It is so confusing. I have seriously said that very few places i have ever been have been as overtly friendly to us just by virtue of being american. This incredible sense of, where are you from . America. Fantastic. Come to my house. This with the down with america mural on the wall. Very friendly. From how we are sort of conditioned, knowingly or not, to expect iran to be and look. Barcelonaind of like tehransuburbs of rome in. Said, everything is fine until it is not. As we found out with someone we spoke to in the show, suddenly, it was not good at all. We had a lovely person with us on the show. They behaved impeccably. Shortly after the show, he was arrested and basically disappeared into the prison system. And has not been heard from since. Take a look. Parts unknown, iran. Does not look, does not feel, the way i expected. Neither east nor west. But always somewhere in the middle. Well, it looks spectacular. It is timeconsuming, expensive. So persian cuisine has to be experienced in somebodys home. This is slow cooked lamb and yogurt . Gilbert, saffron, and any of. Art gallery owner insisted i come over for lunch with friends and family. Here we have sour cherry rice with chicken. Sour cherry. More than any other nation, we use our cherry. Nahim has been the family cook for generations. Ace and saffron baked into crispy dough. Rice is not a side dish. It can be the main event. You put more on the table than anyone could conceivably. Eight eat. If you do not like your guest, you do not put anything. Ground beef, onions, rice. Apricots, and tomato. We are a very interesting nation. The contradictions are enormous. Take you to our house, our hearts, all of that. That is really extreme in so many ways. You see this tortured iran for manyn years. How do you think americans will react . [laughter] what was the answer to the . I said or to the absence of evil . He said, we are never evil, like everybody else. The women in particular, very assertive. Very opinionated. Of the religious police. We hear what is set by the government, the clergy. But how people talk and hold themselves, it is very surprising. That, ifdy speculated you go to some countries, the more the regime loves us, americans, the more the people hate us. And the more the regime hates us, the more the people love us. And they use iran as the best example of that. Dont know. The shahtainly loved us. A country, very old empire with a deep traditional love of poetry and music. Filmmaking today. Things that are very much at odds with the official attitude towards these deeply persian characteristics. Very conflicted. And you can really see it kind of playing out in an unspoken way. Desire to figure out what is permissible, who we want to be. Where are we going . There is a real simmering of something. Ieling like something got the feeling sometimes in tehran that if someone pulled off and started playing dance music in a car, like a broadway musical, everyone was dancing. Thank you for coming. A joy always. Anthony bourdain. Back in a moment. John noseworthy is here. He is the president and ceo of the mayo clinic in rochester. Named the best hospital in the nations here. It is celebrating its 100 80th anniversary. It is undergoing major changes, including a 20 year, 6 billion plan to make rochester a destination medical center. Im pleased to have you up his table. Is up privileged to be here. I think everyone has an appreciation that mayo clinic is a first rate institution. T replication proceeds you reputation precedes you. What is it in your judgment . We were the first and now the largest integrated Multidisciplinary Group practice of medicine. We are rooted in research and education. Essentially, the guiding purpose of the clinic is the needs of the patient come first, and we do our work with teamwork. That is essentially what we have done for 150 years. We have a staff completely dedicated to patients. And we move forward to predict the future needs of where Health Care Needs to go. We have some unusual features, as i am sure you know. Our physicians are salary. The institutions physician led, every position is paired with an administrator to make sure the business works well. We have a committed staff. We are not for profit. Humanitarian organization. We branched out from rochester to arizona. We built a National Network of affiliated hospitals and Health Care Groups with which we share information so they can provide better care to folks around the nation and mexico and puerto rico. It is a service to work there. My impression of mayo clinic is that one has at his or her service a whole variety of experts. And there is a look at that wellbeing coming from many directions . One of the innovations was a single medical record. That started in the early 1900s. A patient came to mayo clinic. The record was shared with other health care providers. Wherever the patient went, the record went with them. Prior to that, doctors kept their ledgers private. At mayo, you have a position that sees you first. If we need to bring in a host of folks, they Work Together to meet the needs of that patients. Either facetoface or electronically. And then everything is summed together. It has worked very well. It is a Teaching Institution . It is one of the largest Teaching Institutions in the country. We trained 1500 specialists a year. We have one of the largest graduate medical programs. The allied Health School is very large. Their goal is to train the workforce of tomorrow. Currently, we are looking at what the Health Care Workforce will look like 10 or 15 years down the road, especially with technology involved. You are trying to be a step ahead of we can. How does it look 10 years from now . I think different from it looks today. I think it can be better. There is a movement in developed countries to share what we know more broadly across physicians. I think patients are expecting that. Andthey are expecting deserve patientcentered care. It has not happened broadly, but i think it it will. I think patients will take a greater role in making decisions in their life. Healthy decisions about tobacco, alcohol, meditation and exercise. I see them moving forward. Are going to want an emphasis on digital technologies. So they have what they need 24 7 to make good decisions. The United States does not have a good, Sustainable Health care system. It is fragmented, quality i