From our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Marin cilic is here among here is a look at the matchpoint. [cheers] [applause] and john to money, your u. S. Open champion, marin cilic. Ladies and gentlemen. He dispatched the fivetime u. S. Open champion in three dominant sets. At 35, he is one of the small contingent vying to be among the murray, rogery jovak. R, drabek nobi we love tennis. We salute you and congratulate you. At matchpoint, what were you thinking . Had three love and i made it a double. Serve, i just tried to relax and go for it. It went in. It was a huge emotion. Just the culmination of everything that youve worked for. Absolutely. To go back and think about how much it means to me and how much i was working for this all my life just hoping to make it one day to lift the trophy especially in this era with all murray,reats, federer, it seems almost unreal. Who have been your tennis heroes . Of course, your coach. In croatia, that is the easiest question. Earlier inted you your life. He selected your coach. He was recovering from his shoulder injury. He won the wimbledon championship and he played in zagreb many times. His x coach me to who was with me for many years. What did he do for you . Goran, this last year that we worked together brought special things to me. We were working toward that. So much in the offseason and also this year to change my mindset to believe in what i have to do to try and become very dangerous and try to use all of my potential. The beginning of the season was not easy. My mind was trying to keep me back. There was this ongoing battle but i broke through somewhere in the middle of the season. What was the battle . It was a battle with myself whether the change is good. To accept the change. Is the rightt this way for me. Once i went for it, i felt my game suddenly reached another peak. Everybody in the team sort of felt that really good results are going to come. Was it an attitude . And not totude backup from my game, from the aggressive approach. Before in my career, i was the kind of player where i was thinking a lot tactical. It was trying to do less preoccupation. Now it is amazing. Are being layers now coached by former champions, people who have been to the championship, been to the top. Is this what they add to your game . Yes. They are also experienced. What helped me the most, what i have felt now, goran went through all of this in his career. He he played four times of the grand slam final. I was absolutely sure he was going to give me the advice i needed and i did not need to question myself or think of just let myself be in his hands. Just for the match, he gave me probably the best but most simple advice before i went on the court to enjoy it out there. Have fun. The other guys going to be very nervous but just try to enjoy it. Did you enjoy it . [laughter] absolutely. My hand was shaking. I was not sure how it was going to end up. I was lucky to get the first break and that helped me to get the advantage. Who gives you the most difficulty among the singles players . Djokovic. Is good. Him 10 times. I had never beaten him. Way a this in some blessing in disguise . Motivation,ave you time to work on your game in a different way . Me, it was a new start. When i was going through that process. First of all, when i went through that, i knew nothing else was going to be as difficult for me in my life, in my tennis career, then that. It made me extremely mentally tough on the court. In the gym, i was working really hard. Just by going through that process, i wanted to come back much stronger, much more know motivated. Much more the first tournament i played after that, i felt so joyful on the court just hitting some balls. I did not even bother if i was going to win or lose. It was just pure joy. Unbidden knowing to you, you had done something that had turned up in a test . Usually i was always taking like after training. I ran out of it. I was in monaco. I got some glucose tablets over test themi did not and i accidentally ingested some substance. It was sort of hidden from the median and through the process. This is bound only in competition and it is allowed out of competition. When i took it it was out of competition. I lost the first match of the tournament so i did not make anybody lose because of that. We had to find the metabolite of these substances and they were enacted. Wasas showing the substance in the system, out of competition. I see its on the list. It would be ok for me to take it. That, itound out about was already three months after and i already went through the first hearing. Even the notification letter i received that i was positive on the main substance which was not found in my system. That was really difficult to deal with. Finally i got away out of that. That was made in my favor. I also received financial help from the opposing side. And you appealed. Yes. What makes a champion . Everything he does on the , being ablehe court to day after day fishing yourself more and more. That is ongoing process neverending. Youre just trying to maximize your potential. For the number one players in the world, they are still always trying to perform better, trying to be better. Thats the beauty of the sport. Champions, they never accept the failure. I feel they are not easy on themselves. They are very hardworking. Goals. Their these are not qualities you pick up when you are 17. It is not. I was blessed with a talent to work and to learn. From my longtime coach. He taught me about the game almost everything. He is probably one of the best coaches in the world in a tactical, psychological, physical way. He learned my mindset, how to read the game. You know it was tennis you wanted to devote your life to . I was 14 years old. New you are good, people had told do you had the potential to be a champion . You knew you were good . I came from a very small town no traditions for tennis. Had to choose to either continue with my school or go to the capital, zagreb, to continue my training and my tennis. Life tod all of my tennis. You said in an interesting way to all the people out there who watched you yesterday that if you work hard you have a chance. Yes, absolutely. Especially in sports, tennis particularly, you are out there on your own. Many swirling around in the top 20, top 30, even lower ranked players. They are missing just a small bit. It is always difficult to motivate yourself after mean what separates the top ranked in the not small ranked is a small thing . A very small thing. Today everyone in the top 30, 40, even top 100 knowhow to play tennis, of course. The best ones have the best abilities. They know the game the best and they have everything they need to have to be at the top. If you are looking at some like one who was ranked 25 and he made it to the quarterfinals. You have so many guys ranked 40 that reallyen know how to play tennis. Congratulations again. It was really remarkable. Roger federer and then yesterday winning the u. S. Open. Remarkable. Even you did not imagine it would be that easy. Never. To play the best tennis of my life in the last three matches of the tournament, i could not have dreamed it. The best tennis of your life . Absolutely. Nextcannot wait to see the time you play djokovic. You probably have more confidence now. I feel more confidence now with this victory. I gained perspective for my mind that what i do is good and its going to be enough to win against the best guys. Even this year, with novak, we played it wimbledon i was there. I slipped that but im feeling very close to win very many more of those matches. The message of this interview is watch out, novak. [laughter] hopefully. Comeback the csf the table. It was a pleasure. Comeback back to see us at the table. Back in a moment. We continue our conversation on isis this evening. The militant Group Becomes even too extreme for some fellow jihadist. Some members are bending the cause. We have two journalist with great knowledge of the issue and region. News foreign, cbs correspondent who recently interviewed a man who left after fighting in syria. And tim arango, the New York Times baghdad correspondent. Isis militants claim to have killed 1700 shiite soldiers at a former American Army base in june. Heres a look at the interview. The recruits tried to flee. But it was too late. Isis had arrived. Later, the recruits were paraded in public view marching toward their death. Im pleased to have both of them back at the table. Welcome. The president has an important speech to make. What is the imperative of the moment, as you see it . The imperative of the moment is to deal with not just the but ton a military level deal with this toxic ideology which is spreading like wildfire and intersecting particularly young, disaffected men not only in the middle east but we are seeing now much more in the west. , needs to be considered in tandem with any military strategy going forward. You have to tackle the ideology. Us in the west, the american government, we cannot be the one leading that charge. The aides to come from within the muslim community. That hasresident to come from within the muslim community. For the president , he needs to explain why we need to go all. N and a military intervention he has to explain that. Thats is imperative. You think hes taken a huge risk to do with he seems prepared to do. Not going all in because we are not talking about putting american troops there. Thehey talk about Training Army again. It was an absolute failure. Thekurds, they talk about peshmerga. As soon as they move away from the border at the kurdish region, they are not going to go back. Just fighting sunni allies has tried to reconstitute the awakening of the program from. 006 they do not want to fight on behalf of the government again. Just because theres been a change in the government in baghdad. And does not mean anything yet. They are talking about how the inclusive government is here. All we are talking about is the right sectarian and ethnic break down of the cabinet. Almaliki had that, too. The question is the behavior of the prime minister. Were not going to have a kurdish guy here, and everything will be fine. What do we know about him that might land that he wants to be more inclusive . From the exact same party as almaliki but his job in exile was political affairs. Malik he a malik he was in when dustin actions against iran. They will say his personality is inclusive and that might be true plessys under great pressure. The americans have said we will not do more in terms of the military operations unless you form an inclusive government and treat the sunni and kurds as participants. Among people split who come to this table about what our relationship should be with assad. This. Eel strongly about as a journalist i know you are not supposed to have strong feelings, but lets look at this for a second with the. You have more or less 200,000 people who have been savagely, brutally murdered over the course of three years by this man, this desperate, this did haider. This dictator. There has not been a huge amount of action from the international community. Then isis comes along and within a really short time, a few months, we are talking about airstrikes. There is a huge sense of momentum. We need to address this issue and thats absolutely right. Imagine now you are a sunni muslim. You do not support isis but you still feel very strongly that assad is evil and has committed war crimes. There is no way you can just let this man and this regime off the one without alienating billion sunni muslims in the process. People feel very strongly about this. I have moderate sunni muslim fans who say if we get friends who say you are looking at moderates putting on suicide bombs. Thats how strongly people feel about this. This reputation that we sometimes have for just adapting convenient that fellows is a dangerous, dangerous line to walk. Everyone thinks isis comes from nowhere and thats the perception among a lot of people. We used to, Isis Al Qaeda and iraq. Assad had a lot to do with allowing al qaeda in iraq to flourish. He wanted to tie down the americans because he was worried they were going to come for him next. Run byere safe houses Syrian Intelligence to help the foreign fighters come into joint al qaeda to find the americans. Theou have just not seeing level of bombardment. Have barely seen when you compare this to aleppo day in and day out relentless bombardment, you have not seen that kind of show of force or attack. For a long time, i think isis is very convenient tool for assad buy the to continue to opposition. Ultimately it will come back to you know what. What if we went all in with iraq . Lets talk about that. The u. S. And iran are dancing around each other the same side saying they are not coordinating. In some battles you have the american warplanes in the sky and the he was on the battle recently in Northern Iraq and these are the best fighters, the shia militia that iran supports. They were doing the Ground Fighting and americans were bombing. The americans coordinate the airstrikes with the iraq he army and im sure obviously they are coordinating with the iranians. There are Kurdish Forces on the ground so they are already working together and it shows just how much of a disaster iraq is and how dramatic the change is. They were the primary enemies of the americas. They were the ones who were killing the americans as they were packing up and leaving, these very powerful ids traced back to iran. Its interesting. Hes actually an iraq. He was on that particular day. He was in baghdad in june mosul first moisu fell. Why do we have to be getting involved . Clear,ly, there is a compelling reason isis needs to be taken down, but why do we have to throw ourselves . There is a pendulum effect where we throw our weight hide these guys and then the other guys when really, the guys who need to be dealing with this, saudi arabia, turkey, qatar. Those conversations are taking place. Nowhats a tough sell right because there are 49 turkish diplomats isis is holding. Thats why publicly, erdogan has not been supportive of the airstrike but privately he is encouraging them. Tell me about the conversations youve had with the guy who survived. And went to his house twice iraq. The first time i showed up, he was picking dates in his uncles orchard and he was moving on with his life. By that time, he was sort of eager to tell his story. It was just a gripping story. I have not seen the video yet because another journalist had done that. Lot about not just his story and how much of a miracle it was that it was just another great example of how much a disaster the iraq he army was. Iraqi army was. He was in tikrit. They were coming down and they freak out. They say that the officers told them to drop your weapons, put on your track suits and sandals, walk out the door. They were told global tribes would protect them. That is the shot you saw of all of the men walking down the street. The really sad irony is all they had to do was stay at home. Al malik he went there a few weeks ago and renamed it. It never fell. I think they were tricked. The local tribes took art and the massacre. There are lots of evidence to back that up. It sort of brought us back to the days of Saddam Hussein where you have industrialscale killings of shiites and this is on the grounds of his palace. Allegedly. Who is it you have been talking to . Ive been talking to a Broad Spectrum of western jihadist inside syria and iraq. Some of them fighting with isys come a others fighting for lesserknown smaller groups within months we will probably see them cease to exist because there is really one act in town these days. It is very interesting to see. I spoke a lot to one australian, a young guy. The way he talks, the rhetoric he uses, its a lot to me that is sort of reminiscent. If you had grown up in southcentral, maybe he would have joined a gang. Still a similar space that gangs can fill in the sense of the spirit of fraternity, a sense of belonging , a sense of feeling, purpose, feeling disaffected and this and franchised in your own community at home. Perhaps idealistically based on these conversations, i believe we have to be very careful going ahead and how we look at new militants look at in many of them have perpetrated war crimes and are mentally unsound, clearly need to be punished for whatever it is that i have done, but there are others who perhaps have gotten themselves into a situation that they now really cannot get out of it as it has become bigger than them. Theres a lot of naivete there. I hope as governments go ahead with the europeans in terms of working out how to deal with these young men both in their communities, when they are coming home, when they might be leaving, that they try to keep in mind two things. All, in many cases, these are fragile young man who are extremely psychologically vulnerable to the type of ease and simplicity of the isis message and therefore, i think we need to look a lot at the radicalization and that is a process. Simply taking away everybodys passports is not necessarily going to be the answer going ahead here. That isr thing important to take into consideration, i interviewed foughtung european who jihad for two years in syria and ultimately he decided to leave because he was so horrified by what isys was doing he went to fight the regime and to defend the Syrian People when he saw they were killing other muslims, other islamists, for him he had this revelation where he said he could not be a part of it. To paradise and then go to hell because im killed another muslim. As he goes back to europe, i would ask what more powerful deterrent is therefore another down hisld be jihaddi testimony . To have as are going very, very tough line to walk as they decide which of these guys they just need to throw in to takewhen its best an absolute hardline, and which of them can maybe be rehabilitated and then the v a really important and invaluable voice to hopefully try to pull some of these other guys away from isys. Isis. Why is it so hard to train the iraq he army . [laughter] iraqi army . Great question. Its very widespread. You can buy general offer positions the theres an even bigger, more widespread of those. Ho have these jobs they get their monthly salary in half of it goes to the Commanding Officer and they never show up. There is also just an identity if you are going to fight for your country or your sect. Were considered an Occupying Force like in the and bar province. Nobody down the chain is empowered to make decisions. That is through iraqis society and that is the legend of saddam. Or peopleno ncos like that to make decisions down the line. 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