Hello zhen, you know, lately we really have a very large number of socalled leaders public opinion. You are one of them who , uh, very brightly and very eccentrically express their point of view, eccentrically in terms of, really memorable here no criticism. You and i have known each other for a long time. Uh, no matter how we criticize, we criticize, no, but weve known each other for a long time and work together, so uh, im really impressed by your approach, and you know, why i turned to you, because september 17 became a kind of milestone when people even expressing their opinion in relation to, for example, certain actions within the country and certain actions outside. They are one. It so happened that the brightest thought, it still leads to that no matter how harsh you are, in some statements in the good sense of the word. Whatever someone is. Well, lets put it this way. The more loyal ones still come to the idea that september 17 is the date that makes us think that we are all here under one redgreen flag. We really do. If there is an enemy, although we said in the last program that its difficult for us to come up with an enemy for belarusians. Thats why september 17 may not have become for us, until that date, like may 9, then the enemy we defeated the germans, the date is clear, and here yes black and white. And here the poles and i lived for a long time, at least as neighbors. And even more so, as a person who has houses on the border with poland, dont you know that the poles, in principle, are the poles of power. These are different poles who live there 3 km from your house. In the next head, yes, they are, in principle, the same as us, and the people who live in warsaw and create the policy are against which we ultimately had to. Make this holiday political proscenium. These are other people, different vladimirovich, firstly, xvii faith from them is that we have the same, and what about returning for someone. No, we didnt return on september 17 to please or because of someone. And it seems to me that we simply threw out the bait for the future, you see, just consider it for the fact that we were under the yoke of a masters puga. But then they came out like this and became selfsufficient, it is too narrowly viewed not only under the poles there were many invaders trampling on our land. Yes, forged nazi boots before this this korotkevich. It is enough to remember to read. Yes, there, uh, its written here and there in runes, archaeologists found an arrow. So, belarus, uh, it was and is a payment for the fact that we are at the crossroads and in uh different cultures. We understand, this is the bifurcation point. At the heart of europe and so on. Thats why youre embarrassed to say the phrase. We were under polish occupation. Why not . A . Just tell me five 10 years ago. We avoided this phrase, because now we are selfsufficient , everything and one more in the twentieth and after the twentieth year. We showed what belarusians are like the voice of official minsk is getting louder and louder, although we can speak quietly , the whole world listens to us. Well, you know, and we are talking about the fact that 510 years ago we were embarrassed about something there. And it seems to me that this is a process of growing up. Well, that is, when you know something, its another moment when you realize something and come to something on your own. And now, just Like National unity day. Well, he showed up just in time. Andrey, in my opinion. Lets discuss this with you. In my opinion, just at the moment when we experienced the most such powerful, probably, in our entire sovereign history, the crisis when we, uh, received such a slap in the face, sobering, and when we finally turned to the fact that, uh, we listened for a long time, that some told us that we are like that , others said that we are like that we finally looked inside ourselves and realized what was important to us. Our integrity and unity are important to us. And uh, in my opinion, the fact is that this holiday appeared precisely in the post crisis period, but before the moment when , uh, these shocks caught up with us. And this is such a hmm, balancing moment . That is what hmm shows us now is the only important value, well, thats my opinion, yours. Well lets see. This is what happened 15 years ago, a garden appeared , klanowskis program appeared, poles cards appeared, that is, we did not answer this in any way. We had friendship, chewing gum, there were a number of circumstances from transit there to gas and thats it. Anything further comes on the quest of the party of law and justice. This was the fifteenth year and the entire polish system that existed before was breaking down. Well, somehow we answered this all. Well, probably not either, but why . Lets look at the people who then worked in the polish direction. This is the same brat who was a diplomat there, lets say these are people who left behind traces of contacts who carried out certain developments in life there. And we are surprised. Why are we searching for such a direction today that we are unsuccessful, nothing good is happening there. Well, lets say this is a systemic policy both on our part and on their part, which led to this further aggravation, if we look at the structures of these tv channels. They were taken out of the structure. Lets say even polishlooking. That is, this is not just some kind of stv, but as an independent channel there is nothing like that. That is, this is a structure that worked specifically on foreign policy. It specifically broadcast to belarus. That is, is such a structure possible without having the concept of some kind of budget task. Well , of course not. Then the telegram channels known to us appear, which did not appear in the twentieth year, after all, they have been working for one and a half to two years. Before this, again, well, we watched it all, read it, well then, save it. Tears, what russia is getting the nord stream gas pipeline, everything will be fine. Zelensky will implement the minsk agreement and everything will be fine. Yes . Poroshenko might not have started the war either. If only we had a subpoena. We, in principle, always had some kind of hope, what . Well, its probably worse, maybe , well, maybe itll get better, but in the end it turned out to be a military operation ; before that, there was a crisis in kazakhstan; it turned out to be our twentieth year and the polish brothers. All this time that they were doing this to us. Well, like this you know, when youre drowning, you have to hit it on the head with an oar, like, a dog is languishing. So they showed themselves wonderfully and today, when we are so lightly lightly, we answer them with a holiday. And it even meets such resistance. Voight screams. No no, no ours. I think we did it for ourselves, and not in response. What are you looking at . Im andrey e. How is poland . It seems to me that the only country in august 2020, qatar, really wanted. Maybe im wrong, to grab some territories from belarus, not lithuania, not ukraine, not the russians, latvia poland many people tell the story about polish flags in grodno. But this is so, well, you know, there seemed to be two centers that would work for us, this is the Lithuanian Center from the territory of lithuania and the polish center. They competed with each other. That is, if you take our american brothers, they work from the territory of lithuania there, if you take some british there, they work from a voice there with a certain and also for us, that is, you understand a lot of interesting things in belarus, from here there are several lines that worked for us and what they we ended up in poland on the telegram channel. Well , you know, just the best place to work. They could work for us from the territory of ukraine and from anywhere else, but you said correctly, this is still the length of this holiday itself , september 17th. You can endlessly blame them there. In something. They blame us too. But this does not seem to affect our daily life. But lets see whats around. Have you truly united or not . Such events take place, such as military operations. How does this affect us . This community is coming together. Or maybe, anyway, on the contrary, it closes less of those things, discusses some kind of disposal of war. That is, what we are discussing today. Here, as it were, is the current agenda, yes, and we look into the past. Yeah, in the larger case, you know, were looking at the present. Uh. Well, it seems that relying on the past does not work out any other way. Well, lets probably listen to the other guests. We recently prepared some materials, and you took part in it. And they just developed the topic of what types of mela poland had in belarus and has in in general, polyakovs desire is obviously not limited only to belarus, the lithuanians can also sleep peacefully. Lets explain why our neighbors really arent behaving calmly right now. Why are they doing this . I will ask our editors to now show the video that was made public yesterday. Why cant they calm down at the borders and simply say that our polish Border Guards are a little rude. Lets. Ill start with the fact that its actually the 20th century. This is generally the century of belarusians, our belarusianness. If i may say so, here 21 we must remember that we were not so much and not the most important thing is that we were. There are no poles under the thumb of the twenties. We built it ourselves. Or rather, they created, together with others, three more republics. We truly formed the most powerful state in the world and belonged to the greatest nation, the soviet people. In the twenties we built it, 30 we united in the forties, we defeated fascism, in the fifties we conquered mirny aptom and created nuclear weapons, which today ensure our security in the sixties. We flew to space in the seventies and eighties. We got belaz trucks. We won the olympics and in the nineties we finally built our own independent state. You see, against the backdrop of all this, he says that someone simply occupied us once. No. Look how progressively we moved towards everything and to the fact that we received this state. We deservedly did it. We made our blood our sweat and we should be immensely grateful to our ancestors, who really formed our state, our state as a pole, there and clicked in this holiday. Of course we did, well, it clicked. This is a holiday. He appeared. As they say, it is no coincidence that the year is thirtynine and september 17th. This is the day that really. Our people imagine for a second in the twentieth year. We would be split in half. Can you imagine what would be waiting for us in general, conditionally, if we even lived to see this scenario, now the fashionable future of ukraine, so those belarusians who live in poland today, you will remember in the early nineties there were 240,000 of them. And now , according to the census, its good there if we scrape together 40 those who are native belarusians living in belarus, poland of course, this does not give peace and never will. Look at his ambitions. What kind of money they are pouring into today to create their own empireconfederation . The federation is not fundamentally from the sea, they do not hide it. They will simply officially say no, this is not true, although in all domestic foreign policy. This is being discussed endlessly. On the one hand, they have now given all the weapons to ukraine, on the other hand, they are trying to quickly build it all up. While there is still 3 of gdp next year , 4 has already been officially declared, and this is only the official data of 4 , and we also know the hidden ones that are coming. Eh, precisely because the armies of other countries that are located in the territory are also being put into circulation. Thats what i would like to say, and this september. It not only affects our National Unity, you know. As they rightly said here , there is also lithuania, where i finally think its starting to dawn on them whats going on. We have so far talked about the complex geo strategic position of poland, but look what is the geostrategic position of poland . Today the germans already have lithuania. They have their own garrisons there almost on a permanent basis. The latest data has just arrived and is numbered. A new camp in beavers is being formed in maryam poli and is being formed near the goat ore landfill. It all goes there. Do you remember the german anthem that used to be from furniture to mass, germany alone , understand what you think . Well, furniture , yes, furniture, you understand that you think the germans forgot it, no, but the poles, who think that they also forgot rightly. Look please, what kind of cards are hanging in their schools, just look, and this is the education of generations, that is, everything is leading to the fact that today the most unenviable role of lithuania is there, the poles, who are watched by the germans, russia , which so far seems to have no claim at all to lithuania that is, it doesnt seem to have any of its own. Well, they managed to quarrel with them and call this city kings. Now, to please the poles , again, consider had a fight with the belarusians, and in the end they were left alone. Do you understand that the geopolitical situation and geostrategic geo strategic political also theirs in general today is probably the most flawed thing in our region, god forbid what happens, god forbid lithuania is just becoming sincere today. Its a pity that i say as much as i need to, that if we look at how the political elite is formed, and if what the view wrote about, he is there, speedkyavichus in his work, the ship of fools. If this continues today in the politics of this particular state, it will lead to the disaster of this state. Do you understand what amazes us all . On polish ukrainian russian and other channels they are talking about states, about some kind of cake, the russians are ashamed to listen to me, but well give it a little lower. And kyiv will be russian. What are you talking about . You say that armenia is now behaving incorrectly with nato. Some are already winning, they are saying that we will call ourselves the separatist territory and take control, it is impossible, since the state is not in the baltic states, nor in poland, nor in kiev, nor in moscow, understand one thing. Lets somehow return to some kind of common sense. It feels like at the beginning of the 21st century. Politicians went crazy and began to remember tsar pea, where there was such a state. Lets remember the great mongol empire , i remembered how russian women were taken out on carts, when the tatars, lets not go crazy. The first thing i want to say is that i dont think that this is a seizure of territory. This is defending the honor of russia because they tried to wipe their feet on it. Therefore, here are any arguments of certain freaks and scum , which i cannot call otherwise, which begin to talk about sovereign states. Like a some uh, so to speak, uh, personal one in the fatherland doesnt care about peoples lives, because the orders are through this operation. And behind each of these exclamations that we are great, we will come and put things in order here, the death of specific people has broken destinies, so Everyone Needs to calm down a little, and the poles are being skillfully used by the americans, inciting them to this uh election, well, their elections are on october 15. Lets take this incident at the border, if you know. For the animals that are in this fence, these are these brainless idlers who they begin to heat up the situation, pit people against each other, constantly create such a mood of mutual nonreconciliation and demonstrate the inability to negotiate on the other side. They are packed and sitting in a warm studio. They freeze in the trenches, and the rats dont gnaw at the heels. Therefore, you need to turn on your brain a little to understand what is happening now, the biggest disaster is the beginning of the 21st century on the european plain. The war is a fullfledged war, which has a very high chance of escalation, so people are people who call for a more moderate position greater respect for their Holiday Partners within the framework of the eurasian union, within the European Union and within the world community. They are more sensible. More responsible are those who rattle their tongues and take boys in shorts from the beach in ukraine to the front. Are they nazis or who are they . Listen to me. Lets use our brains, so my head of state should have a more peaceful and sensible policy. Yes, and i addressed the same poles more than once over the last few times and said exactly that to ours to the poles and to the polish authorities. He said that we are determined to build constructive, healthy , normal relationships with everyone. But, at the same time, he said, and all the analytical experts who monitor political events understand that on october 15th they have elections, this is a political campaign, everyone understands perfectly well that any political campaign, uh, does not take place exclusively on voting day. It starts long ago, and manipulates people. They can and, accordingly, they are shaking up the situation in poland demographic crisis, inflation, hostility between parties, everyone knows very well that capital is being repurchased by German Companies by american companies. As a matter of fact, in poland, despite the fact that the apparent mirror of european freedom was placed in front of the soviet union and everything seemed to be fine there. Not everything is good there. And thats why it s there. Well, this is belarus which suddenly suddenly has to, supposedly, attack it and it turns out that even the holiday that we have defined for ourselves as a state holiday holiday of National Unity. We are immediately told what you did against the poles. Although for sure, it was done a little like that. Listen to show that comrade poles. Lets be neighbors. They may be friends, but not enemies on the eve of the polish election campaign. Yes , many poles doubt that their voices will be heard, and even on the stv Television Company a lot of people come and talk about our various projects. So, poland is a state with borders in one direction. Well, she doesnt have any independence politics poland has turned into a restaurant drag on the tail, and there is nothing that unites like a fight against someone. That is, now, uh, thats it, its clear, the russians have become like , uh, belarusians, white orks. And the belarusians, in a different way, are those who stand guard, first of all , of russias rear, and the second point is very important for a peaceloving policy in europe if they listen in belarus there will be peace. They constantly provoke us. You know the migration crisis. Yes, that is, they condemned us, but there was some kind of forceful reaction. Well what can i say . They know what they see there what does it mean that we are so emotional, well, our leaders are externally emotional, although in fact a person who does not make uninformed decisions with external emotionality, understanding this. And i probably dont fully understand since they did this, but during this immigration crisis. Mm alexandrovich, i probably remember our colleague