he has to or she has to tell the woman, allow them to listen, for example, to the foetal heart monitor. so, before confirming their decision to have an abortion, they have to basically be shown evidence that they have a living being inside them, that the foetus is alive. and so the governmentjustifies this and says that it actually will help the woman to make a considered decision. this is, after all, a government, which is very much pro—family in their own conception. they see this as a way of really discouraging abortion. abortion numbers have been going down in the past 12 years since this government came to power. but of course, women's groups, many ordinary women in hungary feel that this is an unnecessary intervention by the state in what should be their own right to choose, that it could further traumatise women who've already taken a very difficult decision to go ahead with an abortion.