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wednesday in parliament, where mps give initial approval to the bill beginning the process of exiting the eu. ayes to the right, 498. noes to the left, 114. so the ayes have it, the ayes have it. also on this programme: jeremy corbyn demands the prime minister retracts the invitation for donald trump to come to the uk and meet the queen. just what more does the president trump have to do before the prime minister will listen to the 1.8 million people who have already called for his state visit invitation to be withdrawn? but theresa may rejects that call and says labour has nothing to offer the uk. he can lead a protest. i'm leading a country. and the trade secretary dismisses accusations that his department has been putting out fake news. do you regret the title to your press release? because it wasn't really your department that secured that 16 billion. i don't regret it at all. i think the more good news we give to the public, the better. but first: after two days of debate and passionate speeches on all sides, the moment finally came for mps to vote on the bill allowing the government to trigger our exit from the eu. the ayes to the right, 498. the noes to the left, 114. cheering the ayes to the right, 498. the noes to the left, 114. so the ayes have it, the ayes have it. that result was the culmination of a process started when the government's right to trigger brexit without pa rliament‘s consent was challenged in the courts. there had been nearly 12 hours of debate on tuesday, and a further six hours on wednesday — with nearly 200 mps taking part. at the start of day two, a former labour leader saw a danger in the uk now looking to forge a closer relationship with the president of the united states. i can go along with the prime minister that brexit means brexit. but i cannot go along with the idea that brexit means trump. nor do i believe that that is inevitable, nor do i believe that is what the british people want. but the danger is this. the prime ministerfeels it is an inevitable consequence of leaving the eu that we are driven into the arms of president trump. if this house says we'll go ahead with hard tory brexit, or "full english brexit", as we call it in scotland now, we will sweep aside the concerns across this house in terms of the political damage. we will not accept the proposals from scotland to follow the votes of people in the nation of scotland abd retain our european connection. we're not interested in preserving scottishjobs. if that is the criteria and attitude of government, if that is what this prime minister wants to do with scotland, if she's determined to throw down that gauntlet, then she can be absolutely sure that nicola sturgeon as first minister will pick it up. we will need to have a bridge to the free trade agreement that we seek with the european union. at the same time, the european union needs from us financial commitments that it believes we entered into to pay for european projects that were undertaken while we were a member. in practice what that means is that the negotiation will be a trade—off, as all divorces are, between access and money. the debate featured a maiden speech from the house's newest mp. i'm not a lawyer, but i fail to understand how one can ask the electorate a question and then even consider disregarding the result. i believe that the referendum is not advice but an instruction to us. we asked the people, and the people said out, so out we must go. when all is said and done, the decision on whether the deal but prime minister negotiates is good enough will be decided by someone. someone will make that decision. should it be the prime minister? should it be those privileged to be here? or should it be the british people who have delivered that decision? i say it should be put to the people in a referendum. that is why the liberal democrats are fighting for the british people to have the final vote on the deal this government negotiates. democracy! democracy means accepting the will of the people. at the beginning of the process and at the end of the process. i would caution those thinking of voting against tonight to be careful what they wish for and to be careful for wishing for a second referendums. i think the people, advocates of free speech and free press in a powerful democracy would view their wishes dimly. so much of this has been about how we defend democracy by voting for article 50. it should not be about that, it is how we strengthen democracy over the next two years. this is the moment we begin to take back control of our laws, our borders and our money. once again, we become a sovereign nation state in command of our own destiny, and i'm absolutely delighted about that. i campaigned like others for remain but i accept the democratic result and i think we should allow the article 50 notice to be triggered. i do agree with those that said that if we do not do that, the resulting crisis in our democracy helps no—one. a labour mp who resigned from herfront bench position explained why she couldn't vote for the bill. i feel i would be abandoning my duty to my constituents who have overwhelmingly and unwaveringly made their point that they do not want to leave the european union. 75% of my constituents voted to remain in the european union. the dup's westminster leader rejected warnings of dire consequences for northern ireland of brexit. the fact is that when we remained in sterling and the irish republicjoined the euro along with other european partner states, we were told this would be massively detrimental, this would cause all sorts of problems on the island of ireland, this would lead to destruction, economic and political. none of that happened. people adapted. nigel dodds. well, that second and final day of debate was wrapped up with the shadow minister for exiting the eu confirming labour would back the bill before the house triggering the start of brexit. but she issued a warning to the prime minister. this must be a deal worthy of the consent of this house. if she and her negotiators fail to achieve a deal worthy of our country, they will not achieve our consent. the prime minister must deliver the deal she claims that she can. this is a straightforward bill. it delivers on the promise made to the people of the united kingdom to honour the outcome of the referendum. we must trust the people. i commend this bill to the house. mps voted first on an snp amendment attempting to stop the bill in its tracks, but that was rejected by 336 votes to 100. then it was onto the main vote, which passed by 498 to 114. well over 40 labour mps defied their leadership, and voted against the bill. however, the government's comfortable majority means the legislation will now go on to be debated in more detail in the commons next week. well, ahead of that debate, theresa may had faced the labour leader, jeremy corbyn, for the regular round of prime minister's questions. he pressed the prime minister over her recent visit to the us and meeting with president trump. theresa may was the first overseas leader to meet mr trump last week. the pair discussed nato and trade before giving a joint news conference. just hours after mrs may left washington, the president announced a ban on people from seven mainly muslim countries travelling to the us. the labour leader took theresa may back to what she'd said to the commons just ahead of her visit. the prime minister told the house, "i'm not afraid to speak frankly to the president of the united states." what happened ? i'm happy to say to the right honourable gentleman that when i visited the united states, i'm pleased to say i was able to build on the relationship we have without most important ally, and get some very significant commitments from president trump. and crucial among those was a 100% commitment to nato. nato, which keeps us safe and keeps europe safe as well. downing street has not denied that the prime minister was told by the white house that the executive order on travel to the us was imminent. let's be clear, was the prime minister told about the ban during her visit, and did she tried to persuade president trump otherwise? if the is asking me whether i had advance notice of a ban on refugees, the answer is no. if he is asking me if i had advance notice that the executive order could affect british citizens, the answer is no. if he is asking if i advanced notice of the travel restrictions, the answer is that we all did because president trump said he was going to do this in his election campaign. the question is how you respond. the job of government is not to chase the headlines. the job of government is not to take to the streets in protest. the job of government is to protect the interest of british citizens, and that is what we are doing. president trump has torn up international agreements on refugees, she has threatened to dump international on refugees, he has threatened to dump international agreements on climate change, he's praised the use of torture, he has incited hatred against muslims. he has directed attacked women's rights. what more does the president trump have to do before the prime minister will listen to the 1.8 billion people who have already called for his state visit invitation to be withdrawn? the right honourable gentleman's foreign policy is to object to and insult the democratically elected head of state of our most important ally. let's just see what he would have achieved in the last week. would he have been able to protect british citizens from the impact of the executive order? no. would he have been able to lay the foundations of a trade deal? no. would he have got a 100% commitment to nato? no. that is what labour has to offer this country. less protection for british citizens, less prosperous, less safe. he can lead a protest, i'm leading a country. you're watching wednesday in parliament with me, alicia mccarthy. up on the committee corridor, the international trade secretary told mps that the uk is already having talks over potential trade deals with countries including australia, china, and india. liam fox told the commons international trade committee that the new trading relationships could not be a "substitute" for the eu's single market, but hoped they would be in addition to a free trade deal with the remaining member states. a labour mp questioned him about claims made by the department. you wrote in the telegraph on the 18th of january, "embrace the brave new world of free trade," and you talked about... the headline was, "liam fox confirms brexit trade crusade, confirming talks already with 12 countries across the world." could you list those 12 countries? i won't list them all because some of them we are still in confidential discussions with. but i can say that in terms of australia, we have a trade working group. in terms of china, we have a trade working group and i'm chairing the committee in beijing in april. with the collection of gulf states, we are working with them to determine what our relationship would be, given that they are keen on our potential future fta. with india, we have a joint working group. we have embarked on a process of trade audit. if you were to add up all of those potential countries, the level of exports that you are talking about, all the lists you have there, it doesn't come anywhere near the level of exports that we have to the eu. relative to our primary block, that set of relationships comes nowhere close, does it? i'm sure the former chief secretary is aware that adding a small numbers gets bigger in the end. of course, it is not an either/or. we are not looking at either we trade with the eu or everybody else. but it is not a substitute, is it? nobody has said it is a substitute. your department released a press release at the beginning of the year, "securing over 60 billion of foreign investment." the financial times went through the lists that you had here. in fact, most of those had already been secured long before the referendum. fake news? it's the continuity of what ukti is doing. and it was an antidote to the idea that people are not going to be investing in the united kingdom. we will be chairing the uk-qatar investment conference in march. do you regret the title to your press release? i don't regret it at all. i think the more good news we give to the public the better, and did counter some of the black propaganda working to undermine the referendum. liam fox. the former uk ambassador to the eu, sir ivan rogers, has told mps that brussels could issue a brexit bill of up to 60 billion euros. sir ivan made the headlines in december after the bbc reported his private remarks to the prime minister about how long brexit negotiations could take. sir ivan stepped down last month — ten months earlier than expected. in his resignation letter, he told officials to challenge "muddled thinking" in the brexit process. now, in his first public appearance since his resignation, he has told the european scrutiny committee that brexit negotiations could be difficult. it is a negotiation on the scale that we haven't experienced, probably ever but certainly since the second world war. i think there's always a danger in generalising from specific experience in budget negotiations i've had all tax negotiations or emissions. they all have a specificity to them. this is going to be on a huge scale, we will have enormous amounts of business running up various different channels. and they involve difficult trade—offs for her majesty's governments and difficult trade—offs for the other 27 on the other side of the table. sir bill cash asked him about an assertion in the letter last october that exit negotiations could take ten years. you said that it was going to take ten years. can you confirm whether in fact you actually said that? or was that meant to be, was it a leak? was it an intention that you thought you would be able to get across a message without anyone really knowing quite... can you give us some more information about that? ican indeed. i never said it would take ten years. i think what i put in print, as i say, i have the formula here somewhere but i'm not shy can lay my hands on it. what i put in print was that mike summary of the beltway wisdom from the people i talked to on a daily basis was that a negotiation on fta and a ratification process from all 28 parliaments would probably take until the early or mid—2020s for ratification. i think those were my exact words. is this reporting by bbc based on off the record remarks and observations that you made them? no. it isn't? no. where do you think it came from? i had no idea. i know the origin of it in terms of which bit of text it comes from and i've just given you the more accurate account of what that bit of text said, and i wrote that before the first council appearance. the route by which it got to the bbc by december 15 which was the day of the european council issue, when it exploded, and i was all over the screens on the 15th, why it took two months to get there and by what route it got there i couldn't possibly say. but to be very clear, i never leak, i never have never would, never have under any government. the origin of this has nothing to do... we hear threats and i can only issue they are threats that we will have to pay billions of pounds to leave this club. so far isjoining a club, you pay a membership fee and then you pay it again every year. you don't pay to leave a club. you say thank you very much indeed, and leave. so do you think this is a genuine threat to us to have to pay billions of euros to a club that we are leaving? do you think that is a reasonable thing? i think it can be both genuine and reasonable, if i may say so. —— unreasonable. i think it is genuine and you have seen the coverage in various bahrain newspapers so it is being said by others in the commission that the total financial liability as they see it might be in the order of 40—60 billion euros on exit. i think they do believe that. i don't know the origin of that figure but i think i can guess it. i think they will mount up that figure. he called it a predictably very hard line coming from the eu commission and from some member states. a foreign office minister has told peers that president assad cannot be trusted and is incapable of bringing an end to syria's bloody conflict. last week the foreign secretary, borisjohnson, appeared to suggest to a lords committee that the uk might have to reconsider its approach. answering questions in the lords, lady anelay was adamant there would be no change. could we not have a new realistic approach recognising that we cannot remove assad? in the words of the patriarch of the orthodox church here a few months ago, he should be a candidate in any election, far be it from me to suggest that if he wins he be invited on a second state visit... but my lords, should we not establish diplomatic representation in damascus and be at the centre so that when peace is eventually restored, we have played a constructive part in restoring it? this is, my lords, a country where assad has shown he is incapable of protecting his own people. but my lords, where i agree with my honourable friend is that we should not dictate an outcome. what we are saying is that assad has not proved that he can bring peace to the country. can the noble minister tell us whether the foreign office are considering any increase or any installation of diplomatic presence in damascus? my lords, certainly not. what we found in the past is that assad is an unreliable person come in dealings we had with him. it would not be appropriate to show that we trust him in anyway, because he isn't to be trusted. lady anelay. finally, back to brexit. at prime minister's questions, the snp's westminster leader offered his congratulations. the prime minister had a very successful international visit in this last week. to ireland! and there she spoke publicly about her commitment. and it's very important, i think, this. commitment not to have a hard border on these islands, that there should continue to be free movement of peoples on these islands and that trade should be protected and enhanced. so given that people will be watching this notjust in britain but in ireland, would she take the opportunity now to explain how she will deliver these sensible and important outcomes? these are absolutely the outcomes that we want to see. i was very pleased to meet and discuss the joint intent that both his government and mine have to ensure that we don't see a return to the borders of the past in northern ireland. just do say that of course we focus on the land border that is between northern ireland and the republic of ireland. of course the issue of movements from ireland affects other places as well, it affects sports in wales and of course stranraer. the prime minister has very helpfully explained that it is perfectly possible for parts of these islands to be in the single market, without hard borders, with free movement of people, and at the same time protecting and trading with one another. this is very, very welcome, mr speaker. so a commitment to work with the irish government and to work with the scottish government to deliver all of these things... he really should listen to the answers that are given because he is trying to imply something that isn't there. yes. we're very clear that we want to see the frictionless border between northern ireland and the republic of ireland. but i'm also clear that one of our negotiation objectives is to see as frictionless a border as possible between the united kingdom and the rest of the european union. and of course, if he is so worried about having a frictionless border between scotland and the european union, he shouldn't want to take scotland out of the european union with independence! a conservative stood up next and asked when mps would see the government's policy document, or white paper, on brexit. eu nationals provide a vital and experts that this in my local hospital in basingstoke. and along with thousands of others, they face an uncertain future. i know this is something the prime minister wants to give priority to in sorting out. will we be hearing more about it in the forthcoming white paper? i hope we will be working to ensure that this is an issue we can deal with in the early stage. it was one of the objectives i set out in the plan and it will be referenced in the white paper which will be published and i can inform my right honourable friend and the house that that paper will be published tomorrow. theresa may announcing the publication of the government's brexit policy paper. and that's it from me for now, but do join me at the same time tomorrow, when, among other things, mps will debate the harm caused by alcohol. but for now from me, alicia mccarthy, goodbye. rather than continental europe, we are getting our weather from the atla ntic are getting our weather from the atlantic at the moment. you can see there is plenty of cloud and weather systems piling up two had our way. what that means is that over the next few days it will be much windier than we are used to. there will be rain at times, and some dry moments too. early rises in devon, cornwall and pembrokeshire will get a soaking. 0utbrea ks cornwall and pembrokeshire will get a soaking. outbreaks of rain across much of wales and south—west england, spreading to the south—east, south—west and midlands by this stage. 0ne ultimate showers running ahead of it. some dry weather across eastern england. it will not be a cold start by any means. some will start the day in double figures. 0utbreaks means. some will start the day in double figures. outbreaks of rain in north—west england. a damp start in northern ireland and southern scotland. it will be rather call for a time overnight in northern scotland. the wind will be a feature on thursday. a touch of gale force at times, particularly rough around the irish sea. the rain in the west will push eastwards fairly erratically through the day, into a cloudy afternoon here. brighter skies in the west for a time, then more showers late in the day to south—west england and southern wales. staying windy as we go through thursday night and into friday. 0ne batch of rain from the easterlies, then showers rattle in from the west. some on the heavy side. the most persistent rain will be across northern scotland. a little on the cool side and some of the drier moments, but for most temperatures, clear of a frost. we have been watching this area of low pressure developers as we go into friday. a bit more certainty about where that is going to go. it looks like it will swing from western france into the south—west of england. the worst of the wind will be later in the day, and more especially on the other side of the channel. it will be a day where we begin with light winds and bright skies towards the eastern half of the country. not a bad friday in parts of northern ireland and northern england. wet and windy weather quickly spreading into western england and wales, with gales in some places. it is round the english channel in the afternoon we will see that wind really ramping up. the channel islands could see winds gusting in excess of 70 miles an hour. through the late afternoon and evening we could see gales of up to 50 miles an hour in east anglia and the south—east corner. that could cause disruption. we will keep you updated. a very warm welcome to bbc news, broadcasting to our viewers in north america and around the globe. my name's mike embley. our top stories: breaking news from california — as activists try to block a speech by an editor of the far—right website breitbart. the biggest demonstrations since the fall of communism. romanians take to the streets against a government decree that could see dozens of corrupt politicians freed from jail. the most serious fighting in a long time in eastern ukraine. the head of nato urges moscow to use its influence to control pro—russian rebels. it's12 months since zika was declared a global health emergency — now scientists think many more babies could be affected. and giving thanks for donald trump, we visit the american city

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