Transcripts For BBCNEWS Wednesday In Parliament 20170112 : c

Transcripts For BBCNEWS Wednesday In Parliament 20170112

Coming up on this Programme Theresa may and Jeremy Corbyn trade blows over the state of the nhs in england. The governor of the Bank Of England says brexit is no longer the biggest risk to the uks financial stability. And ministers are urged to do more to help the victims of modern slavery. It is thought by the police there are probably 10,000 people in a year who are victims, and 30 convictions. But first, at Prime Ministers questions, theresa may defended the governments handling of englands nhs asJeremy Corbyn accused her of being in denial over the pressures facing the Health Service. Nearly a quarter of patients waited longer than four hours in a e last week, with just one hospital hitting its target. And huge numbers also faced long waits for a bed when a e staff admitted them into hospital as emergency cases, with more than 18,000 Trolley Waits of more than four hours or more. The figures come from the document compiled by nhs improvement, one of the regulators in england, and show that this winter is proving to be the most difficult in more than a decade. Jeremy corbyn picked up on those figures and recent comments by the red cross. Last week, mr speaker, a85 people in england spent more than 12 hours on trolleys in Hospital Corridors. The red cross described this as a humanitarian crisis. I called on the Prime Minister to come to parliament on monday she didnt, she sent the Health Secretary. But does she agree with him that the best way to solve the crisis of the four hour wait is to fiddle the figures so that people are not seen to be waiting so long on trolleys in nhs hospitals . He talks about the pressures on the nhs and we acknowledge that there are pressures on the National Health service. There are always extra pressures on the nhs during the winter, but of course we have at the moment those added pressures of the ageing population and the growing, complex needs of the population. He also refers to the British Red Cross term of a humanitarian crisis. I have to say to him that i think weve all seen humanitarian crises around the world and to use that description of a National Health service which last year saw 2. 5 million more people treated in a e than six years ago was irresponsible and overblown. Mr speaker, she seems to be in some degree of denial about this and wont listen to professional organisations who have spent their whole lifetime doing their best for the nhs. Can i ask her if shell listen to sian, who works for the nhs . She has a 22 month old nephew. He went into hospital, there was no bed, he was treated on two plastic chairs pushed together with a blanket. She says one of the nurses told her sister, its always like this nowadays. She asked a question to all of us. Surely we should strive to do better than this. Does the Prime Minister and the Health Secretary think this is an acceptable way of treating a 22 month old child needing help . I accept there have been a small number of incidents. Clamour. Where unacceptable practices have taken place. But what matters, we dont want those things to happen, but what matters is how you then deal with them. Thats why its so important that the nhs does look into issues where there are unacceptable incidents that have taken place and then learns lessons from them. She highlighted the pressures the service was facing. Over the christmas period, in the tuesday after christmas, we saw the busiest day ever in the National Health service. Over the few weeks around christmas, we saw a day when more people were treated in a e within four hours than had ever happened before. This is the reality of our National Health service. Jeremy corbyn pressed on, attacking the governments record on Mental Health and social care. Earlier this week, the Prime Minister said she wanted to create a shared society. Weve certainly got that. More people sharing Hospital Corridors on trolleys. More people sharing Waiting Areas at A E Departments. More people sharing in anxiety created by this government. 0ur nhs, mr speaker, is in crisis, but the Prime Minister is in denial. Can i suggest to her, on the economic question, cancel the Corporate Tax cuts, spend the money where its needed on people in desperate need in social care or in our hospitals. The right honourable gentleman talks about crisis. I suggest he listens to the honourable member for don valley, a former Labour Health minister, who said the following. With labour, its always about crisis. The nhs is on its knees, weve got to be a bit more grown up about this. He talks to me about Corporation Tax and restoring the cuts in Corporation Tax. The labour party has already spent that money eight times. The last thing the nhs needs is a cheque from labour that bounces. The only way we can ensure weve got funding for the National Health service is a strong economy. Yesterday, the right honourable gentleman proved that hes not only incompetent, but that he would destroy our economy and that would devastate our National Health service. A reference there toJeremy Corbyns comments the previous day on immigration and earnings limits. Later in the day, the head of the nhs in england, sir simon stevens, told mps that funding would be highly constrained over the next three years and that spending per person in real terms would reduce in england. He was asked if nhs england had got the money it had asked for. The government is repeatedly telling us, ive had letters recently from the secretary of state, that the nhs is getting more money than it asks for. Whats your view on that . Well, its right that by 2020 nhs england will be getting an extra £10 billion over the course of six years. I dont think thats the same as saying were getting more than we asked for over five years because it was a five year forward view, not a six year forward view. Over and above that, weve been through a Spending Review negotiation in the meantime and that has set the nhs budget for the next three years. Its a matter of fact, its not news, ive said it previously to a select committee back in october, that like probably every part of the Public Service we got less than we asked for in that process. I think it would be stretching it to say that the nhs has got more than it asked for. 0k. Would you agree theres not enough money and there is a clear gap . There are clearly very substantial pressures and i dont think it helps anybody to try and pretend there arent. But thats not a new phenomenon, to some extent, its a phenomenon thats intensifying. In the here and now, there are very real pressures. Over the next three years, funding is going to be highly constrained and in 2018 19, as i previously said in october, Real Terms Nhs spending per person in england is going to go down, ten years after Lehmann Brothers and austerity began. We all understand why that is, but lets not pretend thats not placing huge pressure on the service. Youre watching wednesday in parliament with me, alicia mccarthy. Now lets go back to Prime Ministers questions and the situation in Northern Ireland. The deputy first minister, sinn feins martin mcguinness, has resigned. Under stormonts power sharing agreement, his resignation means the first minister, arlene foster, also loses her office and that could mean fresh elections have to be held. The snps Westminster Group leader thought that breakdown could have wide reaching implications. The Prime Minister has indicated that she wants to take the views of the elected representatives and the devolved institutions on brexit seriously. So it stands to reason that if there is no Northern Ireland assembly and there is no Northern Irish executive for much of the time before the march timetable she has set before invoking article 50, that shell be unable to properly consult, to fully discuss and to find agreement on the complex issues during this time period. In these circumstances, will the Prime Minister postpone invoking article 50. Will she postpone article 50 or will she just plough on regardless . Im clear that first of all we want to try to ensure that within this period of seven days we can find a resolution to the political situation in Northern Ireland so that we can continue to see the Assembly Government continuing. But im also clear that in the discussions we have it will be possible. Its still the case that ministers are in place and that obviously there are executives in place, that we are still able to take the views of the Northern Ireland people. Theresa may. Brexit is no longer the biggest risk to the uks financial stability, the governor of the Bank Of England has told mps. Mark carney was making one of his regular appearances at the treasury committee. He was asked about remarks made by a colleague, andy haldane the Bank Of Englands Chief Economist about economic forecasting. Andy haldane called the failure to predict the financial crisis of 2008 a michael fish moment for economists. He also accepted that a similar dynamic might have been in play over the banks forecasts about brexit. I feel i should begin by asking you, will you agree with the Chief Economist that the Bank Of Englands be having a michael fish moment, or two . Well, one of the advantages of managing group think is one doesnt always agree with everything that is said. By colleagues. Think the core point that andy haldane made, or tried to make, related to, no disrespect to mr fish, i should say, but was trying to make. Pertains exactly to what we are talking about today. Which is the ability to identify the risk to financial stability. And the poor performance of most in the economic profession, including some of the major topic institutions, the Bank Of England. In identifying the major risks prior to the crisis. And he said the bank had taken action to mitigate the risks around the referendum. I do think we helped make the weather. Meteorologists predict the weather, we helped make the weather in that we catalysed continuously continuously planned actions, pre position of collateral, other steps within our major central banks. And better risk management, which helped make sure that this was a smooth process. He was asked whether brexit remained the biggest domestic risk to the uks financial stability. I am going to try and take you to a yes or no on it. Because. Well, strictly speaking, strictly speaking, the view of the committee is no. And he explained that the Bank Of England had taken action to ease the risks. The uks Green Investment bank could be killed off if the government goes ahead with plans to sell it, according to the green party mp caroline lucas. The Bank Supports offshore wind farms and other green projects. The government has announced plans to part privatise it, with Australian Bank macquarie thought to be the preferred bidder. But former Liberal Democrat business secretary Sir Vince Cable said he fears it will be split up. The co leader of the green party urged ministers to halt the planned sale. This week, we had that the Green Investment bank stands on the brink of notjust being flogged off, but of being broken up with its green purposes discarded. Founded in 2012, the gib has been widely recognised as a true success story, kick starting truly innovative, low Carbon Projects across the uk. And yet, this preferred bidder, macquarie, not only has a dismal and terrible environmental record, it also has an appalling track record of asset stripping. Why is the government setting up a structure to invite in a Profiteer Asset Stripper . If the gib has been restructured in such a way as to allow it its to be stripped of its assets, how can the government guarantee that the special share supposedly introduced to protect the future of the gib, will have the intended effect . Isnt this exactly the wrong time to be selling off the Green Investment bank, given that the government has decided to embark upon a New Industrial Strategy which must, to be in accord with our own Climate Change commitments, have low Carbon Projects at its core . And finally, will the minister admit that this selling off could lead to the bank being fatally undermined as an enduring institution. Will he stop the killing of the gib . Will he halt the sale process with immediate effect . The minister said he couldnt comment on the process, potential bidders or media speculation. It is precisely because we want the Green Investment bank to be able to do more, unfettered from the constraints of the state, that we are seeking to put it into the private sector. And the objectives that we have set out in the sale, they could not have been clearer. It has been discussed in this house. We are looking at very clear objectives around securing value for money for taxpayers, which must be our primary responsibility. We want to ensure that the gib can be reclassified to the private sector. But we have also been very clear that the reason we want to move into the private sector is to enable the business to grow, and continue as an institution supporting investment in the green economy. We are selling it as a going concern, and potential investors will be buying into the companys Green Business plan and forward pipeline projects. These are the criteria we have set, these are the criteria against which we are evaluating the proposals that are before us. The governments being urged to give victims of slavery the right to stay in the uk to help ensure Human Traffickers can be locked up. Mps on the work and Pensions Committee are looking into the treatment of those whove been enslaved. The former High Courtjudge and independent peer Lady Butler Sloss explained that victims receive financial and other support while their cases are being investigated, but when that period comes to an end, the help stops, even if a person has been officially recognised as a victim of slavery. She said this was appalling and explained some of the consequences of the process, known as the National Referral mechanism or nrm. We had 31 convictions last year. And there were over 1000 people, ithink, identified going through the nrm. It is thought by police there are 10,000 people per year who are victims, probably. And 30 convictions. One of the reasons is that the police, of course, cant keep track of these people because they have no idea where they are. They all disappear because they have no entitlements. If you dont have the witnesses, speaking as a former judge, you have a great difficulty in going ahead with the prosecutions. So it is actually in the Public Interest to keep these people with some entitlement in this country, at least until the time when there has been a trial and we have had a conviction. Otherwise, we dont get the traffickers. Do you think, to fix this so that they dont fall off at the end, does that need to be legislation . Can itjust be guidance that can be put out to dwp . Immediately . What is your view on how we fix it . It occurs to me that another group of people ive witnessed recently, women who are Domestic Violence survivors and have been moved to another town in the country, and they are nobody with no paperwork. And they have the same battles with the localjobcentre, who are you . We have never heard of you . Do we need legislation to do this, or some kind of guidance that the dwp can have . Do we maybe need a new category of people who are, ask no questions, youve got this label, this piece of paper, and you automatically have the entitlement to benefits . There is statutory guidance being drafted at this moment. Which makes me think that this committee is enormously important, because i hope that you will have a real impact on that statutory guidance. But it seems to me there is tw

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