and you had to act as second pilot. at take—off here from leeming, we call a bombing raid over germany and you'd let the bombs go from the aircraft, and you could see these bombs exploding on german soil. and the number of people being killed. and i used to think about it. you knew it was happening, but you tried to forget it — that you were bombing civilians. it's a funny feeling, you know, to be involved in war, and to be killing people, and knowing you're killing people, and also thinking — not knowing, but thinking that there was a reason