Experts say they think were in the early phases of a global pandemic. The fact weve only reported eight cases in this country isjust because, again, our surveillance is focused on travellers. We think probably were picking up maybe one in three cases coming into the country at the current time. And why are unis using gagging orders to stop students from speaking out about sexual assault, bullying and poor teaching . They essentially said, you make any more of a fuss or even cry youre out. I was not supported at all. Let us know if youre a student or ex student whos subject to one of these non disclosure agreements. Email victoria bbc. Co. Uk. Obviously, you dont have to use your real name. Hi, welcome to the programme. Were live until 11 this morning. At around 10 30, were going to talk to Lauryn Goodman, who was told that she would never have children becasue she has endometriosis. Herfirst baby is due in a couple of months. She revealed a few days ago that the dad is Manchester City and englands kyle walker. The two are not together now, but she is going to talk about what how she found out she was pregnant and what she thinks of the prosepct of being a single mum. Also today we absolutely want to hear from you if you are a student or ex student who has signed an non disclosure agreement at your university. What happened, why did you sign it and how do you feel about it now . Obviously, you dont have to give us your name but your experience is absolutely pertinent to this story today. Use the hashtag victorialive. Email victoria bbc. Co. Uk, or text 61124 itll cost the Standard Network rate. First, annita has the news. Good morning, victoria. Good morning, everyone. A member of staff in the a e department at Worthing Hospital has become the second Healthcare Worker in the uk to test positive for coronavirus. The department of health says that all services at the hospital are operating normally all eight of those infected across the country are in quarantine. Meanwhile, the number of people infected with the virus on a cruise ship quarantined injapan has risen to 174 the highest number of cases outside of china. A human rights body is threatening the government with legal action for what it says is the repeated failure to place people with learning difficulties and autism in appropriate accommodation. The equality and Human Rights Commission says nhs targets to move patients out of hospitals in england are being missed. The first was set eight years ago, after the bbcs Panorama Programme exposed abuse at winterbourne view hospital. And well have more on this story in the programme in the next few minutes. The media regulator ofcom is being given new powers to police the internet. The government is setting out plans to compel Companies Like facebook and youtube to protect users from illegal and harmful content. Its not yet known what penalties ofcom will be able to impose on those who fail to comply. Universities are using gagging clauses to stop students from going public with complaints of sexual assault, bullying and poor teaching. Students said they felt pressured to sign non disclosure agreements and one was told she would be expelled if she broke her contract. Nearly a third of universities have used ndas for student grievances since 2016, according to data obtained by bbc news. The archbishop of canterbury has said the church of england is still deeply institutionally racist. The most reverend justin welby said at a meeting of the churchs ruling body that he was ashamed of its history of racism. Mr welbys words came as synod members backed a motion to apologise for racism in the church of england since the arrival of the windrush generation. In the united states, the New Hampshire polls have closed with president ial candidate Bernie Sanders narrowly winning the vote. Yesterdays primary also saw two more contenders pull out of the contest to determine who will stand against donald trump in november. There are still several states to go before the final candidate is chosen. A photograph of two mice fighting over a scrap of food at a london tube station, has won the peoples vote at the wildlife photographer of the year awards. Sam rowleys station squabble, was one of 25 shortlisted for the competition which will be displayed in an exhibition at the Natural History museum. Fantastic photograph that is it for the moment, back to you, victoria. Thank you very much. Today, a legal challenge on an issue weve covered loads on this programme people with learning disabilities and autism being involuntary detained in secure hospitals. The equality and Human Rights Commission is taking legal action against the government over the repeated failure to move them into appropriate accommodation. Heres a clip from one of our films on the subject, where Noel Phillips obtained footage from one dad wholl well talk to in a minute visiting his daughter bethany at one of these secure units. This footage weve been shown by the parent of a patient locked behind this door at a st andrews facility raises questions about the controversial practice of seclusion, where patients can be locked away for long hours. The ehrc is issuing the legal challenge against the secretary of state for health and social care. They say the systemic failure to protect the patients right to a private and family life, and the right to live free from inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment is a breach of the European Convention of human rights. Lets talk to rebecca hilsenrath, chief executive of the equality and Human Rights Commission. Jane haines, whos daughter ayla is being held in a secure unit. Aylas grandmother, judy haines. And jeremy, whose hand you saw in that clip. He managed to get his daughter, bethany, out of a secure unit he had concerns about. Were not using his surname to protect his daughters privacy. Welcome all of you, thank you for coming on the programme. Again, in your case. Rebecca, lets begin with you. You are the boss of the ehrc, why the legal challenge . We have just seen the clip and you have jane and jeremy here but there have been too many stories, too many reviews, too many stories, too many reviews, too many stories, too many reviews, too many episodes. Units that panorama expose that the treating patients pretty horrifically . Going way beyond neglect, harassment, bullying, physical abuse. There are more than 2000 people with learning disabilities or autism who are inpatient, inadequate long term care, far away from their families. Every one of them are a human being like you and me, with the same fundamental human rights, the same right to health care and loved by theirfamilies as right to health care and loved by their families as much as we are. The government has promised at least on two occasions that it would move patients into more appropriate accommodation. It keeps missing those targets. Well this legal challenge suddenly mean they will do what they promised to do . We have seen what they promised to do . We have seen the reviews and there has been a gathering momentum of interest and concern about this. We considered this carefully before using one of our most significant legal enforcement powers. We want a declaration that this is a breach of human rights. We have asked the government to look immediately at reaching the targets theyve missed and also at adopting a number of recommendations that have been made by thejoint recommendations that have been made by the joint committee on human rights and buy the rightful lives movement, this is about a change in policy and a change in law. Above all, putting families at the heart of Decision Making instead of making them a problem. It is the families across the country that have raised this problem, like jane and jeremy. The government statement says, we are committed to protecting the rights of everyone with a learning disability or autism. We are determined to reduce the number of people with these conditions in Mental Health hospitals. Abuse against these patients is abhorrent and we take any allegations seriously. We received the pre action letter from the ehrc today and will respond in due course. Is that sufficient at this point . We wait to hear from them. We have asked them to take immediate action and also for a change in the law. What were seeing at the moment isa law. What were seeing at the moment is a default position where people seem is a default position where people seem to be put in inpatient long term care, which is inappropriate, often a psychiatric a people dont have a Mental Health problem, there arent safeguards and they stay there too long. We want to write to independent living, where public authorities have no requirement to provide Community Based setting care or otherwise explain why it is not possible. But that requires the secretary of state to provide more Community Based care closer to home. Of course, let me bring injeremy and judy and jane. Jeremy, hello again. Remind ouraudience and judy and jane. Jeremy, hello again. Remind our audience what your daughter was initially put into a secure unit. Because she is autistic. She has. She suffers an enormous amount of anxiety. Now, when that anxiety is controlled and supported, then it is not at all challenging the step she is not difficult. Beth, when she was placed in one of these horrific units, could not cope with the environment of being on a ward with 20 people who were very distressed. That triggered the worst in beths behaviour. The result was they locked bethany and kept her there for three years. You saw the clip earlier of me talking to her through a hatch. She was moved to a unit where there was no hatch. I would kneel down and talk to my daughter through the bottom of a door. It was degrading, humiliating, for of us. |j still cant get my head around why a woman with autism, which is not a Mental Health condition, but i know people get it mixed up, why a woman with autism needed to be in a secure unit, ina with autism needed to be in a secure unit, in a cell with a hatch, in sl without a hatch, i dont get it. She didnt ever need to be. Why was she put there . She was put there because there is a lack of proper homes in there is a lack of proper homes in the community where they can be properly supported. The local authority said there was no other option but to place her in hospital. They love it, they were no longer paying the bill for her care, the nhs were doing so. Let me bring in judy and jane. We have featured your daughters case on our programme before, ayla. She has been in at least two separate secure units, how is she at the moment . No, she is an awful state. Still on two observations, two members of staff with her at all times of the day. She recently had an operation, on monday, because she bit her arm rather severely. She had to be taken to hospital by ambulance because of blood loss. She had managed to do that come into herself, despite the fa ct that come into herself, despite the fact there were two members of staff a p pa re ntly fact there were two members of staff apparently monitoring her 2a 7 . Fact there were two members of staff apparently monitoring her 24 7 . think they got distracted by another issue, they are very busy, i dont hold the staff responsible. It is down to management. She doesnt like going to sleep at night because she has to wake up in the morning and realise she is still alive. Like i say, she is biting chunks of flesh out of her arm. For me, that clarifies her state of mind. You describe it as incarceration, she has been incarcerated for eight yea rs has been incarcerated for eight years as you put it, why is she in there . Yes, she went in on a volu nta ry there . Yes, she went in on a voluntary basis because of anorexia and self injury. It should have been for respite but as soon as she went m, for respite but as soon as she went in, she wasjust in a holding unit. They allowed her to not eat. Within sort of a month, she had deteriorated to such a point that she couldnt come home and had to be tube fed. Then we had to agree to her being section so she could have specialist treatment. We thought she was being treated. We thought she had the wrong diagnosis, they wouldnt listen so they sent her away, she deteriorated. She then got sent to a low secure unit. The family was resented, they wouldnt listen to the family at all, they are did the opposite to what we suggest. Lots of medication, punitive therapy, she deteriorated again. Then went to a medium secure unit, 200 miles from home. You told us last year that she wanted to end her life, which is why she swallowed a toothbrush . That is right. Still inside her . Yes, they are not going to operate. They say the acids will dissolve the toothbrush in time. Judy, how do you react to the fact there is now a legal challenge because the ehrc are saying that people like your granddaughter and like jeremys daughter, bethany, their human rights are being breached . We have said this for a very long time, but if we complain, then we are seen very long time, but if we complain, then we are seen as very long time, but if we complain, then we are seen as interfering in then we are seen as interfering in the progression of aylas treatment. We have been told that she was better, sent a long way from her family. So she doesnt get visitors very often. There are so many restrictions on telephone calls. Are you allowed to speak to each other during the week . I have one call a week and jane has three. They are monitored. There has to be a Senior Memberof monitored. There has to be a Senior Member of staff there to take note of everything weve discussed. Does ayla get comfort from those phone calls . Ayla get comfort from those phone calls . Not at all. Its a good thing, she wants to talk to you. Until they implemented the restrictions, we used to speak for maybe two or three hours a day and that was one of the things that helped her and it is well documented it helped her. Why did they suddenly become restricted . They said it was interfering with her treatment, that she was choosing to speak to us instead of use the skills. We were also told its because we interfere, so we are not allowed to talk about medication or staff, we are not allowed to give her hope and say we will get her back to wales. She is only allowed to phone when she is in a relatively good state. So we never get to speak to her when she is in her worst states. There is a statement here from the organisation which we are not naming. They said their statement. We fully support moving care closer to home and ensuring more people can live in the community with the right support, which is why we are reducing inpatient beds across hospitals that every person is different. We care for some of the most complex Mental Health patients in the country and the majority of our patients are in ca re the majority of our patients are in care because they pose a danger to themselves or others. For these vulnerable patients there is and will continue to be a need for a very specialist treatment and observation in a safe, secure setting. Do you accept that your daughter has complex, challenging needs . do you accept that your daughter has complex, challenging needs . I do but it is not as complex as they are making it out. They have used the same mode of treatment for eight yea rs. Same mode of treatment for eight years. You would think they would try different approach. I dont agree with forced medication. She is ona agree with forced medication. She is on a phenomenal amount, antidepressants, anti psychotics. They are the medical professionals. But like i say, youd think eight yea rs but like i say, youd think eight years on, they will tried different approach. I can see so many side effects from the medications. I keep saying, what positive they having and they cant give me an answer. |j just want to ask, judy, some people will be watching you and hearing what is happening to ayla and they will think, why cant you take her somewhere else . She is under section. We have no power or control at all. Believe me, weve tried. Is that right, when someone is sectioned, the power reverts to the trust or the Health Care Professionals . Trust or the Health Care Professionals . Yes, we lose all power when they are sectioned. What they decide goes . Is that mega yes. And ayla has no say in it, either. She is supposed to have rights. They are supposed to tell her side effects of medication but that does not happen. Jeremy, i know that bethany is now in a different secure unit. Is she happy . Bethany is not. Bethany was described by matt hancock as complex and vulnerable. Bethany was in a medium secure unit before christmas. They were calling out for beth to be sent to a high secure out for beth to be sent to a high secure unit. Four hours down the motorway, beth was taken to an environment that she had helped design. She had put her ideas in for the decorating. She is now with a team of staff in a home setting. Those staff understand her needs. They understand her autism. Beth does not get restrained, she doesnt have her clothes ripped off her by groups of men. Beth goes out for a walk when she wants. I go up there, we take the family pets, we go for a walk by the river. Thats what bethany needed, not locking away. None of these people need to be locked away, they just none of these people need to be locked away, theyjust need their condition. There autism to be supported. What is your message to the health secretary, matt hancock, if he was watching right now . The money is in the system to make these changes. You are paying extortionate amounts of money to keep people in these hospitals that do not work. You know that, you have read the reports. Save that money, spend it in the Community Settings and buy yourself some humanity. Thank you very much, jeremy. Thank you for coming on the programme again, we appreciate it. Jane and judy, thank you. We will continue to follow what happens to ayla and bethany and rebecca from the equality and Human Rights Commission, thank you for coming on the programme. And our actionline website is bbc. Co. Uk actionline if you need help there are loads of organisations