Transcripts For BBCNEWS Victoria Derbyshire 20200114 : compa

Transcripts For BBCNEWS Victoria Derbyshire 20200114

Meghan and terry will be able to split their time between the uk and north america, according to the queen. And harry. What will that mean . We will speak to people who know them both. The Prime Minister is not getting involved. I am a massive fan. I think, like most of our viewers, im a massive fan certainly of the queen and of the royal family as a fantastic asset for our country. Im absolutely confident that they are going to sort this out. And do you know what . I think theyre probably going to be able to sort it out all the easier without any particular commentary from me. The pm also told bbc breakfast its not the governments job to bail out the struggling Budget Airline flybe. And what impact does seeing this picture of adele, who has recently lost three stone, have on you . Six in ten women feel inadequate after seeing images of slim women on social media. This ad shows real women exercising instead. Me again. Allow me to pick up where i left off. All right, lets go, mum. The biggest phenomenon and im picasso with the pen. Just wanna talk that stance till i hit em with the realness. Hi. Welcome to the programme. Were live until 11 this morning. Would you give a quid to hear this on brexit day . Big ben bongs. The pm says hes trying to work out a way for people to contribute to the cost of big ben bonging on jan 31st. It costs half a million quid, he says. Will you put in a quid . Megan wills says, yes, wheres the website . Louie says, i can think of dozens more important and worthy causes that gladly benefit from 500k. Big ben does not feed those who struggle, clean up our planets c02 and neither does it help our already overstretched services. Al says, id happily chip in. Big ben must bong. Stuart on twitter says, i think its a bad move after all the division we have had. Let me know what you think. Use the hashtag victorialive, email victoria bbc. Co. Uk or text 61124 itll cost the Standard Network rate. We really want to hear from you if you have been the victim of a crime committed by somebody who was on probation. That is what we will talk about any few minutes. Annita mcveigh will bring you that story the news. Good morning, everyone. The Prime Minister has told bbc breakfast that the government will bring forward a plan for social care reform this year, and will get it done within this parliament. Borisjohnson said the question of how to fund social care had been shirked by governments for decades, but his majority would allow him to deal with it. He warned tackling the problem could involve massive change, and said ministers were determined to get it right. We will be bringing forward a plan this year, but we will get it done within this parliament. Its a big, big thing. I mean, this is a potentially massive change in the way we fund social care. And weve got to get it right, weve got to think very carefully about how we do it. A report into Child Sexual Exploitation in manchester has concluded that it took place in plain sight and victims were failed by police and local authorities. A child care expert and a former senior detective found that an investigation into the grooming of vulnerable teenage girls predominantly by asian men was under resourced. They concluded that fears over Race Relations were a factor in the way police tackled the issue. Gambling firms are to be banned from accepting credit cards from uk customers from april. About 2a million adults in britain gamble. Research for the regulator suggests nearly a quarter of people placing bets online using credit cards are classed as problem gamblers. The government is considering a plan to cut air Passenger Duty on all domestic flights in order to help the struggling Regional Airline flybe. The company, which is based in exeter and employs more than 2000 people, has asked to defer its tax bill as part of a rescue deal. The chancellor, sajid javid, is to meet the business and transport departments later. Flybes Network Includes more than half of uk domestic flights outside london. Probation officers in england and wales are being urged to show more professional curiosity about offenders under their supervision and not to take what they are told at face value. The findings are contained in a report by the inspectorate of probation. Officers are currently monitoring more than 100,000 offenders who arejudged to pose a high risk. Canadas Prime MinisterJustin Trudeau says hed support the duke and duchess of sussex moving to his country but that the security costs need to be discussed. Mr trudeau said he believes most canadians like the idea of harry and meghan settling among them. He made his comments after the queen gave her blessing to the move. The met office has issued a yellow warning for high winds across most of britain today, in the aftermath of storm brendan. Ferries to and from the west coast of scotland have been cancelled. This was the scene in ardrossan in ayrshire yesterday. Last night, seven flights to gatwick were diverted to other airports. That is the main news so far. Back to you, victoria. Thank you, good morning. Staff shortages and huge workloads in the Probation Service are putting Public Safety at risk. Thats the conclusion of an inspectors report into the service in england and wales, published today, which says Probation Officers lack the professional curiosity to spot potentially dangerous behaviour by offenders who are being managed in the community. In november, usman khan, who had been jailed over a terror plot, and some of the questions that are not being asked by Probation Officers are really, really basic. In november, usman khan, who had been jailed over a terror plot, and who was being monitored by the Probation Service, stabbed two people two people to death at a conference next to London Bridge. He was tackled by members of the public before being shot and killed. And in december, Joseph Mccann was convicted of a series of rapes and kidnappings which took place while he was on probation. Well hear from the chief inspector of probation in a moment, but we will also talk to garry hoolickin. His son michael, pictured here with his own son ellis, was stabbed to death in 2016 by a man whod been released early from prison under strict conditions. Timothy deakin was found guilty of attacking michael, stabbing him five times, in an unprovoked attack. Deakin is currently serving a minimum of 27 years for the murder. Lets now speak to gary. Thank you for talking to us. What did you find out about the man who took your son from you, in the weeks and months following the merger of your son . We could not believe it, it was atrocious. We found that this kid had been continually causing problems to local people etc. He was committing offences, not being monitored, taking drugs, he was persistent prolific offender. I honestly believe that he felt he could please himself, and this is what happened. The inquest into your sons death heard there was a Risk Assessment on timothy deakins release, concluding there was a 71 chance of him committing another violent offence within a year of his release. So as well as all the conditions in place, some of which we re conditions in place, some of which were breached, there was clear indication that he absolutely needed to be supervised. It was frightening. When we have heard about the way it is run, it is scandalous. We have heard managers ina scandalous. We have heard managers in a Coroners Court say do you use your work ipad . No, i in a Coroners Court say do you use yourwork ipad . No, i do in a Coroners Court say do you use your work ipad . No, i do not take it to work. This is one of the main people at rochdale Probation Service. We go longer and you say that you have meetings about this large every week, not every week, when it comes out, it is probably once a month or when it comes out, it is probably once a month oi once a when it comes out, it is probably once a month or once a fortnight. And then they say what about your minutes, who was present at the meeting . 0h, we dont take minutes. We dont take minutes . we could not believe what we were listening to. And then what do you do with the drug and then what do you do with the d rug tests . And then what do you do with the drug tests . I am not sure about that. This is the manager of rochdale probation. Sorry to interrupt, you mentioned the drug testing, he was subjected ten conditions including a curfew and drug testing, so he was tested and she tested positive for cannabis and cocaine but was not brought back to jail. He was charged with a driving offence, his curfew which had been lifted was reinstated but he was allowed to remain free. He was arrested on suspicion of the possession of cannabis with intent to supply, but no further action was taken. It is a shocker . I want justice for my son, we need to get this. We have help from the mayor, andy burnham, he will take it on, along with the deputy mayor. We have spoken to the local councillors from rochdale, they are helping us big style, we have a new mp, chris clarkson, who has been in touch this morning saying he will be. There is a new man in thejob. Morning saying he will be. There is a new man in the job. But what does justice mean to you . Because deakin is back injailand justice mean to you . Because deakin is back injail and will serve a minimum of 20 years. We have heard every excuse minimum of 20 years. We have heard every excuse in the book but the staff have not on the job and it is not satisfactory. I know there are other deaths on rochdale Probation Service. What do you want . Heads rolling, i dont think these people are fit for purpose. When we were in the Coroners Court we were in there forfour the Coroners Court we were in there for four weeks, the Coroners Court we were in there forfour weeks, we the Coroners Court we were in there for four weeks, we have the Coroners Court we were in there forfour weeks, we have seen the Coroners Court we were in there for four weeks, we have seen lie after lie, as far as i am concerned, it is not good enough. In any other job you would be kicked up the road. Did anybody lose theirjob as a result of what happened to your son . I have had an e mailfrom the previous mp, e mailed the minister forjustice and she said two senior staff have been released and we found out that when i and talking about now with all these failings has been moved along the line, she has been moved along the line, she has not been released. It is a joke, these people are not fit to look after people, they do not know what they are looking. We have a statement from the Probation Service. This was a dreadful crime and our thoughts are with the family of mr hoolickin and friends, to whom we apologise unreservedly. Two of the staff involved no longer work for probation, although you have told me one of them definitely does. They say we have made significant effo rts they say we have made significant efforts to prevent Something Like this happening again, recruiting 240 more Probation Officers in the north west of england and providing extra training and drug testing, Risk Management to recall procedures. We have introduced a database to track drug testing of offenders on licence and will now carefully consider the findings of the coroner to identify any further improvements. findings of the coroner to identify any further improvements. I am sick of hearing we have learned from our m ista kes of hearing we have learned from our mistakes and will do better. They should not have happened. It has happened to other families. We are devastated. These people need justice, lots of these people cannot afford to take the probation on and i could not, i am a ex professional football and i had a word with Gordon Taylorfrom the football and i had a word with Gordon Taylor from the pfa, football and i had a word with Gordon Taylorfrom the pfa, he football and i had a word with Gordon Taylor from the pfa, he got me the right solicitors and has funded it, therefore this otherwise this would have never come to light. Full credit to Gordon Taylor, without him it would never happen to light. How is your family and michaels son ellis . Ellis is a beautiful large. He is my best mate andi beautiful large. He is my best mate and i his best mate. It is unreal to see. He will grow up without his father, it is scandalous. That is why i want justice, father, it is scandalous. That is why i wantjustice, these people need to be stood up and counted. My wife is suffering with depression, she has been off work for five months. We have been together since 14 years of age, married 44 years, to see her in this state is not a cce pta ble to see her in this state is not acceptable for me, and for me it was caused by the probation. My sons are in the same boat, they are devastated that brother has gone. We are grateful for your time, devastated that brother has gone. We are gratefulfor your time, mr hoolickin, thank you for coming on the programme. We appreciate it and wish you all the best in your fight forjustice. Thank you. Lets hear from the chief inspector of probation, justin russell. You say Probation Officers need to be more professionally curious, what cases have you seen where that has been an issue . We have looked at hundreds of cases each year managed by the Probation Service, it has to keyjobs, one is to stop people from reoffending, helping them to turn the lights around, the other really important part is protecting the public, preventing risk of harm. That is an issue we have had concerns about as we had done our inspections, and an issue on which we market slightly lower in some areas. Provides what questions are Probation Officers not asking when it comes to supervising offenders that might lead to public be in hand . That might lead to public be in hand . Front line that might lead to public be in hand . Front line Probation Officers are sometimes not showing enough what we call professional curiosity, not digging beneath the surface of what is going on in an offenders lie. If an offender say social services have having contact with their child, they are not necessarily following that up and asking why it is happening. If an offender says they have moved in with a new partner, they are not asking whether there are children in this new house, and if there are, are they checking the Children Services that everything is ok . They are services that everything is ok . They a re really services that everything is ok . They are really basic questions which anybody on the street would ask an offender if they raise those issues, so why are they not being asked . We have been surprised at some of those basic checks not being done, particularly not being with the police in relation to potential Domestic Abuse and also the Children Services about safeguarding, they are probably the most cunning checks where we are finding they are not being done. They are being join in lots of cases, but not in any surprising amount. We do the checks and if something comes back, you need to follow up the intelligence. From your inspection, what is the reason the cheques are not being . Partly because there has been such a focus on reoffending and on offender needs and making sure they are being addressed, that the basics of an Public Protection have perhaps not been given so much attention. Sorry to interrupt that those examples huge escape, some are no brainers. An offender on licence, supervised by probation, perhaps the conviction was for serious violence. They say they are moving in with a new partner, it is obvious you ask whether kids are in the house . you would think so, it is disappointing it is not being done. There are issues when caseloads and management supervision, we have found that managers of front line Probation Office is have lots of stuff to manage and are not spending as much focusing on the supervision. Too much work for the two people. Both for the officers and their managers. And 615 vacancies. At the time we did the fieldwork there were 615, there are no 650 across england and wales, particularly in london in the south east, the picture is even worse there. We have been speaking to the father of Michael Hoolickin this morning, he was murdered by timothy deakin, who was out on licence and under the supervision of probation, and there are many errors which led to michael being killed, according to the coroner at his inquest. Usman khan, the London Bridge attacker, was being monitored by the Midlands Division of the Probation Service when he stabbed two people to death at the end of november. He had apparently compiled with de radicalisation courses before he was released. Then there is the serious serial rapist Joseph Mccann who was released in error. The public is not being protected, is it, by some

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