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response from you to our programme live from a pupil referral unit yesterday, that today we want to hear from you, your experiences of prus, whether you were taught at one yourself or your child goes to one. please do get in touch throughout the programme this morning and we'll speak to some of you on air after 10am. hello, welcome to the programme, we're live until 11am. throughout the morning we'll have the latest breaking news and developing stories. a little later in the programme, we'll be hearing how another 100 schoolgirls have been kidnapped by the boko haram militant group in nigeria and asking why it isn't leading to another massive outcry. do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning — use the hashtag victoria live and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. our top story today: snow is falling across parts of the uk as cold air begins to sweep in from russia. the met office has issued amber warnings for large parts of the south east and north east of england. up to 10cm of snow is expected today and as much as 20cm is predicted in some parts of eastern england, scotland and northern ireland by the end of wednesday. drivers are being warned they could face major disruption. more than 200 trains are no longer running, while british airways says over 60 flights have been cancelled. we will hear from our correspondence gci’oss we will hear from our correspondence across the uk now. phil bodmer is in stamford bridge in east yorkshire. tell us about the picture there. good morning, as you can see, it is snowing again in stamford bridge on the edge of the yorkshire moors and it has been snowing off and on throughout the morning. i have to say, this area is right in the middle of one of the amber weather warning areas but we have not had ten centimetres of snow predicted, however, that is not to say we won't get it because this snow is quite heavy now. i have to say the main a166 heavy now. i have to say the main ai66 which links the yorkshire coast with the major centres of yorkshire like leeds and yorkers remained open, the gritting teams have been out and we have seen snowploughs this morning. —— and york has remained. the main problem seems to be an public transport and with the airlines. if you are travelling abroad, the advice is to check with your airline. abroad, the advice is to check with yourairline. 0n the abroad, the advice is to check with your airline. 0n the trains, network railare your airline. 0n the trains, network rail are saying you should allow extra time because they have been running trains through the night to clear the rails. 0n the roads, merseyside police, the northwest motorway police and lincolnshire police all report accidents on treacherous surfaces and they are warning drivers to take extra care. snow continuing to fall here in sta mford snow continuing to fall here in stamford bridge. my colleague robert hall is in ashford in kent. yes, we are right alongside the m20 so yes, we are right alongside the m20 so first of all, straight to sambadrome pictures we shot about an hour ago to give you the general situation, about five centimetres of si'iow situation, about five centimetres of show on situation, about five centimetres of snow on the ground, just like in yorkshire, it is coming and going. kent county council declared what they called a snow emergency yesterday, which basically meant they got every available gritting truck on the road and they alerted farmers with snowploughs so the country roads were covered. broadly, the region's roads are running but we have had difficulties on the m2, the m20, the a249 which isjust to the m20, the a249 which isjust to the south—east of london at the north of the m20, they have big hills up there so we had jackknifed lorries and car accidents and when the car crashes happen, the gritters cannot come through and it needs the traffic to make the salt and the great work. once the traffic flows, we expect things to improve. as to the trains, similarto we expect things to improve. as to the trains, similar to the north. they are changing the timetable, running longer trains, which apparently are less likely to run into difficulties so the only issue is really are that travellers are still complaining they are not being told enough quickly enough which is something i am sure south—east trains are looking at. school closures, yes, handful closed. i think what everyone is saying is, what is on the ground now, with the temperatures, is likely to say so if we get the heavy falls expected later in the week, things will get a lot more difficult. let's go to ethics, ben ando in colchester. hello, the situation here is that commuters were facing frustration, normally there would be dozens of trains running from here to london, colchester is a big commuter town with lots of people heading into london to work. many of those trains had to be cancelled because network rail told the passenger train companies like greater anglia, tfl oi’ companies like greater anglia, tfl or great northern that they would have to be running slower trains, there would be speed restrictions and may be problems with points freezing up, all of these things mean the service has to be reduced. the message seems to have got through. there have been plenty of people coming to catch trains but certainly not as many as normal and so certainly not as many as normal and so by planning ahead and letting people know there would be problems, it seems that perhaps some of the difficult scenes with people barging to get onto trains have been avoided. going forward, the company says they hope to reinstate trains is possible because certainly, the snow has not been as bad as forecast but the freezing temperatures are continuing to cause difficulties and that looks likely to be the case, especially with more snow forecast later on. ben ando in essex, there are, robert hall in kent and phil bodmer in yorkshire, many thanks. we will bring you the full weather forecast just before will bring you the full weather forecastjust before 10am. reeta chakrabarti is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the day's news. the former most senior civil servant at the department for international trade has truly criticised proposals for britain to leave the eu customs union. sir martin donnelly, left his post last year, said 60% of uk trade was either with the eu or the countries it has agreements with. he said future bilateral trade deals cannot compensate for leaving the customs union. if we look at where we are now with fair and equal access to the very large, rich eu market which is nearly half of our service and goods exports, plus preferential access to other markets which gets us up to about three fifths of our trade, if you are going to give that up for the promise of some bilateral deals with markets that are much less important to us, it is like giving up a three—course meal for a packet of crisps. it is just not equivalent and we have to recognise that reality. the bbc has learned that syrian women have been sexually exploited by local men delivering aid on behalf of the united nations and international charities. two humanitarian agencies warned about the abuse in 2015, but a new un report shows that aid is still being exchanged for sex in the south of the country. danielle spencer is a humanitarian worker who conducted focus groups with these women, and she spoke to our diplomatic correspondent james landale. so they were withholding the aid that had been delivered and then using these women for sex. so, this was a range of women, women of different ages in the group. some had experienced it themselves. some were very distraught. i remember one woman crying in the room. she was very upset. you know, women and girls need to be protected when they are trying to receive food. meanwhile, a five—hour pause in the syrian government's assault on eastern ghouta has begun. the enclave has faced an intense air and ground attack by pro—government forces for more than a week. russia's president, vladimir putin, has ordered the humanitarian pause so that civilians can flee and humanitarian aid can be delivered. the international committee of the red cross says aid organisations are ready to go in as soon as possible. the us cable tv giant comcast has made a £22.1 billion takeover bid for sky, challenging the existing offer from 21st century fox. rupert murdoch's 21st century fox had already agreed and £18.5 billion deal to buy the 61% of sky it does not audio in. comcast, the biggest cable tv firm in the us, said it wa nted cable tv firm in the us, said it wanted to use sky as a black form for growth in europe. —— as a platform for facebook has funded a pilot programme using its messenger service to try to deradicalise extremists. users posting extreme far—right and islamist content in the uk were identified and contacted in an attempt to challenge their views. but privacy campaigners have criticised the initiative, suggesting the social media giant was straying into surveillance. you can watch our exclusive report in just a moment. this programme has been told that convicted paedophile barry bennell was sacked as a youth football coach at crewe alexandra a short time after parents confronted him and threatened to call the police about his behaviour. 64—year—old bennell was given a 31—year sentence for abusing young boys in his care ten days ago. some of the victims were linked to crewe alexandra, where bennell was employed for seven years until he left in 1992. the club has denied it knew anything about his behaviour or the abuse and said he left for footballing reasons. an armed police officer criticised by donald trump after the recent school shooting in florida has defended his actions. scot peterson was outside the school when a gunman killed 17 people. but in a statement, the officer's lawyer said it was blatantly untrue that his client was a coward. the us president says he would have gone into the school even if he had been unarmed. you know, i really believe, you don't know until you test it but i really believe i'd run in there, even if i didn't have a weapon and i think most of the people in this room would have done that too because i know most of you. but the way they performed was really a disgrace. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 9.30. after 10am, we are going to talk to some of you who have experienced of pupil referral units. we are focusing on them or this week. we we re focusing on them or this week. we were live yesterday for the whole programme from a primary pupil referral unit in north—east london. so many of you got in touch. we want to talk to you today wherever you are in the country if your child goes to one, if you were educated at one. this text from kerry came in among the many messages about yesterday, "well done to all the teachers and children in the referral unit on your programme. the teachers have shown what hard work it is but how rewarding the job is, it is but how rewarding the job is, it just goes to it is but how rewarding the job is, itjust goes to show what discipline, consistency and being calm in difficult situations can do. i really take my hat off to the teachers. they are brilliant. " do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtag victoria live and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. you can use whatsapp, and facebook as well and we will feed your personal expenses into the conversation. time for the sport and we will start to reaction to the death of a british boxer over the weekend. not a discussion we like to have, those that work in sport, in fact a discussion we would rather not be having but boxing has been put back under the spotlight by another death at the age ofjust 31, scott westga rth has at the age ofjust 31, scott westgarth has become the third fighter to lose his life after about in the last three years. it is a difficult discussion, there's over 1000 professional boxers in the uk. incidents like this are rare. the last three coming after a 15 year gap without a boxing related death but i think when you see some of the crowds at fights, baying and screening for knockout, it serves as a reminder to all of us that there are real injuries and worse incurred. since scott westgarth‘s death, so many tributes but i've picked out a few on social media. tony bellew, the former cruiserweight world champion, said his condolences but added that he is forever telling people how dangerous it is and he says he hopes people think in future before topping insults divider. former northern irish world champion carl frampton said it is a stark reminder of how dangerous the sport is. british heavyweight david price said a fellow fighter, a brother to all of us, put it all on the line and paid the ultimate price. so sad. a difficult time for the conversation to be had but a reminder that the british medical association's stance on it is that boxing should be banned, long held stance and curtis woodhouse, who was due to headline on the evening of the fight, said it now makes him question the morality of the sport. it seems there could bea of the sport. it seems there could be a new sporting career on the wafer usain bolt? plenty of teams in the country could do with an injection of pace in their side! i'm not sure you can do much better than the eight time olympic gold medallist usain bolt, shorter but the frighteners on any defence, he denounced this morning he will be playing in this year's soccer aid match at old trafford in the summer. he's a big manchester united fan and says he once discussed the idea of a trial with their former boss sir alex ferguson. during his running career, he was deluded enough to save himself for the track but now he has hung up his spikes, good new sporting career beyond the horizon? —— puta sporting career beyond the horizon? —— put a new sporting career. robbie, let me entertain you! you can run but you can't hide. stick to singing and leave the football to me. our very own robbie williams captained the england team and puts on the match for the charity unicef and hejust on the match for the charity unicef and he just answered on the match for the charity unicef and hejust answered usain bolt will captain the world 11 so if you get a ticket, you might see a unique bit of sporting history, a bold goal at old trafford. more sport later. good morning, welcome to our programme. good morning, welcome to our programme. facebook is often criticised for not doing enough to stop the spread of hate messages but we can exclusively reveal that the social media giant has been funding a project which saw their messenger system used to try to de—radicalise people. users posting extreme far—right and islamist content in the uk were identified and contacted in an attempt to challenge their views. it's been criticised by privacy campaigners as facebook straying into surveillance. our reporter catrin nye had an exclusive look at the project for us. so, first of all i'd private message them, just ask them a few questions on what's on their profile page. would you have a look first at what was on there? yeah, yeah, yeah. colin bidwell is a victim of terrorism. he's been paid to go on facebook using a fake profile and message extremists. it's part of a project funded by facebook themselves. i'd just let them know i don't want to kill anybody, i'd like to talk to people to work the issue out. in my case, i should hate muslim extremists, i'm lucky to be alive. so i thought i'd open up and maybe explain about me. on holiday in tunisia in the summer of 2015, colin saw dozens of people shot dead on the beach he was sunbathing on. someone firing a gun. bullets flying everywhere. i had a lucky escape on that day. a lot didn't, but i did, for some reason. i'm here today. be nice to people, whatever your beliefs or religion for me, it's simple. for this project, researchers found people posting both extreme islamist and far right material on facebook. colin was tasked with talking to the people posting extreme islamist content, people who may support the killer on the beach in tunisia, and challenging their views. ijust keep saying it, you can have your extreme beliefs and everything, but when it gets to the extreme violence, that's the bit i can't understand. i understand the issues that are upsetting you. sadia has been doing the same. she's a former extremist herself. we've changed her name to protect her identity. but, is this the way forward? and what sort of thing was on the profiles of the people you were speaking to? a lot of them were pictures of isis flags and they had a lot of lions with the isis memes on them. there have been a series of high—profile cases of far right and islamist extremists radicalised online. big tech companies like facebook have been taking a kicking from politicians, saying they have to do more to stop extremism littering their sites. for this project, colin and sadia were known as intervention providers. there were 11 of them and they fell into three categories — former extremists, survivors of terrorism and trained counsellors. this was a pilot project by an organisation that specialises in extremism called the institute for strategic dialogue, or isd. first of all, we identified facebook pages where people were expressing support for extremist groups and posting extremist content. we then used software to analyse the ways in which people were engaging. the researchers would then manually look at facebook pages to select people posting very extreme, far rightand isis—supporting content. what was the bar for someone to be targeted, to be chosen for this? so, we would look for people who were using the most violent, the most hateful, the most dehumanising language towards others. suggesting whole communities need to be killed, need to be eradicated. allah followers are criminals and need to be annihilated. in all, 569 people were contacted on facebook. 112 people replied. 76 had a sustained conversation and isd claim that eight people showed signs that the conversation had a positive impact. this is small numbers, experimental. what was it for you that says it did work? the levels of sustained engagement we saw a cross these categories of individuals we were reaching out to, are extraordinary. we were trying to fill a really big gap in responses to online recruitment and radicalisation and that gap is in the direct messaging space. there's quite a lot of work being done to counter the general propaganda with counter speech and counter propaganda and the removal of content. but actually, we know extremists are very effective in peer—to—peer direct messaging and that's how they're most effective. and yet there's nothing, no systematic work being done to reach out on that basis, on that direct engagement bases. on that direct engagement basis. that's the gap we've trying to fill. just worried about the future for my children with all this violence that's online. the first contact i can remember, it was just so intense. i thought someone was going to jump out of the screen or there would be a bang at the door and someone was going to try and attack me. he really did frighten me, my first contact, when i got a reply. do you think you are qualified to do this kind of work? i think i was a little bit entitled to do what i did, after what we've been through and are still going through. if there was the smallest chance that i could make some form of difference or awareness, for me, i'm in. i'm in. i think i'm entitled to ask those questions. why would someone want to take another one's life, especially if they are innocent. yeah. that is different though, isn't it, justification and qualification? yes, it is, it is. i'm certainly not qualified. i know i did quite well on the programme, but may be because everything was genuine, i was asking from me. you know, i wasn't taking it from a book, i was taking this from experience. it's always me thinking how would i speak to me, and what would have made me change my views? i had quite radical views when i was in my teens. i felt voiceless, i felt as though there was an injustice that no one was addressing. and i can really relate to these young people. this project has raised serious concerns for privacy campaigners. they are very worried about facebook, a website that advertises itself as a place for friends to connect. it's funding this kind of, what they call surveillance. based on the headlines, people might find it attractive because it does seem to be a way to counter something people are very worried about. but you need to be very careful when you are dealing with issues that really concern the public in terms of their fear of extremism, their fear for their own physical well—being and that of their family, whether these things are affected. i think it will make people sceptical about the role of social media organisations. it will make people, who are concerned about surveillance and aware of the many ways it can happen, either by companies or by governments, more suspicious. like when are you not being monitored? millie is especially worried about the fact that facebook funded a project that broke its own rules and created fake profiles for this work. to now allow fake profiles and people to infiltrate groups and then speak to people, changes the whole dynamic of what facebook is about. facebook didn't give the people running this project any special access to the site, but they did fund it. although they won't tell us exactly how much they spent. it's part of their wider efforts to do something about all the extremist material on their side. about all the extremist material on their site. at one of facebook‘s london hqs, i met the uk public policy manager. nice to meet you. this way? you allowed fake profiles to be made for this work, which is against your own rules, how did you justify that? so, it is against facebook‘s rules to use fake accounts on our platform and we wouldn't advise anybody to do so, even if they are engaged in this kind of activity. not least because our tools may well disrupt their activity. but it's confusing, simultaneously disrupting some, allowing others. it makes the rules very unclear. so, i would say we don't allow fake accounts on our platform and we don't advise people to use fake accounts at all in any circumstances, because they will be disrupted. but you did here? as i say, the research techniques, exactly what the researchers did in this circumstance was done independently of facebook. we provide advice and support on how they could for example, communicate better with people, but the kinds of trends the kinds of trends we were seeing and we provided resourcing in particular to this organisation to do this work. but the research techniques and exactly what they did is a matterfor them. the prime minister has said recently that she wants extremist content removed from facebook within two hours. this project relies on that extremist content to stay there. how do you balance those two things? we are completely aligned with her in the fact that we must remove that content as quickly as possible from our platform, because it can circulate very, very quickly and we know the damage that it can cause. it's never going to be enough simply to take down content, because there are always going to be either grey areas, but more importantly, there's going to be people who are tempted and interested in that path, regardless of what content we take down and actually finding ways to engage with those people is really, really important. while running this project there were a number of instances when researchers came across content of views that were very extreme. they had a protocol for dealing with that. i think there are concerns over who exactly is carrying out this work. even if the organisation itself may have been involved in doing research over many years, does not mean they are qualified to carry out this quasi law enforcement surveillance role. how do you know you weren't making things worse? you could create an environment where people are even more suspicious of organisations like yours. firstly, we are not government, we are a civil society organisation and i do believe there is an absolute need for more civic response to hateful ideologies. these are people posting publicly again, not privately, publicly. that speaker's corner, they are coming out on public pages and saying things like, all muslims are a virus and need to be stamped out. so you can either sensor that, perhaps they go off into an underground space online and become even more activist and radicalised. you can ignore it and it will fester, it will likely grow and we see it growing. or, you can try and engage it to see if you can walk them back from the edge. did you have people ask detail about who you were basically, who you were working for, what you are doing? strange thing is, most people didn't. there was an almost, this immediate trust. i was coming from a genuine place, but it was worrying there are so many people out there that are not, hence the possible reason that recruiters of daesh have been so successful. but they didn't know obviously their conversations would be seen by an organisation like isd and that they'd be part of a research project? no, nobody asked anything of that nature, but i did say that i was there to try and dissuade them from holding those particular views, because they were dangerous. they didn't know the research part. if someone being spoken to specifically asked, the intervention providers would admit they were working for isd, but they wouldn't say that upfront. every time someone found out that the person they were talking to was working for you guys, every single one of those didn't want to talk any more? yes, that's right. that shows this is not consensual. there's a lot of stuff that happens on social media that isn't necessarily consensual. again, these are not individuals we've reached out to because we've somehow had a look under the bonnet into private spaces. we see, we have access to and we see whatever you are able to see online, whatever any member of the general public is able to find online. these are public postings. this is speaker's corner. when they asked explicitly, why they were being engaged in this way, we always told them the truth. which was, that this was part of a programme we were running to counter extremism. if they were pushed on it, they would admit but initially they would try and carry on the conversation using the fake identity and if i'm speaking to someone using a fake identity, its deception. again, they were speaking to their personal experiences. so i pushed back on the idea this is real perception. this is real deception. these are all individuals speaking to their own real—life experiences. reaching out on an empathetic basis to engage in dialogue. so, in that sense i don't think its deception, but you are absolutely right that these are challenging issues. going into people'sfacebooks using a different identity, do you see why this kind of work would be very controversial? i can see why it would be, but we have to be in this space if we are going to challenge these views, which are extremely dangerous. we need to use people's expertise to try and be at the very place and the very heart of where radicalisation happens and if we're not there, then you will get worse. then it will get worse. it's a cancer and it needs to be tackled. more on this after 10. still to come. a former crewe alexandra player tells us paedophile coach barry bennell was sacked by the club after parents confronted him about his behaviour in 1992. that is despite the club saying they knew nothing about it until he was convicted of offences in the usa two yea rs convicted of offences in the usa two years later. and after our special programme yesterday from a pupil referral unit for primary school children, we want to hear from you about your experiences of prus. were you were taught at one, or does your child go to one? get in touch in the usual ways. time for the latest news, here's reeta chakrabarti. the headlines this morning. heavy snow is hitting parts of the uk, causing road and rail disruption and school closures. the met office has issued amber warnings for large parts of the south east and north east of england. up to ten centimetres of snow is expected today and as much as 20 centimetres is predicted in some parts of eastern england, scotland and northern ireland by the end of wednesday. like "giving up a three—course mealfor the promise of a packet of crisps". that's the view of the former most senior civil servant at the department for international trade on proposals for britain to leave the eu customs union. sir martin donnelly, who left his post last year, said 60% of uk trade was either with the eu or the countries the eu has agreements with. if we look at where we are now with fair and equal access to the very large, rich eu market which is nearly half of our service and goods exports, plus preferential access to other markets which gets us up to about three fifths of our trade, if you are going to give that up for the promise of some bilateral deals with markets that are much less important to us, it is like giving up a three—course meal for a packet of crisps. it is just not equivalent and we have to recognise that reality. a five—hour pause in the syrian government's assault on eastern ghouta has begun. it is reportedly being largely observed. the respite was ordered by russia, which said it would be repeated daily to allow civilians to leave the besieged anglais. —— besieged enclave. facebook has funded a pilot programme using its messenger service to try to deradicalise extremists. users posting extreme far—right and islamist content in the uk were identified and contacted in an attempt to challenge their views. but privacy campaigners have criticised the initiative, suggesting the social media giant was straying into surveillance. that is the latest. thank you for your comments, gemma has detected this, "i went to a pupil referral unit from year nine to 11 and all it takes is one person to 11 and all it takes is one person to really believe in you for you to start believing in yourself. i loved my experience. i went on to university and now work with young people who also attends prus". clare says, "brilliant to watch a programme about prus, i worked in a local one to 15 years and it was the most rewarding, satisfied, stressful and inspirationaljob. most rewarding, satisfied, stressful and inspirational job. the most rewarding, satisfied, stressful and inspirationaljob. the children we re and inspirationaljob. the children were fantastic and it was so good to be part of their developer and success in moving back into mainstream schools". and adams says, "i chaired the management committee of three prus, they do terrific work which is often unsung". we will talk to some of you right around the country to some of you right around the cou ntry after to some of you right around the country after 10am, who have experience of prus. we are focusing on the more this week. time for the sport. after their embarrassing defeat in the league cup final, arsenal legend ian wright has said there's no place for manager arsene wenger to stay in charge of club. arsene wenger is nearly into his 22nd year in the role but ian wright says he is more —— mollycoddling the team that has lost half of its matches in 2018. as scotla nd lost half of its matches in 2018. as scotland look to follow up their huge six nations win over england, they could be without key man ryan wilson for the rest of the tournament if he is punished for making contact with the eye of an england player on saturday. british boxer curtis woodhouse says he may not fight again following the death of scott westgarth after about at the weekend. he says it's left questioning the morality of the sport. and a time olympic gold medallist and big manchester united van usain bolt will fulfil a dream injune van usain bolt will fulfil a dream in june when he van usain bolt will fulfil a dream injune when he played at old trafford, captaining a world level in this year's soccer aid match where he will take on robbie williams‘ england side. more sport after 10am. good morning. this programme can reveal that convicted paedophile barry bennell was sacked as crewe alexandra‘s youth coach days after parents confronted him and threatened to call the police about his behaviour in 1992. that is despite crewe insisting they knew nothing about his behaviour until 1994. our reporterjim reed has been investigating. morning, vic. barry bennell was convicted of historical offences against young boys two weeks ago now and he is currently serving 31 years in prison for the offences. there are still questions that need to be answered though. not least whether the clubs involved should have done more, much more, to stop the abuse. the team most closely linked to bennell is crewe alexandra. it employed him as a youth coach for seven years until 1992. now we‘ve been speaking exclusively to a former youth team player who was there when bennell left the club. barry bennell, being driven into court for the last time. the 64—year—old was given a 31—year sentence for abusing young boys in his care, his fourth jail term in three decades. how can it be that no one realised something was wrong? how is it that no one protected us then? seven of the 12 victims in the most recent case were linked to crewe alexandra. the club has always denied it knew anything about his behaviour or the abuse. well, firstly, i remember him being a really good football coach. i started in 1989 and he was our coach at the time. now in his 30s, matt played for crewe‘s youth team for a decade. we‘ve changed his name and voice because he wants to protect his family‘s privacy. he rang my mum and dad and he said, "the boys have done really well at training this week so i‘d like to give them a little bit of a treat. so they are going to come round and there‘s going to be five or six who are going to come around the house and stay over". matt did stay over that night. he wasn‘t abused but knows boys who were. then suddenly, he says, with no explanation, his youth coach simply vanished. we then went back into training as we normally would. i think it would have been a thursday and a new coach came in and barry bennell had obviously just upped and left. crewe has never said how bennell left the club in 1992, only that it was for footballing reasons. this programme understands he was sacked and replaced days later by steve holland, now england‘s assistant manager. matt says his mother later told him a group of parents had challenged bennell about his behaviour around young boys. there was a group of parents who confronted barry because there were rumours. one of the dads in the group had said his son had gone to him and he had been touching his son. i‘m not sure of the exact circumstances behind that but they did say they were going to go to the police. shortly after that alleged confrontation, we understand bennell left the country, flying to the usa, where he bought and ran a video store near atlanta. it‘s not known if the parents‘ concerns were raised with the club or then—manager dario gradi, who is still director of football at crewe. a few months later, in may of that year, matt‘s parents received this letter from dario gradi on headed notepaper. it said:. there‘s no evidence that letter was suggesting abuse by bennell but it is very clear that by that stage, officials at the club did not want their young players associating with the coach. even if they didn‘t know, crewe as they club have an obligation even if they didn‘t know, crewe as a club have an obligation to come out and apologise and say, "we were in charge at the time and this happened". they had a responsibility to protect us at the time and i don‘t think we were protected enough. all of this comes after crewe alexandra‘s former managing director, hamilton smith, told us he raised concerns at a board meeting in the late ‘80s but no real action was taken. everybody involved could have done and should have done a lot more. the club declined to comment on the letter or the player‘s account. other officials there have always denied they knew about the abuse until after bennell left the club. just to ask again, were you aware at any point of what he was doing? no. how do you feel about the fact he was doing those things when you were chairman? infuriated. in a statement after the latest trial, crewe said it did not receive a single complaint about sexual abuse at the time and if the club had any suspicions about barry bennell, it would have informed the police immediately. last night, crewe‘s top officials met fans for the first answer is barry bennell‘s conviction. met fans for the first answer is barry bennell's conviction. yes, they hold fans forum every year at crewe alexandra, 250 fans with tickets get to meet the manager, the chairman, other members of the board and so wanted this —— and so on to discuss football and what else is going on at the club. it was held last night at gresty road, the crewe ground. we asked to go along but we we re ground. we asked to go along but we were told no journalists were allowed to attend, it was just for the fans. there were reports security on the door had a piece of paper with photos of journalists security on the door had a piece of paper with photos ofjournalists on, and reporters that have worked on the case, two apparently deny them entry if they tried to get in or use of force name and so on. in the event, though, there were three questions last night about barry bennell, a man we can show you pictures of come here, new pictures of barry bennell we have obtained. the chairman was asked about the scandal last night and declined to answer, he said he can‘t add any more at the moment because of what he said was an ongoing legal process. at one point, the bbc commentator who commentates on crewe games asked the chairman about the claims by hamilton smith, the managing director, former managing director you heard in the report. again, he said no comment. most of the questions were about football, though, the club currently 18th in league 2, the fourth tier of the football borley, so fans angry about the team‘s performance on the pitch as well. so many of you got in touch with us yesterday to talk about pupil referral units. we are going to talk to you after 10am. this e—mail says, "my youngest son went to a pupil referral unit and i said then, why can‘t all schools teach children the same as you do, here? i thought it was very good as they gave children choices on how their behaviour impacted on their free time and eventually my son went back into the traditional school system". one of the reasons might be the cost. in some places in england, it costs £48,000 to educate one people for one year in a pupil referral unit although it is less expensive in other parts of the country. hawkswood, where we were yesterday, takes up to 40 children who have been excluded from mainstream education between the ages of four and 11. the reason we were there was because we discovered a big rise in the numbers of primary age children in england being educated at prus, up in england being educated at prus, up 34% over the last four years. some other interesting facts for you, it costs £4000— £5,000 to educate one people each year in mainstream school and in prus, it is a lot more as we just said but even those costs vary wildly. kirklees, £48,000 per year, whereas in lancashire, it is £12,000 per year, plus the average length of stay in abbott varies, in bury, it is 15 weeks before a child reintegrate back into their old primary school, andy candin in london, it is over two years. the aim for every child is to go back to mainstream school. many of you got in touch to talk about your own child your own child‘s expenses at prus and we will get in touch later. we get in touch later. you have people who care around you who help you, she helps most of the children here and they kind of get that vibe that you are ina kind of get that vibe that you are in a safe environment and it helps you mentally and physically because it helps you rent a great into mainstream school. 0k. say me, when i used to be in my mainstream school, i used to keep coming out and getting excluded and stuff but now i am here and in this special school, it gives you extra help and it has re—helped me understand it is better to go back and reintegrate. -- it better to go back and reintegrate. —— it has really helped me. better to go back and reintegrate. -- it has really helped me. what do you think of it, here? it is nice and safe. it has helped me a lot from when i first came here, i didn‘t like it but now i do especially they give me help with everything and it is a very disciplined school. jacob, how long have you been here? about a year. when i first started here, i was having trouble behaving and i was making lots of wrong choices. that is what you used to be like? yeah, but now if there is somebody like annoying me or something, but now if there is somebody like annoying me orsomething, i but now if there is somebody like annoying me or something, i would just ignore them and i would just stay away from them if i know that they are going to create trouble or something and if one of my friends is trying to tell me to do something wrong or something like that, i would ignore him and say no. i know thatis would ignore him and say no. i know that is a wrong thing and i should not do that. that is the kind of thing you teach them? definitely come you are reintegrating, this week is your last week. yes. you are going back to old school? yes, i've only got today, friday and monday is my last day. how does that i am a little anxious -- had is that feel? i‘m a little anxious but i‘ve come very far and i‘ve worked hard to reach this point. children are children and they are so children are children and they are so young still and we have to give them a chance. this is our future generation and we cannot write them off at primary school age. it is not right or fair. we are not saying their behaviour choices are a cce pta ble their behaviour choices are acceptable and 0k, their behaviour choices are acceptable and ok, but we are saying they need help and additional support and that is what we do for them. once they have affected change, then they need to have the chance to be able to be part of society the same way every other child has that chance to do the same thing. in your view is there always an explanation for poor behaviour? yes. there are many reasons. we say there is a trigger. behaviour is communication, said there is always a reason why. the reasons may not always be seen as desirable to people but there is always a reason. it can be a learning need, it could be they are on a spectrum and not yet diagnosed, it could be a pa re ntal yet diagnosed, it could be a parental issue, some of that is affecting their home life, there are so affecting their home life, there are so many different issues that we need to drill down to what is going on or has gone on for these children and try to help them and support them. no one necessarily said anything to me that you can feel the pressure and the eyes staring and him being the odd one out in school, the troublemaker. i did not talk to the troublemaker. i did not talk to the other parents about it, but i a lwa ys the other parents about it, but i always felt the stigma attached to him. other parents look at you as well. as though you are a bad character? some parents come to you and say, your child has done this and say, your child has done this and stuff like that. it is really horrible. everyone knew logan. what was he doing? he would throw chairs, he would kick, he would lie down on the floor kicking and screaming. he had to be taken out of class because of it. he would be very aggressive. why do you think that was? lack of structure, lack of understanding for him. when he was in necessary they said to me, logan is having behavioural problems, is there anything we can do? i said yes, this is what we do at home and they listen. but when it came to the next school they didn't listen. i can't do that, i have got 30 other children to look after. they thought maybe it was us, we were doing something wrong. we took him to a specialist, we had him tested, they could not find anything wrong. the referral came to hear and my wife was adamant we were not going to bring him here. why? because of the stigma and the feeling of dread that this would be his life and he would be coming to a place where he would be coming to a place where he would be long. we will talk more about that and some of you around the country that and some of you around the cou ntry after that and some of you around the country after ten o‘clock. we will bring you the weather forecast, news and sport at ten. in 2014, 276 mainly christian schoolgirls were kidnapped from their government school overnight by an islmaist terror group called boko haram which means "no to western education". for a while, their fate at the hands of the militants with a history of brutality towards women was unknown, but many feared the worst — sold as slaves, raped, forced to marry their abductors. that mass abduction led to a social—media campaign under hashtag #bringbackourgirls. michelle obama was among the many famous people who endorsed it. never let that happen again was the message. four years on and another 100 schoolgirls have been kidnapped by the same militant group and it‘s barely causing any ripples. why? bukky shonibare, who‘s the founder of girl child africa and deputy chairperson of bring back our girls. tell our british audience about you know what has happened to the 100 girls kidnapped last week. and attack was launched by boko haram on attack was launched by boko haram on a technical college in the north—eastern part of nigeria. that attack lasted for some hours and it was in the night of february the 19th, 2018. after that attack, the next day there were reports released by the local community that several of the girls who attended that government school had not been accounted for, they were missing. some were said to have escaped, some we re some were said to have escaped, some were said to have run back home, some were said to be in the bushes. but as i speak to you the official figure has been put at 110 girls from that school who have not been found. the government also came out to say that some girls had been found and we were waiting for less than 50 or so. another denial of that said that they had been misled by a local intelligence person. now we are still talking about a hundred who have most likely been abducted by boko haram. what sort of ages are we talking about? we are talking about girls from the age of about nine, ten, in up until teenage yea rs. we nine, ten, in up until teenage years. we are looking at around 16 or 17. these are girls from junior secondary school going to senior secondary school going to senior secondary school three and that is the age group for the girls going to school in this part of the country. there is such a lack of security in some parts of nigeria that it means of this group, boko haram, can pretty much do this when they wanted. exactly. when we look at what happened to the chibok girls almost four years ago, in a few days‘ time it will be about five yea rs, days‘ time it will be about five years, at that time we said to ourselves nothing like that had happened before. but it put on the table the lack of security in our schools, especially when we look at boko haram‘s mandate and ideology that western education is forbidden. that group has always been attacking such targets, girls‘ schools and boys schools. one would expect that we had learned the lessons from the chibok girls issue. there should have been security and certification of schools and communities where these schools are situated. but again this abduction, this attack shows that schools are not safe enough for our children, boys and girls, as well as for teachers, particularly in the north—east region. when the 276 girls were taken from school in chibok it caused an international outcry. some we re caused an international outcry. some were eventually, after time, rescued. white do you think this has not caused the same outcry? the chibok girls issue received global attention. everyone was talking about it. it was almost like the coolest thing to do. people carried the placard and wanted to be identified with it. the girls‘ abduction connected the world on sheer humanity. everyone was talking about ourgirls, we sheer humanity. everyone was talking about our girls, we personalised it. we perceived that these girls could be my daughter, my sister, my cousin. people created that relationship as the basis upon which they engaged and advocated for our chibok girls. there was a convergence also of social media outrage where people walked in the streets, especially the bring back ourgirls streets, especially the bring back our girls movement which took place throughout the world. but when you now compare that to the abduction of these girls, the outrage has not been the same and disappointingly so. been the same and disappointingly so. i think the world is getting used to these disasters. we are getting used to the fact that girls are being taken. our narrative is it is not as many as the chibok girls. we seem to be normalising what is bad. we seem to be normalising what is wrong. maybe our hearts can no longer deal with it. maybe we think it is far of. maybe we are not connected with that level of humanity any longer. but i want the world to mobilise for these girls as they did for the chibok girls. thank you. the founder of girl child africa and the deputy chairperson of bring back our girls. we have got some cracking weather pictures being sent in this morning from our viewers. this is some snow on from our viewers. this is some snow o n roofto ps from our viewers. this is some snow on rooftops in brighton. you can see a bit more lying snow in this one. what has been happening is we have had heavy snow coming in across northern england, pushing through the midlands and it is now progressing to wales and it will clear by the time we get to the early pa rt clear by the time we get to the early part of the afternoon. we have some snow showers coming in across south eastern england towards the channel showers. if you are under that line you might have as much as three centimetres of snow fall, but they are showers and if you are not under that line, you might not see the totals i have given you. away from these areas we are looking at a fair bit of sunshine and some showers in eastern areas. wherever you are today it will feel cold. through the evening and overnight we continued the snow showers in the south east heading down towards the channel islands and later on in the night, early morning, it will come into southern cornwall, devon and possibly dorsett as well. it will be a cold night, temperatures in places where we have got lying snow and in the countryside will be lower than this, —8 or —9 potentially. by the end of the night we have got more snow in northern and eastern scotland, central scotland and north east england. this is where the met office has an amber be prepared warning. tomorrow we could have ten centimetres of falling snow in addition to what we have already had. for some of us it will be more than that. away from the amber area there will still be snow showers around, but they will not be so heavy. we have got snow in northern, east, central and southern scotland and north east england. for the rest of usa and north east england. for the rest of us a lot of the showers will drift westwards through the day, so brightening up in the south—east, but there will be won or two showers and it will be windy. either temperatures. it feels cold in itself, but when you add on the wind chill, it will feel bitter. —12 across aberdeen for example. then as we head into thursday this next system, named by the portuguese weather service as emma, it will bring snow and strong winds. hello, it‘s tuesday, it‘s 10 o‘clock, i‘m victoria derbyshire. our top story today: snow and bad weather is causing chaos in parts of england and wales with hundreds of trains being cancelled, and many schools shutting their doors. plus — this programme can exclusively reveal that facebook has funded a project which saw their messenger system used to try to de—radicalise people. i had quite radical views when i was in my teens. ifelt i had quite radical views when i was in my teens. i felt voiceless. i had quite radical views when i was in my teens. ifelt voiceless. i felt as though there was an injustice that no one was addressing. and i can really relate to these young people. we will talk about some of the issues raised by the project after 10:30am. and after the incredible response to yesterday‘s programme from a pupil referral unit — we‘ll be hearing your experiences of prus. good morning. here‘s reeta chakrabarti in the bbc newsroom with a summary of today‘s news. heavy snowfall is hitting parts of the uk, causing road and rail disruption and school closures. the met office has issued amber warnings for large parts of the south east and north east of england. up to 10cm of snow is expected today and as much as 20cm is predicted in some parts of eastern england, scotland and northern ireland by the end of wednesday. one of the areas affected is kent, where robert hall told us there is some disruption on the roads. kent county council declared what they called a snow emergency yesterday. that basically meant they got every available gritter on the road and alerted farmers with snowploughs so the country roads were covered. broadly, the region‘s roads are running but we have had difficulties of the m2, the m20, the a249 which is to the north of the m20 just to the south of london. there are big hills in that area and we had jackknifed lorries in accident and as soon as cars crash or lorries get stuck, the gritters cannot come through and it needs the action of traffic to make the salt and the great work. —— and the grit. like "giving up a three—course mealfor the promise of a packet of crisps" — that‘s the view of the former most senior civil servant at the department for international trade on proposals for britain to leave the eu customs union. sir martin donnelly, who left his post last year, said 60% of uk trade was either with the eu or the countries the eu has agreements with. if we look at where we are now with fair and equal access to the very large, rich eu market which is nearly half of our service and goods exports, plus preferential access to other markets which gets us up to about three fifths of our trade, if you are going to give that up for the promise of some bilateral deals with markets that are much less important to us, it is like giving up a three—course meal for a packet of crisps. it is just not equivalent and we have to recognise that reality. the syrian government‘s assault on the rebel held every of eastern ghouta has come to hold for five hours. the pause was ordered by syria‘s ally russia who said it would repeated daily to allow civilians to leave the besieged on flavour but no civilians have been seen flavour but no civilians have been seen taking advantage of the ceasefire to leave the area and there have been claims which have been denied that rebels have shelled a humanitarian corridor. —— the besieged enclave. this programme has been told that convicted paedophile barry bennell was sacked as a youth football coach at crewe alexandra a short time after parents confronted him and threatened to call the police about his behaviour. 64—year—old bennell was given a 31—year sentence for abusing young boys in his care eight days ago. some of the victims were linked to crewe alexandra, where bennell was employed for seven years until he left in 1992. the club has denied it knew anything about his behaviour or the abuse and said he left for footballing reasons. the social media giant facebook has funded a pilot programme to try to deradicalise extremists. the project was led by a counter—extremism organisation who used the messenger service to challenge the views of users posting extreme far—right and islamist content. but privacy campaigners have questioned the programme‘s use of fake profiles and whether facebook should be involved in surveillance work at all. that‘s a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10.30. time for the sport. good morning. if you are an arsenal fan, you‘re not having the best week probably, 3—0 defeat to manchester city in the league cup final to content with and now the same opponents to face, manchester city ina opponents to face, manchester city in a premier league on thursday night. now club great ian white has urged manager arsene wenger to step down at the end of the season, saying he cannot make a case for him staying in. —— ian wright. ian wright also feels the owner stan kroenke has lost interest and a new two—year deal given to arsene wenger last summer was a mistake.|j two—year deal given to arsene wenger last summer was a mistake. i want arsenal to start to challenge again, start signing players that make us exciting again, someone who‘s going to come in and around the arsenal group who is going to lay down the law to people and a new manager, whoever that is going to be, and the players who were now on easy street, literally. a few of the mark owning easy street and renting a property is on it! it‘s going to take arsenal a few years to get back into that because everybody is progressing right now, they are moving forward, all of them. a drug testing programme in the english but borlee is unacceptable according to an expert. at least a quarter of players were not tested last season which professor ivan waddington says is not good enough. the fa says it ru ns is not good enough. the fa says it runs one of the most comprehensive national anti—doping programmes in world sport and testing has increased with more than 5000 said to be carried out in the premier league this season. boxer curtis woodhouse is considering his future in the sport after the death of scott westgarth. woodhouse was due to top the bill in doncaster which included the fight where scott westga rth included the fight where scott westgarth suffered his fatal injury. woodhouse says it makes him question whether the profession or the sport are justifiable. scotland could whether the profession or the sport arejustifiable. scotland could be without a key man as they look to follow u p without a key man as they look to follow up their huge six nations win over england. ryan wilson‘s tournament could be over if he is found guilty of making contact with the eye of an opponent. the incident happened in the historic calcutta cup victory as he tangled with nathan hughes at murrayfield. wilson appears before the disciplinary committee tomorrow. a two—time olympic gold medallist usain bolt will fulfil a dream in june olympic gold medallist usain bolt will fulfil a dream injune when he plays football at old trafford. he isa plays football at old trafford. he is a huge manchester united fan and has made no secret of the fact he would love to be a professional player. his first step will be as captain of the world 11 in the soccer aid match where he will take on robbie williams‘ england side. the teams will feature stars and footballing legends and usain bolt says he has a special celebration plans for when he scores, not if, he‘s all we‘ve been confident! that is all the sport for now. more later in the hour. —— always been confident. we had such an incredible response from you to our programme live from a pupil referral unit yesterday. hawkswood primary pupil referral unit in north—east london takes up to 40 children who‘ve been excluded from mainstream education between the ages of 4 and 11. the reason we were there was because we‘ve discovered a big rise in the numbers of primary school aged children in england being educated at prus — it‘s up 34% over the last four years. many of you got in touch to talk about your own child‘s experiences at a pru — and we‘ll hearfrom you in a moment. all, week we‘re looking at the work of prus. while exclusion impacts on the children first and foremost, it affects parents too, of course. two of those parents we met, kerri wooden and shelley porter, talked to us at length about the emotions they feel, from guilt and shame, to pride. i‘m shelley, i have four children. my eldest is at university, i‘ve got six—year—old twins and then i have cruz. i could see from an early age that he was going to struggle at school. he was not making friends and any friends that tried to get close, cruz would bully, push away. he was just different. my name is kerri. i've got two children. my eldest one is 11, his name isjamie and i've got logan, who is seven. the best bit about being seven is... seeing your dad and going swimming with him like i did and... getting your own way, almost. logan's journey has been... horrendous, horrific. he's had a terrible time. really, really bad time, told constantly that he's weird and that he's different. what kind of worries? just lots of worries. people being accepting of him, how will he cope as he gets older? would he have friends? would he get a job? would he be able to conform in society, in the big, wide world? just the normal things that any parent wants for their kid. is he going to be able to do that? if anything happens to me, what will happen with logan? how would anyone else be able to cope with him and deal with him and be able to see the smaller signs and put him as their priority? because even though i am lucky enough to have a couple of people in my life that do see them smaller signs, that's not the love of a mother. he has broken my heart many times with, "why can‘t i have friends over? why wasn‘t i invited to the party?" he said to me, "i know that i'm weird, mummy, but i can't help it. it'sjust who i am". and that's when that, kind of like... oh, it hurt, you know? because he was only five at the time and ijust kind of said to him, "everybody's weird. everybody's weird in their own little way. you're just you". cruz has made life really difficult, notjust for me but for himself and for the whole family. you try to do everything you can to appease him but you often find that nothing is enough. he almost boycotts any kind of fun by ending any fun day out with some kind of outburst or fight with his brothers and sisters. sometimes he can be nice but sometimes he can be not nice. yeah. yeah, he can be like that, you know. yeah. i remember once looking back on these and seeing the difference in the way logan had been before he started school, how much more outgoing he was and how happy he was and relaxed. he's been given a diagnosis for anxiety but no diagnosis of autism. people from the outside, theyjust see the naughty behaviour so that is scary as well because then, they are not seeing the illness that comes along with it when he has been ill, like literally, physically making himself sick, wetting the bed, needing to go to the toilet before he leaves the house, alopecia, blood spots all over his face, he will get broken capillaries. there are so many different things and so many different sides to it all but people don't understand that and they don't see that. yeah, i did feel ashamed because there were incidents where cruz was hitting other children at school or maybe breaking their pencil, ripping up some work and i felt that parents would be looking at me when i was taking him to school, you know, that is cruz‘s mum, cruz did it. you are always being judged. for his behaviour, for him hiding under a table instead of playing with the other kids, for him not wanting to hear noise because he might shout at another child if they are too much for him, you know, because he does not want to play with certain children because they might have a bit of dirt on their shirt. you know, people, family members would be thinking that i‘m behaving like a weak parent, you know. he needs to be disciplined, he needs to be told. it gives the stigma of being some kind of chavvy parent, that's incapable of being able to discipline theirjob properly. but you could not discipline cruz the same way as you would discipline another child. it did not work. because of the stigma that is around everything, we end up trying to push our children to be as mainstream as possible. obviously, i love cruz. he‘s my boy. my son. but you want everyone else to love him and embrace him and when he‘s... his behaviour is not very likeable, it is hard to accept that your child is not actually that lovable. so i used to say, like, i love him but how the hell is anyone else going to love him or even like him? kilt, which part? i did have a lot ofi kilt, which part? i did have a lot of i suppose guilt that i was letting him down, just because i did not know what to do but i never felt that i wasn‘t giving him everything i could. for me, that i wasn‘t giving him everything icould. for me, my that i wasn‘t giving him everything i could. for me, my guilt is not trusting my own judgment and listening to other people. what do you want to drink? because i'd be like, "there's something wrong, there's something wrong". everyone would be like, "no, he'sjust being spoiled, he should do this or that". cruz comes from a very loving, sta ble cruz comes from a very loving, stable family, although i am not with his dad any more, you know, i don‘t want people to think that it could be the reason why, you know, he behaves like this. imai hairdresserso imai hairdresser so whilst i was working, i would imai hairdresser so whilst i was working, iwould be imai hairdresser so whilst i was working, i would be getting phone calls to pick logan up. he needs to go home, we can‘t deal with him here, he has smashed up the class and he‘s hiding under the desk. here, he has smashed up the class and he's hiding under the desk. he's got to be excluded, so i were dead of having to have time off work. i had to leave and if i've got a client, they've got bleach on their hairor, client, they've got bleach on their hair or, you know, product, that can cause a lot of complications. hair or, you know, product, that can cause a lot of complicationslj hair or, you know, product, that can cause a lot of complications. i gave up my cause a lot of complications. i gave up myjob cause a lot of complications. i gave up my job about cause a lot of complications. i gave up myjob about eight months ago. i could not hold down a full—time job and leave every other day to come and leave every other day to come and collect him from school.|j and leave every other day to come and collect him from school. i lost myjob in and collect him from school. i lost my job in february and collect him from school. i lost myjob in february 2017 so i've not been back to work since then. it's catch—22, isn't it? if you're working, you're not spending enough time with your children and if you are not working, you are on benefits and urs grandeur. —— you are a scrounger. i felt very isolated as a parent. i didn‘t know what to say. i felt very isolated as a parent. i didn't know what to say. it leaves you feeling extremely isolated and alone because you have constantly got people questioning you. and you have constantly got people questioning and you are fighting and defending all the time. no one gets to know your child, so why would they get to know me? no one gets to know your child, so why would they get to know me ?|j no one gets to know your child, so why would they get to know me? i am alone in this. i have not got a partner to lean on, i literally my own. i went down to see the pru and as soon as own. i went down to see the pru and as soon as i walked through the door i thought, he has to come here. i literally broke down. they said, we will help you. quite a lot. i think the reason i am getting emotional is because of the way they wanted to help me. mainstream school had basically given up hope. my family were giving up given up hope. my family were giving up hope and this gave me that hope back and it was like a rush of emotion like, thank you. thank you. it was good, really good. emotion like, thank you. thank you. it was good, really goodlj emotion like, thank you. thank you. it was good, really good. i was so relu cta nt to it was good, really good. i was so reluctant to send him there in the first place because they do restraining technique. the teacher says tough love. he has done so well, it is a complete turnaround. he never liked learning. he was too scared to learn because he was scared to learn because he was scared of getting things wrong. now you get, it is ok, mummy, nothing is impossible, just give it another try. the word impossible does not exist. and then i met miss milligan who literally changed my world. and his world. and he loves reading and spelling out words to you, he is doing so well. it is like a complete turnaround. it gives me a lot of hope. i have hope, ifeel happier, he is happier. i am going to be an inventor. i am going to make stairs so inventor. i am going to make stairs so if you fall down them it will not hurt. i so if you fall down them it will not hurt. lam putting so if you fall down them it will not hurt. i am putting cotton wool in stairs. we just 100% feel hurt. i am putting cotton wool in stairs. we just 10096 feel so much more positive. his time at the one was upjust more positive. his time at the one was up just before christmas, so they had little graduations, which was lovely. they showcased what he had done and how far he had come since he had been at the pru. we are so since he had been at the pru. we are so proud of you. it is amazing to see a child come through hardships that a lot of adults struggle with. lam that a lot of adults struggle with. iamso that a lot of adults struggle with. i am so proud of him. it makes my chest feel like he is going to burst, he has done so well. it was nice to see him relax and put on his graduation hat and just be proud of himself. that makes me proud. that makes me proud. so many of you get in touch with us yesterday and wanted to share your own story with us. with us is a former pru student abigail schultz. also with us is emma hopkins, a mother whose son was at a pru between 2012 and 2014. gemma spent two years in a pru and now acts as a mentor. gemma spent two years in a pru and now acts as a mentor. we also have helenn el baze — her eight—year—old son is currently a student at hakswood pru and is due to go back into mainstream education during the spring. welcome, thank you for coming on the programme. emma in blackpool, iam going to start with you if i may. your daughter has spent time in a pru. tell us why. she was bullied at school and got school anxiety. she was 12 and refused to go to school injanuary was 12 and refused to go to school in january 2000 and was 12 and refused to go to school injanuary 2000 and 15. initially the school sent work to home for her to do and in april 2015 she started one—to—one, and our day at the pru doing english, maths and science. from september 2015 she started attending the group sessions two hours a day and by december she was full—time at the pru. in february 2016 she had to choose options for gcses and she decided she wanted to go back to high school. she wanted to go to university and at the pru you could only do five gcses. but it helped improve her confidence, it helped improve her confidence, it helped her a lot. that is interesting what emma is saying. it is not always because of behavioural problems that you end up going to a pupil referral unit. abby, you went to one for health reasons. you were anxious and self harming and it was too much for you to go to your secondary school. i could not cope with it like emma‘s.. i had a school phobia and my diagnosis was social anxiety and depression. i was getting help for that outside of school with therapists and mental health services. i was lucky it got picked up by teachers at school. not all teachers are understanding, but my parents recognised the signs that i was not coping at school. what difference did it make you being in a pupil referral unit. the classes we re a pupil referral unit. the classes were smaller, so i did not feel so anxious going to class. how many we re anxious going to class. how many were there? attendance was up and down, but there were about nine in my class. i was able to do my gcses there which i probably would not have been able to do if i was in mainstream, or i would not have done as well as i did. what did you get? six eights and bes. ie adamant that would not have happened if you had stayed at secondary school?|j would not have happened if you had stayed at secondary school? i would not have done so well because the school helped me personally as an individual. in mainstream school they have got a lot of children in they have got a lot of children in the class and it is difficult to give help to everyone individually so give help to everyone individually so the quieter ones get missed out. their problems are not always recognise. they are not always tutored us individually perhaps some of the louder ones if that makes sense. the louder ones might excel more and i was quite quiet and i found going to the pupil referral unit with smaller classes allowed me to find my voice more. i was encouraged through the tutors there. ican encouraged through the tutors there. i can see helen standing over there, she has just arrived. i can see helen standing over there, she hasjust arrived. thank i can see helen standing over there, she has just arrived. thank you for getting here. nice to meet you. take a seat. tell us about your child, clem, and he started at hawks would where we were yesterday just last month. he is eight, why is he there? he isa month. he is eight, why is he there? he is a very smart boy, and i am not saying that because he is my child. i would say he is very clever and capable. he was not settling in in his classroom and it was just in the classroom and at school. there is a picture of him there. at home and everywhere else outside of school he is your average child. he responds to things normally, but at school he would get frustrated by anything. like what? somebody would pick up a pen that he particularly wanted and that would be a trigger. he would be in the school hall and he would smell something he didn't like and that would be a trigger. like what? he would have a panic attack, an anxiety attack. i have seen it once and it was horrible. it was horrible to see my child in that way, so distressed. i could not calm him down. he wasjust screaming and he was not even looking at me. i could not get eye contact. i had to let him calm himself down and took a long time and this was happening at school on a daily basis. was he being suspended regularly? yes, weakly. from this septemberjust gone last year was when it really started getting bad and it felt like weakly. my phone would ring up work and all my colleagues would say, is it school again? we all had anxiety, notjust me, it was everyone. it was horrible to know that he was at school so distressed. then i felt bad for the teachers, then i felt guilty at work that i was leaving all the time, it is such a vicious circle. you think he might have ocd but it has not been diagnosed. he has not been diagnosed with anything, but some days i can see the traits of ocd. some days i concede traits of other things. adhd may be sometimes, i don't know. but he is capable. i didn't mean to interrupt, but how would you say he is after a month or so after a pupil referral unit? it is amazing work that they have done with him. like i heard you saying, they treat him as an individual. that is the main thing. iagree, an individual. that is the main thing. i agree, i an individual. that is the main thing. iagree, i understand an individual. that is the main thing. i agree, i understand you cannot do that as well in a class of 30 children, but i am a single pa re nt 30 children, but i am a single parent and it isjust me and him at home and we have had adult conversation and he is very involved in the house and everything. he is very able to articulate himself, so maybe in a class of 30 he doesn't feel like he gets the attention. he is not spoiled and i am straight, but he does not maybe get the attention that he wants. let me bring in another emma who has got in touch. hello. your son was in a pru between 2012 in 2014. how did he get on? the first time he was there really well. he went there for a couple of days a week. he had a placement with his mainstream school. the days he was at the pru was fine, but mainstream was unbearable. they had brought the pru in because the wanted respite and that was how debuted. to be honest it was respite for me as well because i did not have the school on the phone every five minutes. do you think generally people have the wrong idea about what referral units are alike in reality? i think they do. i went to one myself in my secondary education and it was misunderstood then and it is still misunderstood then and it is still misunderstood now. there are a lot of assumptions made about parenting. like what? there is an assumption there is no discipline. i was very young mother and it was felt a pa rental young mother and it was felt a parental issue. you were a bad pa rent parental issue. you were a bad parent m yes, and notjust in education, that was the assumption across the board. meaning relatives and friends? lesson from them, but from the medical profession, the mental health teams involved. there was an assumption made because he was an assumption made because he was academically able there is an assumed capacity that kids who are academically able are able to choose their behaviour. prus are pretty red as units were children cannot behave themselves and in reality it is far from that. hello, gemma. you spent two years from that. hello, gemma. you spent two yea rs in from that. hello, gemma. you spent two years in a pru and now act as a mentor to students. they are related. tell us why. the reason i started mentoring young people was because my experience in the pru is it to one person to believe in me to change my outlook on life. before i we nt change my outlook on life. before i went i felt very let down, i felt nobody understood me, i suffered from anxiety and depression and my school was not very well equipped to deal with that. when i went to the pru i was treated as an individual is mentioned by previous ladies. i was treated fairly, i was understood, people took time to find out how to calm me down. i work with five different young people at the moment and they are all very individual. it takes different ways to calm each of them down. it means you have to get to know people. in the pru it gave me time to understand where i wanted to go in life and i ended up going to university to study youth and community work which allowed me to go into mentoring now. what do you say to those people who say it costs much more to educate people in a pupil referral unit, the classes are small, there is one on one time spent between a teacher and a child, it costs a lot more, what do you say to those people who say why should the children who play up or have a tantrum or who caused a scene or who tipped their desks over get more money spent on them through education and a good kids? it's sad because when i started working in the pru, i realised what i was to my school and it was all about money. my school had to invest the money in me and when i went back re ce ntly the money in me and when i went back recently with my daughter, for her school place, i told them i had gone to university, i graduated really well, i have done very well for me and my children, i've got a very good job, they were very proud of me so good job, they were very proud of me soi good job, they were very proud of me so i assumed they believed it was money well spent. i know for a lot of young people, they feel let down by the system and i don't think they should be seen as money and money should be seen as money and money should stop them from getting into things. the budget cuts at the moment to young people and youth services after—school ahronoth. you need to keep them in education. —— after—school r and r. two pupils i am working with have not got a school place for five months. it's not ok. we need to get these children into school and money should not stop that at all. talking of money, and incredible fact i mentioned a couple of times yesterday and i will mention again, one charity has worked outcome of the 6500 pupils who were permanently excluded from schools in england last year, they have worked out they will end up potentially costing the country £2.1 billion in extra education, health costs, welfare, mental health costs, criminal justice system. you know, the link is extraordinary, really. let me read some messages from people around the country. this is from judy, "i want to commend your team for the wonderful insight into what these schools can offer to children that for some reason do not fit into mainstream schools. my son attended a pru in year ten which was several yea rs a pru in year ten which was several years ago now and they guided my son through a difficult time and he has never dwelt on the time negatively. regular reports on his progress and co nsta nt regular reports on his progress and constant feedback was always available and positive experience now looking back". laura said, "thank you for bringing this issue tonight, —— delight, i‘m in a similar situation with my six—year—old and i can identify the challenges the other mothers are discussing. they are brave to do that so publicly and i thank them for sharing their stories". sue says, "watching a programme, my heart goes out to the two mothers who have boys with profound behavioural problems, i can‘t imagine the sense of relief at finding support their sons". julie says, "the mothers on your programme remind me of the despair i went through when miles distant —— artistic son was excluded from mainstream primary because to the school he was a massive bundle of problems but to the fantastic special school we got into, he was a bright kid with autism". "my husband worked in a pru in wembley and was so worked in a pru in wembley and was so upset when he left he cried. the teenagers love tim and shame it had to merge with another local pru and seejob cuts. to merge with another local pru and see job cuts. —— to merge with another local pru and seejob cuts. —— loved him. "in terms of the costs, the government says alternative provision academies, free skills and pupil referral units receive a base funding of £10,000 per place from the high needs budget and then receive top up payments from the local authority. that is true. do you think it was right to shine a light on what pupil referral units do? as it made a difference to you? i think it is good to shine a light on it, for people to understand it is not a place for bad children. it really isn‘t. i mean, talking about the money aspect of it, if you had a health care need, for example, the nhs would support you and somebody might not say, "oh, well, i was until my whole life so why should you be allowed to use my taxpayers money when you are ill?" it is the same kind of situation. like cruz‘s mon said, she has other children who are or have been in normal, mainstream schools. it is not something you want for your child. it is not like i have picked for my son to have these behaviour problems. it is something that has happened and i‘m very grateful that the service is there to help them because i think they are helping him. i mean, he‘s only been there a month and a half and a week ago, he said to me, "i‘d really like to go back to my mainstream school, i feel like i am making much better choices andi like i am making much better choices and i get on really well there". does the fact of hearing him say it. it must make your heart burst. grid rack are literally come he just came out with it, it was amazing. thank you forjoining us. and good luck to all of you. well done for getting here on time as well! time for the latest news — here‘s reeta chakrabarti. heavy snowfall is hitting parts of the uk, causing road and rail disruption and school closures. the met office has issued amber warnings for large parts of the south east and north east of england. up to 10cm of snow is expected today and as much as 20cm is predicted in some parts of eastern england, scotland and northern ireland by the end of wednesday. like "giving up a three—course meal for the promise of a packet of crisps". that‘s the view of the former most senior civil servant at the department for international trade on proposals for britain to leave the eu customs union. sir martin donnelly, who left his post last year, said 60% of uk trade was either with the eu or the countries the eu has agreements with. if you look at where we are now, with fair and equal access to the very large, rich eu market which is nearly half of our service and goods exports, plus preferential access to other markets, which gets us up to about three fifths of trade, if you are going to give that up for the promise of some bilateral deals with markets that are much less important to us, well, it‘s like giving up a three—course meal for a packet of crisps. it is just not equivalent and we have to recognise that reality before we take this decision. there‘s increasing pressure on the five—hour truce being observed in the searing enclave —— syrian enclave is in good. there have been reports of shelling and as elizabeth. russia ordered the pores which would allow humanitarian aid in and people to leave. the united nations say people need to be evacuated out of the area but there is no sign it is happening soon. at least three people have died in a house fire in county fermanagh, the police service of northern ireland have said. emergency services remain at the scene at the property in derrylin. police are working to establish the cause of the fire. this programme has been told that convicted paedophile barry bennell was sacked as a youth football coach at crewe alexandra short time after pa rents at crewe alexandra short time after parents confronted him and threatened to call the police about his behaviour. the 64—year—old was given a 31 year sentence for abusing young boys in his care, eight days ago. some of the victims welling to crewe alexandra, where he was employed for seven years until he left in 1992. the club has denied its new anything about his behaviour or the abuse and said he left for footballing reasons. that‘s a summary of the latest bbc news. we are going to talk about a facebook project where individuals use facebook messenger to engage people with extremist views or posting extremist content on the app, to engage them in conversation and challenge them on their views and challenge them on their views and talk to them about the views. this tweet from bill, "facebook makes up its own rules without any way to challenge them. my account was disabled for no reason and they never respond why". denise says, "so what is the answer? should we will be privately looking for extremists and talking to them ourselves? therefore, no one would have to worry about privacy. something obviously needs to be done but the way facebook went about this needs changing". we will talk more about that later so send in your views and we will feed them into the conversation. time for the sport. after their embarrassing defeat in the league cup final, arsenal legend ian wright has said there is no case for manager arthur and they get to stay in charge of the club. wenger, nearly into is dragged the second yearin nearly into is dragged the second year in thejob but ian nearly into is dragged the second year in the job but ian wright says he‘s mollycoddling the team that has lost half of its matches in 2018. as scotla nd lost half of its matches in 2018. as scotland look to follow up their huge six nations win over england, they could be without key man ryan wilson do the rest of the tournament if he is punished for making contact with the eye area of an england player on saturday. british boxer curtis woodhouse says he may not fight again following the death of scott westgarth after about at the weekend. woodhouse says it has left him questioning the morale of this board. atime him questioning the morale of this board. a time olympic gold medallist and big manchester united van usain bolt will fulfil a dream injune —— eight time olympic gold medallist. he will captain the world 11 at this year‘s soccer aid match where he will take on robbie williams‘ england side. more sport after 11am. we can exclusively reveal that facebook has been funding a project which saw their messenger system used to try to deradicalise people. users posting extreme far—right and islamist content in the uk were identified and contacted in an attempt to challenge their views. it‘s been criticised by privacy campaigners as facebook straying into surveillance. our reporter catrin nye had an exclusive look at the project for us. we bought you herfull film earlier, and here‘s a short extract. so first of all, i‘d private message them, ask them a few questions about what is on their profile page. would you have a look first at what is on there? yeah, yeah. colin bidwell is a victim of terrorism. he survived the 2015 tunisia beach attack. he has since been paid to go on facebook using a fake profile to message extremists. it‘s part of a project funded by facebook themselves. be nice to people, whatever your beliefs or religion, for me. it is simple. researchers found people posting both extreme islamist and far right material on facebook. 11 people including colin were tasked with trying to challenge their extreme views with conversations on facebook messenger. just keep saying, you can have your extreme beliefs and everything but when it gets to extreme violence, that is the bit i can‘t understand. counter—extremism organisation the institute for strategic dialogue was behind the research. we were trying to fill a really big gap in responses to online recruitment and radicalisation. the gap is in the direct messaging space. in all, 569 people were contacted on facebook. 112 people replied. 76 had a sustained conversation and isd claimed that eight people showed signs the conversation had a positive impact. people like colin used fake profiles to have these conversations, something against facebook‘s own rules. i would say that we don‘t allow fake accounts on the platform and we don‘t advise people to use fake accounts at all in any circumstances because they will be disrupted. but you did here? exactly what the researchers did in this circumstance was done independently of facebook. the project has raised serious concerns for privacy campaigners. i think there are concerns over who exactly is carrying out this work. even if the organisation itself may have been involved in doing research over many years, it does not mean they are qualified to carry out this kind of quasi—law enforcement surveillance role. i think it will make people sceptical about the role of social media organisations. when are you not being monitored? only if they were specifically asked did the people having those conversations admit they were doing it on behalf of a research organisation. every time someone found out, the person either cut off the conversation or reacted aggressively. how do you know you weren‘t making things worse? you could create an environment where people are even more suspicious of organisations like yours. these are violent, hateful views. you can either censor that. you can ignore it and it will fester. or you can try to engage it to see if you can walk them back from the edge. now let‘s talk with sasha havlicek, who is the head of the institute of strategic dialogue who did the research, and who we saw in catrin‘s film. also with us are millie graham wood from privacy international, who is concerned about the impact of the pilot scheme on privacy and surveillance grounds, and miqdaad versi from the muslim council of britain. welcome to all of you. why is facebook funding this?” welcome to all of you. why is facebook funding this? i think they are facebook funding this? i think they a re interested facebook funding this? i think they are interested in finding innovative solutions to a problem on their platform. we actually did this work prior to the pilot that they funded ona prior to the pilot that they funded on a smaller scale. we are in the business of trying to find innovative solutions, increasingly, these challenges are going online, and we need digital responses and we went to them with a piece of action research that was designed to fill a gap and look at what might work to address this problem. the methodology was ours and i need to say this over and over but the data is public. we were not given any preferential look under the bonnet in terms of the data. we are looking at essentially what people post publicly. this is the modern—day version of speakers‘ corner. this is somebody coming out, not posting questions and concerns about british foreign or immigration policy. these are people who are posting dehumanising, violent messaging against another group. you are shaking your head when sasha was saying it is the equivalent of speaker‘s corner. was saying it is the equivalent of speaker's corner. no, it is not. facebook has allowed a change to the rules of the game. they funded an organisation by setting up fake profiles and can monitor people who are not doing anything illegal as i understand it and who are part of the groups that facebook allows to exist. yet you are being monitored without your knowledge and you are being assessed perhaps on your likes and friendship groups in ways that you have no cob renton. can you respond to that? when anybody asks our intervention provider, and i should say we are a civil society organisation and it is within a network we have developed of former extremists, survivors of extremism, and they have a very personal story to share with people. as such they have great credibility. they are personally sharing openly their own experiences and they are being very honest in doing that. do we need to protect them? yes, we do and pseudonyms are used by security. but they are very open in the engagements they have these individuals and they share a lot of their own personaljourneys in those engagements. the trouble is, you say the use of pseudonyms, but facebook are allowing people to breach the terms of service. if these are the rules of the game we need transparency from facebook that they are permitting this. we saw in one of the clips that one of the people who worked for you had been a victim. obviously someone like that has huge emotional engagement with this kind of thing that does not mean they are the right person to conduct this form of surveillance. if this is what facebook is to become, surveillance platform, this has to be people who do not an emotional engagement to a certain degree because they need to be objective, they need to know what they are doing and they need to be professionals if this is the route we want to take. those intervention providers did not conduct the research. our research is conducted the research based on what people we re the research based on what people were posting publicly. then we match people up within our network to be able to weed out on a personal basis with these individuals. we provided all our intervention providers with training and pastoral support because this is difficult work. this is not anything new in the off—line sense. this kind of direct engagement work happens in the off—line world and we know once somebody is in a sustained engagement with a trusted person, and intervention provider, they are very unlikely to cross the threshold to violence and that is what we are trying to do. we are trying to help them to accept that pathway to hate and violence. in the off-line space they get the opportunity to see the person and know the person. overall the idea that facebook is starting to look at content more carefully is a good thing. the criticism is that it is not really. this might be seen asa it is not really. this might be seen as a way of silencing a little of the criticism because it does not ta ke the criticism because it does not take enough extremist content down. that is right. there is a big problem because when there is somebody inciting violence, and if thatis somebody inciting violence, and if that is a group of people who is being targeted, it is people who are inciting violence who are glorifying terrorism, these are things that are getting very close if not breaching the law. if they are breaching the law, there should be police intervention. we need to go through a legal process. i worry slightly in that grey space if that are not insufficient safeguards in place, what stops things going wrong? that is what we need to try and understand better and ensure there are appropriate safeguards in place so we can are appropriate safeguards in place so we can have transparency and accountability when things go wrong. absolutely and we apply the gold standard in social work and policing practice in terms of risk frameworks and support we provide. how can you do that when you are not a counterterrorism officer? it is all happening in the pre—criminal space and it is important to understand that. if you only address this problem through hard solutions, law enforcement or military solutions, you will never get to the heart of the growing challenge which is underpinning it. when you say pre—criminal space you mean what? what sort of things are people saying that would allow your intervention providers to engage them in conversation? it has not crossed a legal threshold. what are you saying? what sort of comment would trigger one of your intervention providers getting in touch with them? well, who can kill the most refugees? let‘s have a national lotto. the sort of things. people referring to rounding people up people referring to rounding people up in gas chambers. potentially that is incitement to violence, that is not pre—criminal space. is incitement to violence, that is not pre-criminal space. as we did this programme of work, we did see accou nts this programme of work, we did see accounts coming down during the course of the programme, which is right. how many? i do not have the number of the top of my head. number of the top of my headm cannot be that many you would have remembered. there is an influence in how much content is out there, for insta nce how much content is out there, for instance in the islamist space and the extreme right space. we found a lot more being suppressed in a violent way in the right wing space than in the islamist space which gives you a sense as to how much pressure has been put on that issue. we have seen a lot more happening there, but it does not get rid of there, but it does not get rid of the challenge which is how do we engage with individuals who are progressing down a pathway in a way that can turn them away? that can happen. there are cognitive openings that give us an opportunity to turn people away, often kids who are angry and who are feeling alienated. the future is in the digital space. if we do not get into that space and do things in an innovative way, we will lose. ok, thank you very much. ok, thank you very much. like "giving up a three—course mealfor the promise of a packet of crisps", that‘s the view of a former senior civil servant at the department for international trade on proposals for britain to leave the eu customs union. chris mason is at westminster. who is this person? sir martin donnelly, a former permanent secretary, chief civil servant at the department for international trade. he worked alongside liam fox who has a big brexit speech coming up who has a big brexit speech coming up at lunchtime. he will talk about the real merit of leaving the customs union and being able to go out around the world and strike international free—trade arrangements and deals on a global scale. but the guy who used to be most senior civil servant has, yes, is going to give a speech tonight, but has a very arresting phrase, all about giving up that three course dinner of minestrone soup and maybe rabbits and vegetables and new potatoes and apple crumble and custard and replacing it with this, a packet of crisps. here is so martin donnelly. here is so martin donnelly. if we look at where we are now with fair and equal access to the very large, rich eu market which is nearly half of our service and goods exports, plus preferential access to other markets which gets us up to about three fifths of our trade, if you are going to give that up for the promise of some bilateral deals with markets that are much less important to us, it is like giving up a three—course meal for a packet of crisps. it isjust not equivalent and we have to recognise that reality. so martin donnelly. women in syria have been sexually exploited by men delivering aid on behalf of the un and international charities, the bbc has learned. aid workers said the men would trade food and lifts for sexual favours. despite warnings about the abuse three years ago, a new report shows it is continuing in the south of the country. danielle spencer, a humanitarian adviser working for a charity, heard about the allegations from a group of syrian women in a refugee camp injordan three years ago similar accounts can be found in a united nations population fund report. the un‘s tamara alrifai joins us now from cairo. she is a spokesperson for the un‘s population fund. she is a spokesperson for the un‘s population fund. the conservative mp pauline latham sits on the house of commons international development committee. are you going to name and shame the organisations? i cannot name and shame organisations because the ones we work with have not been implicated in anything. there have been no reports of organisations working directly with the un. it is a very different area to access for international organisations, so other relief organisations rely on local and syrian workers to carry out their work. are you taking the allegations seriously or not? we are the writers of the report. we have been issuing annual reports about how aid and how women have been accessing gender—based violence services and whether or not anything they want has been given to them in exchange for sexual advances. if this is not serious, what is? we are the authors. if you will not name them because of the reasons you explain, what are you doing about it? we are making the findings public, the report has been online for the last three years. it has helped and it has allowed humanitarian organisations to title their mechanisms, including reporting on such abuse.” their mechanisms, including reporting on such abuse. i want to bring in poorly if i may, what do you make of these accounts?m bring in poorly if i may, what do you make of these accounts? it is shocking. you cannot believe so many men are prepared to do this sort of thing with the most vulnerable people in the world and these women, and probably girls, are so vulnerable and they are starving. what else can they do? can your committee do anything? we will be having a report which will commence fairly soon. we are going to ask for written evidence from anybody who wants to put it in and then we will be doing face—to—face interviews with various people in the aid sector. they will be asked to report to us and we will be asking some very serious questions. thank you both, i wish we could give it more time. thank you for your patience, i appreciate it. on the programme tomorrow, an exclusive interview with the police officer in charge of effectively catching britain‘s paedophiles. join us tomorrow at nine. thank you very much for your company. have a lovely day. snow has been causing big problems across different areas of the country once again today. the met office still have enforced an amber weather warning for heavy snow in eastern england. it is coming to the end of its validity period, but that does not mean an end to the snow. snow showers will continue in kent where they have caused problems on the m25. but showers will continue to roll in from the north sea, so eastern areas getting a kicking of snow. it is a freezing cold day, feeling very icy in the winter. overnight the wind changes direction and that will move the heaviest snow in north east england and eastern areas of scotland. another very cold night with a widespread and sharp frost. not much to scrape of the windscreen because the air is dry at the moment. on wednesday and thursday that heavy snow accumulates, widely 5—10 centimetres of snow in north and east scotland and england. this is bbc news and these are the top stories developing at 11am... heavy snowfall hits parts of the uk causing road and rail disruption as cold air sweeps in from russia. i think the concern is that with temperatures as low as they are, what‘s coming down now will remain, and we‘ve got more heavy snow forecast for the end of the week. the met office issues amber warnings for large parts of north—east and south—east england. trade secretary liam fox will set out plans for new trade opportunities after brexit, but they‘re criticised by his former top civil servant. if you're going to give that up for the promise of some bilateral deals with markets that are much less important to us, it's like giving up a three—course meal for a packet of crisps. it's just not equivalent. a pause in the syrian government‘s assault on the rebel—held

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