Transcripts For BBCNEWS Victoria Derbyshire 20170629 : compa

Transcripts For BBCNEWS Victoria Derbyshire 20170629

Could he be so stupid . The line went dead and he did not contact us again. Not for another three weeks. We will have an interview with the pa rents we will have an interview with the parents about the last time they spoke to their son. Will the government stand firm on its Spending Plans when their legislative programme is debated in the commons again today . We are live until 11, as we are each weekday morning. The question today is it time to relax their pay cap on firefighters, teachers, nurses and eve ryo ne firefighters, teachers, nurses and Everyone Else who works in the Public Sector . If youre affected by the pay cap which was debated in the commons last night, and there was a movement to try to get that lifted but it was defeated, if you want to see that happen, do let me know how you think it should be paid for. It is expected that the retired Appeal Courtjudge, sir martin it is expected that the retired appeal court judge, sir Martin Moore Bick, will be appointed to lead the public enquiry into the Grenfell Tower fire. The government says it is determined to get to the truth of what happened at Grenfell Tower, and this is the man set to be given that task a retired Court Of Appealjudge, sir Martin Moore Bick. He specialised in commercial law in a career spanning almost 50 years. With the clamour for answers, he will be expected to produce his initial findings quickly. The police say they may not be able to confirm how many people died until the end of the year at the earliest. They estimate so far that the death toll stands at 80, but stress that is not the final picture. Some victims may never be identified. As the investigation continues, the National Housing federation is calling on the government to stop its testing of cladding, and instead focus on removing it to make people safe. Having had 120 different tests, from different samples, from different buildings, in different parts of the country, i think we can now say that according to the tests that the government is carrying out, this cladding is not fit for purpose. We dont need to test any more of it. Today, another victim of the fire will be laid to rest, tony disson. His family say they are devastated, and will miss him terribly. The sad reality is there will be many funerals to follow. Simon jones, bbc news. Lets talk to our legal eagle, clive coleman. Tell us more about this retired judge. He has coleman. Tell us more about this retiredjudge. He has a kind of classic cv of a successful Court Of Appealjudge. He was called to the bar ini986, appealjudge. He was called to the bar in 1986, served as a Deputy High Court judge, bar in 1986, served as a Deputy High Courtjudge, and bar in 1986, served as a Deputy High Court judge, and was bar in 1986, served as a Deputy High Courtjudge, and was then a High Courtjudge, and was then a high court judge, courtjudge, and was then a High Courtjudge, serving mainly in the Commercial Court, dealing with technical, engineering type evidence, in many cases, which of course is a qualification for grenfell. He retired last year, and for the last two years, he was Vice President of the Court Of Appeals civil division. He is married with children. He is an establishment figure, and his brother is a retired general. Why is he described as controversial by the papers today . He left the Court Of Appeal last year, he left the Court Of Appeal last yea r, after he left the Court Of Appeal last year, after serving 11 years or so. This morning, in the papers, one of his decisions has been picked up, and it is a case in 2014 where he oversaw a case and ruled that a london tenant, a woman who lived in westminster, a single mother with five children, and she was re housed some 50 miles away by Westminster Council, in bletchley, near Milton Keynes. She disputed that decision, said it was unlawful, took a Judicial Review will stop when it got to the Court Of Appeal, he had to scrutinise whether decision taken by the council. And councils are allowed to rehouse people out of area in certain circumstances. He decided it was not unlawful. Some people are nodding at that as perhaps a perceived bias against vulnerable families. Everyone i have spoken to has said, look at his entire career. This was one decision and he was applying the law. After the case, the solicitor said, the judgment could have dire consequences for vulnerable families across the country. He said, it gives the green light for councils to engage in Social Cleansing Of The Poor on a mass scale. When you have comments like that, you could see why some people would think that is a controversialjudge for this enquiry. What about the Terms Of Reference, who decides that . That will be decided by the government. Let me say why i think they have picked this particularjudge. First, he has been in the Commercial Court. Asa he has been in the Commercial Court. As a barrister, he was involved in Shipping Cases and would have had to deal with Complex Engineering Matters why a ship sank, for instance. You need arejudge you can get their head around the technical details. You also need a judge who is going to be good in communicating with the families, empathetic. Heather hallett got a lot of plaudits for the way she handled the 77 case the 7 7 case. A friend of martin moore bic has said that he can be persuaded and can change his position. Annita mcveigh is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the days news. Therell be another big test for theresa may in the commons today as she faces a key vote on the queens speech. With the support of the democratic unionists, the government is expected to pass its plans for the next parliament, after narrowly surviving a vote last night on changes to Public Sector pay. 0ur Political Correspondent leila nathoo has the details. The ayes to the right, 309. The noes to the left, 323. The first vote of this parliament on a Labour Amendment to the queens speech proposing to end the cap on Public Sector pay rises went the governments way. This was the first test of theresa mays deal with the dup, made to boost the numbers on her side in the commons. Last night, it delivered. All ten dup mps voted in line with the conservatives to help see off the oppositions challenge. Today ahead of the final vote on the queens speech which sets out the governments policy programme, labour will try their luck again. Were putting forward fundamentally what was in the manifesto in the election, a brexit which guarantees Trade Relations with europe, a government that ends the Public Sector pay gap with europe, a government that ends the Public Sector pay cap and a government that invests in the educational future of all our children, from nursery through to university. Labour thinks its on the front foot with its calls to end austerity. Many conservatives admit the cuts didnt go down well on the doorstep during the election campaign. But after signals from senior Cabinet Members and Downing Street sources that the pay cap would be reviewed, jeremy hunt later insisted there was not yet any change in policy. We will not make our decision on Public Sector pay until the Pay Review Body has reported. And we will listen to what they say, and we will listen to what people in this house have said before making a final decision. Theresa may is expected to win the vote on the queens speech today with the support of the dup and her backbenchers are unlikely to rebel. But her majority is slim, her authority is still fragile. Leila nathoo, bbc news, westminster. Police in australia have charged one of the most senior Roman Catholic cardinals, george pell, with sexually abusing children. Cardinal pell is in charge of the vaticans finances and is considered to rank third in the hierarchy of the church. He is accused of multiple offences dating back to the 1970s charges hes strenuously denied. Iam i am looking forward finally to having my day in court. I am innocent of these charges. They are false. The whole idea of sexual abuse is abhorrent to me. Talks over resuming power sharing stormont have stalled with only eight hours to go until the deadline. Northern ireland faces the prospect of direct rule from London Ifan Prospect of direct rule from london if an agreement cannot be reached. Culture and media secretary Karen Bradley will make an announcement today about whether 20th century fox, owned by Rupert Murdoch, is allowed to take over sky. It would give mr murdoch total control of the broadcaster of which he already owns 39 . 0pponents say that any deal will give him too much power over the uk media. A mother has described the distress of discovering her baby son had been circumcised without her consent. The woman, from nottingham, said she has been trying for four years to get the authorities to take action, after she opened her sons nappy to find him covered in blood. The boy was circumcised in 2013 when he was apparently staying with his paternal grandparents. Three people have now been arrested on suspicion of Grievous Bodily Harm with intent. The National Crime agency says its increasingly concerned about the influence criminals from the balkans particularly violent gangs from albania have over the uk Drug Trafficking market. It says corrupt workers at ports and airports make it easier for gangs to smuggle in drugs. Heres our Home Affairs Correspondent, danny shaw. More news at half past nine. To get in touch with this today. Details on screen. Now, lets get some sport. The big news from new zealand in the last few hours is that Warren Gatland has named his lions team for the second test. You wait four years for a lions tour and you just hope it wont be an anti climax, but it may be going that way this time around. The pressure is building for Warren Gatland and his players, stuck between a rock and a hard place at the moment. We knew it would be tough against World Champions new zealand. They go into the second test in wellington knowing that anything other than victory means they cannot win the series. Warren gatland has made several changes, Sam Warburton replacing peter 0mahoney in the back row. George cruise drops out of the Match Day Squad altogether. Courtney lawes will beer substitute. Ben teo moves to the bench. 0wen farrell is given a start at inside centre, meaning jonny sexton will take up that pivotal spot. Warren gatland gave his views on that farrell and sexton combination. They havent started together but they have had quite a bit of time together. It has given us bit of time together. It has given us two ballplayers, two Kicking Options on the right foot. We also have left foot options. We are happy with the mix. That partnership could be key to the lions unlocking success be key to the lions unlocking success this weekend. Is not their side. The only time they have lost the opening test in comeback to win was in was in australia in 1989. According to the incoming chair of uk sport, there are huge concerns about the welfare of athletes. Tell us more. Dame Katherine Grainger, 0lympic tell us more. Dame Katherine Grainger, olympic gold medallist, will be the new chair of uk sport from july. She has given herfirst interview and says she has huge concerns over athlete welfare, and given the recent Bullying Accusations in several sports, she feels there is a real need for improvement. She has little experience in sports administration, so experience in sports administration, so it was a Surprise Appointment at a critical time. Despite her amazing achievements, in her interview with our sports editor, she says shes very serious about this new role. There i huge concerns about welfare, without a doubt. I think we have to address it. Everyone is under pressure, so address it. Everyone is under pressure, so athletes want to deliver, coaches want to get results, performance directors, Chief Executives. There is a situation of, how good can we be and how many medals can we deliver . And the future of our sport is dependent on this. Sports are complaining about the funding they have been receiving, and she says there will bea receiving, and she says there will be a tough financial future ahead, which will be a challenge for all disciplines going forward. A bit of that expectation for tokyo and beyond may have to be curtailed a little bit. Thank you. More throughout the morning. Labour will ask mps to support elements of its general election manifesto today aimed at increasing public spending. Theyre doing it by putting forward whats called an amendment to the governments programme for the next few years known as the queens speech. It will get voted down though because even conservative politicians who support an easing of austerity wont bring down their own government by voting against the queens speech. A previous Labour Amendment, on lifting the Public Sector pay cap, was defeated in the commons last night. But some senior conservatives appear to have signalled that, after seven years, austerity could be coming to an end. A quick reminder of the last chancellor, george osborne, last year spelling out his approach to the public finances in the years he was in charge of the purse strings. This is the first time this government has announced the difficult decisions on spending. It will not be the last. And that is why the government is asking the Public Sector to accept a two year pay freeze. There are big underlying problems we have to fix in our economy. More repairs, more cuts, more difficult decisions. So we may need to undertake further reductions in spending because this country can only afford what it can afford. Now contrast that with senior conservative mps and Cabinet Ministers who in a series of interviews yesterday left no doubt as to the governments new approach. Weve had to take some tough decisions and in the wake of the general election, were going to have to think through what we do come the next budget. I think in due course, not immediately but in due course, we will need to consider the question of the Public Sector pay cap. This is obviously something we have to consider, not just for the army but right across the Public Sector as a whole. 0ur Political Guru norman smith is in westminster. Is this the end of austerity, norman . It may not be the end of austerity, but i think we are seeing austerity, but i think we are seeing a fundamental change now in the wake of the election, although the government will probably win tonights queens speech debate, and they won the vote last night on the paid cap, things have changed pretty fundamentally. What is striking when you listened it for example to yesterdays debate was the number of conservative mps getting up and basically saying this pay cap is unfair, it demoralises staff in the nhs, makes it harder to retain and recruit staff. There is a broader sense among the tories that they cannot carry on with it. We have had pay freezes for seven years now. If you think back to Margaret Thatcher when she was Prime Minister she attempted austerity about two or three years and we have now had seven yea rs. Three years and we have now had seven years. This has never been done before. When you listen to george osborne, under his plans we would be carrying on with austerity potentially for another seven years up potentially for another seven years up to the middle 2020s. There is just a recognition that the Great British public are weary, they are tired and do not have the stomach for going on with this. And also the sense that the easier cuts in Public Ser

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