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strips the person of their personality. and as ukip call for a ban on full face veils — one woman who wears a niqab tells us it will lead to a rise in attacks on muslim women. hello. welcome to the programme, throughout the programme, the latest breaking news and developing stories — and as always, really keen to hear from you. a little later, we'll be talking about scoliosis. if you were watching britain's got talent on saturday night, you will have seenjulie, the dancer in the middle, talking about her curvature of the spine. that is what scoliosis is. as a result of discussing that on prime—time telly on a saturday night, people are learning about it sometimes for the first time. if you're affected by scolosis, do get in touch this morning — use the hashtag victoria live. if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. our top story today... voters in france have chosen the two candidates who will go through to the final round of the presidential election in two weeks' time. they are the independent centrist, emmanuel macron, and the leader of the far—right national front, marine le pen. it's the first time in six decades that neither of france's main left—wing or right—wing parties has had a candidate in the run—off to replace francois hollande as french leader. our europe correspondent, james reynolds has more. emmanuel macron is france's newcomer, and now the winner of this election‘s first round. he is an insider who's run as an outsider. the 39—year—old is a pro—eu, pro—business centrist. he resigned as a minister in order to form his own political movement. and his gamble has paid off. translation: i hope that in a fortnight, i will become your president. cheering. his supporters believe that the rest of the country will now rally around him. this is emmanuel macron‘s first election. the french people still hardly know him. he is now the favourite to become this country's next president. marine le pen, the front national leader, will fight emmanuel macron in the final round. she won more votes than the party has ever won before. it matches her father jean—marie's achievement 15 years ago in reaching a presidential run—off. translation: the french people must take this historic opportunity, because the biggest issue is the globalisation that's putting our civilisation in danger. in bastille square in paris, some left—wing protesters faced off against the police. these demonstrators were angered by the results of this vote. they, and the rest of the country, will have their final say in two weeks' time. james reynolds, bbc news, paris. hugh schofield joins us from paris. these two finalists are offering com pletely these two finalists are offering completely opposite visions of france in the future? they are indeed. and what is interesting in all of this is how the old left right divide in french politics has completely been swept aside by this vote. it is a process which is arguably happening in other countries as well, but here it is very stark. the old parties, the republicans on the right and the socialists who have dominated politics for 60 years have been com pletely politics for 60 years have been completely clipped by this new divide which, as you say, is between the global and the national. marine le pen is clearly articulating the view of the victims or those who have not benefited from globalisation, the old white working class, who want more protection and a return to national borders and are very much opposed to the globalised europe which has become the norm. and then emmanuel macron, who alone of all the candidates yesterday has taken up the cudgels for europe in saying yes, it needs to be changed and reformed, but let's not throw out the baby with the bath water. let's keep something that is precious to us and will be necessary for future prosperity. precious to us and will be necessary forfuture prosperity. so we precious to us and will be necessary for future prosperity. so we do have a very divided country. although emmanuel macron has emerged as the surprise winner yesterday and must be regarded as the favourite, if he does become president, he will have to rule a country in which this dividing line between haves and have—nots, or beneficiaries and sufferers from the system, will be very stark indeed. joanna is in the bbc newsroom, with a summary of the rest of the day's news. a man's been arrested in connection with the murder of a former royal navy officer thought to have been run over by his own car. it's thought michael samwell — who was 35 — was killed when he confronted thieves outside his home in chorlton in the early hours of sunday morning. simon clemison reports. how did a disturbance at a house in the early hours end in a murder investigation? michael samwell and his wife were woken up by a loud noise, and the former royal naval 0fficer went downstairs to have a look. the exact sequence of events that followed is not clear, but outside, now cordoned off, the 35—year—old was run over as his car was stolen. he was taken to hospital, where he later died of his injuries. the vehicle was found abandoned a few miles away. this could have happened to anyone. you hear a noise downstairs and you go and see what it is. it's incredibly tragic that he has lost his life. this is described as a quiet corner of manchester. and gathered in silence, people came to pay their respects, laying flowers at the scene. i work at nights, so i walk home. it will be a bit different here now. i am a bit shaken up because obviously, it is close to my house. it is just scary. one theory is they did break in simply to get their hands on the car. if that is the case, it's led to a far more serious enquiry. simon cleminson, bbc news. four drivers have admitted falling asleep while operating trams in croydon, where seven people were killed when a tram derailed last year. a investigation for the victoria derbyshire programme has also discovered a failure with a safety device, known as "a dead man's handle", that was not reported to the regulator, and three incidents of speeding since the crash in november. tram 0perations ltd, which runs the line, said driverfatigue was monitored and controls were "fully functional". jeremy corbyn is promising to repeal what he calls "vicious" trade union legislation brought in by the conservatives if labour wins the general election. the labour leader is making his first campaign visit to scotland today, where his party is trying to claw back support after huge losses in the election two years ago. two men are due to appear in court today, charged in connection with an acid attack at a nightclub in east london on easter monday, which left two people blind in one eye. arthur collins, who's 2a and the boyfriend of the reality tv star, ferne mccann, is facing 14 counts of wounding with intent and one count of throwing corrosive fluid with intent to cause grievous bodily harm. the government will go to the high court to try to delay publishing its strategy for tackling air pollution. today was the deadline for ministers to present their plans, but they claim voting rules mean they can't publish sensitive policies before the general election. campaigners say they're trying to dodge a difficult issue. tougher punishments for the most serious cases of speeding have come into force in england and wales today. drivers can now be fined one and a half times their weekly wage for the worst offences — that means driving over 50 miles an hour in a 30 zone or 100 miles an hour on a motorway. and a 12—year—old who was trying to drive across the entire breadth of australia has been picked up by police. the boy was pulled over already 800 miles into his journey in broken hill in the new south wales outback on saturday after a patrol noticed the car's bumper dragging on the ground. police believe he'd planned to keep going all the way to perth, which would take another 30 hours. he is now back with his parents. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 9.30. thank you for your comments about being carers. brian says, i gave up my business to care for my mum, who has alzheimer's. i didn't want to go into a care home. jamie says as a carer, you learn to shut yourself down and work 2a hours a day. chris says i was an unpaid care for my dad until he died two years ago. unpaid carers have been saving the care system ‘s fortunes for years. the saving from my family must be in six figures. and leanne says your report looks heartbreaking. well done, soon. that is the woman we feature in ourfilm in the next soon. that is the woman we feature in our film in the next few minutes. you are doing well and it is ok to feel like running. if you are a carerfor feel like running. if you are a carer for a relative, get feel like running. if you are a carerfor a relative, get in feel like running. if you are a carer for a relative, get in touch and tell us what it is like. use the hashtag victoria live and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. let's get some sport now with will it is going to be arsenal against chelsea in the fa cup final. has the pressure eased on arsene wenger? probably not. arsenal fans are celebrating, but many are divided on whether they want arsene wenger to carry on as manager. he is out of contract in the summer, but the big win for contract in the summer, but the big winfor him contract in the summer, but the big win for him in wembley. sergio aguero gave city the lead at wembley before nacho monreal equalised for arsenal, drilling at the far post from 0xlade—chamberlain's cross, and thenit from 0xlade—chamberlain's cross, and then it went into extra time. 1—1 after 90 minutes. this was alexi scrambling in a winner to book arsenal and fa cup final day with chelsea. hugely significant for both managers. arsene wenger, it is not often we have seen him smile this season. seventh in the premier league, with so much speculated about his future, but he is on to win the fa cup for the seventh time. not so good for this man, pep guardiola. he will end this season without a trophy, the first time in his coaching career that he has done that. we expected special things. the former barca and bayern munich boss, no trophy for him and they have the manchester derby on thursday as well. barcelona's lionel messi cannot stop scoring. what a game last night. it was a sensational game. he is a freak of nature, no other way to describe lionel messi. let's look at the goals from last night. barcelona we re goals from last night. barcelona were trailing i—0 goals from last night. barcelona were trailing 1—0 at the bernabeu, on enemy territory. this was him levelling up to make it 1—1. it then went to 2—2 with sergio ramos sent off for the home side. cue an incredible last 15 minutes. that was lionel messi, sticking away his 500th goal! he's still only 29. a casual 47 goals for this season and more importantly for barcelona, they lea pfrog more importantly for barcelona, they leapfrog real madrid at the top of the la liga title race, which blows it wide open. and from the london marathon yesterday, so many amazing stories, but it was quite a day for the swansea harriers running club. it was. look at these pictures. 5 million of you watched this. this is david wyatt. you may have seen his brother present the sport on this programme. he was struggling to reach the finishing line. his hero on the left, matthew rees, came to help him. dave was on for a two—hour 38 finish, and a starting time. he still managed it in under three hours. i have played football with dave before and seen him doing better than that. i texted him last time. he said he has had a big burger and is feeling much better. he was on bbc breakfast this morning and is holding his own press conference, very presidential! but it is great for swansea harriers. another great story from yesterday singer that this is josh another great story from yesterday singer that this isjosh griffiths, 23 years old. two hours and iii minutes and 5a seconds. he is going to qualify for the world championships. we will hopefully hear from championships. we will hopefully hearfrom him at ten championships. we will hopefully hear from him at ten o'clock. i have texted him to see if he will come and have a chat. i don't know how anybody wants a marathon! amazing if anyone —— for anyone who got to the end. as the country faces a care crisis, several charities have told this programme they want social care to be a top priority in the election campaign. alzheimer's society, independent age and uk homecare association are calling for political parties to feature the issue high up on their manifestos, with betterfunding a key area they want the next government to focus on. the government says it's investing an extra £2 billion in social care, but critics say this isn't enough. this morning, we're going to bring you an insight into caring for a relative. suejenkins says she's basically given up her life to care for her mother patricia, who is 88 and needs round the clock care. she has dementia, is doubly incontinent and uses a wheelchair. 0ur reporterjames longman has been to meet her. it's ok. it's all right. i'll stop now. i said stop. what's it like to spend your life looking after someone else? to sometimes not sleep, not eat, not really have much of a life at all? i have given up my life. give up those things. you'll give up anything. we spent 2a hours with 88—year—old patricia jenkins and her daughter sue who is her full—time carer. she had funding to keep her mum at home stopped twice by the authorities, but she is battling on. it's 8am and sue is getting patricia ready for the day. patricia suffers from alzheimer's and is also disabled. she is doubly incontinent and wheelchair bound. she requires around the clock care. whilst sue does have carers to assist her at different times, her life is wholly dedicated to looking after her mother. we'll get mummy changed. sue. she has a lot of challenging behaviour, screaming, hitting out... does she do that a lot? yes, she does. that can't be helped. that's part of that illness and it strips the person of the personality that they really are. i've lost my friend. my best friend. what is it like for you, for your mum to hit you, while you're trying to care for her? the stress on you must be pretty intense. yes, it's heartbreaking and it can make you feel useless. as she is saying that you are and it can make you quantity as she is saying that you are and it can make you want to run for the hills and just run into the night and there have been many occasions where ijust wanted to run off thinking i was a useless carer. patricia can't spend more than a couple of hours away from her daughter before she becomes too distressed. people watching mightjust sort of think, you've given up your life. is that fair? i have given up my life, yes. i used to sail a lot. i used to do so many things. very outward going person, but i take care of my mother and that's it. is that her screaming? yes. do you want to go? yes, is that 0k? sorry. ifeel like i'm constantly dropping you. even speaking to us was difficult. ok. all right mummy. do you want to come in? it has been like this for two years. you do want to come in? sue has one or two carers at various times in the week, although they're not full—time. but even so, her mother constantly calls for her. what do you want to do? see you in a moment, 0k? all right. bye. it's clear that sue is finding the going tough. it's horrible to see her so distressed like that. she doesn't want to come back in half the time. you've got a carer here, but it is up and down, up and down, isn't it? yes. people watching this might sort of say is it not time for her to go into a home? never. and the government want to encourage people to stay in their own homes and nurse people in their own homes and say there is support out there for carers that there is, but there isn't. it's the most isolating situation anyone could find themselves in. and your mother i suppose is the one person you should be able to talk to about that? yes, and i can't anymore. i've lost my best friend. she's there... somewhere inside, but you know, the person i dearly love and dearly want to talk to about so many things has left me already and the thought of losing her fills me with complete dread because my life is very much her. sue. do you want to go? she is shouting for you again. it's ok. sue. sweetheart, can you just give us a little bit of quiet for a minute? i need changed. all right, we'll get you changedment all right. ok. all right. i promise. it's 2.20am. it's time for bed. we gave sue a camera to show us what it's like overnight. she has been highly agitated all evening and to the point where we had to go for a walk around midnight. the nights are when things can get really bad. patricia will ask to go for walks. her skin needs to be prepared for the cold air. we tried to speak to patricia, but she becomes very agitated with people she doesn't know and that wasn't possible. 0k, we're getting you out, don't worry about it. sue sometimes goes without sleep altogether. tonight pains in her abdomen have kept patricia awake. i'm feeling really tired. it has been a very, very tiring day. and ijust hope that she sleeps now. so we get on and hoist her into bed now. a brief moment to say good night. it has just gone 3am. we've managed to settle mummy in bed. but she's still a little bit restless. i feel really cold. i've been on the go now all day with a pretty bad day. lots of agitation. mother in quite a state and anyway, i'm going to go and get another hot—water bottle and see if i can get some sleep before she will need changing again. it's early morning and the routine starts again. what's been the plan this morning? what have you been having to do? well, at about 6.30am, 7am. we tried to change her because she was incontinent which she has been through the night, but we couldn't roll her and turn her at all, she was quite aggressive and was clenching. so we couldn't actually move her physically. she was resisting and then grabbing hold of us both and so unfortunately because of that, because she has been to the toilet it then spread and we've really been trying to clean her up and it has been a big clean up operation this morning. i think she is calling for you. yes. being here, you really get a sense of what being a carer is like and i meanjust on a couple hours sleep, sue is up every morning looking after her mother, yes, she has carers here, but she almost has to manage them as well and this is her whole life. i mean, just looking after her mum and it has been like this for two years. i'm cleaning her. it costs over £2,500 a week to keep patricia at home. paid for by local care services. but sue says they have twice tried to stop that funding in order to force her to put patricia in a home. she says she feels constantly hounded by authorities and has been taken to court over payments she says she isn't liable for. it has been absolutely devastating. the hours that have been stolen from me over this court case where i have had to e—mail after e—mail after e—mail and chase and phone, it has taken hours away, hours that belong to my mother and i. six years ago, sue's husband left her when she decided to look after her mum full—time. are you lonely? i have good friends, but the friends that don't understand go by the wayside and you find that having any kind of relationship in my situation is very difficult too and that can be quite heartbreaking. it would take a very understanding man to understand my situation. every so often sue takes her mother on days out. they can't go too far, but today it's a trip to the sea. that's for us to drink because we haven't had any lunch yet. we need to stop and get some lunch. do you want me to see if i can put some music on? music. it is worth it. there are those beautiful tender moments, the occasional little laugh, not often these days. oh, i like the moves! i like the moves! i think people watching this and seeing what you go through will ask themselves well, when does this stop, what happens when it is too much, when you can't see any enjoyment anymore, when maybe you can't look after her anymore? have you thought about that? do you even talk about that with her? i don't talk about it with her. it is unimaginable that i would never look after. i get the sense of a carer that's related to the person they're caring for, you might be better equipped to look after them, but then are you really ready to let go? no, not really if i'm honest. i don't even want to think about it. you can see the bond between sue and her mother and you can see those glimpses of the woman patricia clearly was of the there is a lot of love there, but this whole situation had a big emotional impact particularly on sue and you know this is just particularly on sue and you know this isjust a particularly on sue and you know this is just a woman who really needs help. 0ver six million people in the uk volunteer to care for sick or elderly relatives. those numbers are going up and so are the pressures. it's so moving. it is something that affects so many of you judging by the number of comments we're receiving. let's have a look. karen, "it is incredibly hard to be a carer. my mum needs everything doing for her. i share the caring with my brother, mainly over the whole weekendful she does have carers popping in, but not every day and the carers don't have enough time to do what's necessary. soi enough time to do what's necessary. so i find myself cleaning up after them. carers themselves are not looked after enough, not paid enough and have little respect in their own job." this texter says, "i am a carerfor my son job." this texter says, "i am a carer for my son who has special needs as well as other issues. it is ha rd needs as well as other issues. it is hard work and demanding. you never get time to yourself and when you do, you're mentally drained." that teen says, "i am a full—time carer for my mum. she won't let anyone look after her even for a day." elaine, "i am puzzled, looking after relatives. the unpaid word suggests ita relatives. the unpaid word suggests it a state responsibility. surely it isafamily it a state responsibility. surely it is a family responsibility." thank you for those. keep them coming in. and after 10:30am, we'll be hearing from people around the uk who care for their relatives. if you do — get in touch and give us an insight into your day. still to come: ukip says it would ban full veils worn by some muslim women if they won the general election. living with a curved spine. 15—year—old julia carlile raised awareness of scoliosis when she danced her way through to the semi—finals of britain's got talent on saturday. but the surgery available in the uk to correct it would stop her dancing. an e—mailfrom an e—mail from bethany on this to say, "peu was dig knowed with this at eight years old. my curvature was severe and i had my spinalfusion operation aged ten. my parents didn't think i would walk againment however, i was determined to exceed expectations. i got all as and a stars at dance and drama at school andi stars at dance and drama at school and i have gone on to study per fortunatelying arts and i have gone on to study per fortu natelying arts and and i have gone on to study per fortunatelying arts and have become a professional performer and dancer and choreographer. " thank a professional performer and dancer and choreographer." thank you, bethany. here'sjoanna in the bbc newsroom, with a summary of today's news. a former banker will take on the anti—immigration far right leader marine le pen in the second round of the french presidential elections. emmanuel macron came first in the vote yesterday. he's seen as a political newcomer and ran as an independent. it's the first time in six decades the mainstream parties have not had a candidate in the run—off to become french president. a man has been arrested in connection with the murder of a former royal navy officer thought to have been run over by his own car. it's thought mike samwell — who was 35 — was killed when he confronted thieves outside his home in the chorlton area of manchester in the early hours of sunday morning. mr samwell was asleep with his wife jessica when the intruders struck. four drivers have admitted falling asleep while operating trams in croydon, where seven people were killed when a tram derailed last year. a investigation for the victoria derbyshire programme has also discovered a failure with a safety device, known as "a dead man's handle", that was not reported to the regulator, and three incidents of speeding since the crash in november. tram 0perations ltd, which runs the line, said driverfatigue was monitored and controls were "fully functional". we'll bring you more on that investigation after 10 o'clock. jeremy corbyn is promising to repeal what he calls "vicious" trade union legislation, brought in by the conservatives, if labour wins the general election. the labour leader will make the pledge today to trade union members in scotland, where his party's trying to claw back support after huge losses in the election two years ago. two men are due to appear in court today, charged in connection with an acid attack at a nightclub in east london on easter monday, which left two people blind in one eye. arthur collins, who's 2a and the boyfriend of the reality tv star, ferne mccann, is facing 14 counts of wounding with intent and one count of throwing corrosive fluid with intent to cause grievous bodily harm. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10.00. time for the latest sport now. arsenal's aaron ramsey said the team wa nt to arsenal's aaron ramsey said the team want to win the fa cup for arsenal wenger. it will be an all london final between arsenal and chelsea next month. they came from behind to ta ke next month. they came from behind to take the tie into extra time before alexis sanchez scrambled in that winner. it finished 2—1. bigelow ka nte has winner. it finished 2—1. bigelow kante has won the professional footballers association player of the year award. tottenham's dele alli won the young player prize for the second successive year. 500 goals now for lionel messi in a barcelona shirt. his side blue la liga post by title race open with a dramatic victory at real madrid, messi with a stoppage time winner. and they club runner with swansea harriers stunned britain's elite men at the london marathon to qualify for the 2017 world championships in london. josh griffiths, who is 23, finished in two hours, 1a minutes and 49 seconds on his marathon debut. victoria warner speak to him just after ten. —— victoria warner speak to just after ten. —— victoria warner speakto him. ukip says its election manifesto will include a pledge to ban the full face veils worn by some muslim women. the party leader, paul nuttall, suggested people who continued to wear a niqab or a burqa would be fined. a niqab, on the left, allows the eyes to be seen. a burqa, on the right, doesn't. so does this policy amount to an attack on muslims? let's bring together sahar al faifi, who's worn a niqab since she was 1a. she is a geneticist and assistant secretary general of the muslim council of wales and also with us, linones, who's on ukip's national executive committee. liz linones, tell liz jones, tell sa har why you linones, tell sahar why you would ban what she is wearing right now. two reasons. firstly, the issue of security. i'm sure you are aware that on the 21st of may 2005, one of the london bombers endeavoured to escape by wearing the full niqab. so we have a security issue. i am sure you are also aware that there was a recent robbery at selfridges store in london, where all the robbers wore the niqab. i am also sure you are aware that there were big issues in student campuses and the dormitories in cairo, jordan and afghanistan with terrorists entering those buildings wearing the niqab. so we have a security issue. on that point, would you ban motorcycle helmets and balaclavas, because we have had robberies with people wearing those? using the same logic? no, because it is about the sharing of public space. you cannot enter certain public areas. but you can commita certain public areas. but you can commit a robbery wearing a motorcycle helmet or balaclava. but you are not saying the ban motorcycle helmets? no, because there is another element. the second element is the issue of integration. we have to accept that the move of the 21st century is towards inclusiveness and cohesion within the public space. so many people would consider that a woman being covered would show that she is separated, whether willingly or unwillingly, from society. in fact, iam sure unwillingly, from society. in fact, i am sure you are aware that in 2006, jack straw, the labour mp, spoke vociferously against the face veil and he was supported by gordon brown and tony blair. injanuary 2016, david cameron reiterated that and said public authorities should have the right to set down reasonable rules with regard to the wearing of the face veil. lets let sahar respond wearing of the face veil. lets let sa har respond now. wearing of the face veil. lets let sahar respond now. thank you. first of all, i have to explain why i am wearing the face veil. firstly, it is an act of worship. i am a human being ona is an act of worship. i am a human being on a spiritualjourney, trying to connect with god. that is why i wear it. the narrative that the face veil somehow undermine security is a false narrative. muslim women who choose to wear it are a minority within a minority. and this minority are more than happy to reveal their identity with an id card whenever needed. so security is a false narrative. with the rise of islamophobia and the hostile environment around muslims, there are politicians making irresponsible comments across the political spectrum, not only ukip. it now sits the context that we live to demonise and scapegoat minorities. and the easiest target for that is the muslim woman. if we are talking about empowering muslim women and enhancing their integration, surely you should support their right to express their faith in the way they want. theresa may said on hijab day in february, what a woman wears is her choice. so when we have people telling us it is actually a security issue and undermines integration, we have to talk to the women who choose to wear it. i am a geneticist. i participate in public life. i campaign for social justice. but when you have the far right like ukip trying to distract the public from the more important issues like housing, unemployment and creating jobs for youth using this piece of fabric that i'd choose to wear as pa rt of fabric that i'd choose to wear as part of my faith, part of my identity. i have to say, it is not a far issue. as i said, in 2006, jack straw... he apologised for it. he apologised publicly. but he did have the support of gordon brown and tony blair. but he said it was a mistake. please don't talk at once. i will give each of you the right time. it is not an issue with regard to religion per se because in 2017, the grand mosque in mecca bandit. it is not common to wear it in iran, turkey, bangladesh, pakistan. britain is a multicultural society. of course, that is why in the private sphere, you are free to wear whatever you want. however, private sphere, you are free to wear whateveryou want. however, because we are a multicultural nation now, the public sphere has to have communality so that all segments of society can feel that they belong. does communality mean everyone has the look the same? this is a simulation, not integration. everyone has the right to express theirfaith, their everyone has the right to express their faith, their sexual orientation, their belief, their views, as long as they don't harm anyone. this is how we live today in anyone. this is how we live today in a multicultural british society. i am not going to accept to be assimilated into the larger society for the sake of value to my identity or my faith. if we are talking about integration, we should create an equal space for everyone to express whatever they want. liz jones, your leader paul nuttall said yes, wear it in the privacy of your own home, but when you are out and about, you would be fine. how would that work? that would be a matter for the police to organise. i understand they have organised in france, where it has been illegal since 2011 to wear the burqa. i don't know how the police would manage that. that would bea police would manage that. that would be a matter for police would manage that. that would be a matterfor them. police would manage that. that would be a matter for them. anti-muslim sentiment has led to an increase in physical, verbal and online attacks previously in britain. do you think the same will happen this time? not at all. there are many muslims in this country who would support a burqa ban. we have had well—known muslims speaking out. salman rushdie has spoken out against it. but would it lead to an increase in attacks? by it lead to an increase in attacks? by banning it? if the face veil was made a criminal offence, or a low—level offence... made a criminal offence, or a low- level offence... what made a criminal offence, or a low-level offence... what do you mean? it would be a par with anti—social behaviour, a previous labour initiative. if it were at that level, i don't see why it would result in more attacks, because people would presumably be obeying the law in which case the faces would be uncovered. how about i speak to you from my experience? after brexit, there was a sharp increase in islamophobic attacks. i am facing so many islamophobic attacks that it has become part of my life because of your irresponsible comments against muslims, alienating them all the time for the sake of getting votes. i will give you an example. i did an interview with the bbc in response to the proposed anti—extremism laws by david cameron and someone passed by, looked fearlessly at the camera and swore at me, you are an f word bummer, because you and the likes of you said that i and —— is a muslim unthreatening society. when people see politicians like you speaking in the media like this, someone in the street had the guts to look at the camera and said, you're an f word bomber. if you are supporting community cohesion, we must reject hate and bigotry. this is what happens in front of camera. you can imagine what happens behind it. someone like me, who is highly educated, working tirelessly to treat cancer patients, is being abused in the street. is that acceptable ? abused in the street. is that acceptable? is it acceptable to discriminate against anyone? acceptable? is it acceptable to discriminate against anyone ?m acceptable? is it acceptable to discriminate against anyone? it is not acceptable. it is a criminal offence. did you report it to the police? of course. what resulted you get? the result that they could prosecute him. there is a gap in the uk law. muslims are not protected equally as the black and jewish community. but that is another discussion. i am saying to you that irresponsible comments by you contribute to demonising muslims. you are a woman contribute to demonising muslims. you are a woman and contribute to demonising muslims. you are a woman and i am a woman was that we should support each other. ifa that we should support each other. if a woman wants to wear a miniskirt, let her wear it. if a woman wants to wear a face veil, let her wear it. an egyptian feminist took the brave step of going into tahfir took the brave step of going into tahrir square, and she removed her face veil in public. that was the launch in egypt of women's rights.|j am going to post you there. thank you, both. these are comments from people watching around the country. rebekah tweets that the ukip debate is embarrassing. it is a blatantly racist attack, no matter how they dress it up. this ukip representative should be ashamed. alexander says, hardly any crimes occur because someone wore a veil. terry says i'm sure there would be better integration if ukip stopped trying to force everyone to be like them. rob — ask the ukip woman if face coverings include edl thugs in balaclavas. well, it depends where they are wearing balaclavas. 0bviously, they are wearing balaclavas. obviously, there would be allowed into a obviously, there would be allowed intoa bank obviously, there would be allowed into a bank or department store. but on the street is fine? it is about being in the public domain. if people find that threatening, it is an issue. so you are not suggesting banning balaclavas in the street?|j would banning balaclavas in the street?” would not suggest putting balaclavas in the manifesto because it is a double situation. we have the security situation, and if that said one life, it would be worth doing. the other situation is the integration situation. do you think it makes it easy for people to integrate with edl thugs wearing balaclavas? well, how many of those are there? i have not seen one on my way to this studio today. i have never seen one in my way to this studio today. i have never seen one in my life, have you? speaking again in about integration, let's talk facts. muslims contribute £30 billion to the british economy. 50% of muslim females or 50% of muslim students generally are in university in comparison to 38% of the general public. this is what i call integration. liz jones, iwanted public. this is what i call integration. liz jones, i wanted to get your reaction to the fact that one of the french presidential candidates going through to the final round is marie led pen. how do you respond to that?” final round is marie led pen. how do you respond to that? i don't know if she is anti—immigration. she wants to have more secure measures within france and that's a matter for her. i don't seek to make any comment about her policies. i'm in britain and i'm concerned for the british public. now i will say... would you rather she won compared to the independent centrist candidate?” rather she won compared to the independent centrist candidate? i am not going to get involved with the french election. that would be impertinent. do you have an opinion? not really. it would be impertinent for me to express. not really, you have entitled to express an opinion? i wouldn't like it if she was to make remarks about the british election. i'm not asking you to tell people who to vote for.” election. i'm not asking you to tell people who to vote for. i prefer marie. she is better looking. thank you very much for your time. coming up: the mp who said femininst zealots really do want to have their cake and eat it will now face the leader of the women's equality party at the ballot box in shipley in yorkshire. we speak to both candidates in the next hour. this is an x—ray of someone with scoliosis — it's where the spine twists and curves to one side. most people can live a normal life with it, but those who need an operation to correct it can end up with very limited movement. it has been brought to wider attention following this stand out moment on britain's got talent. this group came together because i've got scoliosis, so... sorry, what is that? scoliosis is like a curvature of the spine. right. my one's quite rare because it's more common to, like, have an accident and get it but i was born with it. so i have to have surgery soon and after surgery, i won't be able to dance so this is like my last chance because i've always wanted to do it. are you serious? yeah. you've got an amazing attitude. i've got to tell you. thank you. you really have. applause. good luck. thank you so much! cheering and applause. # like a small boat on the ocean # sending big waves into motion # like how a single word can make a heart open # i might only have one match but i can make an explosion # and all those things i didn't say were wrecking balls inside my brain # i will scream them loud tonight, can you hear my voice this time? # this is my fight song # take back my life song # prove i'm all right song # my power‘s turned on # starting right now, i'll be strong # i'll play my fight song # and i don't really care if nobody else believes # ‘cause i've still got a lot of fight left in me # i've still got a lot of fight left in me # cheering and applause. it really touched me, so much so that i'm going to go... cheering and applause. 15—year—old julie carlile is taking part on britain's got talent in the hope of raising nearly £80,000 so she can travel to america and receive another type of surgery which could cure her completely and will allow her to continue to dance. this programme has learnt nhs doctors in england already have the expertise to carry out this operation, known as tethering, but currently patients are not allowed it. let's now talk to 0livia wingrove. she is 18. she was diagnosed aged 15 with scoliosis — the same condition asjulia. sean molloy is a spinal surgeon. his patients include professional dancers and sports stars. hello there molloy. 0livia. tell our audience what it is like living with scoliosis. it's quite hard because you're very restricted on what you can do. like even day—to—day tasks like walking long—distances and carrying a heavy bag is very hard and it strains your back. and if i go to the gym or anything, i can only restrict myself in certain things because i can only move so much. right. is it painful? yeah, it is very painful. but i've learnt to cope with the pain. i need to click my back every now and then as a relief of the pain, but it's if i'm sitting in one position for say half an hour, you need to move otherwise it does become very painful. you we re it does become very painful. you were diagnosed at 15 yes. what triggered it? it is from when i heart had my growth spurt, but they are not 100% sure. when you heart had my growth spurt, but they are not 10096 sure. when you were watching this on britain's got talent on saturday night, what did you think? ijust talent on saturday night, what did you think? i just tried. when talent on saturday night, what did you think? ijust tried. when she came on and explained her situation. ididn't came on and explained her situation. i didn't know anyone with scoliosis would be able to do something like that. and the fact that she is raising awareness and rather successfully so far... yeah. is that helpful to people like yourself with this condition? yes, because not many people know about it. i only met one other person with it. i have written a blog on it to raise awareness because it's like even simon cowell didn't know what it was. no one knows. sean molloy thank you for talking to us. what leads to scoliosis? well, it's a combination really of genetic environmental factors. we don't really know the vast majority scoliosis of adolescent scoliosis and that really means we don't know what the cause is. so we're left with a lot of patients who particularly, females in theirgrowth patients who particularly, females in their growth spurt who get a curvature of their spine and we have to try and do something for them. julia on britain's got talent has to go to america to receive this tethering surgery. what is it and why can't we do it here when surgeons here have the expertise in england? i think one of the simplest things for your audience is many, many years ago, if you had a problem with your hip or knee, you would fuse the hip or knee and that would lead you to have great disability, you couldn't play tennis or squash and what we have been left with in spinal surgery, in scoliosis surgery we still fuse people. the hip replacement and the knee replacement has come along, what we are trying to do is keep people from being fused and therefore they have functional spine. so this is evolutionary in terms of our techniques. so instead of fusing children like we do at moment we are trying to do a thing called tethering which is trying to modulate growth or the type of growth that occurs in the spine as you have seen with the images we have given to you, they were given from jason at george's, you can see there is a lateral curvature of the spine which is what scoliosis is and the tether or the growth that you can see have been put on the long side of the spine or the right—hand side of the spine or the right—hand side of the spine or the right—hand side of the spine as you look at the images and what we're hoping to do is the child as they grow, they will actually grow on the left—hand side of the spine, thereby normalising the actual spine and straightening what you are seeing is three images. 0ne preoperatively with a sizeable curve . 0ne preoperatively with a sizeable curve. the middle image shows you post—operatively, you might look at it and think it hasn't changed much and you would be right in saying it hasn't changed much, but on the right—hand side, 12 months done the line, the curvature has reversed and we have had a cure of the actual scoliosis itself. that's the main aim. are patients not getting that in this country or are they? the most important thing to say is we are cautious in this country like everybody should be because, of course, the data is not complete. we don't know if this treatment is going to be a long—standing treatment for people. it was done first 11 years ago in the united states and there was a case report, but the larger series which are only 20 and 32 patients were published in 2014 and 2015. there have been 20 cases done at st george's hospital in london and also we started a programme here a the royal national orthopaedic hospital, but for the time nhs england want to have a look at this and decide how this treatment maybe commissioned and how the funding stream will be given for these patients. thank you very much, sean. sean molloy who is a spinal surgeon. actually lots of people live with scoliosis very successfully and do not need surgery. the general election will see plenty of new faces in parliament — and other long serving politicians leaving — including former conservative party chairman sir eric pickles who's been in british politics for 25 years, but has announced he won't be seeking re—election in the brentwood and ongar constituency. we can speak to him now in chelmsford. hello to you. hello. why are you leaving?” hello to you. hello. why are you leaving? i have decided that this would be my last parliament and i decide after theresa's shock announcement whether i wanted to do another and i decided that i didn't, i think it is far better to leave when people are wondering why you step down than to hang around and wonder why you're still there are. in the past you have been involved in drafting four conservative manifestoes, clearly, you don't know the specifics of what will be in the next one. i'm in the going to ask you about the specifics of the next manifesto, but let me ask you what you think voters should read into your chancellor and the prime minister repewsing to rule out tax rises if the conservatives do win? i think what we should do as what we have done in prior elections is to wait for the manifesto and all will be there. i understand until the manifesto comes out, people are desperate to look at every nuance of what various people are saying and by and large, it is best to wait for the manifesto to come out. but it is interesting from a voter's point of view that so far given several opportunities both have failed to rule out tax rises? well, they're both conservatives and this is something that i shared in common and the conservative party is committed to reducing taxation. after all, i think, committed to reducing taxation. after all, ithink, we committed to reducing taxation. after all, i think, we have taken vast numbers of people out of paying tax and many people on low pay, i think they are £1,000 better off through the things that we've done. which makes it even more interesting that they haven't chosen to rule tax rises out out yet anyway. let me ask you about something else. the work and pensions secretary said yesterday that a future conservative government would block a rise in energy prices which would cut household bills by £100. do you think that kind of intervention in the market could lead to power shortages? i think that's unlikely, but i can understand why the secretary of state is thinking that. given the various rises that have happened, to use a technical legal term the energy companies have been having a laugh. they have been putting up prices without good reason and i think they deserve what they're going to get. the reason i ask because the then leader of labour, ed miliband, when he said he was going to do something similar you said in response, "power shortages are now a genuine threat." well, that was a couple of years ago. i think we hadn't seen the action of the power companies and i think we can be reasonably assured that under the conservatives that we will be able to deliver a reasonable power bill and we will ensure that power bill and we will ensure that power remains. you worbed for margaret thatcher and you worked for theresa may. what are the differences? i didn't work for margaret thatcher. i knew margaret thatcher. sorry, i should have said that. yeah. yeah, i knew her. it many ways theresa may reminds quite a bit. i have known theresa for 20 odd years and there is more than a passing resemblance but theresa is her own person and just because she isa her own person and just because she is a female prime minister perhaps it isn't that healthy to continually compare her to margaret thatcher who was by any definition a one off. right, thank you very much. thank you for talking to us eric pickles. and he is standing down. let's get the latest weather update with carol. this morning, we have seen some rain and snow. you can see that we have snow falling in aberdeenshire. we have snow showers across eastern scotla nd have snow showers across eastern scotland into the far north—east of england. more cloud will spread south through the course of the afternoon. the wind will also feature. that will be with us tonight, blowing for the showers across northern scotland into northern ireland, parts of wales and eastern england. away from this, it will be a cold night. there will also be frost and the risk of ice on untreated surfaces. but a beautiful start to the day tomorrow in terms of sunshine. still showers at low levels in the north. still that bitingly cold northerly wind. here in there, we could see wintry flurries. if you are exposed to that northerly wind, it will feel much colder than those temperatures are suggesting. welcome to the programme. last night's presidential election in france was historic. voters abandoned the mainstream parties and it was a shock — the result has sent shock waves through the french political system.” result has sent shock waves through the french political system. i mean, it's just a crushing defeat. the french political system. i mean, it'sjust a crushing defeat. the whole french political landscape is being redesigned. also, after seven people were killed in a tram derailment in croydon last year, four drivers tell this programme they fell asleep while operating trams on that line. how many drivers do you think have fallen asleep in the cabin? most drivers have at some point in their careers. we will also hear from those who have given up their lives to look after a family member, as campaigners the last social care must be a priority in the election. it's the most isolating situation anyone could find themselves in. and your mother is the one person you should be able to talk to about that. yes. and... can't any more. good morning. here'sjoanna in the bbc newsroom with a summary of today's news. voters in france have chosen the two candidates who will go through to the final round of the presidential election in two weeks' time. emmanuel macron, who is the leader of a brand new political movement, will take on the anti—immigration far right leader marine le pen. it's the first time in six decades the mainstream parties have not had a candidate in the run—off vote. the two frontrunners addressed supporters as the results came in last night: translation: i want to become the president of all the people of france, the president of the patriots, in the face of the threat from the nationalists. translation: the time has come to get rid of all the arrogant people who wanted to dictate to the population what they should do. i am the candidate for the people. a 21—year—old man's been arrested in manchester in connection with the murder of a former royal navy officer. mike samwell, who was 35, died yesterday after confronting intruders who are thought to have struck him with his own car in chorlton. mr samwell was asleep with his wife and had gone downstairs to investigate loud noises when it's believed he was killed. four drivers say they've fallen asleep while operating trams in croydon, where seven people were killed when a tram derailed last year. an investigation for this programme also found a failure with a safety device, known as "a dead man's handle", that was not reported to the regulator and three incidents of speeding since the crash in november. tram operations ltd, which runs the line, said driverfatigue was monitored and controls were "fully functional". we'll bring you more on that investigation shortly. jeremy corbyn is promising to repeal what he calls "vicious" trade union legislation, brought in by the conservatives, if labour wins the general election. the labour leader will make the pledge today to trade union members in scotland, where his party's trying to claw back support after huge losses in the election two years ago. two men are due to appear in court today, charged in connection with an acid attack at a nightclub in east london on easter monday, which left two people blind in one eye. arthur collins, who's 24 and the boyfriend of the reality tv star, ferne mccann, is facing 14 counts of wounding with intent and one count of throwing corrosive fluid with intent to cause grievous bodily harm. the government will go to the high court to try to delay publishing its strategy for tackling air pollution. today was the deadline for ministers to present their plans, but they claim voting rules mean they can't publish sensitive policies before the general election. campaigners say they're trying to dodge a difficult issue because of nervousness about increasing tax on diesel drivers. tougher punishments for the most serious cases of speeding have come into force in england and wales today. drivers can now be fined one and a half times their weekly wage for the worst offences — that means driving over 50 miles an hour in a 30 zone or 100 miles an hour on a motorway. and a 12—year—old who was trying to drive across the entire breadth of australia has been picked up by police. the boy was pulled over already 800 miles into his journey in broken hill in the new south wales outback on saturday after a patrol noticed the car's bumper dragging on the ground. police believe he'd planned to keep going all the way to perth, which would take another 30 hours. he is now back with his parents. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10.30. do get in touch. your experiences help inform our conversation. we are hearing from many of you who care full—time for a relative. john tweets, i am in the same situation as the brave carer in your film. my wife is 59 and will need 24 hour ca re wife is 59 and will need 24 hour care for the rest of her life. juliette says, my mum can't move, speak or eat. i feed juliette says, my mum can't move, speak or eat. ifeed her through juliette says, my mum can't move, speak or eat. i feed her through a tube in her stomach. she needs 24/7 care. iam tube in her stomach. she needs 24/7 care. i am an unpaid care and keeping my mum alive and it is very hard. tony says, i am a full—time carerfor my hard. tony says, i am a full—time carer for my severely disabled partner, with cerebral palsy. she will never get better. i have been doing it for 25 years. constant interference from the government doesn't help. they should accept that some people will never ever be able to work, so they should stop the harassment. carers save this country billions. i wouldn't change what i do for the world, but the government could make things easier. we will talk more about carers after 10.30. here's some sport now with will. almost 40,000 runners completed the london marathon yesterday. there are a lwa ys london marathon yesterday. there are always so many inspiring stories, but one has generated huge interest. the pictures of runner david wyeth being helped over the line by a fellow competitor, matthew rees, this clip on the bbc sport facebook site alone has been viewed more than 5 million times. david received medical attention after the race. thankfully, he was ok after a big burger, i am told. this morning, the pair were reunited. he was telling me to go on, but i want to make sure he got to the finish line. i didn't wa nt he got to the finish line. i didn't want him to not make the end.” he got to the finish line. i didn't want him to not make the end. i am so want him to not make the end. i am so grateful. you say that others would have stopped, and i am sure you are right, there may have been others, but you persisted. itold you to go and you still didn't. no worries. matthew, who helped david, isa worries. matthew, who helped david, is a member of the swansea harriers running club. it was a great day for the south wales team yesterday. they're one of the south wales team yesterday. they‘ re one of josh the south wales team yesterday. they're one ofjosh griffiths was the first briton home in a time of two hours, 14 minutes and 49 seconds,in two hours, 14 minutes and 49 seconds, in his first marathon. we can speak to him now. where have you been hiding, josh? i am in a hotel by tower bridge. i was supposed to be going home, but my life has taken a bit ofa be going home, but my life has taken a bit of a turn. let's show you some pictures of the start. here, you are good ten metres back from the start. when did it start to click during the race that you were running past olympians and that you had a chance of finishing as the top briton? around halfway, before i knew it, i was in that group. and all of a sudden, i was starting to move away from the group. it didn't hit me until the later stages that that was happening. incredibly, you are self coached, josh. you are studying a masters degree at cardiff metropolitan. what kind of training had you done before this and what we re had you done before this and what were your best times?” had you done before this and what were your best times? i had a coach previously when i was racing on the track, but for the marathon i decided to coach myself. so last month, i did a half marathon in llanelli, where i ran in 65 minutes. and matthew rees from swansea was also second in that race. incredible, the fact that you are now going to the world championships in london in the summer. if that's something you definitely want to do? most certainly. it was not something i had considered before yesterday, but i can't wait to get started with it. that is what you train for. incredible. there are rumours that you jumped on the metropolitan line and the number 63 bus to tower hill. can you deny those? i got to the start with the masses like the rest! it is crazy. congratulations. josh griffiths, heading to the world athletics championships in 2017. we will have more headlines at 10.30. in france, the electorate has given a big two fingers up to the established political parties. for the first time in almost 60 years, neither of the two big parties will be in the final run—off for the presidential election next month. which is basically the equivalent of the conservatives and labour not getting through. the two candidates who are through to the next round couldn't be more different. in one corner is emmanuel macron, a former banker, who's seen as a political outsider, having never run an election campaign before — his new party only started a year ago. he says he wants to create a new kind of politics, breaking down the divisions between the traditional left and right. he's up against marine le pen — leader of the national front, who wants to slash immigration, clamp down on free trade, and bring in a french version of brexit. she's the daughter of france's former national front leaderjean—marie le pen — a convicted racist. let's speak now to karin giannone, who is in paris for us, tell us about the two candidates who are through to the second round run—off on may 7th, and a little bit more about what they stand for. yes, two extremes, particularly in their vision of europe that you mentioned. the whole country is trying to come to terms with this com pletely trying to come to terms with this completely changed political landscape. as you were mentioning, the two main parties are out of the picture completely and the ruling party, the party of the current president francois hollande, only managed 6% iniesta the's election. imagine if that were replicated in the uk. emmanuel macron, the very young centrist candidate at only 39, is the forward—looking globalist who wa nts to is the forward—looking globalist who wants to be in a more federal europe, against marine le pen, who wa nts to europe, against marine le pen, who wants to close france's borders, end immigration and bring in protectionist policies. some are calling this a referendum for france on europe because of those wildly opposing views about the european union. so the next 13 days are going to bea union. so the next 13 days are going to be a critical time. what does the fa ct to be a critical time. what does the fact that these two are through to the final round say about french society? you might expect that at a time of heightened terror threat, with the attack here on thursday near the champs elysees —— might have turned france towards a more additional candidate like francois fillon, who was running for the centre—right. some might have seen him becoming more the choice of the people as they looked to someone who could reassure them and provide experience. that hasn't happened. they have gone for emmanuel macron, the untested, unelected former minister, and marine le pen. that is really being reflected on right now. many people i have been speaking to have said there is an anger in french society. there is also hope reflected in the macron voters. there is this sense that the parties who have been in charge for more than 50 years are not doing what they should be doing, a sense that they should be doing, a sense that the elite are in charge and the ordinary people are being ignored, and that is really coming through in this election. and i believe you have someone with you? yes, let's talk to ann. we were talking about what you can draw from this result about what is going on in french people's minds. why do they opt for outsiders when they could have had the reassurance and security of a candidate who has been in politics for decades? french people wake up with a total new political landscape and they have to share between different proposals of very different candidates. we have 2—2 frances which are divided actually and probably emmanuel macron will have to be more passive with this part of france which is very critical, very protesting, which have a lot of anger, rage. you spoke about rage. it's really the term and so the next two we e ks it's really the term and so the next two weeks will be very interesting to see how the french people, the french voters will adapt with this very french voters will adapt with this very new french voters will adapt with this very new political offer. and the contrast between these two candidates almost seems really a crossroads, people to chose more integration with the eu or a withdrawal from the euro at least, completely. it is a new cliff edge. it will be interesting to british viewers as well. it is interesting because in france we have lost the traditional between left and right. we see europe or non europe. an open society or closed society and also with issue as immigration and terrorism also which arrive at the first position because it concerns a lot of french population. thank you very much. soa very much. so a real contrast in choice now facing the french people. we have had months of relentless campaigning. we've got two more weeks of it now. thank you very much. emmanuel macron described himself as the patriotic choice for france. translation: i want to become the president of the whole people of france, the president of the patriots in the face of the threat represented by nationalists. applause the president able to protect, to transform, and to build up. a president who is able to allow those who are willing to create, innovate, start work, to do it faster, more easily. i want to be a president who is going to support and help the more fragile among us, those who have been upset by life and do that through help, school, work, solidarity. marine le pen said a vote for her was for the survival of france. translation: without forgetting he friends overseas that trusted me and i'm proud of the confidence they ma nifested i'm proud of the confidence they manifested towards me. the time has come to get rid of the arrogant people who want to dictate to the population what they should do. i am the candidate for the people. and it is an appeal to all the sincere patriots wherever they come, whatever their origin, whatever they voted for in the past round, i invite them all tojoin voted for in the past round, i invite them all to join us and to abandon old—fashioned invite them all to join us and to abandon old —fashioned quarrels invite them all to join us and to abandon old—fashioned quarrels and to concentrate on what is the superior interest of our country. that was really essential. marine le pen. four drivers have admitted falling asleep while operating trams in croydon, where seven people were killed after a tram derailed in november 2016. drivers have told this programme a safety device, known as "a dead man's handle", failed to activate and stop their trams. ed thomas has the story. what have drivers been telling you. the drivers been telling you. the drivers come forward to say first of all, they are falling asleep in the cab in charge of a tram and secondly, that they're concerned over this driver safety device. victoria, it is difficult to have sympathy for these drivers, but they say, if they're to go to the company, they are in fear of being sacked. now, the people who operate this tram line, they say driver fatigue is monitored and that these safety devices are fully functional, but this is the story of those drivers and the families of those who died who still want to know what happened. a speeding tram. no emergency braking. the sandylands disaster. here, seven people were killed, over 50 injured. for the first time, we hear from drivers who have fallen asleep on duty, their fears over the on—board safety device. we reveal the trams still going too fast, and five months on, the families waiting for answers. have you fallen asleep? yeah, it's happened to me once in ten years. this croydon tram driver would only speak to us if we protected his identity and changed his voice. how many drivers do you think have fallen asleep in the cab? i would say that most drivers have at some point in their careers. he is admitting what many would consider gross misconduct because of this. it is called the traction brake controller, or tbc, the driving lever that powers the train. inside, the safety device known as the dead man's handle. this driver says when he fell asleep, it did not work. was there an alarm? no. was there any emergency braking? no, none whatsoever. my hand remained on the tbc. that was enough to keep the dead man's handle from being activated. why aren't drivers telling the operators what is going on? if we were to come forward and say, "excuse me, i fell asleep", i think you'd just be dismissed. but we're talking about people's lives, here. the most important people are the passengers. yes, yeah, i couldn't agree more. and this man isn't alone. four drivers have told the bbc they have fallen asleep in the cab. i woke up about ten metres after the tram stop. conrad is one. after 16 years, he retired last year. in 2005, his tram rolled through george street. he was asleep. a person was very fortunate i did not run them over. was there any alarm? no, there was no alarm. was there any emergency braking? no, there wasn't any emergency braking. so no dead man's handle? it didn't kick in? it didn't kick in, as it... as we were advised that it should have done. we have been told of three other incidents where drivers are believed to have been incapacitated. one was a collision with buffers at elmers end. another was a tram driver here at morden road, spotted sleeping in a moving tram by ticket inspectors, who had to wake him up by ringing the cab. send it off to tfl. and then there's this. drivers asked us to watch the footage again. a tram driver who appears to be asleep. there's no alarm, no emergency brakes. is he asleep in the tram? that driver is incapacitated. he is asleep. had that been in another location, that could have been another disaster. the alarm should be sounding at the tram should be stopping. that is what the video should be depicting, but it's not. transport for london is responsible for the line. we asked why the dead man's handle in this video didn't activate. i think you will see that he is in and out of asleep, isn't he? he's coming to and starting to doze and coming to and starting to doze. why was there no alarm? why was there no braking? well, because, if he were to completely pass out, if he were to completely lose consciousness, then he would relax his grip. but it's ok just to slightly doze in a tab like we saw in the clip? no, of course, it's not all right. the company who operates the trams for tfl, tram operations limited, says driverfatigue is monitored and on the driver safety device, says it is satisfied the controls are fully functional. it is important to consider what these driver safety devices are meant to do. designed in part if a driver collapses after a heart attack. but we have found this guidance on the regulator's website, the office of rail and road. it says, "the dsd should be designed so that it cannot be kept in the operating position other than by a vigilant tram driver". drivers have also told us about specific faults with the driver safety device. we have obtained this video of an empty tram, out of service, powering itself. we understand this is an extreme setting and tfl has now rectified the problem on all trams. the spring was obviously broken in the dsd. and the tram just drove itself. this former driver didn't want to be identified. he claims the alarm on the driver safety device first delayed, then completely failed, in may 2016. did you report these concerns? i called the control room. the engineering department knew about it and they said they were aware of it but it's completely safe to carry on. i had to raise my voice over the recorded radio system and say to them if i had a heart attack or became unconscious, this tram will go through the buffers at beckenham junction at 50 miles an hour. only when i said that, they said, "take it out of service straight away". and notjust engineers. this man said other drivers were also aware. some drivers found it worrying but they found it amusing in a way, that you could drive without using your hands. we have also discovered that the safety regulator wasn't made aware of the incident. the office of rail and road told us all dsd failures should be reported to them. they should have pulled the entire fleet in and tested every single tram but they didn't. in a statement, the operators, tram operations limited, said there was not a full failure of the driver safety device. passengers were not at risk and the tram was examined and the fault was rectified the next day. transport for london said despite that fault, the tram was still operating safely. we can also reveal at least three trams have been recorded speeding since the sandilands derailment. one was travelling at 65 kilometres per hour in a 40 zone. another was speeding close to the disaster site itself. the operator told us it had increased speed checks since the sandilands crash. all we know is that this tram was speeding at 43.5. and still waiting for answers, the families of those who died, people like this lady, who lost her husband, phil. my daughters are just devastated. it has changed my life. he did everything for us. he... he was our rock. he took care of everything. everyone that was on that tram that day, it's changed their lives. the others who have managed to walk away are living nightmares. why, why? investigators are trying to answer that question, to piece together a disaster that changed so many lives. astonishing regarding the equipment. astonishing regarding the equipment. asa astonishing regarding the equipment. as a passenger you just want the alarm to activate. you want the handle to work, don't you? that's why it is difficult to have that sympathy for drivers who say they're falling asleep and the wife of somebody who died at sandilands, she speaks for many, when she says, "i just want to know." drivers say take a look at this driver's safety device. it is not working on some occasions when we are in the trams, but the operators are saying it is fit for purpose. it is tested. there is not a problem. the tram drivers should not be falling asleep. thank you very much, ed. ed thomas reporting. if you're watching on bbc two, in a moment you'll be able to watch the world gymnastics championships. to continue watching our programme turn over to the bbc news channel — where coming up in the next half hour. as a campaign calls for making social care a priority in this our top story today — the leader of a brand new french political movement will take on the anti—immigration far right leader marine le pen in the second round of the french presidential elections. emmanuel macron came first in the vote yesterday. he launched his own centrist movement a year ago, taking on the political estsblishment. it's the first time in six decades the mainstream parties have not had a candidate in the run—off vote. we can speak now to two french voters. we have davy rodriguez, a marine le pen supporter. and margaux pech, an emmanuel macron supporter. for our british audience, margaux, i wonder if you could expect why you think monsieur macron would be right for france? oh, yes. emmanuel macron is my candidate and i think last night, we chose the renewal of ideas, of people and a way of doing politics. i think he has a vision and with his project, we are going to rebuild europe. this is really important to us and it is important for your british citizens to understand that we want to be a leader in europe and rebuild this project, because europe has been on hold for ten years now. this is one of the biggest objectives. davy, marine le pen is offering the com plete marine le pen is offering the complete opposite. she wants a referendum an in—out referendum on whether france should continue as a member of the european union, like we had in britain. she wants out of the euro and she wants to close the borders, the polar opposite of what monsieur macron is offering. why do you say marine le pen should be the next president? that is totally true. we have to different models of what france could be in a few years. i think marine le pen is now leading the way to a frexit in order to have our own democracy. that is why we are defending two different ideas. from one side, we have the idea of emmanuel macron and on the other hand you have marine le pen with real renewal. the renewal is not only about people, it is about ideas, and the ideas of emmanuel macron are the same as francois hollande, francois fillon and the other politics in france for 40 years. margaux, how divided would you say french people are?” years. margaux, how divided would you say french people are? i think, yeah, we have some division now in france about europe, for example. but the thing is that emmanuel macron wants to bring this country together with a new way through this century into this open world. now we see with this election that it is the end of traditional parties both on the left and right sides. so now we wa nt on the left and right sides. so now we want to bring new faces to politics. that is what emmanuel macron is doing. i think we have a real vision to bring france to be a leader in our world. so i think with this campaign, focused on education and rebuilding europe, we can bring together french people. we had some attacks on emmanuel macron and people are not realising that his project is the right one. we saw this last night, because he came first in the first round of this presidency. and davy, what chance does marine le pen have of becoming president in reality? my opinion is that she has a chance of winning this election. the voters who elect people, for example, the voters of francois fillon want a cultural division. they want to defend our cultural civilisation and a lot of them are in favour of limiting immigration. then you have the vote rs of immigration. then you have the voters of jean—luc melenchon, immigration. then you have the voters ofjean—luc melenchon, who also want to defend our tensions and economy “— also want to defend our tensions and economy —— they want to defend our pensions. maybe voters from both sides will vote for marine le pen. here, we are defending ideas. we are not only changing faces, we are changing the model. with the rest of the news, here'sjoanna in the bbc newsroom. a 21—year—old man's been arrested in manchester in connection with the murder of a former royal navy officer. mike samwell, who was 35, died yesterday after confronting intruders who are thought to have struck him with his own car in chorlton. mr samwell was asleep with his wife and had gone downstairs to investigate loud noises when it's believed he was killed. detective superintendent john chadwick is from manchester police. this could have happened to anybody. you hear a noise downstairs and you go and see what it is. it is incredibly tragic. any information, we need to hear it. two men are due to appear in court today, charged in connection with an acid attack at a nightclub in east london on easter monday, which left two people blind in one eye. arthur collins, who's 24 and the boyfriend of the reality tv star, ferne mccann, is facing 14 counts of wounding with intent and one count of throwing corrosive fluid with intent to cause grievous bodily harm. the government will go to the high court to try to delay publishing its strategy for tackling air pollution. today was the deadline for ministers to present their plans, but they claim voting rules mean they can't publish sensitive policies before the general election. campaigners say they're trying to dodge a difficult issue because of nervousness about increasing tax on diesel drivers. tougher punishments for the most serious cases of speeding have come into force in england and wales today. drivers can now be fined one and a half times their weekly wage for the worst offences — that means driving over 50 miles an hour in a 30 zone or 100 miles an hour on a motorway. that's a summary of the latest news, join me for bbc newsroom live at 11am. and some sport now. arsenal's aaron ramsey says his team want to win the fa cup for arsene wenger, who's out of contract at the the club in the summer. it'll be an all london final between arsenal and chelsea next month at wembley. they did it the hard way, coming from behind to take the tie into extra time before alexis sanchez scrambled in a winner against manchester city. n'golo kante has won the professional footballers' association player of the year award. tottenham's dele alli won the young player prize for the second successive year. 500 goals now for lionel messi in a barcelona shirt. his side blew the la liga title race wide open with a dramatic 3—2 victory in el clasico at real madrid. messi scored the winner with 12 seconds of stoppage time remaining and a club runner with swansea harriers stunned britain's elite men at the london marathon to qualify for the 2017 world championships in london. josh griffiths, who's 23, finished in two hours, 14 minutes amd 49 seconds on his marathon debut. more sport on the bbc news channel throughout the afternoon. he isa throughout the afternoon. he is a conservative mp who tried to derail legislation to protect women against violence. she is the leader ofa against violence. she is the leader of a new party which campaigns on gender equality. now they are going head to head in the general election. sophie walker says she will stand against philip davies in his seat of shipley. what is it about this man that makes you cross enough to stand against him? iam standing i am standing for election in shipley because i want to protect jobs and pensions. but what is it about philip davies that means you have gone to shipley? philip davies has made the privilege of a local mp'sjob into has made the privilege of a local mp's job into his has made the privilege of a local mp'sjob into his own personal national platform to espouse anti—women views. i am running national platform to espouse anti—women views. iam running in shipley because there are a lot of people in shipley who are fed up with that job being people in shipley who are fed up with thatjob being used to do that instead of the work for opportunities for all of the constituents. i want to work for everybody and i want to balance the way we do that. we are notjust investing in physical infrastructure like roads and bridges, but we are also investing in social infrastructure jobs. are you abusing the privilege of being a constituency mp to campaign against women? no, well, i've challenged sophie on a number of occasions to give one quote — i've been an mp for 12 years — one quote from anything i've said publicly, it's all on the record, where i've asked for women to be treated less favourably than men. and there isn't one. hang on, give me the opportunity. let's give sophie walker the opportunity. well, setting aside the fact that philip consistently frames feminists as extremists rather than campaigners for justice, you have to look at his actions, which are that he attempted to talk out a bill to protect survivors of violence. he took time out of his constituency work to give a speech to a conference organised by an outfit called justice for men and boys, whose website promotes articles like one entitled 13 reasons women lie about rape. he also talked down a bill which would have provided free hospital parking for carers. he has written to the equality and human rights commission, asking why it is offensive for people to wear blackface. so it is your actions that sophie is... well, at least we've clarified it's nothing i've actually said that has ever asked for women to be treated less favourably than men. all i have ever asked for, the speeches that sophie has taken great exception to, were ones where i have actually asked that men and women are treated exactly the same. that if you go before the court, your gender should be irrelevant. men and women should be treated the same. but you did campaign against the combating violence against women bill. yes, and i made it clear... a bill that would protect women? yes, exactly, and on the basis that i thought the bill should apply equally to male and female victims of violence. 0k, is that not fair enough, the bill should apply equally to men and women? there is a very specific clause in that bill that recognises that men and women experience violence against them differently, according to their gender. it actually makes provision for sufficient funding and protection of specialist services. now, our party has got very specific policies to protect funding to specialist services, for example, services for men who experience domestic violence. whereas philip's party is cutting funding to those very important services and making it less likely that many in those positions will actually get the support they need. i would have much more support and understanding for what philip is saying if he could back it up with positive examples of positive, constructive legislation that he has presented, rather than this very negative demolishment that we consistently see. well, i mean, the clue was in the bill. it was combating violence against women. it's no good trying to rewrite history and say that this bill was about men as well. it wasn't. the clause gave ample... it was about combating violence... it was called the combating violence aginst women bill. my view was, and i made it perfectly clear that i would have happily supported the bill if it applied to men and women equally, if you are a victim of crime, it should not matter what your gender is. why didn't you introduce the combating violence against men bill, if it was such a massive issue? well, it is private members' bills, done by ballot. you can'tjust come along with your private members' bill. it is done by... but you could suggest it? idid. in my speech on the bill, i said, let's bring forward a bill, we could have amended the bill to say, let's have it for men and women equally. and so, surely the women's equality party, if they believe in equality, should be supporting my stance on saying that we should treat men and women equally? but the outcome of your actions means that you ended up campaigning against a bill which would protect women. well, it was not going to protect any women. i've made clear in my speech... that is simply not true. it will not do one thing to protect a woman. i've argued that what we should do is actually have the men who commit domestic violence serve the whole sentence they are given in prison, not let them out halfway through even if they are still a danger. that would be much more useful to victims of violence, and let me give you another illustration. one thing i campaign on and i helped baroness cox, who is a crossbench human rights peer, about sharia councils, which terribly discriminate against women. i went to a meeting that baroness cox organised where three very brave women actually gave their testimonies as to how badly they have been treated at sharia councils. i campaigned to end sharia councils... so those are actions... the women's equality party have nothing to say on sharia councils. well, hang on a minute... these are actions that would suggest that philip davies is not anti—women, for example? ok, so on sharia specifically, we have been very clear at the women's equality party that we think there is one form of law in britain, and that is british law. sure, but i'm asking you about his actions when it comes to some of these campaigns. but i think it is contradictory to say that you are supporting the discriminatory, rather, you're combating the discriminatory actions of sharia councils and yet voting against a law, the bill we have been talking about, which has specific provisions in it to provide for survivors of honour—based violence and forced marriage. so on the one hand, he is saying one thing, and on the other, he's doing completely the opposite. ok, only for one gender. that bill was only about one particular gender. clause 2.2 specifically referred to the different kinds of violence. it was called the combating violence against women bill. that is what it was called. if what you wanted to do was change the title, then why didn't you just focus on that? i did try and focus on that, but no one was interested in changing the title. all of these things should apply equally to men and women. that is all i have ever argued for, whether it is sharia councils, which discriminate against women, or this legislation, which discriminates against men. i will campaign for equality, irrespective of people's gender. great, we have some... final thought, are you a feminist? it depends on what you mean by a feminist. tell me what you think feminism is. if feminism is about gender equality, then yes, i would support feminism but what my point is, that what we are getting with feminism at the moment is that they want to campaign on areas where women are disadvantaged, perfectly reasonably, and i will support them in that. but they don't want to say anything where men are disadvantaged and as far as i'm concerned, we should be equally concerned about both. are you a feminist? if the definition is that it's about gender equality, then yes i am. well, it's about the advocacy of women's rights. well, if it's about equality, i'm interested in equality. that's what i think, that men and women should be treated... the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of the equality of the sexes. yes, i agree with the quality of the sexes. you're a feminist? well, on that definition, yes, of course i am. he's a feminist. i'm delighted that 24 hours after i entered this race, philip davies is declaring himself a feminist. i have always said that. and you'll be able to find a full list of the candidates standing in shipley on the bbc website once the other parties have announced. police in manchester have arrested a 21—year—old man in connection with the murder of a former royal navy officer at his home in the chorlton area. we can speak to correspondent dave guest, who is there. tell us what you know about happened to mike samwell. well, it was the early hours of yesterday morning that mike, who was 35, awoke to a loud banging noise. he went to investigate and a short time later he was found with severe injuries in this parking area beyond the tapes down there. now, it appears that someone had been attempting to steal his audi car and had run over him in that car causing him serious injuries from which he sadly died. now, of course, this is a quiet residential street. it was the early hours of the morning. it is everybody‘s worst nightmare what happened to this man and his family are ina happened to this man and his family are in a deep state of shock. and that's the reaction of people who live locally as well? that's right, yes. yesterday around 50 people took pa rt yes. yesterday around 50 people took part ina yes. yesterday around 50 people took part in a vigil. they walked from a local church and came to the street here and laid flowers with messages of sympathy for mike and his family at the corner of the road here. people have been shocked by what's happened. this is a cliche to say, it isa happened. this is a cliche to say, it is a quiet residential area. it isa it is a quiet residential area. it is a reasonably well healed area. the black audi was found in a street not far from the black audi was found in a street not farfrom here, the black audi was found in a street not far from here, it has the black audi was found in a street not farfrom here, it has been the black audi was found in a street not far from here, it has been the subject of forensic investigation as has the parking area behind the house where mike lived. police have described this, i think, as more than criminal? yes, yesterday they we re than criminal? yes, yesterday they were really trying to appeal to the criminal fraternity to say look there is a line that's been crossed here. a man woken from his bed, in the early hours of the morning, goes downstairs as anybody might do to see what is happening and ends up deadin see what is happening and ends up dead in the most terrible of circumstances. the police officer in charge of this case has said that basically the advice to people is if you hear a noise downstairs, you shouldn't really go and investigate, you should stay upstairs and barricade yourself into your bedroom and dial 999, but the investigating officer said he could understand why somebody like mike would want to go and investigate halfs going on. mike, as we say, a retired naval officer who was working for a company, an engineering company in warrington and his colleagues there are shocked. the police investigation into this crime is still very much on going. the 21—year—old man arrested on suspicion of murder continuing to be questioned this morning. dave guest, reporting live from manchester, thank you. several charities have told this programme they want social care to be a top election issue over the next few weeks. this morning we've been hearing from those of you who care full time for relatives. rory says he has been a full—time carerfor rory says he has been a full—time carer for the last 20 years. i carer for the last 20 years. "my carer for the last 20 years. , "my day consists of her caring for her 24/7. i don't go out. i haven't had a holiday in decades. i have no life of my own. i'm 48 years of abling andi life of my own. i'm 48 years of abling and i spend every spare minute sitting obthe sofa looking out of the window watching the world go by. i'm wishing i would die quickly instead of this long drawn out death of boredom and loneliness." heather says, "i care for my mum. i'm permanently tired. i have low self esteem. i have lost friends and a relationship is out of the question. i have realised that i cannot go on as i'm becoming ill. i don't eat. i can't sleep. i've done this for five years with no thanks and a whole load of stress. someone else can have a go rather than criticise me." dave, "i did thisjob for my mum for five years. it destroys your life. even though you try your best to do a job that no one else wants to do. there is no real help out there as the care stel seems to be broken beyond repair. i really thought it was just me who was going through this. so i started recording and videoing most phone calls and visits. most phone calls, but i was still alone. i'm trying to get a carer to come and help, trying to get anyone to help you is impossible from adult social services, the nhs, to charities." our reporterjames longman met suejenkins who's effectively given up her life to care for her mother patricia, who is 88 and needs round the clock care. she has dementia, is doubly incontinent and uses a wheelchair. we played you the full report earlier — here's a short extract. it's 2.20am in the morning. it's been a very, very tiring day. i'll hoist her into bed now. let's get mummy changed before she has a massive meltdown. sue. she has a lot of changing behaviour, screaming, hitting out. does she do that a lot? yes, she does, and that can't be helped. it's part of that illness. it's heartbreaking, and it can make you feel useless and that can make you want to run for the hills and just run into the night. i have given up my life, yes. i used to sail a lot. i used to do so many things. i'm a very outgoing person. but i take care of my mother, and that's it. i've lost my best friend. she's there, somewhere inside. but... you know, the person i dearly love and dearly want to talk to about so many things has left me already. and the thought of losing her fills me with complete dread, because my life is very much here. we can speak to margaret dangoor who has been a carerfor her husband eddie who has alzheimer's for the last ten years. kate white, whose husband john also has alzheimer's. she's been his carer since he was diagnosed eight years ago. rob burley from the alzheimer's society — one the charities calling for social care to be a key issue of the general election campaign. welcome all of you. thank you very much for coming on the programme. presumably margaret and kate you can relate to much of what sue was saying? yes, it's heart-rending really to see that sort of situation. it's different for all of us. every carer is different and every person with dementia is different, but this sort of situation is not unusual. what about you, kate? yes, iwould situation is not unusual. what about you, kate? yes, i would agree with margaret. i think it takes such a toll on people's lives and often they don't know about the kind of support and care that might be there, but what is there is being reduced all the time and i think as margaret was saying everybody both the person with the condition and theircarerare the person with the condition and their carer are different. the person with the condition and their carerare different. so the person with the condition and their carer are different. so the scenario is some, that we're familiar with, but there are different scenarios as well. tell us, tell our audience about the impact on you of caring for your husband? mine is different. ithink in comparison with the situation on film. my husband has always been content within his dementia. so... co nte nt ? content within his dementia. so... content? yes. he has settled into the process if you like comfortably and as long as he is cared for well, and as long as he is cared for well, and he is in the right surroundings, that makes my caring role a lot easier and also in comparison with the film, we are very fortunate that we have a specialist dementia centre in our locality and he has been going there for many years since 2008. these centres are not fashionable, but for some people, to me, i don't think pedestrian would be alive today, he is in the very advanced stage, if he didn't have the stimulation of going to that seb ter. other people to mix with and the activities that he's involved with, it really sort of lifts hill up. yes. kate, the i will pact on you of looking after your husband?” think i relate to the exhaustion because i think it is a full—on 24/7 and there are three eight hour shifts a day. wow. when you put it like that. do you mind me asking how old you are? i'm 6. how old is your husband? he's 83. he's not inned advanced stages of margaret or the person on the film. he's active and he's out and about and doing thicks, but he has to have somebody with him all the tilement he gets very anxious and i see that as his need for attachment and safety that emotionally he needs somebody to help him see where he is in the world because he gets disorientated. yes. let me bring in rob. when kate puts it like that, it is three eight hour shifts effective by every day? by hour shifts effective by every day? by the end of the next parliament there will be one million people living with dementia, it is time the next government steps up to that challenge of the at zileers society is launching a united against alzheimer's campaign and that's calling for everybody to understand alzheimer's better and take action to solve the what does that problem. mean? fixing a system that isn't working for people with dimecsia. dementia crisis is a social care crisis. 60% of people use home care service. what's that? someone will support someone with dementia and support someone with dementia and support a carer. why doesn't eve ryo ne support a carer. why doesn't everyone get home care if they are looking after a relative with dimecsia? there isn't enough funding in the system and what we heard from margaret and kate, there is a postcode lottery and another challenge we want the next government to fix is how complex the syste m government to fix is how complex the system is. so having someone to good families and people with dementia through the process would be essential because we were talking in the green room and margaret and kate had it teach their carers some of the things about the system because they understand it, but not everyone is in that position. ok. so be really cleared what you want parties to offer. it is more money to pay for home carers to go in, to give respite to peel like margaret and kate and sue on our film respite to peel like margaret and kate and sue on ourfilm and more services like the dementia centre that you referenced margaret? better training as well. only one in three home care workers has any dementia training. do you have a figure of how much more money political parties should be promising in their ma nifestos parties should be promising in their manifestos to put into social care? well, the cost of care for dementia £17 billion is falling on people with dementia themselves. £17 billion a year? that's right. that's falling on carers and their families exactly right. £17 million. how have you got to that figure? the cost to the uk is over £26 billion and £17 billion falls on people themselves in terms of the care they have to providement if you get a 15 minute ca re providement if you get a 15 minute care visit a day, the rest of the day, i think, care visit a day, the rest of the day, ithink, the point about care visit a day, the rest of the day, i think, the point about the three eight hour shifts. there is no party going to be suggesting £17 billion a year so, what are you saying? the key thing is better training for staff involved, support through the system, as soon as someone is diagnosed with dementia, being told what the system is and how they can navigate the system. how much would that cost? that's essential. we want to work with whoever is next in power to put people with dementia at the heart of the debate and listen to people like margaret and kate and sue on the film. it is a huge issue, isn't it? yes. that you have, rob. margaret, thank you very much for coming in. we wish you all the best. kate, thank you very much as well. thank you very much. last month 21—year—old james casling moved so many of you to tears when he told us that football saved his life. since that interview we've taken him to train with qpr 5 first team and you can find out how we gets on on the programme tomorrow. i would like to thank the many of you who have got this touch today to tell us that you are a carer. i have read so many of your comments. let me read this from a viewer, "these ca re rs me read this from a viewer, "these carers are real heroes who save the government billions every year and yet have their own lives turned up side down." thank you for your company today. we're back tomorrow at 9am. have a good day. bold bottom hello. good morning to you. yes, that's a wintry mix and it is on its way to many of us. it is shy of the edinburgh area at the moment, but it is there to be had across aberdeenshirement you're tied up across aberdeenshirement you're tied up with a vicious little feature which will spread the prospect of rain, sleet and snow across eastern scotla nd rain, sleet and snow across eastern scotland on its way through the borders. that line of cloud and rain is the demarcation between the mild airs in the south and the fresher feel further north and that's putting it very, very delicately indeed. a really raw feel to the afternoon, two, three, four celsius with the snow beginning to lie in some areasment further south, some cloud and rab, but it won't help to top up the ground water levels and once that front is away, we are all infora once that front is away, we are all in for a really cold night with lying snow piling up across northern and eastern parts of scotland and a raw, raw feel to the new day on tuesday across the country, even if you see sunshine, but those showers will be really wintry across many parts. take carement bye—bye. this is bbc news. i'm karin giannone live in paris. a historic moment for french politics — a rejection of the mainstream parties that have governed for over six decades in the first round of the presidential election political newcomer and former banker emmanuel macron will face far—right leader marine le pen in the run—off on may 7th. i won to become the president of all the people of france, the president of the patriots, in the face of the threat from the nationalists. at the time has come to get rid of all of the error people who want to dictate to the people what they should do. i am the candidate for the people. i'mjoanna gosling...in other news:

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strips the person of their personality. and as ukip call for a ban on full face veils — one woman who wears a niqab tells us it will lead to a rise in attacks on muslim women. hello. welcome to the programme, throughout the programme, the latest breaking news and developing stories — and as always, really keen to hear from you. a little later, we'll be talking about scoliosis. if you were watching britain's got talent on saturday night, you will have seenjulie, the dancer in the middle, talking about her curvature of the spine. that is what scoliosis is. as a result of discussing that on prime—time telly on a saturday night, people are learning about it sometimes for the first time. if you're affected by scolosis, do get in touch this morning — use the hashtag victoria live. if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. our top story today... voters in france have chosen the two candidates who will go through to the final round of the presidential election in two weeks' time. they are the independent centrist, emmanuel macron, and the leader of the far—right national front, marine le pen. it's the first time in six decades that neither of france's main left—wing or right—wing parties has had a candidate in the run—off to replace francois hollande as french leader. our europe correspondent, james reynolds has more. emmanuel macron is france's newcomer, and now the winner of this election‘s first round. he is an insider who's run as an outsider. the 39—year—old is a pro—eu, pro—business centrist. he resigned as a minister in order to form his own political movement. and his gamble has paid off. translation: i hope that in a fortnight, i will become your president. cheering. his supporters believe that the rest of the country will now rally around him. this is emmanuel macron‘s first election. the french people still hardly know him. he is now the favourite to become this country's next president. marine le pen, the front national leader, will fight emmanuel macron in the final round. she won more votes than the party has ever won before. it matches her father jean—marie's achievement 15 years ago in reaching a presidential run—off. translation: the french people must take this historic opportunity, because the biggest issue is the globalisation that's putting our civilisation in danger. in bastille square in paris, some left—wing protesters faced off against the police. these demonstrators were angered by the results of this vote. they, and the rest of the country, will have their final say in two weeks' time. james reynolds, bbc news, paris. hugh schofield joins us from paris. these two finalists are offering com pletely these two finalists are offering completely opposite visions of france in the future? they are indeed. and what is interesting in all of this is how the old left right divide in french politics has completely been swept aside by this vote. it is a process which is arguably happening in other countries as well, but here it is very stark. the old parties, the republicans on the right and the socialists who have dominated politics for 60 years have been com pletely politics for 60 years have been completely clipped by this new divide which, as you say, is between the global and the national. marine le pen is clearly articulating the view of the victims or those who have not benefited from globalisation, the old white working class, who want more protection and a return to national borders and are very much opposed to the globalised europe which has become the norm. and then emmanuel macron, who alone of all the candidates yesterday has taken up the cudgels for europe in saying yes, it needs to be changed and reformed, but let's not throw out the baby with the bath water. let's keep something that is precious to us and will be necessary for future prosperity. precious to us and will be necessary forfuture prosperity. so we precious to us and will be necessary for future prosperity. so we do have a very divided country. although emmanuel macron has emerged as the surprise winner yesterday and must be regarded as the favourite, if he does become president, he will have to rule a country in which this dividing line between haves and have—nots, or beneficiaries and sufferers from the system, will be very stark indeed. joanna is in the bbc newsroom, with a summary of the rest of the day's news. a man's been arrested in connection with the murder of a former royal navy officer thought to have been run over by his own car. it's thought michael samwell — who was 35 — was killed when he confronted thieves outside his home in chorlton in the early hours of sunday morning. simon clemison reports. how did a disturbance at a house in the early hours end in a murder investigation? michael samwell and his wife were woken up by a loud noise, and the former royal naval 0fficer went downstairs to have a look. the exact sequence of events that followed is not clear, but outside, now cordoned off, the 35—year—old was run over as his car was stolen. he was taken to hospital, where he later died of his injuries. the vehicle was found abandoned a few miles away. this could have happened to anyone. you hear a noise downstairs and you go and see what it is. it's incredibly tragic that he has lost his life. this is described as a quiet corner of manchester. and gathered in silence, people came to pay their respects, laying flowers at the scene. i work at nights, so i walk home. it will be a bit different here now. i am a bit shaken up because obviously, it is close to my house. it is just scary. one theory is they did break in simply to get their hands on the car. if that is the case, it's led to a far more serious enquiry. simon cleminson, bbc news. four drivers have admitted falling asleep while operating trams in croydon, where seven people were killed when a tram derailed last year. a investigation for the victoria derbyshire programme has also discovered a failure with a safety device, known as "a dead man's handle", that was not reported to the regulator, and three incidents of speeding since the crash in november. tram 0perations ltd, which runs the line, said driverfatigue was monitored and controls were "fully functional". jeremy corbyn is promising to repeal what he calls "vicious" trade union legislation brought in by the conservatives if labour wins the general election. the labour leader is making his first campaign visit to scotland today, where his party is trying to claw back support after huge losses in the election two years ago. two men are due to appear in court today, charged in connection with an acid attack at a nightclub in east london on easter monday, which left two people blind in one eye. arthur collins, who's 2a and the boyfriend of the reality tv star, ferne mccann, is facing 14 counts of wounding with intent and one count of throwing corrosive fluid with intent to cause grievous bodily harm. the government will go to the high court to try to delay publishing its strategy for tackling air pollution. today was the deadline for ministers to present their plans, but they claim voting rules mean they can't publish sensitive policies before the general election. campaigners say they're trying to dodge a difficult issue. tougher punishments for the most serious cases of speeding have come into force in england and wales today. drivers can now be fined one and a half times their weekly wage for the worst offences — that means driving over 50 miles an hour in a 30 zone or 100 miles an hour on a motorway. and a 12—year—old who was trying to drive across the entire breadth of australia has been picked up by police. the boy was pulled over already 800 miles into his journey in broken hill in the new south wales outback on saturday after a patrol noticed the car's bumper dragging on the ground. police believe he'd planned to keep going all the way to perth, which would take another 30 hours. he is now back with his parents. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 9.30. thank you for your comments about being carers. brian says, i gave up my business to care for my mum, who has alzheimer's. i didn't want to go into a care home. jamie says as a carer, you learn to shut yourself down and work 2a hours a day. chris says i was an unpaid care for my dad until he died two years ago. unpaid carers have been saving the care system ‘s fortunes for years. the saving from my family must be in six figures. and leanne says your report looks heartbreaking. well done, soon. that is the woman we feature in ourfilm in the next soon. that is the woman we feature in our film in the next few minutes. you are doing well and it is ok to feel like running. if you are a carerfor feel like running. if you are a carer for a relative, get feel like running. if you are a carerfor a relative, get in feel like running. if you are a carer for a relative, get in touch and tell us what it is like. use the hashtag victoria live and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. let's get some sport now with will it is going to be arsenal against chelsea in the fa cup final. has the pressure eased on arsene wenger? probably not. arsenal fans are celebrating, but many are divided on whether they want arsene wenger to carry on as manager. he is out of contract in the summer, but the big win for contract in the summer, but the big winfor him contract in the summer, but the big win for him in wembley. sergio aguero gave city the lead at wembley before nacho monreal equalised for arsenal, drilling at the far post from 0xlade—chamberlain's cross, and thenit from 0xlade—chamberlain's cross, and then it went into extra time. 1—1 after 90 minutes. this was alexi scrambling in a winner to book arsenal and fa cup final day with chelsea. hugely significant for both managers. arsene wenger, it is not often we have seen him smile this season. seventh in the premier league, with so much speculated about his future, but he is on to win the fa cup for the seventh time. not so good for this man, pep guardiola. he will end this season without a trophy, the first time in his coaching career that he has done that. we expected special things. the former barca and bayern munich boss, no trophy for him and they have the manchester derby on thursday as well. barcelona's lionel messi cannot stop scoring. what a game last night. it was a sensational game. he is a freak of nature, no other way to describe lionel messi. let's look at the goals from last night. barcelona we re goals from last night. barcelona were trailing i—0 goals from last night. barcelona were trailing 1—0 at the bernabeu, on enemy territory. this was him levelling up to make it 1—1. it then went to 2—2 with sergio ramos sent off for the home side. cue an incredible last 15 minutes. that was lionel messi, sticking away his 500th goal! he's still only 29. a casual 47 goals for this season and more importantly for barcelona, they lea pfrog more importantly for barcelona, they leapfrog real madrid at the top of the la liga title race, which blows it wide open. and from the london marathon yesterday, so many amazing stories, but it was quite a day for the swansea harriers running club. it was. look at these pictures. 5 million of you watched this. this is david wyatt. you may have seen his brother present the sport on this programme. he was struggling to reach the finishing line. his hero on the left, matthew rees, came to help him. dave was on for a two—hour 38 finish, and a starting time. he still managed it in under three hours. i have played football with dave before and seen him doing better than that. i texted him last time. he said he has had a big burger and is feeling much better. he was on bbc breakfast this morning and is holding his own press conference, very presidential! but it is great for swansea harriers. another great story from yesterday singer that this is josh another great story from yesterday singer that this isjosh griffiths, 23 years old. two hours and iii minutes and 5a seconds. he is going to qualify for the world championships. we will hopefully hear from championships. we will hopefully hearfrom him at ten championships. we will hopefully hear from him at ten o'clock. i have texted him to see if he will come and have a chat. i don't know how anybody wants a marathon! amazing if anyone —— for anyone who got to the end. as the country faces a care crisis, several charities have told this programme they want social care to be a top priority in the election campaign. alzheimer's society, independent age and uk homecare association are calling for political parties to feature the issue high up on their manifestos, with betterfunding a key area they want the next government to focus on. the government says it's investing an extra £2 billion in social care, but critics say this isn't enough. this morning, we're going to bring you an insight into caring for a relative. suejenkins says she's basically given up her life to care for her mother patricia, who is 88 and needs round the clock care. she has dementia, is doubly incontinent and uses a wheelchair. 0ur reporterjames longman has been to meet her. it's ok. it's all right. i'll stop now. i said stop. what's it like to spend your life looking after someone else? to sometimes not sleep, not eat, not really have much of a life at all? i have given up my life. give up those things. you'll give up anything. we spent 2a hours with 88—year—old patricia jenkins and her daughter sue who is her full—time carer. she had funding to keep her mum at home stopped twice by the authorities, but she is battling on. it's 8am and sue is getting patricia ready for the day. patricia suffers from alzheimer's and is also disabled. she is doubly incontinent and wheelchair bound. she requires around the clock care. whilst sue does have carers to assist her at different times, her life is wholly dedicated to looking after her mother. we'll get mummy changed. sue. she has a lot of challenging behaviour, screaming, hitting out... does she do that a lot? yes, she does. that can't be helped. that's part of that illness and it strips the person of the personality that they really are. i've lost my friend. my best friend. what is it like for you, for your mum to hit you, while you're trying to care for her? the stress on you must be pretty intense. yes, it's heartbreaking and it can make you feel useless. as she is saying that you are and it can make you quantity as she is saying that you are and it can make you want to run for the hills and just run into the night and there have been many occasions where ijust wanted to run off thinking i was a useless carer. patricia can't spend more than a couple of hours away from her daughter before she becomes too distressed. people watching mightjust sort of think, you've given up your life. is that fair? i have given up my life, yes. i used to sail a lot. i used to do so many things. very outward going person, but i take care of my mother and that's it. is that her screaming? yes. do you want to go? yes, is that 0k? sorry. ifeel like i'm constantly dropping you. even speaking to us was difficult. ok. all right mummy. do you want to come in? it has been like this for two years. you do want to come in? sue has one or two carers at various times in the week, although they're not full—time. but even so, her mother constantly calls for her. what do you want to do? see you in a moment, 0k? all right. bye. it's clear that sue is finding the going tough. it's horrible to see her so distressed like that. she doesn't want to come back in half the time. you've got a carer here, but it is up and down, up and down, isn't it? yes. people watching this might sort of say is it not time for her to go into a home? never. and the government want to encourage people to stay in their own homes and nurse people in their own homes and say there is support out there for carers that there is, but there isn't. it's the most isolating situation anyone could find themselves in. and your mother i suppose is the one person you should be able to talk to about that? yes, and i can't anymore. i've lost my best friend. she's there... somewhere inside, but you know, the person i dearly love and dearly want to talk to about so many things has left me already and the thought of losing her fills me with complete dread because my life is very much her. sue. do you want to go? she is shouting for you again. it's ok. sue. sweetheart, can you just give us a little bit of quiet for a minute? i need changed. all right, we'll get you changedment all right. ok. all right. i promise. it's 2.20am. it's time for bed. we gave sue a camera to show us what it's like overnight. she has been highly agitated all evening and to the point where we had to go for a walk around midnight. the nights are when things can get really bad. patricia will ask to go for walks. her skin needs to be prepared for the cold air. we tried to speak to patricia, but she becomes very agitated with people she doesn't know and that wasn't possible. 0k, we're getting you out, don't worry about it. sue sometimes goes without sleep altogether. tonight pains in her abdomen have kept patricia awake. i'm feeling really tired. it has been a very, very tiring day. and ijust hope that she sleeps now. so we get on and hoist her into bed now. a brief moment to say good night. it has just gone 3am. we've managed to settle mummy in bed. but she's still a little bit restless. i feel really cold. i've been on the go now all day with a pretty bad day. lots of agitation. mother in quite a state and anyway, i'm going to go and get another hot—water bottle and see if i can get some sleep before she will need changing again. it's early morning and the routine starts again. what's been the plan this morning? what have you been having to do? well, at about 6.30am, 7am. we tried to change her because she was incontinent which she has been through the night, but we couldn't roll her and turn her at all, she was quite aggressive and was clenching. so we couldn't actually move her physically. she was resisting and then grabbing hold of us both and so unfortunately because of that, because she has been to the toilet it then spread and we've really been trying to clean her up and it has been a big clean up operation this morning. i think she is calling for you. yes. being here, you really get a sense of what being a carer is like and i meanjust on a couple hours sleep, sue is up every morning looking after her mother, yes, she has carers here, but she almost has to manage them as well and this is her whole life. i mean, just looking after her mum and it has been like this for two years. i'm cleaning her. it costs over £2,500 a week to keep patricia at home. paid for by local care services. but sue says they have twice tried to stop that funding in order to force her to put patricia in a home. she says she feels constantly hounded by authorities and has been taken to court over payments she says she isn't liable for. it has been absolutely devastating. the hours that have been stolen from me over this court case where i have had to e—mail after e—mail after e—mail and chase and phone, it has taken hours away, hours that belong to my mother and i. six years ago, sue's husband left her when she decided to look after her mum full—time. are you lonely? i have good friends, but the friends that don't understand go by the wayside and you find that having any kind of relationship in my situation is very difficult too and that can be quite heartbreaking. it would take a very understanding man to understand my situation. every so often sue takes her mother on days out. they can't go too far, but today it's a trip to the sea. that's for us to drink because we haven't had any lunch yet. we need to stop and get some lunch. do you want me to see if i can put some music on? music. it is worth it. there are those beautiful tender moments, the occasional little laugh, not often these days. oh, i like the moves! i like the moves! i think people watching this and seeing what you go through will ask themselves well, when does this stop, what happens when it is too much, when you can't see any enjoyment anymore, when maybe you can't look after her anymore? have you thought about that? do you even talk about that with her? i don't talk about it with her. it is unimaginable that i would never look after. i get the sense of a carer that's related to the person they're caring for, you might be better equipped to look after them, but then are you really ready to let go? no, not really if i'm honest. i don't even want to think about it. you can see the bond between sue and her mother and you can see those glimpses of the woman patricia clearly was of the there is a lot of love there, but this whole situation had a big emotional impact particularly on sue and you know this is just particularly on sue and you know this isjust a particularly on sue and you know this is just a woman who really needs help. 0ver six million people in the uk volunteer to care for sick or elderly relatives. those numbers are going up and so are the pressures. it's so moving. it is something that affects so many of you judging by the number of comments we're receiving. let's have a look. karen, "it is incredibly hard to be a carer. my mum needs everything doing for her. i share the caring with my brother, mainly over the whole weekendful she does have carers popping in, but not every day and the carers don't have enough time to do what's necessary. soi enough time to do what's necessary. so i find myself cleaning up after them. carers themselves are not looked after enough, not paid enough and have little respect in their own job." this texter says, "i am a carerfor my son job." this texter says, "i am a carer for my son who has special needs as well as other issues. it is ha rd needs as well as other issues. it is hard work and demanding. you never get time to yourself and when you do, you're mentally drained." that teen says, "i am a full—time carer for my mum. she won't let anyone look after her even for a day." elaine, "i am puzzled, looking after relatives. the unpaid word suggests ita relatives. the unpaid word suggests it a state responsibility. surely it isafamily it a state responsibility. surely it is a family responsibility." thank you for those. keep them coming in. and after 10:30am, we'll be hearing from people around the uk who care for their relatives. if you do — get in touch and give us an insight into your day. still to come: ukip says it would ban full veils worn by some muslim women if they won the general election. living with a curved spine. 15—year—old julia carlile raised awareness of scoliosis when she danced her way through to the semi—finals of britain's got talent on saturday. but the surgery available in the uk to correct it would stop her dancing. an e—mailfrom an e—mail from bethany on this to say, "peu was dig knowed with this at eight years old. my curvature was severe and i had my spinalfusion operation aged ten. my parents didn't think i would walk againment however, i was determined to exceed expectations. i got all as and a stars at dance and drama at school andi stars at dance and drama at school and i have gone on to study per fortunatelying arts and i have gone on to study per fortu natelying arts and and i have gone on to study per fortunatelying arts and have become a professional performer and dancer and choreographer. " thank a professional performer and dancer and choreographer." thank you, bethany. here'sjoanna in the bbc newsroom, with a summary of today's news. a former banker will take on the anti—immigration far right leader marine le pen in the second round of the french presidential elections. emmanuel macron came first in the vote yesterday. he's seen as a political newcomer and ran as an independent. it's the first time in six decades the mainstream parties have not had a candidate in the run—off to become french president. a man has been arrested in connection with the murder of a former royal navy officer thought to have been run over by his own car. it's thought mike samwell — who was 35 — was killed when he confronted thieves outside his home in the chorlton area of manchester in the early hours of sunday morning. mr samwell was asleep with his wife jessica when the intruders struck. four drivers have admitted falling asleep while operating trams in croydon, where seven people were killed when a tram derailed last year. a investigation for the victoria derbyshire programme has also discovered a failure with a safety device, known as "a dead man's handle", that was not reported to the regulator, and three incidents of speeding since the crash in november. tram 0perations ltd, which runs the line, said driverfatigue was monitored and controls were "fully functional". we'll bring you more on that investigation after 10 o'clock. jeremy corbyn is promising to repeal what he calls "vicious" trade union legislation, brought in by the conservatives, if labour wins the general election. the labour leader will make the pledge today to trade union members in scotland, where his party's trying to claw back support after huge losses in the election two years ago. two men are due to appear in court today, charged in connection with an acid attack at a nightclub in east london on easter monday, which left two people blind in one eye. arthur collins, who's 2a and the boyfriend of the reality tv star, ferne mccann, is facing 14 counts of wounding with intent and one count of throwing corrosive fluid with intent to cause grievous bodily harm. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10.00. time for the latest sport now. arsenal's aaron ramsey said the team wa nt to arsenal's aaron ramsey said the team want to win the fa cup for arsenal wenger. it will be an all london final between arsenal and chelsea next month. they came from behind to ta ke next month. they came from behind to take the tie into extra time before alexis sanchez scrambled in that winner. it finished 2—1. bigelow ka nte has winner. it finished 2—1. bigelow kante has won the professional footballers association player of the year award. tottenham's dele alli won the young player prize for the second successive year. 500 goals now for lionel messi in a barcelona shirt. his side blue la liga post by title race open with a dramatic victory at real madrid, messi with a stoppage time winner. and they club runner with swansea harriers stunned britain's elite men at the london marathon to qualify for the 2017 world championships in london. josh griffiths, who is 23, finished in two hours, 1a minutes and 49 seconds on his marathon debut. victoria warner speak to him just after ten. —— victoria warner speak to just after ten. —— victoria warner speakto him. ukip says its election manifesto will include a pledge to ban the full face veils worn by some muslim women. the party leader, paul nuttall, suggested people who continued to wear a niqab or a burqa would be fined. a niqab, on the left, allows the eyes to be seen. a burqa, on the right, doesn't. so does this policy amount to an attack on muslims? let's bring together sahar al faifi, who's worn a niqab since she was 1a. she is a geneticist and assistant secretary general of the muslim council of wales and also with us, linones, who's on ukip's national executive committee. liz linones, tell liz jones, tell sa har why you linones, tell sahar why you would ban what she is wearing right now. two reasons. firstly, the issue of security. i'm sure you are aware that on the 21st of may 2005, one of the london bombers endeavoured to escape by wearing the full niqab. so we have a security issue. i am sure you are also aware that there was a recent robbery at selfridges store in london, where all the robbers wore the niqab. i am also sure you are aware that there were big issues in student campuses and the dormitories in cairo, jordan and afghanistan with terrorists entering those buildings wearing the niqab. so we have a security issue. on that point, would you ban motorcycle helmets and balaclavas, because we have had robberies with people wearing those? using the same logic? no, because it is about the sharing of public space. you cannot enter certain public areas. but you can commita certain public areas. but you can commit a robbery wearing a motorcycle helmet or balaclava. but you are not saying the ban motorcycle helmets? no, because there is another element. the second element is the issue of integration. we have to accept that the move of the 21st century is towards inclusiveness and cohesion within the public space. so many people would consider that a woman being covered would show that she is separated, whether willingly or unwillingly, from society. in fact, iam sure unwillingly, from society. in fact, i am sure you are aware that in 2006, jack straw, the labour mp, spoke vociferously against the face veil and he was supported by gordon brown and tony blair. injanuary 2016, david cameron reiterated that and said public authorities should have the right to set down reasonable rules with regard to the wearing of the face veil. lets let sahar respond wearing of the face veil. lets let sa har respond now. wearing of the face veil. lets let sahar respond now. thank you. first of all, i have to explain why i am wearing the face veil. firstly, it is an act of worship. i am a human being ona is an act of worship. i am a human being on a spiritualjourney, trying to connect with god. that is why i wear it. the narrative that the face veil somehow undermine security is a false narrative. muslim women who choose to wear it are a minority within a minority. and this minority are more than happy to reveal their identity with an id card whenever needed. so security is a false narrative. with the rise of islamophobia and the hostile environment around muslims, there are politicians making irresponsible comments across the political spectrum, not only ukip. it now sits the context that we live to demonise and scapegoat minorities. and the easiest target for that is the muslim woman. if we are talking about empowering muslim women and enhancing their integration, surely you should support their right to express their faith in the way they want. theresa may said on hijab day in february, what a woman wears is her choice. so when we have people telling us it is actually a security issue and undermines integration, we have to talk to the women who choose to wear it. i am a geneticist. i participate in public life. i campaign for social justice. but when you have the far right like ukip trying to distract the public from the more important issues like housing, unemployment and creating jobs for youth using this piece of fabric that i'd choose to wear as pa rt of fabric that i'd choose to wear as part of my faith, part of my identity. i have to say, it is not a far issue. as i said, in 2006, jack straw... he apologised for it. he apologised publicly. but he did have the support of gordon brown and tony blair. but he said it was a mistake. please don't talk at once. i will give each of you the right time. it is not an issue with regard to religion per se because in 2017, the grand mosque in mecca bandit. it is not common to wear it in iran, turkey, bangladesh, pakistan. britain is a multicultural society. of course, that is why in the private sphere, you are free to wear whatever you want. however, private sphere, you are free to wear whateveryou want. however, because we are a multicultural nation now, the public sphere has to have communality so that all segments of society can feel that they belong. does communality mean everyone has the look the same? this is a simulation, not integration. everyone has the right to express theirfaith, their everyone has the right to express their faith, their sexual orientation, their belief, their views, as long as they don't harm anyone. this is how we live today in anyone. this is how we live today in a multicultural british society. i am not going to accept to be assimilated into the larger society for the sake of value to my identity or my faith. if we are talking about integration, we should create an equal space for everyone to express whatever they want. liz jones, your leader paul nuttall said yes, wear it in the privacy of your own home, but when you are out and about, you would be fine. how would that work? that would be a matter for the police to organise. i understand they have organised in france, where it has been illegal since 2011 to wear the burqa. i don't know how the police would manage that. that would bea police would manage that. that would be a matter for police would manage that. that would be a matterfor them. police would manage that. that would be a matter for them. anti-muslim sentiment has led to an increase in physical, verbal and online attacks previously in britain. do you think the same will happen this time? not at all. there are many muslims in this country who would support a burqa ban. we have had well—known muslims speaking out. salman rushdie has spoken out against it. but would it lead to an increase in attacks? by it lead to an increase in attacks? by banning it? if the face veil was made a criminal offence, or a low—level offence... made a criminal offence, or a low- level offence... what made a criminal offence, or a low-level offence... what do you mean? it would be a par with anti—social behaviour, a previous labour initiative. if it were at that level, i don't see why it would result in more attacks, because people would presumably be obeying the law in which case the faces would be uncovered. how about i speak to you from my experience? after brexit, there was a sharp increase in islamophobic attacks. i am facing so many islamophobic attacks that it has become part of my life because of your irresponsible comments against muslims, alienating them all the time for the sake of getting votes. i will give you an example. i did an interview with the bbc in response to the proposed anti—extremism laws by david cameron and someone passed by, looked fearlessly at the camera and swore at me, you are an f word bummer, because you and the likes of you said that i and —— is a muslim unthreatening society. when people see politicians like you speaking in the media like this, someone in the street had the guts to look at the camera and said, you're an f word bomber. if you are supporting community cohesion, we must reject hate and bigotry. this is what happens in front of camera. you can imagine what happens behind it. someone like me, who is highly educated, working tirelessly to treat cancer patients, is being abused in the street. is that acceptable ? abused in the street. is that acceptable? is it acceptable to discriminate against anyone? acceptable? is it acceptable to discriminate against anyone ?m acceptable? is it acceptable to discriminate against anyone? it is not acceptable. it is a criminal offence. did you report it to the police? of course. what resulted you get? the result that they could prosecute him. there is a gap in the uk law. muslims are not protected equally as the black and jewish community. but that is another discussion. i am saying to you that irresponsible comments by you contribute to demonising muslims. you are a woman contribute to demonising muslims. you are a woman and contribute to demonising muslims. you are a woman and i am a woman was that we should support each other. ifa that we should support each other. if a woman wants to wear a miniskirt, let her wear it. if a woman wants to wear a face veil, let her wear it. an egyptian feminist took the brave step of going into tahfir took the brave step of going into tahrir square, and she removed her face veil in public. that was the launch in egypt of women's rights.|j am going to post you there. thank you, both. these are comments from people watching around the country. rebekah tweets that the ukip debate is embarrassing. it is a blatantly racist attack, no matter how they dress it up. this ukip representative should be ashamed. alexander says, hardly any crimes occur because someone wore a veil. terry says i'm sure there would be better integration if ukip stopped trying to force everyone to be like them. rob — ask the ukip woman if face coverings include edl thugs in balaclavas. well, it depends where they are wearing balaclavas. 0bviously, they are wearing balaclavas. obviously, there would be allowed into a obviously, there would be allowed intoa bank obviously, there would be allowed into a bank or department store. but on the street is fine? it is about being in the public domain. if people find that threatening, it is an issue. so you are not suggesting banning balaclavas in the street?|j would banning balaclavas in the street?” would not suggest putting balaclavas in the manifesto because it is a double situation. we have the security situation, and if that said one life, it would be worth doing. the other situation is the integration situation. do you think it makes it easy for people to integrate with edl thugs wearing balaclavas? well, how many of those are there? i have not seen one on my way to this studio today. i have never seen one in my way to this studio today. i have never seen one in my life, have you? speaking again in about integration, let's talk facts. muslims contribute £30 billion to the british economy. 50% of muslim females or 50% of muslim students generally are in university in comparison to 38% of the general public. this is what i call integration. liz jones, iwanted public. this is what i call integration. liz jones, i wanted to get your reaction to the fact that one of the french presidential candidates going through to the final round is marie led pen. how do you respond to that?” final round is marie led pen. how do you respond to that? i don't know if she is anti—immigration. she wants to have more secure measures within france and that's a matter for her. i don't seek to make any comment about her policies. i'm in britain and i'm concerned for the british public. now i will say... would you rather she won compared to the independent centrist candidate?” rather she won compared to the independent centrist candidate? i am not going to get involved with the french election. that would be impertinent. do you have an opinion? not really. it would be impertinent for me to express. not really, you have entitled to express an opinion? i wouldn't like it if she was to make remarks about the british election. i'm not asking you to tell people who to vote for.” election. i'm not asking you to tell people who to vote for. i prefer marie. she is better looking. thank you very much for your time. coming up: the mp who said femininst zealots really do want to have their cake and eat it will now face the leader of the women's equality party at the ballot box in shipley in yorkshire. we speak to both candidates in the next hour. this is an x—ray of someone with scoliosis — it's where the spine twists and curves to one side. most people can live a normal life with it, but those who need an operation to correct it can end up with very limited movement. it has been brought to wider attention following this stand out moment on britain's got talent. this group came together because i've got scoliosis, so... sorry, what is that? scoliosis is like a curvature of the spine. right. my one's quite rare because it's more common to, like, have an accident and get it but i was born with it. so i have to have surgery soon and after surgery, i won't be able to dance so this is like my last chance because i've always wanted to do it. are you serious? yeah. you've got an amazing attitude. i've got to tell you. thank you. you really have. applause. good luck. thank you so much! cheering and applause. # like a small boat on the ocean # sending big waves into motion # like how a single word can make a heart open # i might only have one match but i can make an explosion # and all those things i didn't say were wrecking balls inside my brain # i will scream them loud tonight, can you hear my voice this time? # this is my fight song # take back my life song # prove i'm all right song # my power‘s turned on # starting right now, i'll be strong # i'll play my fight song # and i don't really care if nobody else believes # ‘cause i've still got a lot of fight left in me # i've still got a lot of fight left in me # cheering and applause. it really touched me, so much so that i'm going to go... cheering and applause. 15—year—old julie carlile is taking part on britain's got talent in the hope of raising nearly £80,000 so she can travel to america and receive another type of surgery which could cure her completely and will allow her to continue to dance. this programme has learnt nhs doctors in england already have the expertise to carry out this operation, known as tethering, but currently patients are not allowed it. let's now talk to 0livia wingrove. she is 18. she was diagnosed aged 15 with scoliosis — the same condition asjulia. sean molloy is a spinal surgeon. his patients include professional dancers and sports stars. hello there molloy. 0livia. tell our audience what it is like living with scoliosis. it's quite hard because you're very restricted on what you can do. like even day—to—day tasks like walking long—distances and carrying a heavy bag is very hard and it strains your back. and if i go to the gym or anything, i can only restrict myself in certain things because i can only move so much. right. is it painful? yeah, it is very painful. but i've learnt to cope with the pain. i need to click my back every now and then as a relief of the pain, but it's if i'm sitting in one position for say half an hour, you need to move otherwise it does become very painful. you we re it does become very painful. you were diagnosed at 15 yes. what triggered it? it is from when i heart had my growth spurt, but they are not 100% sure. when you heart had my growth spurt, but they are not 10096 sure. when you were watching this on britain's got talent on saturday night, what did you think? ijust talent on saturday night, what did you think? i just tried. when talent on saturday night, what did you think? ijust tried. when she came on and explained her situation. ididn't came on and explained her situation. i didn't know anyone with scoliosis would be able to do something like that. and the fact that she is raising awareness and rather successfully so far... yeah. is that helpful to people like yourself with this condition? yes, because not many people know about it. i only met one other person with it. i have written a blog on it to raise awareness because it's like even simon cowell didn't know what it was. no one knows. sean molloy thank you for talking to us. what leads to scoliosis? well, it's a combination really of genetic environmental factors. we don't really know the vast majority scoliosis of adolescent scoliosis and that really means we don't know what the cause is. so we're left with a lot of patients who particularly, females in theirgrowth patients who particularly, females in their growth spurt who get a curvature of their spine and we have to try and do something for them. julia on britain's got talent has to go to america to receive this tethering surgery. what is it and why can't we do it here when surgeons here have the expertise in england? i think one of the simplest things for your audience is many, many years ago, if you had a problem with your hip or knee, you would fuse the hip or knee and that would lead you to have great disability, you couldn't play tennis or squash and what we have been left with in spinal surgery, in scoliosis surgery we still fuse people. the hip replacement and the knee replacement has come along, what we are trying to do is keep people from being fused and therefore they have functional spine. so this is evolutionary in terms of our techniques. so instead of fusing children like we do at moment we are trying to do a thing called tethering which is trying to modulate growth or the type of growth that occurs in the spine as you have seen with the images we have given to you, they were given from jason at george's, you can see there is a lateral curvature of the spine which is what scoliosis is and the tether or the growth that you can see have been put on the long side of the spine or the right—hand side of the spine or the right—hand side of the spine or the right—hand side of the spine as you look at the images and what we're hoping to do is the child as they grow, they will actually grow on the left—hand side of the spine, thereby normalising the actual spine and straightening what you are seeing is three images. 0ne preoperatively with a sizeable curve . 0ne preoperatively with a sizeable curve. the middle image shows you post—operatively, you might look at it and think it hasn't changed much and you would be right in saying it hasn't changed much, but on the right—hand side, 12 months done the line, the curvature has reversed and we have had a cure of the actual scoliosis itself. that's the main aim. are patients not getting that in this country or are they? the most important thing to say is we are cautious in this country like everybody should be because, of course, the data is not complete. we don't know if this treatment is going to be a long—standing treatment for people. it was done first 11 years ago in the united states and there was a case report, but the larger series which are only 20 and 32 patients were published in 2014 and 2015. there have been 20 cases done at st george's hospital in london and also we started a programme here a the royal national orthopaedic hospital, but for the time nhs england want to have a look at this and decide how this treatment maybe commissioned and how the funding stream will be given for these patients. thank you very much, sean. sean molloy who is a spinal surgeon. actually lots of people live with scoliosis very successfully and do not need surgery. the general election will see plenty of new faces in parliament — and other long serving politicians leaving — including former conservative party chairman sir eric pickles who's been in british politics for 25 years, but has announced he won't be seeking re—election in the brentwood and ongar constituency. we can speak to him now in chelmsford. hello to you. hello. why are you leaving?” hello to you. hello. why are you leaving? i have decided that this would be my last parliament and i decide after theresa's shock announcement whether i wanted to do another and i decided that i didn't, i think it is far better to leave when people are wondering why you step down than to hang around and wonder why you're still there are. in the past you have been involved in drafting four conservative manifestoes, clearly, you don't know the specifics of what will be in the next one. i'm in the going to ask you about the specifics of the next manifesto, but let me ask you what you think voters should read into your chancellor and the prime minister repewsing to rule out tax rises if the conservatives do win? i think what we should do as what we have done in prior elections is to wait for the manifesto and all will be there. i understand until the manifesto comes out, people are desperate to look at every nuance of what various people are saying and by and large, it is best to wait for the manifesto to come out. but it is interesting from a voter's point of view that so far given several opportunities both have failed to rule out tax rises? well, they're both conservatives and this is something that i shared in common and the conservative party is committed to reducing taxation. after all, i think, committed to reducing taxation. after all, ithink, we committed to reducing taxation. after all, i think, we have taken vast numbers of people out of paying tax and many people on low pay, i think they are £1,000 better off through the things that we've done. which makes it even more interesting that they haven't chosen to rule tax rises out out yet anyway. let me ask you about something else. the work and pensions secretary said yesterday that a future conservative government would block a rise in energy prices which would cut household bills by £100. do you think that kind of intervention in the market could lead to power shortages? i think that's unlikely, but i can understand why the secretary of state is thinking that. given the various rises that have happened, to use a technical legal term the energy companies have been having a laugh. they have been putting up prices without good reason and i think they deserve what they're going to get. the reason i ask because the then leader of labour, ed miliband, when he said he was going to do something similar you said in response, "power shortages are now a genuine threat." well, that was a couple of years ago. i think we hadn't seen the action of the power companies and i think we can be reasonably assured that under the conservatives that we will be able to deliver a reasonable power bill and we will ensure that power bill and we will ensure that power remains. you worbed for margaret thatcher and you worked for theresa may. what are the differences? i didn't work for margaret thatcher. i knew margaret thatcher. sorry, i should have said that. yeah. yeah, i knew her. it many ways theresa may reminds quite a bit. i have known theresa for 20 odd years and there is more than a passing resemblance but theresa is her own person and just because she isa her own person and just because she is a female prime minister perhaps it isn't that healthy to continually compare her to margaret thatcher who was by any definition a one off. right, thank you very much. thank you for talking to us eric pickles. and he is standing down. let's get the latest weather update with carol. this morning, we have seen some rain and snow. you can see that we have snow falling in aberdeenshire. we have snow showers across eastern scotla nd have snow showers across eastern scotland into the far north—east of england. more cloud will spread south through the course of the afternoon. the wind will also feature. that will be with us tonight, blowing for the showers across northern scotland into northern ireland, parts of wales and eastern england. away from this, it will be a cold night. there will also be frost and the risk of ice on untreated surfaces. but a beautiful start to the day tomorrow in terms of sunshine. still showers at low levels in the north. still that bitingly cold northerly wind. here in there, we could see wintry flurries. if you are exposed to that northerly wind, it will feel much colder than those temperatures are suggesting. welcome to the programme. last night's presidential election in france was historic. voters abandoned the mainstream parties and it was a shock — the result has sent shock waves through the french political system.” result has sent shock waves through the french political system. i mean, it's just a crushing defeat. the french political system. i mean, it'sjust a crushing defeat. the whole french political landscape is being redesigned. also, after seven people were killed in a tram derailment in croydon last year, four drivers tell this programme they fell asleep while operating trams on that line. how many drivers do you think have fallen asleep in the cabin? most drivers have at some point in their careers. we will also hear from those who have given up their lives to look after a family member, as campaigners the last social care must be a priority in the election. it's the most isolating situation anyone could find themselves in. and your mother is the one person you should be able to talk to about that. yes. and... can't any more. good morning. here'sjoanna in the bbc newsroom with a summary of today's news. voters in france have chosen the two candidates who will go through to the final round of the presidential election in two weeks' time. emmanuel macron, who is the leader of a brand new political movement, will take on the anti—immigration far right leader marine le pen. it's the first time in six decades the mainstream parties have not had a candidate in the run—off vote. the two frontrunners addressed supporters as the results came in last night: translation: i want to become the president of all the people of france, the president of the patriots, in the face of the threat from the nationalists. translation: the time has come to get rid of all the arrogant people who wanted to dictate to the population what they should do. i am the candidate for the people. a 21—year—old man's been arrested in manchester in connection with the murder of a former royal navy officer. mike samwell, who was 35, died yesterday after confronting intruders who are thought to have struck him with his own car in chorlton. mr samwell was asleep with his wife and had gone downstairs to investigate loud noises when it's believed he was killed. four drivers say they've fallen asleep while operating trams in croydon, where seven people were killed when a tram derailed last year. an investigation for this programme also found a failure with a safety device, known as "a dead man's handle", that was not reported to the regulator and three incidents of speeding since the crash in november. tram operations ltd, which runs the line, said driverfatigue was monitored and controls were "fully functional". we'll bring you more on that investigation shortly. jeremy corbyn is promising to repeal what he calls "vicious" trade union legislation, brought in by the conservatives, if labour wins the general election. the labour leader will make the pledge today to trade union members in scotland, where his party's trying to claw back support after huge losses in the election two years ago. two men are due to appear in court today, charged in connection with an acid attack at a nightclub in east london on easter monday, which left two people blind in one eye. arthur collins, who's 24 and the boyfriend of the reality tv star, ferne mccann, is facing 14 counts of wounding with intent and one count of throwing corrosive fluid with intent to cause grievous bodily harm. the government will go to the high court to try to delay publishing its strategy for tackling air pollution. today was the deadline for ministers to present their plans, but they claim voting rules mean they can't publish sensitive policies before the general election. campaigners say they're trying to dodge a difficult issue because of nervousness about increasing tax on diesel drivers. tougher punishments for the most serious cases of speeding have come into force in england and wales today. drivers can now be fined one and a half times their weekly wage for the worst offences — that means driving over 50 miles an hour in a 30 zone or 100 miles an hour on a motorway. and a 12—year—old who was trying to drive across the entire breadth of australia has been picked up by police. the boy was pulled over already 800 miles into his journey in broken hill in the new south wales outback on saturday after a patrol noticed the car's bumper dragging on the ground. police believe he'd planned to keep going all the way to perth, which would take another 30 hours. he is now back with his parents. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10.30. do get in touch. your experiences help inform our conversation. we are hearing from many of you who care full—time for a relative. john tweets, i am in the same situation as the brave carer in your film. my wife is 59 and will need 24 hour ca re wife is 59 and will need 24 hour care for the rest of her life. juliette says, my mum can't move, speak or eat. i feed juliette says, my mum can't move, speak or eat. ifeed her through juliette says, my mum can't move, speak or eat. i feed her through a tube in her stomach. she needs 24/7 care. iam tube in her stomach. she needs 24/7 care. i am an unpaid care and keeping my mum alive and it is very hard. tony says, i am a full—time carerfor my hard. tony says, i am a full—time carer for my severely disabled partner, with cerebral palsy. she will never get better. i have been doing it for 25 years. constant interference from the government doesn't help. they should accept that some people will never ever be able to work, so they should stop the harassment. carers save this country billions. i wouldn't change what i do for the world, but the government could make things easier. we will talk more about carers after 10.30. here's some sport now with will. almost 40,000 runners completed the london marathon yesterday. there are a lwa ys london marathon yesterday. there are always so many inspiring stories, but one has generated huge interest. the pictures of runner david wyeth being helped over the line by a fellow competitor, matthew rees, this clip on the bbc sport facebook site alone has been viewed more than 5 million times. david received medical attention after the race. thankfully, he was ok after a big burger, i am told. this morning, the pair were reunited. he was telling me to go on, but i want to make sure he got to the finish line. i didn't wa nt he got to the finish line. i didn't want him to not make the end.” he got to the finish line. i didn't want him to not make the end. i am so want him to not make the end. i am so grateful. you say that others would have stopped, and i am sure you are right, there may have been others, but you persisted. itold you to go and you still didn't. no worries. matthew, who helped david, isa worries. matthew, who helped david, is a member of the swansea harriers running club. it was a great day for the south wales team yesterday. they're one of the south wales team yesterday. they‘ re one of josh the south wales team yesterday. they're one ofjosh griffiths was the first briton home in a time of two hours, 14 minutes and 49 seconds,in two hours, 14 minutes and 49 seconds, in his first marathon. we can speak to him now. where have you been hiding, josh? i am in a hotel by tower bridge. i was supposed to be going home, but my life has taken a bit ofa be going home, but my life has taken a bit of a turn. let's show you some pictures of the start. here, you are good ten metres back from the start. when did it start to click during the race that you were running past olympians and that you had a chance of finishing as the top briton? around halfway, before i knew it, i was in that group. and all of a sudden, i was starting to move away from the group. it didn't hit me until the later stages that that was happening. incredibly, you are self coached, josh. you are studying a masters degree at cardiff metropolitan. what kind of training had you done before this and what we re had you done before this and what were your best times?” had you done before this and what were your best times? i had a coach previously when i was racing on the track, but for the marathon i decided to coach myself. so last month, i did a half marathon in llanelli, where i ran in 65 minutes. and matthew rees from swansea was also second in that race. incredible, the fact that you are now going to the world championships in london in the summer. if that's something you definitely want to do? most certainly. it was not something i had considered before yesterday, but i can't wait to get started with it. that is what you train for. incredible. there are rumours that you jumped on the metropolitan line and the number 63 bus to tower hill. can you deny those? i got to the start with the masses like the rest! it is crazy. congratulations. josh griffiths, heading to the world athletics championships in 2017. we will have more headlines at 10.30. in france, the electorate has given a big two fingers up to the established political parties. for the first time in almost 60 years, neither of the two big parties will be in the final run—off for the presidential election next month. which is basically the equivalent of the conservatives and labour not getting through. the two candidates who are through to the next round couldn't be more different. in one corner is emmanuel macron, a former banker, who's seen as a political outsider, having never run an election campaign before — his new party only started a year ago. he says he wants to create a new kind of politics, breaking down the divisions between the traditional left and right. he's up against marine le pen — leader of the national front, who wants to slash immigration, clamp down on free trade, and bring in a french version of brexit. she's the daughter of france's former national front leaderjean—marie le pen — a convicted racist. let's speak now to karin giannone, who is in paris for us, tell us about the two candidates who are through to the second round run—off on may 7th, and a little bit more about what they stand for. yes, two extremes, particularly in their vision of europe that you mentioned. the whole country is trying to come to terms with this com pletely trying to come to terms with this completely changed political landscape. as you were mentioning, the two main parties are out of the picture completely and the ruling party, the party of the current president francois hollande, only managed 6% iniesta the's election. imagine if that were replicated in the uk. emmanuel macron, the very young centrist candidate at only 39, is the forward—looking globalist who wa nts to is the forward—looking globalist who wants to be in a more federal europe, against marine le pen, who wa nts to europe, against marine le pen, who wants to close france's borders, end immigration and bring in protectionist policies. some are calling this a referendum for france on europe because of those wildly opposing views about the european union. so the next 13 days are going to bea union. so the next 13 days are going to be a critical time. what does the fa ct to be a critical time. what does the fact that these two are through to the final round say about french society? you might expect that at a time of heightened terror threat, with the attack here on thursday near the champs elysees —— might have turned france towards a more additional candidate like francois fillon, who was running for the centre—right. some might have seen him becoming more the choice of the people as they looked to someone who could reassure them and provide experience. that hasn't happened. they have gone for emmanuel macron, the untested, unelected former minister, and marine le pen. that is really being reflected on right now. many people i have been speaking to have said there is an anger in french society. there is also hope reflected in the macron voters. there is this sense that the parties who have been in charge for more than 50 years are not doing what they should be doing, a sense that they should be doing, a sense that the elite are in charge and the ordinary people are being ignored, and that is really coming through in this election. and i believe you have someone with you? yes, let's talk to ann. we were talking about what you can draw from this result about what is going on in french people's minds. why do they opt for outsiders when they could have had the reassurance and security of a candidate who has been in politics for decades? french people wake up with a total new political landscape and they have to share between different proposals of very different candidates. we have 2—2 frances which are divided actually and probably emmanuel macron will have to be more passive with this part of france which is very critical, very protesting, which have a lot of anger, rage. you spoke about rage. it's really the term and so the next two we e ks it's really the term and so the next two weeks will be very interesting to see how the french people, the french voters will adapt with this very french voters will adapt with this very new french voters will adapt with this very new political offer. and the contrast between these two candidates almost seems really a crossroads, people to chose more integration with the eu or a withdrawal from the euro at least, completely. it is a new cliff edge. it will be interesting to british viewers as well. it is interesting because in france we have lost the traditional between left and right. we see europe or non europe. an open society or closed society and also with issue as immigration and terrorism also which arrive at the first position because it concerns a lot of french population. thank you very much. soa very much. so a real contrast in choice now facing the french people. we have had months of relentless campaigning. we've got two more weeks of it now. thank you very much. emmanuel macron described himself as the patriotic choice for france. translation: i want to become the president of the whole people of france, the president of the patriots in the face of the threat represented by nationalists. applause the president able to protect, to transform, and to build up. a president who is able to allow those who are willing to create, innovate, start work, to do it faster, more easily. i want to be a president who is going to support and help the more fragile among us, those who have been upset by life and do that through help, school, work, solidarity. marine le pen said a vote for her was for the survival of france. translation: without forgetting he friends overseas that trusted me and i'm proud of the confidence they ma nifested i'm proud of the confidence they manifested towards me. the time has come to get rid of the arrogant people who want to dictate to the population what they should do. i am the candidate for the people. and it is an appeal to all the sincere patriots wherever they come, whatever their origin, whatever they voted for in the past round, i invite them all tojoin voted for in the past round, i invite them all to join us and to abandon old—fashioned invite them all to join us and to abandon old —fashioned quarrels invite them all to join us and to abandon old—fashioned quarrels and to concentrate on what is the superior interest of our country. that was really essential. marine le pen. four drivers have admitted falling asleep while operating trams in croydon, where seven people were killed after a tram derailed in november 2016. drivers have told this programme a safety device, known as "a dead man's handle", failed to activate and stop their trams. ed thomas has the story. what have drivers been telling you. the drivers been telling you. the drivers come forward to say first of all, they are falling asleep in the cab in charge of a tram and secondly, that they're concerned over this driver safety device. victoria, it is difficult to have sympathy for these drivers, but they say, if they're to go to the company, they are in fear of being sacked. now, the people who operate this tram line, they say driver fatigue is monitored and that these safety devices are fully functional, but this is the story of those drivers and the families of those who died who still want to know what happened. a speeding tram. no emergency braking. the sandylands disaster. here, seven people were killed, over 50 injured. for the first time, we hear from drivers who have fallen asleep on duty, their fears over the on—board safety device. we reveal the trams still going too fast, and five months on, the families waiting for answers. have you fallen asleep? yeah, it's happened to me once in ten years. this croydon tram driver would only speak to us if we protected his identity and changed his voice. how many drivers do you think have fallen asleep in the cab? i would say that most drivers have at some point in their careers. he is admitting what many would consider gross misconduct because of this. it is called the traction brake controller, or tbc, the driving lever that powers the train. inside, the safety device known as the dead man's handle. this driver says when he fell asleep, it did not work. was there an alarm? no. was there any emergency braking? no, none whatsoever. my hand remained on the tbc. that was enough to keep the dead man's handle from being activated. why aren't drivers telling the operators what is going on? if we were to come forward and say, "excuse me, i fell asleep", i think you'd just be dismissed. but we're talking about people's lives, here. the most important people are the passengers. yes, yeah, i couldn't agree more. and this man isn't alone. four drivers have told the bbc they have fallen asleep in the cab. i woke up about ten metres after the tram stop. conrad is one. after 16 years, he retired last year. in 2005, his tram rolled through george street. he was asleep. a person was very fortunate i did not run them over. was there any alarm? no, there was no alarm. was there any emergency braking? no, there wasn't any emergency braking. so no dead man's handle? it didn't kick in? it didn't kick in, as it... as we were advised that it should have done. we have been told of three other incidents where drivers are believed to have been incapacitated. one was a collision with buffers at elmers end. another was a tram driver here at morden road, spotted sleeping in a moving tram by ticket inspectors, who had to wake him up by ringing the cab. send it off to tfl. and then there's this. drivers asked us to watch the footage again. a tram driver who appears to be asleep. there's no alarm, no emergency brakes. is he asleep in the tram? that driver is incapacitated. he is asleep. had that been in another location, that could have been another disaster. the alarm should be sounding at the tram should be stopping. that is what the video should be depicting, but it's not. transport for london is responsible for the line. we asked why the dead man's handle in this video didn't activate. i think you will see that he is in and out of asleep, isn't he? he's coming to and starting to doze and coming to and starting to doze. why was there no alarm? why was there no braking? well, because, if he were to completely pass out, if he were to completely lose consciousness, then he would relax his grip. but it's ok just to slightly doze in a tab like we saw in the clip? no, of course, it's not all right. the company who operates the trams for tfl, tram operations limited, says driverfatigue is monitored and on the driver safety device, says it is satisfied the controls are fully functional. it is important to consider what these driver safety devices are meant to do. designed in part if a driver collapses after a heart attack. but we have found this guidance on the regulator's website, the office of rail and road. it says, "the dsd should be designed so that it cannot be kept in the operating position other than by a vigilant tram driver". drivers have also told us about specific faults with the driver safety device. we have obtained this video of an empty tram, out of service, powering itself. we understand this is an extreme setting and tfl has now rectified the problem on all trams. the spring was obviously broken in the dsd. and the tram just drove itself. this former driver didn't want to be identified. he claims the alarm on the driver safety device first delayed, then completely failed, in may 2016. did you report these concerns? i called the control room. the engineering department knew about it and they said they were aware of it but it's completely safe to carry on. i had to raise my voice over the recorded radio system and say to them if i had a heart attack or became unconscious, this tram will go through the buffers at beckenham junction at 50 miles an hour. only when i said that, they said, "take it out of service straight away". and notjust engineers. this man said other drivers were also aware. some drivers found it worrying but they found it amusing in a way, that you could drive without using your hands. we have also discovered that the safety regulator wasn't made aware of the incident. the office of rail and road told us all dsd failures should be reported to them. they should have pulled the entire fleet in and tested every single tram but they didn't. in a statement, the operators, tram operations limited, said there was not a full failure of the driver safety device. passengers were not at risk and the tram was examined and the fault was rectified the next day. transport for london said despite that fault, the tram was still operating safely. we can also reveal at least three trams have been recorded speeding since the sandilands derailment. one was travelling at 65 kilometres per hour in a 40 zone. another was speeding close to the disaster site itself. the operator told us it had increased speed checks since the sandilands crash. all we know is that this tram was speeding at 43.5. and still waiting for answers, the families of those who died, people like this lady, who lost her husband, phil. my daughters are just devastated. it has changed my life. he did everything for us. he... he was our rock. he took care of everything. everyone that was on that tram that day, it's changed their lives. the others who have managed to walk away are living nightmares. why, why? investigators are trying to answer that question, to piece together a disaster that changed so many lives. astonishing regarding the equipment. astonishing regarding the equipment. asa astonishing regarding the equipment. as a passenger you just want the alarm to activate. you want the handle to work, don't you? that's why it is difficult to have that sympathy for drivers who say they're falling asleep and the wife of somebody who died at sandilands, she speaks for many, when she says, "i just want to know." drivers say take a look at this driver's safety device. it is not working on some occasions when we are in the trams, but the operators are saying it is fit for purpose. it is tested. there is not a problem. the tram drivers should not be falling asleep. thank you very much, ed. ed thomas reporting. if you're watching on bbc two, in a moment you'll be able to watch the world gymnastics championships. to continue watching our programme turn over to the bbc news channel — where coming up in the next half hour. as a campaign calls for making social care a priority in this our top story today — the leader of a brand new french political movement will take on the anti—immigration far right leader marine le pen in the second round of the french presidential elections. emmanuel macron came first in the vote yesterday. he launched his own centrist movement a year ago, taking on the political estsblishment. it's the first time in six decades the mainstream parties have not had a candidate in the run—off vote. we can speak now to two french voters. we have davy rodriguez, a marine le pen supporter. and margaux pech, an emmanuel macron supporter. for our british audience, margaux, i wonder if you could expect why you think monsieur macron would be right for france? oh, yes. emmanuel macron is my candidate and i think last night, we chose the renewal of ideas, of people and a way of doing politics. i think he has a vision and with his project, we are going to rebuild europe. this is really important to us and it is important for your british citizens to understand that we want to be a leader in europe and rebuild this project, because europe has been on hold for ten years now. this is one of the biggest objectives. davy, marine le pen is offering the com plete marine le pen is offering the complete opposite. she wants a referendum an in—out referendum on whether france should continue as a member of the european union, like we had in britain. she wants out of the euro and she wants to close the borders, the polar opposite of what monsieur macron is offering. why do you say marine le pen should be the next president? that is totally true. we have to different models of what france could be in a few years. i think marine le pen is now leading the way to a frexit in order to have our own democracy. that is why we are defending two different ideas. from one side, we have the idea of emmanuel macron and on the other hand you have marine le pen with real renewal. the renewal is not only about people, it is about ideas, and the ideas of emmanuel macron are the same as francois hollande, francois fillon and the other politics in france for 40 years. margaux, how divided would you say french people are?” years. margaux, how divided would you say french people are? i think, yeah, we have some division now in france about europe, for example. but the thing is that emmanuel macron wants to bring this country together with a new way through this century into this open world. now we see with this election that it is the end of traditional parties both on the left and right sides. so now we wa nt on the left and right sides. so now we want to bring new faces to politics. that is what emmanuel macron is doing. i think we have a real vision to bring france to be a leader in our world. so i think with this campaign, focused on education and rebuilding europe, we can bring together french people. we had some attacks on emmanuel macron and people are not realising that his project is the right one. we saw this last night, because he came first in the first round of this presidency. and davy, what chance does marine le pen have of becoming president in reality? my opinion is that she has a chance of winning this election. the voters who elect people, for example, the voters of francois fillon want a cultural division. they want to defend our cultural civilisation and a lot of them are in favour of limiting immigration. then you have the vote rs of immigration. then you have the voters of jean—luc melenchon, immigration. then you have the voters ofjean—luc melenchon, who also want to defend our tensions and economy “— also want to defend our tensions and economy —— they want to defend our pensions. maybe voters from both sides will vote for marine le pen. here, we are defending ideas. we are not only changing faces, we are changing the model. with the rest of the news, here'sjoanna in the bbc newsroom. a 21—year—old man's been arrested in manchester in connection with the murder of a former royal navy officer. mike samwell, who was 35, died yesterday after confronting intruders who are thought to have struck him with his own car in chorlton. mr samwell was asleep with his wife and had gone downstairs to investigate loud noises when it's believed he was killed. detective superintendent john chadwick is from manchester police. this could have happened to anybody. you hear a noise downstairs and you go and see what it is. it is incredibly tragic. any information, we need to hear it. two men are due to appear in court today, charged in connection with an acid attack at a nightclub in east london on easter monday, which left two people blind in one eye. arthur collins, who's 24 and the boyfriend of the reality tv star, ferne mccann, is facing 14 counts of wounding with intent and one count of throwing corrosive fluid with intent to cause grievous bodily harm. the government will go to the high court to try to delay publishing its strategy for tackling air pollution. today was the deadline for ministers to present their plans, but they claim voting rules mean they can't publish sensitive policies before the general election. campaigners say they're trying to dodge a difficult issue because of nervousness about increasing tax on diesel drivers. tougher punishments for the most serious cases of speeding have come into force in england and wales today. drivers can now be fined one and a half times their weekly wage for the worst offences — that means driving over 50 miles an hour in a 30 zone or 100 miles an hour on a motorway. that's a summary of the latest news, join me for bbc newsroom live at 11am. and some sport now. arsenal's aaron ramsey says his team want to win the fa cup for arsene wenger, who's out of contract at the the club in the summer. it'll be an all london final between arsenal and chelsea next month at wembley. they did it the hard way, coming from behind to take the tie into extra time before alexis sanchez scrambled in a winner against manchester city. n'golo kante has won the professional footballers' association player of the year award. tottenham's dele alli won the young player prize for the second successive year. 500 goals now for lionel messi in a barcelona shirt. his side blew the la liga title race wide open with a dramatic 3—2 victory in el clasico at real madrid. messi scored the winner with 12 seconds of stoppage time remaining and a club runner with swansea harriers stunned britain's elite men at the london marathon to qualify for the 2017 world championships in london. josh griffiths, who's 23, finished in two hours, 14 minutes amd 49 seconds on his marathon debut. more sport on the bbc news channel throughout the afternoon. he isa throughout the afternoon. he is a conservative mp who tried to derail legislation to protect women against violence. she is the leader ofa against violence. she is the leader of a new party which campaigns on gender equality. now they are going head to head in the general election. sophie walker says she will stand against philip davies in his seat of shipley. what is it about this man that makes you cross enough to stand against him? iam standing i am standing for election in shipley because i want to protect jobs and pensions. but what is it about philip davies that means you have gone to shipley? philip davies has made the privilege of a local mp'sjob into has made the privilege of a local mp's job into his has made the privilege of a local mp'sjob into his own personal national platform to espouse anti—women views. i am running national platform to espouse anti—women views. iam running in shipley because there are a lot of people in shipley who are fed up with that job being people in shipley who are fed up with thatjob being used to do that instead of the work for opportunities for all of the constituents. i want to work for everybody and i want to balance the way we do that. we are notjust investing in physical infrastructure like roads and bridges, but we are also investing in social infrastructure jobs. are you abusing the privilege of being a constituency mp to campaign against women? no, well, i've challenged sophie on a number of occasions to give one quote — i've been an mp for 12 years — one quote from anything i've said publicly, it's all on the record, where i've asked for women to be treated less favourably than men. and there isn't one. hang on, give me the opportunity. let's give sophie walker the opportunity. well, setting aside the fact that philip consistently frames feminists as extremists rather than campaigners for justice, you have to look at his actions, which are that he attempted to talk out a bill to protect survivors of violence. he took time out of his constituency work to give a speech to a conference organised by an outfit called justice for men and boys, whose website promotes articles like one entitled 13 reasons women lie about rape. he also talked down a bill which would have provided free hospital parking for carers. he has written to the equality and human rights commission, asking why it is offensive for people to wear blackface. so it is your actions that sophie is... well, at least we've clarified it's nothing i've actually said that has ever asked for women to be treated less favourably than men. all i have ever asked for, the speeches that sophie has taken great exception to, were ones where i have actually asked that men and women are treated exactly the same. that if you go before the court, your gender should be irrelevant. men and women should be treated the same. but you did campaign against the combating violence against women bill. yes, and i made it clear... a bill that would protect women? yes, exactly, and on the basis that i thought the bill should apply equally to male and female victims of violence. 0k, is that not fair enough, the bill should apply equally to men and women? there is a very specific clause in that bill that recognises that men and women experience violence against them differently, according to their gender. it actually makes provision for sufficient funding and protection of specialist services. now, our party has got very specific policies to protect funding to specialist services, for example, services for men who experience domestic violence. whereas philip's party is cutting funding to those very important services and making it less likely that many in those positions will actually get the support they need. i would have much more support and understanding for what philip is saying if he could back it up with positive examples of positive, constructive legislation that he has presented, rather than this very negative demolishment that we consistently see. well, i mean, the clue was in the bill. it was combating violence against women. it's no good trying to rewrite history and say that this bill was about men as well. it wasn't. the clause gave ample... it was about combating violence... it was called the combating violence aginst women bill. my view was, and i made it perfectly clear that i would have happily supported the bill if it applied to men and women equally, if you are a victim of crime, it should not matter what your gender is. why didn't you introduce the combating violence against men bill, if it was such a massive issue? well, it is private members' bills, done by ballot. you can'tjust come along with your private members' bill. it is done by... but you could suggest it? idid. in my speech on the bill, i said, let's bring forward a bill, we could have amended the bill to say, let's have it for men and women equally. and so, surely the women's equality party, if they believe in equality, should be supporting my stance on saying that we should treat men and women equally? but the outcome of your actions means that you ended up campaigning against a bill which would protect women. well, it was not going to protect any women. i've made clear in my speech... that is simply not true. it will not do one thing to protect a woman. i've argued that what we should do is actually have the men who commit domestic violence serve the whole sentence they are given in prison, not let them out halfway through even if they are still a danger. that would be much more useful to victims of violence, and let me give you another illustration. one thing i campaign on and i helped baroness cox, who is a crossbench human rights peer, about sharia councils, which terribly discriminate against women. i went to a meeting that baroness cox organised where three very brave women actually gave their testimonies as to how badly they have been treated at sharia councils. i campaigned to end sharia councils... so those are actions... the women's equality party have nothing to say on sharia councils. well, hang on a minute... these are actions that would suggest that philip davies is not anti—women, for example? ok, so on sharia specifically, we have been very clear at the women's equality party that we think there is one form of law in britain, and that is british law. sure, but i'm asking you about his actions when it comes to some of these campaigns. but i think it is contradictory to say that you are supporting the discriminatory, rather, you're combating the discriminatory actions of sharia councils and yet voting against a law, the bill we have been talking about, which has specific provisions in it to provide for survivors of honour—based violence and forced marriage. so on the one hand, he is saying one thing, and on the other, he's doing completely the opposite. ok, only for one gender. that bill was only about one particular gender. clause 2.2 specifically referred to the different kinds of violence. it was called the combating violence against women bill. that is what it was called. if what you wanted to do was change the title, then why didn't you just focus on that? i did try and focus on that, but no one was interested in changing the title. all of these things should apply equally to men and women. that is all i have ever argued for, whether it is sharia councils, which discriminate against women, or this legislation, which discriminates against men. i will campaign for equality, irrespective of people's gender. great, we have some... final thought, are you a feminist? it depends on what you mean by a feminist. tell me what you think feminism is. if feminism is about gender equality, then yes, i would support feminism but what my point is, that what we are getting with feminism at the moment is that they want to campaign on areas where women are disadvantaged, perfectly reasonably, and i will support them in that. but they don't want to say anything where men are disadvantaged and as far as i'm concerned, we should be equally concerned about both. are you a feminist? if the definition is that it's about gender equality, then yes i am. well, it's about the advocacy of women's rights. well, if it's about equality, i'm interested in equality. that's what i think, that men and women should be treated... the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of the equality of the sexes. yes, i agree with the quality of the sexes. you're a feminist? well, on that definition, yes, of course i am. he's a feminist. i'm delighted that 24 hours after i entered this race, philip davies is declaring himself a feminist. i have always said that. and you'll be able to find a full list of the candidates standing in shipley on the bbc website once the other parties have announced. police in manchester have arrested a 21—year—old man in connection with the murder of a former royal navy officer at his home in the chorlton area. we can speak to correspondent dave guest, who is there. tell us what you know about happened to mike samwell. well, it was the early hours of yesterday morning that mike, who was 35, awoke to a loud banging noise. he went to investigate and a short time later he was found with severe injuries in this parking area beyond the tapes down there. now, it appears that someone had been attempting to steal his audi car and had run over him in that car causing him serious injuries from which he sadly died. now, of course, this is a quiet residential street. it was the early hours of the morning. it is everybody‘s worst nightmare what happened to this man and his family are ina happened to this man and his family are in a deep state of shock. and that's the reaction of people who live locally as well? that's right, yes. yesterday around 50 people took pa rt yes. yesterday around 50 people took part ina yes. yesterday around 50 people took part in a vigil. they walked from a local church and came to the street here and laid flowers with messages of sympathy for mike and his family at the corner of the road here. people have been shocked by what's happened. this is a cliche to say, it isa happened. this is a cliche to say, it is a quiet residential area. it isa it is a quiet residential area. it is a reasonably well healed area. the black audi was found in a street not far from the black audi was found in a street not farfrom here, the black audi was found in a street not far from here, it has the black audi was found in a street not farfrom here, it has been the black audi was found in a street not far from here, it has been the subject of forensic investigation as has the parking area behind the house where mike lived. police have described this, i think, as more than criminal? yes, yesterday they we re than criminal? yes, yesterday they were really trying to appeal to the criminal fraternity to say look there is a line that's been crossed here. a man woken from his bed, in the early hours of the morning, goes downstairs as anybody might do to see what is happening and ends up deadin see what is happening and ends up dead in the most terrible of circumstances. the police officer in charge of this case has said that basically the advice to people is if you hear a noise downstairs, you shouldn't really go and investigate, you should stay upstairs and barricade yourself into your bedroom and dial 999, but the investigating officer said he could understand why somebody like mike would want to go and investigate halfs going on. mike, as we say, a retired naval officer who was working for a company, an engineering company in warrington and his colleagues there are shocked. the police investigation into this crime is still very much on going. the 21—year—old man arrested on suspicion of murder continuing to be questioned this morning. dave guest, reporting live from manchester, thank you. several charities have told this programme they want social care to be a top election issue over the next few weeks. this morning we've been hearing from those of you who care full time for relatives. rory says he has been a full—time carerfor rory says he has been a full—time carer for the last 20 years. i carer for the last 20 years. "my carer for the last 20 years. , "my day consists of her caring for her 24/7. i don't go out. i haven't had a holiday in decades. i have no life of my own. i'm 48 years of abling andi life of my own. i'm 48 years of abling and i spend every spare minute sitting obthe sofa looking out of the window watching the world go by. i'm wishing i would die quickly instead of this long drawn out death of boredom and loneliness." heather says, "i care for my mum. i'm permanently tired. i have low self esteem. i have lost friends and a relationship is out of the question. i have realised that i cannot go on as i'm becoming ill. i don't eat. i can't sleep. i've done this for five years with no thanks and a whole load of stress. someone else can have a go rather than criticise me." dave, "i did thisjob for my mum for five years. it destroys your life. even though you try your best to do a job that no one else wants to do. there is no real help out there as the care stel seems to be broken beyond repair. i really thought it was just me who was going through this. so i started recording and videoing most phone calls and visits. most phone calls, but i was still alone. i'm trying to get a carer to come and help, trying to get anyone to help you is impossible from adult social services, the nhs, to charities." our reporterjames longman met suejenkins who's effectively given up her life to care for her mother patricia, who is 88 and needs round the clock care. she has dementia, is doubly incontinent and uses a wheelchair. we played you the full report earlier — here's a short extract. it's 2.20am in the morning. it's been a very, very tiring day. i'll hoist her into bed now. let's get mummy changed before she has a massive meltdown. sue. she has a lot of changing behaviour, screaming, hitting out. does she do that a lot? yes, she does, and that can't be helped. it's part of that illness. it's heartbreaking, and it can make you feel useless and that can make you want to run for the hills and just run into the night. i have given up my life, yes. i used to sail a lot. i used to do so many things. i'm a very outgoing person. but i take care of my mother, and that's it. i've lost my best friend. she's there, somewhere inside. but... you know, the person i dearly love and dearly want to talk to about so many things has left me already. and the thought of losing her fills me with complete dread, because my life is very much here. we can speak to margaret dangoor who has been a carerfor her husband eddie who has alzheimer's for the last ten years. kate white, whose husband john also has alzheimer's. she's been his carer since he was diagnosed eight years ago. rob burley from the alzheimer's society — one the charities calling for social care to be a key issue of the general election campaign. welcome all of you. thank you very much for coming on the programme. presumably margaret and kate you can relate to much of what sue was saying? yes, it's heart-rending really to see that sort of situation. it's different for all of us. every carer is different and every person with dementia is different, but this sort of situation is not unusual. what about you, kate? yes, iwould situation is not unusual. what about you, kate? yes, i would agree with margaret. i think it takes such a toll on people's lives and often they don't know about the kind of support and care that might be there, but what is there is being reduced all the time and i think as margaret was saying everybody both the person with the condition and theircarerare the person with the condition and their carer are different. the person with the condition and their carerare different. so the person with the condition and their carer are different. so the scenario is some, that we're familiar with, but there are different scenarios as well. tell us, tell our audience about the impact on you of caring for your husband? mine is different. ithink in comparison with the situation on film. my husband has always been content within his dementia. so... co nte nt ? content within his dementia. so... content? yes. he has settled into the process if you like comfortably and as long as he is cared for well, and as long as he is cared for well, and he is in the right surroundings, that makes my caring role a lot easier and also in comparison with the film, we are very fortunate that we have a specialist dementia centre in our locality and he has been going there for many years since 2008. these centres are not fashionable, but for some people, to me, i don't think pedestrian would be alive today, he is in the very advanced stage, if he didn't have the stimulation of going to that seb ter. other people to mix with and the activities that he's involved with, it really sort of lifts hill up. yes. kate, the i will pact on you of looking after your husband?” think i relate to the exhaustion because i think it is a full—on 24/7 and there are three eight hour shifts a day. wow. when you put it like that. do you mind me asking how old you are? i'm 6. how old is your husband? he's 83. he's not inned advanced stages of margaret or the person on the film. he's active and he's out and about and doing thicks, but he has to have somebody with him all the tilement he gets very anxious and i see that as his need for attachment and safety that emotionally he needs somebody to help him see where he is in the world because he gets disorientated. yes. let me bring in rob. when kate puts it like that, it is three eight hour shifts effective by every day? by hour shifts effective by every day? by the end of the next parliament there will be one million people living with dementia, it is time the next government steps up to that challenge of the at zileers society is launching a united against alzheimer's campaign and that's calling for everybody to understand alzheimer's better and take action to solve the what does that problem. mean? fixing a system that isn't working for people with dimecsia. dementia crisis is a social care crisis. 60% of people use home care service. what's that? someone will support someone with dementia and support someone with dementia and support a carer. why doesn't eve ryo ne support a carer. why doesn't everyone get home care if they are looking after a relative with dimecsia? there isn't enough funding in the system and what we heard from margaret and kate, there is a postcode lottery and another challenge we want the next government to fix is how complex the syste m government to fix is how complex the system is. so having someone to good families and people with dementia through the process would be essential because we were talking in the green room and margaret and kate had it teach their carers some of the things about the system because they understand it, but not everyone is in that position. ok. so be really cleared what you want parties to offer. it is more money to pay for home carers to go in, to give respite to peel like margaret and kate and sue on our film respite to peel like margaret and kate and sue on ourfilm and more services like the dementia centre that you referenced margaret? better training as well. only one in three home care workers has any dementia training. do you have a figure of how much more money political parties should be promising in their ma nifestos parties should be promising in their manifestos to put into social care? well, the cost of care for dementia £17 billion is falling on people with dementia themselves. £17 billion a year? that's right. that's falling on carers and their families exactly right. £17 million. how have you got to that figure? the cost to the uk is over £26 billion and £17 billion falls on people themselves in terms of the care they have to providement if you get a 15 minute ca re providement if you get a 15 minute care visit a day, the rest of the day, i think, care visit a day, the rest of the day, ithink, the point about care visit a day, the rest of the day, i think, the point about the three eight hour shifts. there is no party going to be suggesting £17 billion a year so, what are you saying? the key thing is better training for staff involved, support through the system, as soon as someone is diagnosed with dementia, being told what the system is and how they can navigate the system. how much would that cost? that's essential. we want to work with whoever is next in power to put people with dementia at the heart of the debate and listen to people like margaret and kate and sue on the film. it is a huge issue, isn't it? yes. that you have, rob. margaret, thank you very much for coming in. we wish you all the best. kate, thank you very much as well. thank you very much. last month 21—year—old james casling moved so many of you to tears when he told us that football saved his life. since that interview we've taken him to train with qpr 5 first team and you can find out how we gets on on the programme tomorrow. i would like to thank the many of you who have got this touch today to tell us that you are a carer. i have read so many of your comments. let me read this from a viewer, "these ca re rs me read this from a viewer, "these carers are real heroes who save the government billions every year and yet have their own lives turned up side down." thank you for your company today. we're back tomorrow at 9am. have a good day. bold bottom hello. good morning to you. yes, that's a wintry mix and it is on its way to many of us. it is shy of the edinburgh area at the moment, but it is there to be had across aberdeenshirement you're tied up across aberdeenshirement you're tied up with a vicious little feature which will spread the prospect of rain, sleet and snow across eastern scotla nd rain, sleet and snow across eastern scotland on its way through the borders. that line of cloud and rain is the demarcation between the mild airs in the south and the fresher feel further north and that's putting it very, very delicately indeed. a really raw feel to the afternoon, two, three, four celsius with the snow beginning to lie in some areasment further south, some cloud and rab, but it won't help to top up the ground water levels and once that front is away, we are all infora once that front is away, we are all in for a really cold night with lying snow piling up across northern and eastern parts of scotland and a raw, raw feel to the new day on tuesday across the country, even if you see sunshine, but those showers will be really wintry across many parts. take carement bye—bye. this is bbc news. i'm karin giannone live in paris. a historic moment for french politics — a rejection of the mainstream parties that have governed for over six decades in the first round of the presidential election political newcomer and former banker emmanuel macron will face far—right leader marine le pen in the run—off on may 7th. i won to become the president of all the people of france, the president of the patriots, in the face of the threat from the nationalists. at the time has come to get rid of all of the error people who want to dictate to the people what they should do. i am the candidate for the people. i'mjoanna gosling...in other news:

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