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Offence but should go on the sex offenders register. Well hear the rationale, and get reaction to the controversial claims before 11. And meet kate. Hello, im kate, i had a heart attack a day after running a ten kilometre race. Im one of the youngest people to have one of the youngest people to have one of the youngest people to have one of this type of heart attack with no known risk factors. We will hear her story before ten. Welcome to the programme, were live until 11 this morning. We will bring you the latest from the inquests into those british deaths in tunisia. Also we will hear how two executives have paid for a trip to travel around the moon. The estimate is 50 million. Do get in touch on all the stories were talking about this morning use the Hashtag Victoria Live and if you text, you will be charged at the Standard Network rate. Our top story today. The inquests into the deaths of 30 british tourists who were murdered in a Terror Attack in tunisia two years ago will conclude this morning. The coroner at the hearing heard that local policemen did nothing to stop the gunman for at least 25 minutes, but in an exclusive interview with the bbc ahead of the verdict, a british witness has described how he stepped in to save some of those whod been shot. Richard galpin reports. Ill this is the gunman casually walking along the beach by the Imperial Hotel in the midst of the attack. Trained by so called Islamic State, and unchallenged by the police, he systematically murdered 38 holidaymakers, most were british. Today, Alan Pembroke leads a normal life, working at this london company. But he was on the beach at the time of that attack, and did something quite extraordinary, running back into the scene the attack after taking his wife to the safety of their hotel. I ran towards the gunfire, where i could now see bodies on the beach. I hit the deck, and as i hit the sand, i saw a lady, she was moving, semiconscious, breathing, and she had some severe gunshot wounds. I dressed her hand and covered her wrist with a scarf i had pulled down for they each umbrella. Off the beach umbrella. She then told me she had pain in her leg and she had a hole in her leg, so i got a beach towel and i wrapped it around her leg to compress the injury and stop the bleeding. His actions saved the life of sarah, whose husband lay dead beside her. But he is haunted by what he saw and angry at the failure of the Tunisian Police to intervene in time. I was on the beach for a good 20 minutes with her alone. And i saw no military or medical staff. It is only in recent reports that i found out police waited, they fainted and hid. You know, that is unforgivable. They need to be held accountable for that. Just three months earlier, Foreign Tourists were targeted in an attack by islamic extremists, leaving 20 dead, in tunis. But the Foreign Office did not change their overall Travel Advice. The colour coded map for Travel Advice remained green for the coastal areas, so tourists could still go, even though the Foreign Office was warning of a high risk of foreign terrorism. The senior official told the inquest here that the criteria had not been met to stop tourists from travelling to coastal resorts in tunisia. Several survivors gave testimony that the holiday pass on info of terrorist attacks, and instead they were told it was safe to go. Their evidence is disputed. Today, the families will finally hear the conclusions of the coroners at the end of this long inquest. Richard galpin, bbc news, the court. Lets speak now to our correspondent ben brown who is Outside Court for us, and will be following the Inquest Conclusions coming in. The coroner, doctor Nicholas Loraine smith, will be giving his conclusions on the deaths of all of those 30 british citizens who died at the massacre in sousse. Judge Nicholas Loraine smith. We will hear if he has any criticism of the Holiday Company involved. The lawyers for the families accused the company of utter complacency and gross neglect. That is, they say, because the customers were not alerted to the fact there had been a previous Terror Attack in tunis three months previous where two people had died. And also because the hotel where the customers were saying they say was not possibly vetted in terms of Security Cameras cctv cameras, and armed guards. Tui had failed in their duty of care of their customers, according to the families. They also have questions about the Foreign Office, whether the Foreign Office should have raised their advice in the wake of that attack in tunis three months earlier at the museum. Whether they should have barred all travel to tunisia. Families are angry about the response of the security forces, which the inquests have heard there was an unjustifiable delay by the Tunisian Police. At one patrol, even though they had Assault Rifles in their vehicle, decided to go to a nearby Police Station and collect more weapons before going to the hotel to try to stop the gunman. He wasnt killed until some 45 minutes after his attack had begun. Thank you. Ben brown is live outside the royal courts of justice. Thank you. Ben brown is live outside the Royal Courts Ofjustice. More on that come from ben throughout the morning. To come from ben. Annita is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the days news. A bbc investigation has revealed there were more than 20,000 allegations of abuse made against Home Care Workers over the past three years. Many of the cases involved neglect but there were also allegations of physical, psychological and sexual abuse. The uk Home Care Association has described the findings as horrifying but warns the system is under extreme pressure. John maguire reports. Caught by a hidden camera, Maurice Campbell was jailed for over two years for abusing 85 year old dora in her own home. These images are especially disturbing because he was supposed to be caring for her. It is a serious case of obvious neglect. Complaints against home carers can cover a range of problems from cruelty to mistakes with medication to being late for appointments. My father was quite a mild mannered man all his life. Paulines father was also a victim. He was filthy, dirty, dishevelled. He had no teeth in. He looked like a tramp. He had not had a shave, he was a smart man and became completely neglected. Pauline believes that neglect, in particular when he was given the wrong medication, contributed to his death. Just over half the councils in the uk contacted by the bbc answered a Freedom Of Information Request which found there had been 23,500 allegations of abuse against home carers over the past three years. The police were involved in almost 700 cases and there were 15 prosecutions. We do not know how many of the total complaints were valid but the local government ombudsman has seen a significant rise in cases. We have seen a 25 increase in complaints about home care over the last 12 months. When we investigated the complaints what we found is that 65 of the time our investigation shows that there was fault in the services. That is far higher than we found in any other part of the work we do. It is a concern. The government says it has introduced tougher inspections and given councils dedicated funding. But with an ageing population and tight budgets the theory is that complaints will continue to rise. Britains most senior Child Protection Police Officer has said paedophiles who pose no physical threat to children shouldnt be prosecuted. Simon bailey said the system had reached Saturation Point, because of the increased reporting of sexual abuse and that lower level offending should be decriminalised in favour of rehabilitation. Spacek s has announced plans to fly two passengers around the moon next year. Spacex. The pair have paid a significant deposit for the trip. Greg dawson reports. It remains the pinnacle of human exploration. But since this nasa apollo 17 mission in 1972, nobody has since made the 240,000 mile journey to the moon. This is the company that claims thats about to change. Spacex, the commercial us Rocket Company, has announced plans to send two private citizens on a Lunar Journey late next year. Their owner, the entrepreneur elon musk tweeted fly me to the moon 0k. An astronomicaljourney like this comes with an astronomical price tag, potentially hundreds of millions of dollars. Mr musk revealed little about the mystery travellers except they paid a significant deposit and that they are aware of all the risks of human space travel. The late 2018 deadline for this flight is ambitious. Space xhas had problems in the past. Spacex has had problems in the past. Last september, one of its rockets exploded on its launch pad in florida. But it represents a new era of the space race with private companies, not countries, competing against each other. Lift off. Nasa has given its support to the plans which, if successful, will launch the era of space tourism. Greg dawson, bbc news. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news. More at 9. 30am. In halfan in half an hour we are going to talk to an individual who gets personal Independence Payments for his anxiety, depression, his 0cd, and his eating disorder. When he was assessedit his eating disorder. When he was assessed it was ruled that he shouldnt get disability payments, but he overturned that on tribunal. He is going to react to the fact theresa mays policy unit has said these payments should be for really disabled people, not simply people taking pills for anxiety at home. Some comments. Mark says anxiety and depression has ruined my life, it is bad enough for me to try and live on a day to day basis without constant fear of my benefits being cut or stopped. Im 60 this year so cannot yet claim my pension. Can somebody make the conservatives see sense and leave us alone . Another comment, this is sheer ignorance of depression. This is absolutely outrageous. Do get in touch with us throughout the morning. Especially if you are somebody who suffers from depression, and particularly if you are somebody who takes pills at home. Use the Hashtag Victoria Live and if you text, you will be charged at the Standard Network rate. Lets get some sport now with katherine downes. If you are Claudio Ranieri, after le i ceste rs if you are Claudio Ranieri, after leicesters performance last night, wouldnt you be hurt . We dont know if you watched, because he was reportedly at a zoo with his family. Claudio ranieri was sacked as boss of leicester a few days ago. Nobody knew what the atmosphere was going to be like. Would the fans be sad, would there be anger . In the end it was a celebration of everything he achieved at this time at leicester. He took the Premier League title last season. The sad reality is that it took the removal of Claudio Ranieri, as manager, for leicester to find the form they enjoyed under him last season. Some great goals coming up. Check out this one from danny drinkwater. Leicester scoring their first danny drinkwater. Leicester scoring theirfirst goals in danny drinkwater. Leicester scoring their first goals in the league this yearin their first goals in the league this year in 2017. That was danny drinkwaters. And two from jamie vardy. Meaning drinkwaters. And two from jamie va rdy. Meaning they drinkwaters. And two from jamie vardy. Meaning they beat liverpool last night 3 1. Remarkable, considering they had such a dreadful season so considering they had such a dreadful season so far, finding themselves in the bottom three. They pulled themselves out of the Relegation Zone. Theirfirst themselves out of the Relegation Zone. Their first match without manager Claudio Ranieri. Lets listen to what jamie vardy made of that result. Lots unfair stuff has been written. Lots of. Lots of stuff had been written about everybody, not just me. Stuff had been written about everybody, notjust me. It got us fired up in a good way to put a reaction on the pitch, which we have done. What reaction to that win . Plenty. The eyes of the footballing world would have been on that to see how leicester reacted following the removal of Claudio Ranieri. Chris sutton is talking about craig sheuks sphere. This one, leicester players certainly proving a point. Thats Matt Dickinson writing in the times, whether it is a point about them or ranieri will be much debated. Plenty of debate in the papers this morning. This is Richard Osman saying, im putting some money on leicester winning the title. Mathematically they cant win the title this year. John cross writing in the mirror should leicester players be celebrating or hanging their heads in shame . The question over the team about whether they downed tools to get ranieri sacked . It is the controversy surrounding that match and that result. 3 1 against liverpool last night. Cheers. Thank you. 38 people were killed, 30 of them british tourists, when a gunman opened fire on a beach in tunisia two years ago. As Holiday Makers fled for their lives, tunisian student seifeddine rezgui, continued his attack, entering the Hotel Complex through the pool area. The massacre was the greatest british loss of life in a Terror Attack since the london bombings in 2005. For the last six weeks there have been extensive inquests into the deaths of those who were killed on that day and in less than an hours time the coroner will start to deliver his conclusions on how they died. Well bring you those conclusions as they happen throughout the programme. But first, heres a reminder of how the day unfolded. The terrifying moment a gunman enters a popular beach resort in tunisia and opens fire with a kalashnikov. Holiday makers flee across the sand. For half an hour, he is able to roam across the beach and through the hotel. Seeking out and systematically killing innocent tourists. 38 people died. 30 were british. The biggest loss of british life in a Terror Attack since the london 7 7 bombings. So called Islamic State said it was behind the attack, carried out by a tunisian student. Who those who survived recall the horror of what happened that day. He just stood there with his huge gun. He was wandering around all the people shooting them. He was just killing and murdering them. Ijust had my head phones on. Ijust heard some sounds. Ijust thought, fireworks like Everyone Else did. I just turned and looked at my wife on the sunbed next to me and she was already off the sunbed running in that direction. Ijust decided to run straight down the beach. Into the sea. I could still hear everything still going on. You never forget that sound. Now, a coroners inquest has heard what factors could have ccted to the Attackment One key area is the Foreign Offices Travel Advice. At the time of the attack, three months afterjihadists targeted tourists a shooting in the conditions capital, it did specifically advice Holiday Makers against going to tunis yasmt instead advice on its website said, further attacks are possible. A senior Foreign Office official has defended the decision. The inquest also heard claims that part of the attack or most of it, could have been prevented by tighter security with Tour Operator tui showing utter complacency. There were four unarmed Security Guards on duty that day. Tuis lawyer argued some steps were taken by the firm to keep guests safe. The inquest also heard there was an unjustifiable delay by tunisian Law Enforcement units to intervene during the attack with some units taking 30 minutes longer than they should have to reach the scene. It heard this was due to simple cowardice. From 10am, the coroner will explain why neglect is a Contributory Factor. We can speak now to two british survivors of the tunisian Terror Attack, Colin Bidwell was on the beach with his wife when the attack happened. He was shot at and grazed by two bullets and in sheffield we have maxine midgley. She was also on the beach with her husband and her colin thank you very much for coming on. Tell us where you were when the gunman started shooting . |j on. Tell us where you were when the gunman started shooting . I was lying on the sunbed following the shade. My on the sunbed following the shade. My wife was following the sun. I had my head phones on. I thought it was fireworks like Everybody Else. By the time i got up and realised it was gunfire, most of the people had run off the beach including my wife. So you saw People Running. Did you see the gunman . I didnt see him at that point, no. Where did you run to . Well, i managed to fall off the sunbed and crawl as far as i could and literally hid behind a boat and just prayed for my life. You hid behind a boat . I hid behind one of the spare boats from the Water Sports Team and just put me head in the sand and prayed to god. I thought i was going to die. Did you . Yes. While you were doing that, you could hear the chaos . |j yes. While you were doing that, you could hear the chaos . I could hear gunfire. I didnt know if it was aimed at me, but as far as i was concerned, aimed at me, but as far as i was concerned , someone was aimed at me, but as far as i was concerned, someone was out aimed at me, but as far as i was concerned, someone was out to kill me. When did you realise you had been shot at . Still to this day, i dont know. The Adrenalin Kicks in. When i swam out to sea and i started to signal to someone when i turned back to look at the beach, thats when i realised something was wrong. I couldnt see any blood or anything, ijust i couldnt see any blood or anything, i just felt a tingle and i couldnt see any blood or anything, ijust felt a tingle and i just didnt know. Not until mohamed pulled me on the boat that probably i had maybe got an injury. Tell us about that. Well, the bullet passed as close as it could to the back of my arm. It took a bit of flesh away andi my arm. It took a bit of flesh away and i took one to the inside of my right leg as well. But, how they just did nothing to me really, just scratches, you know, compared to the injuries other people had. I count myself very lucky, very lucky. Remarkable actually . Yes. What about your wife when you were running into the sea . Well, when i looked up off the sea . Well, when i looked up off the sunbed she was already running to escape. I was a few seconds behind everybody because i had my head phones on. She went a different way than what i went and it is funny when youre panicking, i didnt really think about my wife until later on because youre just trying to protect yourself. Youre trying to protect yourself. Youre trying to survive. The animal instincts fight or flight. Thats all you can do in those moments. You had been to tunisia a few times, i think, before the attack. Where you aware of the Security Concerns around the country when you went this time . Thats a very good question. We had been to Tunisia On Numerous Owication and we we re Tunisia On Numerous Owication and we were aware of the arab spring, the revolution, so we decided not to go for 18 months, two years. We saw the shocking attack. I did think that possibly we wouldnt go, but once we went to the travel agent and we thought ok, well go back to the hotel weve always wanted to go to, it suited our budget and the timing, it suited our budget and the timing, it was not until i realised when we got there, i met the thompson rep, we went to book a trip and they said that trip has been taken off because it is in the red area. Meaning . They didnt wantany it is in the red area. Meaning . They didnt want any british tourists in that that part of tunisia. That was the first time maybe it crossed my mindment you think that everywhere is going to be safe when you go on holiday. You think youre going to be safe. The Foreign Office have been criticised, advice on their website at that time was that further attacks in tunisia were likely, but it didnt actually say dont travel to tunisia . Likely, but it didnt actually say dont travel to tunisia . Thats true. Thats true. I did look at it and maybe i should have looked at it and maybe i should have looked at it a bit more thorough, but when you go away and you know something has happened, you never think its going to happen to you anyway. How has what happened that day affected the way you live now, colin . Well, for me ive decided to live my life for the better of my experience. Ive decided that my wife is still suffering and there is still lots of people out there injured and uninjured that are still suffering. Ptsd is the worst thing. And my wife is dealing with it every day. Were getting help now. She has pdst, does she . Yes. Things are improving. At the beginning it was a little bit lacking in the help that the people who came back got help. It was a bit slow coming through, but now, i think, you know, we have got a good Support Groups with, we have got a good Facebook Page and everyone stay ins touch and regularly meets up as a group of survivors, were not victims, were survivors. I made some life long friends that i have forever. Forever. You will know that the coroner is going to say that the people who were killed were victims of Unlawful Killing, but hes not going to say that neglect contributed to their deaths ie, lack of security at the hotel, cowardice is the word thats been used during the Inquest Hearings of some of the local Police Officers, what do you think about that decision . At the time, i thought it was lacking and since more information has come through, preinquest, it is quite shocking to think that there was that long space of time when nobody came which is, it is concerning i will say. Everything was lacking is the kindest word. So it would be the wrong decision if the coroner says Unlawful Killing . I would rather not comment until the inquest and leave it to the experts, thats my suggestion. Ok, lets bring in maxine. I dont know if you know maxine. I dont know if you know maxine. Yes, i do. Yes. Maxine, hello. Hello. Ive got colin here with me. Thank you very much for talking to us maxine. I wonder if you can tell our audience about where you were with your husband and your 14 year old daughter when the attack started . We went down to the beach that morning. Bronwyn wanted to go into the sea. So we let her go into the sea and having a lovely holiday like everybody expects and then within five, ten, 15 minutes everything just erupted. It was just unbelievable. I looked towards forward on the beach and i noticed that there were People Running towards us and bronwyn and i started panicking a little bit and then i was getting worse and worse as they we re was getting worse and worse as they were coming closer and closer. And there were two gentlemen, i think, some young lads were playing football further on the beach and then gentlemen did have a gun and i knew it was a gun and i could hear all this noise and People Running towards us. I said, get out of the sea towards us. I said, get out of the sea now towards us. I said, get out of the sea now. She was saying, mum, im 0k. I sea now. She was saying, mum, im ok. I said, get out of the sea now. I didnt want to explain to her what i thought was happening. It was obvious what was happening. How would you say your lives have changed as a result of what you saw that day and also, your daughter as well, how has she been affected by it . Bronwyn has took it really, really, really well. In fact she has been superb really. She has really managed with it very well. We had counselling. I had counselling. Richard had counselling. I think i was worst because it affected me really bad. You go away on holiday hoping for a lovely time. U nfortu nately, hoping for a lovely time. Unfortunately, this incident happened, but were lucky because we survived, but there is so many people that actually had fatalities some families and my heart goes out to everybody who had a fatality. I think we should have had a bit more help than what we did as well by government, by tunisia people. They probably saved our lives. They hid us probably saved our lives. They hid us in cupboards. We was in a kitchen unit under, it was horrendous. It was really, really horrendous and ill never ever get over it, ever. But you just learn to live with it. It is one of the reasons i think. My it is one of the reasons i think. My heart goes out to all them that had fatality and thats what gets to me more than anything because ijust hoped they got help and everything for themselves and to be better because its just horrendous and i just hope they get the results when they come to the conclusion this afternoon. It is one of the reasons you destroyed your pictures from that time. Let me come back to colin. You have been back there. Yes. Lets have a little look. Lets do it. Lets do it. Just had my headphones on. I heard some sounds. I just thought just had my headphones on. I heard some sounds. Ijust thought it just had my headphones on. I heard some sounds. I just thought it was fireworks, like Everybody Else did. Ijust fireworks, like Everybody Else did. I just turned and fireworks, like Everybody Else did. Ijust turned and looked at my wife next to me on the sunbed. She was already off the sunbed, running in that direction. Ijust decided to run straight down the beach into the sea. Run straight down the beach into the sea. I could still hear everything still going on. You neverforget that sound. We could hear you breathing deeply to steal yourself when you walked in that place. Breathing deeply to steal yourself when you walked in that placem brought a lump to my throat again, seeing it again, but i definitely feel better for the experience of going back. Ive always said this isnt for everybody, but ijust started to doubt things in my mind. Did i really see what i saw . Did that really happen to me . I was conscious when people were asking what happened to me i did not want to give a fisherman s tale. Because i couldnt believe it myself, what had happened. So the opportunity to go back and meet the people who were significant to my story, my particular story, mohammed and monster, the people who were integral to my survival. I would not be here if it wasnt for those people. Monsef. Be here if it wasnt for those people. Monsef. What happened . Mohammed definitely pulled me into the boat and saved my life. Monsef was throwing debris at the gunman, that distracted him, i was stopped from jumping over the wall. It put all of the pieces back together. It is all a part of myjourney. All of the pieces back together. It is all a part of my journey. Thank you for talking to us today. No problem and pleasure to meet you. Thank you for coming onto the programme. We appreciate it. The coroner will start to deliver his conclusions on how the 30 britons died in around 25 minutes. Judge Nicholas Loraine smith is expected to say that all 30 brits were unlawfully killed. Hell also examine whether the uk government and travel firms failed to protect british tourists. Hes also expected to reject a request to rule neglect was a Contributory Factor in their deaths. Well bring you those conclusions as they happen throughout the programme. Our correspondent ben brown will be outside the Royal Courts Ofjustice throughout the morning for us. Still to come a rare type of heart attack that mainly affects young women. Well be talking to two mothers, one who is one of the youngest people in the uk to survive this kind of attack. One had a heart attack ten hours after giving birth, the other had a heart attack the day after running a ten kilometre run. And travelling into space. Two tourists have paid to be sent round the moon; the mission next year should take about a week. Heres a summary of todays news from the bbc newsroom. The inquests into the deaths of 30 british tourists, who were murdered by an islamist gunman in tunisia two years ago, will conclude this morning. They were among 38 People Killed near the resort of sousse. At the hearing, at the Royal Courts Ofjustice, the coroner will explain why he has rejected a request by many of the bereaved relatives to rule that neglect contributed to their deaths. A bbc investigation has revealed there were more than 20,000 allegations of abuse made against Home Care Workers over the past three years. Many of the cases involved neglect but there were also allegations of physical, psychological and sexual abuse. The uk Home Care Association has described the findings as horrifying, but says the system is under extreme pressure. Simon bailey has said paedophiles who pose no physical threat to children shouldnt be prosecuted. He said the system had reached Saturation Point because of the repeated cases of abuse. He said lower level cases should not be decriminalised should be decriminalised should be decriminalised in preference of rehabilitation. The Prison Officers Association has announced more Industrial Action Injails in england and wales. Members are being told to withdraw from voluntary duties in a pay and pensions dispute. An overtime ban will also be phased in from april. Its understood the union has been warned it will be taken to court if the action goes ahead. The Un Childrens Agency says thousands of unaccompanied child refugees are being subjected to violence and sexual abuse on their away from africa to europe will stop to europe. A report by unicef says nearly 26,000 children made the Dangerous Sea Journey from libya to italy in 2016, twice as many as the Previous Year and nine out of ten were travelling alone. Its calling on the International Community to do more to protect migrants. Spacex has announced plans to fly two people around the moon. The pair had already paid a significant deposit but were not celebrities. If successful the trip would be the first trip in over a0 years. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news more at 10. 00. We have some comments on personal Independence Payments. Alexandra says, iam Independence Payments. Alexandra says, i am a5, i Independence Payments. Alexandra says, iam a5, i have Independence Payments. Alexandra says, i am a5, i have depression, personality disorder, and have a brain tumour which has left me with terrible seizures on a weekly basis. Iam underthe terrible seizures on a weekly basis. I am under the Mental Health team and a specialist for my seizures. Ive had my personal Independence Payments put down from the highest rated, which i need, to the lowest. And having to go to court now to claim it back. Even letters from a specialist say i need the highest rate and im unable to work. Im now in debtand rate and im unable to work. Im now in debt and trying to level 300 pounds per month. Ifeel in debt and trying to level 300 pounds per month. I feel really let down. I never asked for this. Pounds per month. I feel really let down. I neverasked forthis. I a lwa ys down. I neverasked forthis. I always worked up until i became ill. Sharon says i suffered ptsd after a bad car accident a couple of years ago. I still have anxiety and depression and im on medication. I was recently awarded pip which was helped a lot. I would be devastated if it stopped. Some days i cannot leave the house. I have a visit every day from a psychiatric nurse which helps greatly. We will talk more about the governments plans about pips. Katherines here now with the sports headlines. Leicester have pulled themselves out of the Relegation Zone with a 3 1 win over liverpool last night. Danny drinkwater scored this great goal. And there were two, as well, for jamie vardy as leicester won their first game after the dismissal of manager Claudio Ranieri. The crowd had a March Of Celebration to thank Claudio Ranieri for all he achieved for them. David haye and tony bellew had to be kept apart as they met in liverpool ahead of their heavyweight clash on saturday. The pair came to blows with the last met at a Press Conference in november. World rug by conference in november. World rugby says it is too early to speculate whether there will be a rule change after italys tactics in their six nations defeat to england on saturday. There was confusion among the england players with italys calculated plan which frustrated eddie howe. More later. Thanks very much. This morning women whove had Heart Attacks in their 30s and survived. Catherine becks was 37 years old when she had a heart attack she was 9 months pregnant at the time and gave birth 10 hours later to a happy and healthy baby boy, harry. He is now 18. Kate alderton had her heart attack at 30 the day after taking part in a 10k run shes one of the youngest women to ever survive a heart attack in the uk. They both had a type of spontaneous heart attack called scad which mainly affects healthy, young women. Cardiologist david adlam is trying to raise awareness of the rare condition and hes also with us now. And kate, tell us what happened. It was Saint Patricks day 201a. I ran a ten was Saint Patricks day 201a. I ran atenk was Saint Patricks day 201a. I ran a ten k race the day before. That was nothing unusual. I have done a lot of running. I work up, i felt fine, i went downstairs, ive got two little ones, i made them brea kfast. Two little ones, i made them breakfast. As i started to make my own breakfast i had a chest pain which went on for quite a while. I was quite short of breath. In hindsight, looking backi was quite short of breath. In hindsight, looking back i had the classic Heart Attack Symptoms but you dont expect it at 30. I had numbing down my left arm. Chest pain. Shortness of breath. The chest pain. Shortness of breath. The chest pain got worse. After half an hour i called my husband. He came home from work. He saw me and he rang in ambient straightaway. At that point i still thought it was a chest infection. The paramedics came. They initially thought i was having an Anxiety Attack because of my age. Because i kept holding my chest the paramedics did an ecg. And he said there are some abnormalities. She said if we were if you were older we would think you are having a heart attack. But we will take you injust in case. When i went and i was met by a cardiologist. At this point i could not understand why they were talking about hearts. I still thought i had a chest infection. I was in the lab for two hours. They were looking at my arteries. They kept talking to me, kept showing me pictures of the heart, couldnt understand it. It wasnt until later that where i was sat with people in the coronary heart care unit, people who were a lot older than me, and it dawned on me that there was a problem with my heart and i was told id had a heart attack. Extraordinary. Clearly you survived, but there is damage to your heart, we will talk about that ina your heart, we will talk about that in a moment and what changes you have had to make. Catherine, your case is different, you were nine months pregnant at the time, what happened . Months pregnant at the time, what happened . Catherine months pregnant at the time, what happened . Catherine becks. Months pregnant at the time, what happened . Catherine becks. Like kate. I woke up feeling very thirsty, chest pain, numbness down the left arm, i went downstairs, had a drink, just felt very tight chested. I felt i needed to get to the hospital. I had an inkling that it was crucial for me to get to the hospital. At the time we only had one mile from a hospital. I went, hospital. At the time we only had one mile from a hospital. Iwent, i was told to wait, i was looked on as a lady about to go into labour. I was pacing the floor. I knew i wasnt in labour. Just was very focused on this vice like chest pain. Iwas focused on this vice like chest pain. I was taken to the maternity floor. I became very unwell. They then decided that to put monitors on then decided that to put monitors on the baby. They did an ecg. It showed my heart was in trouble. I was brought into another room. I was in and out of consciousness. I was very unstable. In and out of consciousness for quite a while. Then they decided to transfer me to southampton general. I was moonlighted down there with two doctors in the ambulance, as well. I was then stabilised. Because it was such a long time ago, this was, well, itll be 18 years this june, such a long time ago, this was, well, itll be 18 years thisjune, i dont think they knew quite what to dont think they knew quite what to do regarding the pregnancy. Approximately ten hours later i think they decided it was crucial to get the baby out. I was given a General Anaesthetic and emergency caesarean. And, yes, fortunately harry was born fit and well. Doctor adler, you have let research into these kind of attacks, what can you tell us that you have learned so far. Doctor adlam. Tell us that you have learned so far. Doctor adlam. Catherines story is telling. These conditions are often unrecognised under recognised. And diagnosis can sometimes be delayed. It is one of the things we are trying to do on a rare disease day, raise awareness of conditions like spontaneous, rory Artery Dissection spontaneous co ro nary Artery Dissection spontaneous coronary Artery Dissection. It is nothing to do with cholesterol like the normal Heart Attacks we are very familiar with. What happens in this case is you get a bruise which forms on the wall of the coronary artery and it squashes. If you think about and it squashes. If you think about a bruise in your shin and how tense that feels when the Pressure Rises, it does the same thing. The Pressure Rises and it compresses the artery from the outside. That is what stops blood flowing to the heart muscle and causes these ladies to have a heart attack. It is a very different course for a heart attack. As a result its important to recognise and identify patients who, if you like, are rather different from those patients we usually see with Heart Problems presenting to hospital. Absolutely. Kate, there was damage to your heart, what changes have you had to make to your life as a result of that . Do you think a day after day, the same thing could happen every day, is that a major worry . I think about that a major worry . I think about that every day. Its made a huge impact. I feel more tired than i used to do. I left it so long to get help because didnt expect it to be anything to do with my heart. That is why i have so much damage. A lot of survivors talk a lot about finding a new normal. I think that summarises it quite well. It is gaining that confidence with your body when you have lost it. And the tiredness is hard. I think, as well, because you look normal, you are young, people dont expect it, when young, people dont expect it, when you say youve had a heart attack it is quite a shock to people. It is the adjusting. What changes have you made, catherine . Yours was 18 years ago. Can you still hear me . Sorry, i didnt get that last bit. Yours was 18 years ago. What changes have you made in your life over those years . Basically, it is a condition i have to manage every day. I do, condition i have to manage every day. Ido, i condition i have to manage every day. I do, itake condition i have to manage every day. I do, i take three tablets a day. I do, i take three tablets a day. But im careful. I go to the gym. I look after my health. I make sure i have enough rest and sleep. My body will let me know quickly if im not getting enough rest. You know, im working. Im a Parent Advisor now and i really help other parentsjust to, advisor now and i really help other parents just to, you advisor now and i really help other parentsjust to, you know, i have been there when times are very tough and it is very isolating so i really support them with a mentor as well. I live as normal life as possible. 0k. Well, i live as normal life as possible. Ok. Well, thank you for talking to us ok. Well, thank you for talking to us today and telling us about this condition. With just over two weeks to go before the dutch election, an anti islam politician called Geert Wilders is leading the polls. So why do so many people in this usually liberal country support him . A lot of people call him a racist, but he is not a racist, because he said if you are foreign, you can stay here, but just follow the rules. Who did you vote for last time . The Prime Minister, mark rutte, twice. Why not this time . I do not believe him anymore. I voted for the cda. They will not do anything at all, i do not believe them anymore. I hope Geert Wilders will accomplish something. When you are here, you have to accept certain things of our culture. For example, i am gay, i have a boyfriend, i cannot walk hand in hand with him on the street. I will not be safe. I am in a country where i used to be safe. I go for Geert Wilders, because holland must be a power again. It is not muslim, it is not every other kind of belief, religion. We are dutch. A lot of politicians disagree with it, but they did not stand up against him, and therefore it has become more and more normal to say these things. More people are starting to believe it, because it is not challenged. A lot of people are going to vote for him, but he will not be the president , because nobody wants to work with him. That is a shame. Those elections are on 15th march. Downing street has defended plans to limit access to a key disability benefit, saying that nobody is losing out. A benefits tribunal had ordered the government to extend its personal Independence Payments system to include people with Mental Health illnesses. The government says that would add £3. 7 billion to the benefits bill by 2023 and it now intends to change the rules around pips instead. George freeman, a tory mp and head of the number ten policy unit, caused outrage by saying the reason the changes were being made was to make sure Benefit Payments went to really disabled people rather than those who suffer from anxiety. Looking truth on the Disability Budget is we spend £50 billion a year on Disability Benefits and what were trying to make sure is we get them to the right people who are most in need. You didnt mention the twea ks a re most in need. You didnt mention the tweaks are actually to do with rolling back some bizarre decision through the tribunals that mean benefits are being given to people who take pills at home. Who suffer from anxiety. We want to make sure we get the money to really disabled people. The people who need it. Lets talk now to labour mp and Shadow Work And Pensions Secretary debbie abrahams. And 27 year old james downs who receives pip for severe anxiety, ocd and an eating disorder. Hes also a student at cambridge university. Alexandra got in touch. She receives pip for depression and personality disorder. James, the head of mrs mays policy unit said, pip should be for really disabled people. In the past you have had anxiety, depression and ocd and an eating disorder. Is that really disabled . think these comments really concern me because living with severe Mental Health problems like i have for over a decade really is not something thats, you know, a small matter. Its something thats really, really serious and eating disorders which is the main thing that i have struggled with, anorexia and bulimia, they have the highest mortality of any Mental Health problem. This is something thats really serious and in this country people with Mental Health problems die between ten and 20 years younger than other people. If thats not really a disability then im not really a disability then im not really sure what is and i think to have this comment coming from somebody so senior in the government is just really concerning about the attitude that says, you know, physical Health Problems are real, but Mental Health problems, theyre not really quite as real or deserving of support and we really need to be supporting people with Mental Health problems because they can Mental Health problems because they ca n recover Mental Health problems because they can recover too and its a good investment to pay them whats a small amount of money for them to gain their independence and live normal lives. Alexandra what do you think of the comments from the head of mrs mays policy unit . Oh, iwasjust absolutely devastated. I honestly felt like id been kicked in the teeth. Why . I have currently lived with my condition for 12 years now andl with my condition for 12 years now and i have had ups and downs and then got diagnosed with a brain tumour thats left me with severe daily seizures and i still got taken off the highest rate three months ago to the lowest rate and im now trying to live on £300 a month, getting into debt and i got turned down at the tribunal, im now having to go to court. I have letters from my specialist from sheffield hospital, from my Mental Health team, all stating that there is no way i can work currently. Id love to go back to work. I cant. Im uninsurable as well which is the medication im on. Ok. Let me bring james back in. You too went to a tribunal, but you won it. They ruled in your favour saying you should receive enhanced rates of this payment. This is what the government is now fighting. It doesnt want to give you this. Why do you need this benefit to live a full life . give you this. Why do you need this benefit to live a full life . I mean, i need to have the pip because i use it really to pay for therapy which i have privately. I had a real struggle it get any therapy in the nhs. It took nearly seven years it get any specialist trelt for really severe anorexia because i was too u nwell severe anorexia because i was too unwell for any treatment which doesnt make much sense to me. But i have had a great damage in my trust with the nhs and i have had pretty much all that they can offer me. So i have to seek therapy and support privately. There is no long term therapies in the nhs that im able to access. It seems to be very short term interventions and thats not really suitable for a long term condition like mine which is very complex and entrenched and look a long time to get help. So if i didnt have the pip i would be really concerned whether i could continue having therapy and all the recovery that ive really worbed ha rd recovery that ive really worbed hard would be put at risk and i think if therefore, i had a relapse, and was back to going into hospital, into a e all the time with low potassium and potential Heart Failure and Mental Health crisis with the crisis team having to pick up with the crisis team having to pick up the piece, thats going to be more expensive than paying me this amount of money to maintain my health. It is a really short sighted decision. Let me bring in labour mp, debbie abrahams. The government say they are not cutting pips to people who currently get them. So whats the wrob . 164,000 people with chronic Mental Health conditions will be affected and youre right thats about £3. 7 billion. The government in 2015 said that psychological distress to dutch a debilitating extent that it prevented you from going outside your home, undertaking normal, every day activities was a factor that should be considered in the Pip Assessment now were rolling back on this like they did in 2016. Pip is there to help people with their extra costs. Scope estimate that an extra costs. Scope estimate that an extra £550 a month is spent on extra costs for people with disabilities, it may include somebody who may need a support worker to help them get out and have a as normal a life as possible. You mentioned the cost, £3. 7 billion, where would labour find the cash . Its about different decisions, different choice, we heard yesterday that the Resolution Foundation analysis showed that people on a the lowest income have borne the brunt of seven years of austerity compared to people on the highest incomes. Disabled people including people with chronic Mental Health and other conditions are twice as likely to live in poverty as non disabled people. What sort of society do wet want . We know that this sort of thing can affect anybody. Nine out of ten disabilities are acquired and we as a civilised society need to be doing better. George freeman, the conservative mp, the head of mrs mays policy unit said he thought it was bizarre that claimants with Mental Health problems or psychological problems who are unable to travel without help should be treated in a similar way to people who are blind. This is about enabling people as i say to live as independently lives as possible. Somebody with a physical impairment will need support in being able to live whether thats help with mobility. Somebody with a Mental Health condition will also need support to enable them to live as independently as possible. And as i say, youve heard james. Iwas speaking to one of your team earlier about their own son, about how he was affected and he has ended up moving back in with his parents. This is happening, you know, across the country. James, you want to come back in . just wanted to comment about the bizarre decision that people with Mental Health problems might experience difficulties in transport and going out and living their daily lives. I think its really surprising that even if physically somebody could walk down the road, there is no consideration in the system at the moment of whether psychologically thats actually really difficult and from my experience with eating and going through this process of applying for pip, im physically fit so they thought i could physically prepare a meal, but psychologically i cant do that so easily. There is a really big gap in the way theyre assessing this. I agree with that. It contradicts with the Prime Minister herself said that people with Mental Health conditions needed more support. It contradicts what the government has said. As others have said around a parity of he is seem. This is not fair and it is disgraceful. Spitfire says, anxiety can bejust disgraceful. Spitfire says, anxiety can be just as crippling as being physically disabled in some cases, more. E mailfrom physically disabled in some cases, more. E mail from andy, physically disabled in some cases, more. E mailfrom andy, Mental Health issues are disabling. However, they produce physical symptoms that also are disabling. It is just another example of the government trying to make work pay. It is modern day cruelty. This from clare, i have had a life living with the chaos caused by mental illness, symptoms include anxiety for which i take pills at home. This latest behaviour by the government just shows again how much it says one thing and demonstrates another when it comes to Mental Health. Thank you. Thank you for coming on the programme. We will continue to report on that. We will see if any decisions are made in the budget which is not too far away. We will have the latest news and sport in a minute. Before that, here is the weather. Colder than russia says one newspaper this morning just as spring comes this morning it was minus eight celsius in some places. We have got clear skies. Some of us have seen snow this morning. Look at these Beautiful Alpacas in derbyshire we have got snow in cheshire, in macclesfield and we have had snow this morning and you can see it lying there in shropshire, but blue skies as well. It has not been snowing everywhere. It was in cumbria. Look at the cloud here. It isa high cumbria. Look at the cloud here. It is a high feature as we go through the next few hours. Here is the beautiful picture of north yorkshire. What is happening is weve got this Weather Front here and its going to be sinking southwards and eastwards taking its showers with it. As temperatures rise, you will find any snow at low levels will be a thing of the past and it will be a high level feature. Showers coming in across Northern Ireland and dumfries and galloway, through parts of wales and south west england. The lions share of the sunshine will be across central parts of scotland. As we come south, again it will be mostly dry. Maybe just one or two showers. As in the north west, we will see fight a few showers. South east england, one or two showers, but through the midlands and heading towards the south coast, again we are looking at some of the showers merging. They could be wintry on higher ground. Through the afternoon, although we will see sunshine across south west england, were not immune to the showers, neither are we across south wales. You might see the odd bit of sleet. Northern ireland, bright spells and sunshine and showers for you. Quite a cloudy afternoon with one or two Brea Ks A Cloudy Afternoon with one or two breaks in southern scotland, but it is across the central swathe where weve got the sunshine and the wintry showers persisting across the far north. Through this evening, the first front makes it over to the east and clears off. Another one comes in from the north towards the south. So there will be showers around. Wintry across the far north of scotla nd around. Wintry across the far north of scotland and its going to be a cold night. These temperatures are indicative of towns and cities. In rural areas they will be lower. So you will have to watch out for ice on untreated surfaces tomorrow morning. But it does mean under the clear skies, a beautiful start for many parts. The wintry showers prevail across Northern Scotland and then we have got a Weather Front coming in from the south, bringing rain across the Channel Islands and into the South West Of England and wales and across the midlands and the south east. Behind that, temperatures will rise, but as it engages with the cooler air we could see snow again on higher ground. Move north of that, were back into sunny spells and a few showers and some of those will be wint ary. Temperatures five in the far north to 11 celsius in the far south. Hello its tuesday, ten oclock, im victoria derbyshire. Our top story today the coroner examining our top story today the coroner examining the deaths of 30 british tourists who were murdered in a Terror Attack in tunisia two years ago will begin delivering his conclusions in the next few minutes. The coroner has just started giving his conclusions. The court is packed with families eager to hear if there will be any repercussions for the Holiday Company involved to the relatives believe could have done more to prevent the deaths of their loved ones. Well be live with ben throughout the programme and well get reaction from survivors. Just stood there with his huge gun. Moving round all the people shooting. Just killing and murdering. Also on the Programme Criticism for the police chief who says low Risk Paedophiles should not be sent to jail. Iam i am proposing that we have to take a slightly different approach, whereby, and all individuals will still be arrested, but there are alternative Solutions Rather than putting these people through the court system. Reaction to come. And two private citizens have paid to be sent around the moon next year, apparently theyve signed up knowing the risks. Well speak to others on the waiting list. Lets go to the bbc newsroom with a summary of todays news. The coroner at the inquest into the deaths of 30 british tourists in tunisia is about to deliver his conclusions. An islamist gunmen carried out the killings at a Resort In Sousse in 2015. At the hearing, at the Royal Courts Ofjustice, the coroner will explain why he has rejected a request by many of the bereaved relatives to rule that neglect contributed to their deaths. A bbc investigation has revealed there were more than 20,000 allegations of abuse made against Home Care Workers over the past three years. Many of the cases involved neglect but there were also allegations of physical, psychological and sexual abuse. The uk Home Care Association has described the findings as horrifying, but says the system is under extreme pressure. Britains most senior Child Protection Police Officer has said paedophiles who pose no physical threat to children should not be prosecuted. Simon bailey said the system had reached Saturation Point, because of the increased reporting of sexual abuse and that lower level offending should be decriminalised in favour of rehabilitation. A doctor in leicester is investigating why some women suffer from spontaneous Heart Attacks at a young age. Spontaneous coronary Artery Dissection is an under diagnosed condition which can sometimes occur during pregnancy. It usually results in women suffering a heart attack without any warning. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news more at 10. 30. Becky has texted to say ive tried working for years while having chronic depression. Even though i was heavily medicated i was getting worse due to work and it was detrimental to my colleagues. Now im at home taking pills, to use that quote, and more stable, no longer a danger to myself, i am able to be properly medicated which was impossible in the past due to side effects. And an e mail from effects. And an e mailfrom debra, suffering from depression means you are an outcast at work, nobody understands or is interested, theyjust want happy people chatting about their social lives and seem to despise the person who is depressed and not part of the happy chatting brigade. Making it impossible for people with Mental Health conditions to be part of the working world. Thank you for those. Do get in touch with us throughout the morning use the Hashtag Victoria Live and if you text, you will be charged at the Standard Network rate. Heres some sport now with katherine downes. In theirfirst in their first game since sacking manager Claudio Ranieri Leicester City beat liverpool 3 1 to get their First League Win in 2017. Last that the players produced the sort of performance which saw them crowned champions. Before the game fans turned out to honour their sacked manager. Fans walked from the city centre to the stadium to show their gratitude to Claudio Ranieri. It took the removal of their manager for Leicester City to rediscover their form. For Leicester City to rediscover theirform. A great for Leicester City to rediscover their form. A great golfer danny drinkwater. Two from jamie vardy who previously had only scored five so far this season as Leicester City pulled themselves out of the Relegation Zone. The British Boxing Board Of Control has expressed unhappiness at david hayes comments that tony bellew will be risking his life when the pair meet in the ring this weekend. Some Flash Photography coming up. Tony bellew has described the sentiment as distasteful and disgusting. The pair came head to head again after a Press Conference in liverpool yesterday ahead of their fight at the o2 arena on saturday. That is all of the sport for now. Back to you, victoria. A judge at the inquests into the deaths of 30 british people in a Terror Attack at a Tunisian Resort is beginning to lay out his conclusion. A total of 38 people were killed when an Islamist Gunman Opened Fire at a hotel in Sousse On 26th June 2015. The inquest examined whether the uk government and travel firms failed to protect british tourists and also looked at whether neglect was a Contributory Factor in their deaths. Our correspondent ben brown is outside the Royal Courts Ofjustice. What has been happening . In the last couple of minutes the coroner has started to deliver his conclusions. He has started off with some remarks when he said he will not reach the conclusion that it was neglect that contributed to the deaths of those 30 british tourists in tunisia. The families of the victims have said that they want criticism of the Holiday Company, tui. Ona criticism of the Holiday Company, tui. On a number of counts they believe tui should have contacted Holiday Makers going to tunisia that there had been an earlier Terror Attack in the capital of tunis three months before. And also that the Holiday Company should have done more to that security at the hotel where the guests were staying, make sure the cctv cameras were working, and that there were armed guards. The family have also been critical of the Foreign Offices advice, and whether the Foreign Office warning should have been raised to tourists, telling them not to go to tunisia at all in the wake of the attack at the museum in tunis in March Of 2015 we re museum in tunis in March Of 2015 were 22 people were killed three months before the attack in sousse. We are hearing right now from the coroner. We will bring you his conclusions when we get them. I was speaking to the head of the metropolitan Police Counterterrorism command at the time of the attacks when british citizens lost the macrolides. It was the highest death toll from a Terror Attack since london 77. This was particularly challenging because many of these relatives had been there, of course, in the actual resort themselves. A lot of them had seen their loved ones killed in front of them by the terrorist. Nothing could be more, you know, more serious and more traumatic, really, than that, to see your loved one actually killed in a terrorist attack. That is why this was particularly difficult. And particularly challenging for some of the officers dealing with the families. Should and could the tunisians have done more to protect that stretch of beach and hotels, that stretch of beach and hotels, that hotel, and other hotels like it . Could this attack have been prevented . It . Could this attack have been prevented . The attack could have only been prevented by good intelligence and arresting perpetrators before they actually carried out the attack. Once the attack is happening and started, obviously people are going to die, sadly. But measures can be taken to reduce the impact of terrorist attacks. Whether those measures could actually have reduced the numbers of People Killed is an open question. Once the attack started it went on for a long time. The gunman was able to act freely for a long time without being stopped. What do you think of the Tunisian Police response to what happened . The Tunisian Police response, you know, could have been better. It is easy in hindsight to be very critical as to how they responded. But on the face of it, it did seem like a slow response. And a Faster Response may have helped save lives. What should be in place at resorts like that . If not to stop an attack happening to make sure the gunman, or gunman, are not free to run around that period of time . There are pleasures hotels there are measures hotels can put in place. Cctv, bettertraining there are measures hotels can put in place. Cctv, better training for staff, so that the response is faster and more professional. You can tail top terrorist incidents. You can train and equip staff to be prepared for it. And that can help when an attack actually occurs. But, obviously, as i stress, you know, those measures would not necessarily, in this instance, have reduced the number of lives that we re reduced the number of lives that were lost. But if you had more armed guards, more officers on patrol around the hotels, around the beaches, surely they could have intercepted that man. At resorts in places of the world where the threat is highest, where the Terror Threat is highest, where the Terror Threat is very high, armed guards and armed police in the locality can help in terms of response. It is easy in hindsight to say these things. An attack happening with so many lives lost. But it is important the hotels have an understanding of the threat, the local threat, as well as the regional and global threat. That was richard walton, who was head of the met polices Counterterrorism Department at the time of the attack. You have been covering the whole inquests. It is important for the families, what the coroner says today, because they are considering litigation against the Holiday Company involved, tui. He isnt going to consider that issue of a claim of neglect. That is clear. It isnt unexpected. The Coroner Intimated that is what he would say last week. Essentially, the barrister for the families of those killed, last week accused tui of gross neglect. One part was about the whole issue of security at the hotel. That tui hadnt carried out a Security Audit of it, even though there had been these previous attacks. He pushed hard for that. The coroner rejected it. And the barrister for tui the coroner rejected it. And the barristerfor tui denied it and said there was no basis of a claim for that. Now, my understanding is that at least 22 families of those killed will take this up in the civil court. They will put claims in for damages, personal injury, and fatal accident and want to take on tui in that way. The families here listening to the conclusions, the last few weeks has been harrowing. Listening again. And in some cases talking to the inquest about how their loved ones died. It has been extraordinary. I think a lot of the survivors, and the people whose husbands, wives, brothers, were killed were incredibly brave. They stood up and gave evidence. One woman in particular who lost her father, her brother, and her oldest son, standing up and basically describing their macrolides. Very, very, very difficult. Hugely emotional. Their lives. It was impossible not to shed a tear. Very difficult for them. Something that has emerged is the behaviour of the Tunisian Security forces. The inquest had been hearing how they delayed their arrival at the scene for so long. It was three quarters ofan hour, for so long. It was three quarters of an hour, more or less, before armed Tunisian Police got to the scene and killed the gunman. This was one of the most important pieces of evidence given during the inquest. It came from a tunisian investigation by a tunisian judge. That report was summarised. We heard it in the inquest. It was totally extraordinary. There was a Tunisian Police unit armed with automatic weapons, with body armour, in a four by four vehicle, who were literally minutes, maybe just about three minutes, maybe just about three minutes away, from the site of the attack at the time of the attack beginning. What did they do . They did not move towards the attack to try and take up the gunman, they went in the opposite direction. They claimed they needed more weapons and more body armour. They had those weapons, they had magazines with ammunition, they had body armour and helmets. They could have gone in. They didnt. One of their officers was quoted as saying that this was an act of simple cowardice. Other units did the same thing. There was a unit on a quad bike. There was a unit with armed policemen on horseback. They will one kilometre further away. They could have got there quickly. They didnt. The judge in the tunisian conclusion was that they deliberately slowed down and only arrived after it was far too late. Thanks very much. We will be hearing the coroners conclusions in the next few minutes. The families listening out for any criticism implied or otherwise from the coroner of the Holiday Company, tui, but also of the Foreign Office their Travel Advice, and also of the Tunisian Security forces, as well. Thats the latest from the royal court of justice. Olivia leathley spent nearly two hours barricaded in an office after fleeing the sound of machine gunfire outside. I want to talk about what you learned from the inquest. A lot of information was new to you, like what, for example . Im actually slightly in shock. Ive just heard the recent summary from the coroner. I cant believe it. I cant believe they were so close. We were lucky. All of those families and friends who lost that many people and they we re who lost that many people and they were that close. The Police Officers. The Tunisian Hotel employees were standing in front of people theyd never even met and they showed more bravery than people who had something to fight back with. And im just. Who had something to fight back with. And imjust. Iamjust who had something to fight back with. And im just. Iam just at who had something to fight back with. And im just. I am just at a loss at the moment. It has come as a Com Plete Loss at the moment. It has come as a complete shock. And you had no idea until the inquest. I had complete shock. And you had no idea untilthe inquest. I had no clue, really, about. Could it have been prevented . Really, about. Could it have been prevented . I dont think any Terror Attack is ever going to be Preve Nta Ble Attack is ever going to be preventable and that is the sad truth. Some are. There are things i didnt learn about until today. I was hoping from the inquest that precautions would be put in place. Better protocol. Better training for staff. More information for tourists about what to do. That is what i was hoping to come from the inquest and hopefully some closure for the families. I cannot believe they turned around and drove away. I really hope they cannot live with themselves because there are people who are not alive now. It could not have been prevented in your view, but british tourists could have been better protected. Yes, i think so. We were aware there has been a previous attack in the capital. We did read up on things and find out what was going on. But we thought because we are here, so far away from the capital itll be fine, you know, but i was just hoping that there would be better Security Measures put in place after Something Like this. Families who lost relatives wanted the coroner to say today their loved one, it was the conclusion of Unlawful Killing, with neglect. The coroner has made it clear he isnt going to say that neglect was a contributing factor. What do you think about that . Neglect was a contributing factor. What do you think about That7m Neglect was a contributing factor. What do you think about that . It has got to be the most impossible situation for those families. They need to find somebody culpable. They need to find somebody culpable. They need to find somebody culpable. They need to be able to get some closure. And i believe that, unfortunately, we cannot put that man on trial. We cannot watch him the punished to the full extent of the law. We cannot find peace and closure in that. It is awful that we cannot do that. It is awful that we cannot do that. It is awful that he got away with it, ina is awful that he got away with it, in a sense. We are lucky we are still here. Ijust hope that throughout all of these court proceedings, and things that they are doing, that it is quick and easy and they get their results and the closure they need. We will get more from ben brown who was outside the Royal Courts Ofjustice. From ben brown who was outside the royal courts of justice. Prison officers at jails royal courts of justice. Prison officers atjails in england and wales are taking part in industrial action again from tomorrow in a dispute over pay and pensions. We will bring you more on that. And low Risk Paedophiles who view indecent images of child sexual abuse should not be prosecuted, according to simon bailey, unless they pose a physical threat to children. Simon bailey, the National Police chiefs lead on Child Protection says people who are not in contact with children and have been looking at what he calls low level and have been looking at what he calls low level images online should be cautioned, rehabilitated, and put on the sex offenders register. So, he says, the police can focus on the most dangerous paedophiles. I think there is a clear message that im giving today. The Police Service working with the National Crime agency has never been so National Crime agency has never been so robust in this field. We are arresting over a00 men every month. We are safeguarding over 500 children every month as a result of targeting those people who we view who view indecent images of children. Fact is, we are becoming inundated with the amount of referrals you having to deal with, and the number of cases which our Child Protection teams are having to cope with. We have sophisticated Risk Assessment tools that i am as confident as i can beat will be able to determine whether or not an individual poses a risk of contact abusing a child. And when you look at the number of resources we now have working within this field, you look at the numbers we are having to deal with, i am look at the numbers we are having to deal with, Iam Proposing look at the numbers we are having to deal with, i am proposing that we have to take a slightly different approach whereby and all the individuals will still be arrested. But there are alternative solutions, rather than putting these people through the Courts System who are now dealing with between a0 and 50 of their time on allegations of sexual abuse, unfortunately. Cases are taking too long to get to court. We must look at an alternative whereby those individuals we assessed as posing little risk to children of contact abuse have to attain some sort attend some sort of rehabilitation course. Have to attend a course whereby they are educated as to the impact of their abuse and their offending and they are not then put into the Justice System itself. The home office have responded by saying downloading and viewing Child Abuse Images is a terrible crime and should be treated as such. Lets get reaction from the chairand as such. Lets get reaction from the chair and co founder of a specialist Treatment Organisation for the prevention of sexual offending and nigel omara who experienced abuse asa nigel omara who experienced abuse as a child and now runs the East Midlands Survivalist Group who have for people who have been abused. What is your reaction . We need to think about what will be the most effective way to prevent child abuse from happening. What is happening is we have a uk wide network of therapists who can see anybody who feels at risk of anybody who has committed a crime of any kind. As well as preventing further crimes, well as preventing further crimes, we are also some instances, able to stop the first crime. As your other guest knows, the consequences of child sexual abuse are horrendous. We all need to doing everything we can to try and reduce and stop child abuse in the uk. But if you are simply viewing images of child sexual abuse, you have not had physical contact with a child, then you should receive a caution, rather than the full sanctions of the law, do you agree . They would be on the sex offenders register. Cautioned and on the sex offenders register. So, not charged with desertion of all viewing indecent images. The question is, there are 750,000 men in the uk with a sexual interest in children, according to the statistics. We cant lock them all up. 750,002 86,000 doesnt go. We have defined another solution. Provided it is effective, it might be a good way to go forward. Do you believe people who view indecent images of children being abused can then go on to abuse children . I believe they can and i believe they do. And i also believe that we are not really looking at the real issue here. The real issue is, over the last 30 years, the police have failed survivors, and the reason we have the backlog and the reason we have the backlog and the cases coming to court now is because they asked art in to act on something that they should have acted on 30 years ago. I agree with the lady that prevention is the best tool we have got, and they are one of the best people doing it. The fa ct of the best people doing it. The fact is, this is a problem that we have built into the system for 30 years. You would accept that police have made a lot of progress when it comes to dealing with the survivors of sexual abuse, and they are, they say, overwhelmed now, which is why simon bailey has suggested this. They are overwhelmed because they have failed to act for so many years. That may be so, but they are still overwhelmed and cant deal with people who are physically and sexually abusing children now, which is why mr bailey is suggesting that those who simply view, simply is my work, simply view images of children being abused should be treated with a caution, rather than charged and taken through the criminalJustice System. Every image of a child being abused means that a child has been abused, whether you are viewing it or whether you have committed the act yourself, by viewing it you are creating the market for it. Those people should therefore face serious commercial sanctions. If the police cant cope in. Then what . If the police cant do theirjob, then they need to be funded properly and properly resourced to be able to do their job. Properly resourced to be able to do theirjob. But the fact that these offe nces theirjob. But the fact that these offences are occurring doesnt change, just because you decriminalise a part of it. It means that those people who are abused in that those people who are abused in that situation then have no recourse in law. Can i come in . It is important not to decriminalise the viewing of Child Abuse Images. I ee, viewing of Child Abuse Images. I agree, for every image that is created, a child has been harmed. I wouldnt suggest that we decriminalise that. What i would suggest is, we offer therapy. My experience is that therapy can be incredibly effective in stopping people having the desire to act out, because many of the people we are working with and offering therapy to in the community have themselves been the victim of some kind of trauma in their history. Thank you both. We appreciate your time. This e mailfrom the both. We appreciate your time. This e mail from the wheeze, as a victim of serial abuse since the age of fourup to 13, of serial abuse since the age of four up to 13, louise, ifind simon baileys suggestion of Giving Leniency to paedophiles viewing online abuse as appalling. A paedophile does not care about the victim, whether they are in contact with them. I have worked in a secure hospital with paedophiles, they cannot be counselled to leave their perversion behind them. Every of them today was thinking about who and which sex their next victim would be. That them going. There is no low Risk Paedophiles. They start ata no low Risk Paedophiles. They start at a low level and quickly move on to abusing children. A senior policeman asked me if a paedophile can be rehabilitated. No is the answer. Thank you very much for this. Still to come. Families of the 30 britons killed in a Terror Attack at a Tunisian Resort are hearing the conclusions of an inquest after a six week long hearing. Well bring you all the latest live from outside the court and will also be speaking to the tunisian ambassador to the uk. And a plan by a us Aerospace Company to fly two private citizens around the moon. If the mission goes ahead as planned in late 2018, humans will be returning to deep space for the first time in a5 years. Well find out more. With the news heres annita in the bbc newsroom. Good morning. The coroner at the inquests into the deaths of thirty british tourists in tunisia is delivering his conclusions. An islamist gunman carried out the killings at a resort near sousse, in june 2015. The coroner is also due to explain why he has rejected a request by some relatives to rule that neglect by the Travel Firm Tui was a Contributory Factor. Some of the families involved have told the bbc that they are planning to take their case against tui to the civil courts. A bbc investigation has revealed there were more than 20,000 allegations of abuse made against Home Care Workers over the past three years. Many of the cases involved neglect, but there were also allegations of physical, psychological and sexual abuse. The uk Home Care Association has described the findings as horrifying, but says the system is under extreme pressure. Britains most senior Child Protection Police Officer has said paedophiles who pose no physical threat to children should not be prosecuted. Simon bailey said the system had reached Saturation Point, because of the increased reporting of sexual abuse, and he says that what he calls lower level offending should be decriminalised in favour of rehabilitation. The Prison Officers Association has announced more Industrial Action Injails in england and wales. Members are being told to withdraw from voluntary duties in a pay and pensions dispute. An overtime ban will also be phased in from april. But the Ministry Ofjustice says the action is unlawful and has warned the poa it will be taken to court if it goes ahead. That is a summary of the latest news. Join me at 11am. Katherines here now with the sports headlines. This was the pick the goals last night, leicester beat liverpool. Leicester winning their first game since the dismissal of manager Claudio Ranieri. The fans organised a March Of Celebration to thank ranieri for all he had achieved. The British Boxing Board Of Control has expressed unhappiness at david hayes comments that tony bellew would be risking his life. Tony bellew described the comments as distasteful. The pair came head to head again at a Press Conference in liverpool yesterday. World rug by in liverpool yesterday. World rugby says it is too early to speculate whether there will be a rule change after italys tactics in their six nations defeat to england on sunday. There was confusion among the england team. That is all the sport for now. Back to you, victoria. A judge at the inquests into the deaths of 30 british people in a Terror Attack at a Tunisian Resort is setting out his conclusions. In the past few minutes, hes said the response to the attack was at best shambolic and at worst cowardly. Fill us in. The quote you just read was very strong indeed from the koruna. The Tunisian Security forces, we heard during the inquest how an armed patrol who had a salt bustled rivals, they tried not to intercept the gunmen, because they Wa Nted Intercept the gunmen, because they wanted to get more weapons from the local police patient. He said their response had been, at best shambolic and at worst cowardly. The word cowardice was heard earlier on in the inquest. What the families are looking for is criticism of the Holiday Company tui. They wanted the coroner to reach a conclusion of neglect that contributed to the deaths of their loved ones. He said he could not do that. Neglect was not a verdict open to him, because that would have meant gross failure by the company involved, in terms of checking the hotel security. Richard galpin has been covering the inquest all the way through for the last six weeks. On the point of neglect, richard, this is the key. This is the families and relatives of the victims, they may well take litigation, civil claims for financial compensation from the Holiday Company. What the coroner saysis Holiday Company. What the coroner says is important to them. It may have an impact on their ability to bring those claims, or to win those claims, the fact that the coroner here has set aside, saying it is not possible to say, for gross failures you have to prove that. You also have to prove a high wrecked cars or link between the failure and deaths of those people who were killed in that attack. That is very difficult to do. They dont really have the evidence to be able to do that. My understanding from the barrister of the families. They will be looking for more evidence when they go through that process in the civil courts. They will want to find more evidence and witnesses. We must stress, tui strongly denies any neglect or failures. One of the points the coroner has been referring to is whether there should have been more guards at the hotel where the 30 british citizens lost their lives. For example, he was saying, the question about armed guards is limited by tunisian firearms laws. It would be difficult for them to have armed guards. Firearms laws. It would be difficult for them to have armed guardsm firearms laws. It would be difficult for them to have armed guards. It is not impossible. It is possible to get a license to do it, but clearly they werent at the hotel. There we re they werent at the hotel. There were only three guards there on the day. They werent trained. They didnt even have walkie talkies. One supposed guard was on the beach. The barrister for the families was saying he was the guy that handed out the cushions for the guys to sit on sunbeds. Not only did he not have a walkie talkie, he didnt have a phone to communicate at all. It was, as the judge said, utterly shambolic. Questions about the cctv cameras in the hotel as well. Whether all of that taken together, if there had been good cctv and a good number of guards, that might have been a deterrent, so the gunmen might not have attacked in the first place. Yes, the key point is, we heard evidence in the inquest that the terrorist cell responsible for the terrorist cell responsible for the attack had carried out reconnaissance on the hotel prior. They deemed it to be an easy target. So there is definitely that element, but still it is not enough to persuade the judge to include neglect, there is the need for the gross failure. To establish it, it would have made a difference with cctv, and it is difficult to establish. The strongest words have come about the Tunisian Security forces, at best shambolic, at worst cowardly. Strong criticism. I am not surprised, given what we heard from the investigation carried out by the tunisian authorities. One group of armed policeman effectively running away. They didnt go to the scene of the attack, which is theirjob. Their role was to protect two arrests in these resorts. They ran back, driving back to the headquarters, come armed spent eight minutes inside the Police Headquarters the commander spent eight minutes. The whole thing was a deliberate delaying tactic, because they were terrified. To be fair, in some respects, there is no excuse, of course, but they had no idea how many people were involved in the attack. Maybe they felt there were three or four different gunmen, and couldnt take them on, but it is not an excuse. Ok, richard. Thank you. The inquest heard that the armed police could have been at the scene within three minutes, but it was almost three quarters of an hour before they finally intercepted and killed the gunmen who had, by that time, already slaughtered 38 people, 30 of them british. The worst attack on british citizens, the worst Terror Attack since the seventh july 2000 and five. The coroner is continuing to deliver his conclusions. We will bring you more as we get it. Seventhjuly 2000 and five. The simple and tragic. The Police Response should and could have been effective, says the coroner this morning, he has not found a direct and causal link, he said, between the response of armed officers in the area, and the deaths. He is more detail about how the day unfolded. The a gunmen enters a Holiday Resort in tunisia and opens fire. Holiday makers flee across the sand. For half an hour, he is able to roam across the beach, enter the hotel, seeking out and systematically killing innocent tourists. 38 people died, 30 were british. The biggest loss of british life in a Terror Attack since the london 7 7 bombings. So called Islamic State said it was behind the attack, carried out by a tunisian student. Those who survived recall the horror of what happened that day. those who survived recall the horror of what happened that day. I just stood there, he had this huge gun. Moving around all the people, shooting. Killing and murdering. Ijust had my headphones on, and i heard some sounds. I thought, fireworks, like Everyone Else did. I turned and looked, my wife on the sunbed next to me, and she was already off the sunbed, running in that direction. I decided to run straight down the beach. Into the sea. Straight down the beach. Into the sea. I could still hear everything still going on. You never forget that sound. Now a coroners inquest has heard what factors could have contributed to the attack. One key area is the Foreign Offices Travel Advice. Three months after being targeted, it did not specifically advised Holiday Makers against going to tunisia. Instead, advice on its website stated further attacks are possible. A senior Foreign Office official has defended position. Part or most of the attack could have been prevented by tighter security with tour operated tui. Some steps were taken by the firm to keep guests say. The inquest also heard there was an unjustifiable delay by tunisian Law Enforcement units with some units taking 30 minutes longer than they should have to reach the scene. It heard this was due to simple cowardice. The Foreign Office now advises against all but essential travel to tunisia. We can talk now to nabil ammar, the tunisian ambassador to the united kingdom. Colin bidwell is back with us, he was on the beach with his wife when the attack happened. He was shot at and grazed by two bullets. And Richard Barrett is the former head of Counter Terrorism at mi6, and now the director of the global strategy network, which works with governments and International Organisations to combat extremism. What do you think of the Foreign Offices current advice that all but essential travel to your country is the latest advice . I think it is too tough. It does not reflect the correct situation on the ground. There have been a lot of improvements brought to Tunisian Security services. And more important than that, the whole country is much better prepared to struggle against terrorism. So there isa struggle against terrorism. So there is a new context in tunisia, and we would ask you to take into account this new context. What happened in tunisia could have happened everywhere in the world, including in the most sophisticated countries with the most specialised and sophisticated Security Services. It has happened, actually. Not that it could happen, it has happened already. We are only asking to be treated fairly according to what is the situation on the ground. You may know that we are between the us and uk when it comes to International Threats and terrorism. We do not understand why we are banned when we should not be and should be supported. Lets bring in Richard Barrett, does the ambassador have a fair point . I think it is true, terrorism can happen anywhere. Terrorists go. At targets. For soft targets. But the advice at the moment is not to say to british people, only go to paris for essential business, or only go to brussels for essential business. Exactly. And in london, too. Lets not forget, thats the case in 2015 . Yes. The fa ct of thats the case in 2015 . Yes. The fact of the matter is, there is a preparedness which tends to mitigate these attacks. If a terrorist sees that there is some protection around a target they will go on and move elsewhere, but i think if you just knock it down the road to the next hotel, you havent really gained anything very much as a country. So i think for tunisia and other countries which are prime destinations particularly for western tourists they have to have a whole area of protection which is enormously expensive and if you lay it on too thick i guess it puts tourists off as well. I wonder if you think with the deaths of 38, the murders of 38 people that day, the fa ct murders of 38 people that day, the fact that your tourist industry has been hit and countries like the uk, advising people only to go to tunisia unless it is essential that the terrorists have won . Yes. This is the wrong message to deliver to them. It is not all the countries that are banning tunisia from travel. They have their own citizens. We do protect our citizens as well. We are very conscious and anxious about the security for our own people as we are for our guests so we are own people as we are for our guests so we are not wanting tourists to come back again at any cost. We are saying that there have been a lot of improvements that have to be taken into account. Zero risk doesnt exist anywhere. If we are really serious about struggling against terrorism which is an International Problem that we have not cre crit add, we have not created the ideology, they didnt train in tunisia. So they need ideology and money and we are not responsible. When it comes to the chain of responsibility, i would appeal to all the wise people to all those who really wa nt all the wise people to all those who really want to know about the truth, and to go through the chain of responsibility until they detect who is responsible. But we, tunisians are apooling to our friends to show more solidarity with us to struggle with us, our security is part of their security. Let me bring in colin who was on the beach that day when the attack happened. How do you react to what the coroner has said so react to what the coroner has said so far that the response from the police at that time was at best sham bottle k and at worst cowardly . Well, think thats been Common Knowledge before today anyway. With some of the findings on some particular television programmes. I meanl particular television programmes. I mean i must say. Well, it is now official. The only thing i will say. How do you respond to that . Well, i still think it is a little bit of everyone. I dont think anyone is particularly to blame and this is just my opinion, but i must say the tunisian people on the day and the way they looked after the injured and everything was, you know, first class, you know, they have nothing to give, but they gave us everything. So well, it is the Security Services that were at fault. It is the Armed Police Patrols. It is not the tunisian people. Thats what the coroner is talking about, you know, the Armed Police Patrol just talking about, you know, the Armed Police Patroljust three minutes away. Yes. Instead of going towards those who were injured and dead, actually decided to go in the opposite direction to a Police Station to get more weapons. A lot of people who visited the area know there is around they are just around there is around they are just around the corner with some armed police and how they didnt get there, i dont know, but obviously the more it develops, the more we will find out. I dont think tunisia as a country should be punished. Richard as, asa country should be punished. Richard as, as a former professional, what do you think of that behaviour by those armed Police Officers . Well, i think it is lack of preparedness and it is lack of practise, you know, in this country for example, in and in many other countries and im sure in tunisia too, people do drills, you know and plan and prepare for such an incident as this. Fortunately, it is very, very rare, but when it happens, like in sousse injune of 2015, i mean, you know, its a very, very dramatic incident and everybody says we should have been doing morement to be fair to the tunisian people and to the tunisian authorities to prodict these things requires a great deal of intelligence work, of careful investigation and so on and then if you did get all that intelligence you did get all that intelligence you try and stop the thing happening rather than react for quickly. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you, mr ambassador. Prison officers atjails in england and wales are taking part in industrial action again from tomorrow in a dispute over pay and pensions. Members will withdraw from voluntary duties, including staffing tornado teams which respond to outbreaks of disorder. The government is threatening to go to court to stop the action saying it is unlawful. Peter dawson, whos a former Prison Officer and director of the Prison Reform trust is here. Alex cavendish, a former prisoner is on the line as well were not showing his face because he was targeted after previous tv interviews. He left prison three years ago. Thank you very much for coming on the programme. First of all, just remind our audience about this action and what you think of it. Well, i entirely understand why Prison Officers are so frustrated. A huge amount of damage has been done to their service over the last three yea rs by to their service over the last three years by the speed and the extent of the cuts the government has made. Industrial action can only make matters worse and it could put peoples lives at risk. I certainly dont support them in taking that out ot of the problems they face. 0k, out ot of the problems they face. Ok, what should they do . We hear about Public Services all the time that have rising demand and not enough resources to cope. But in prison, the demand for prisons is in our hands. Its about how many people we send to prison and how long we send them there for. So a huge part of the solution has to be sending fewer people to prison and not keeping them there as long. It is not necessary for rehabilitation and for some people it can undermine their chances of making a go of it when they leave prison. Alex, what do you think of the industrial action by Prison Officers . Well, i ta ke action by Prison Officers . Well, i take on board peters points, but i think we have to accept the present prison crisis is an entirely political construct. It is the result of years of cut, over £900 million cuts from the budget and unfortunately the levels of violence that were seeing in prison makes it an incredibly dangerous place for staff and prisoners alike. Sol an incredibly dangerous place for staff and prisoners alike. So i can certainly see what Prison Officers would not want to undertake volu nta ry would not want to undertake voluntary activities at a time when their safety cannot be guaranteed on a day to day basis. Their safety cannot be guaranteed on a daytoday basis. Do you agree with the government that it should be stopped by them going through the courts . I think its going to be very difficult to stop people not doing voluntary activities. You know, one can see it is not a strike. No one is suggesting that Prison Officers wont report for work. What theyre saying, they wont do are activities which are above and beyond their contractual duties. So i suppose in a sense, it isa duties. So i suppose in a sense, it is a work to rule. But i imagine that if the government really takes this to court the morale of Prison Office rs this to court the morale of Prison Officers is going to hit rock bottom andl officers is going to hit rock bottom and i think thats an extremely dangerous thing for everybody, prisoners and staff alike. Ok. Thank you both. Thank you both very much. Thank you for coming on the programme. A us private Rocket Company called spacex has announced that two private citizens have paid to be sent around the moon in 2018. The two unnamed passengers are said to be entering it with their eyes open, knowing that there is some risk. Richard garriott flew to the International Space station in 2008 as a self funded space tourist and i began by asking him what he thought of the fact that two people have paid for this once in a lifetime experience. It is incredibly exciting news and whilst the announcement was a surprise to me and i consider myself an industry insider, its the timing is not that shocking in the sense of this is really what this space industry and the commercial space folks have been trying to pull off for some years. It is great to see it happening now. How much do you think they will have paid for this trip . Well, you know, i dont, i dont have any inside information and elon hasnt said publicly, but my personal estimate knowing what the vehicle costs is somewhere between £100 million and 150 million a seat would be my personal estimate. Wow. So what sort of person will that be awe part from someone person will that be awe part from someone who is incredibly wealthy. If you ask anyone on earth, you know, would they like to go, if they could afford it and they thought it was safe enough, would they go and 80 of all people say yes to that question. And that means, you know, whether you can awe ford it or not, its still 80 and so, if you think of the thousands and thousands of highly wealthy people, people that have hundreds of millions of dollars, thats well below 1 , but thats still a lot of people so 80 of those people want to go too. So finding people who can pay to go and wa nt to finding people who can pay to go and want to go is actually not the hard part. The hard part is people to ta ke part. The hard part is people to take such a trip like this they have to retire from their businesses for a year or two to retire from their businesses for a yearortwo and to retire from their businesses for a year or two and if they, you know, for example a captain of industry to become that industry, it could affect the stock price of the companies they helment and so, taking time off is really a much bigger deal, a harder hurdle than the money. Theyre going to the moon. What will they see . First of all, only 12 people have gone to the moon and back and those all happened when i was quite young and so, you know, for the majority of people alive on the planet today, they dont remember a time when humanity went beyond orbit. This is extremely exciting from the fact that humanity is going to be returning to the moon and you know, if you go to the space station and things like i did, youre only 250 miles up. Thats not very far away really. No. And when you go to the moon, you know, youre hundreds of thousands of miles away. I think one of the first Amazing Things they will see is just the view of the earth from space which is life changing. Then as you travel to the moon, the earth will recede into the distance until it literally becomes the blue marble that is famous from the apollo pictures of that era and finally, the most spectacular part will be the arrival and trip around the moon before returning. Thank you for your comments on personal Independence Payments and whether they should be paid for Mental Health illnesses and also psychological problems. This texter says, my son has paranoid schizophrenia and managed to work for 17 years with people who accepted his limitations. He can no longer work aged a8. He takes strong antipsychotic drugs to cope and yet cannot claim pip. He struggles on minimum Benefit Payments. How majorly mentally ill does one have to be to qualify . Sam says, i have had a physical health problem. Cant get pip because im not disabled enough. Clearly, were going to come back it this issue. Do keep getting in touch with us with your own experiences. More throughout the day into the inquests of the 38 british people in tunisia. Lots of extremes on the Weather Front again today. We have had sunshine. We have had rain and snow in one or two areas, but overall for most of us today, anything that does come out of the sky will be rain. The rain will be passing through, i think, during the course of the afternoon across the midlands, central and southern parts of england and there will be showers around across these North Western areas. In between, sunny spells around. A changeable day, but i dont think it will be as changeable and as dramatic as we had yesterday. A breeze out there and then this evening, the skies tend to clear away. There is a ice risk like last night particularly across northern areas. As far as tomorrow goes, it looks like a fair bit of sunshine around at least first thing in the morning and first part of the day across these eastern areas, but in the south and the south west, we have a Weather Front pushing through so have a Weather Front pushing through so it does look as though its another one for the brollies across the south of the uk. Thats it from me. Thank you for watching. This is bbc news. The headlines at 11 iamat i am at the inquest into the deaths of 30 witty citizens who died in the tunisia massacre. 30 british citizens. At best shambolic and at worst cowardly a coroner condemns the Tunisian Police response to last years Terror Attack. The coroner is explaining why he has rejected a request by relatives of the victims to rule neglect by a travel firm was a Contributory Factor. Families are looking for answers. The police waited, they hate