the libyan red crescent described the scene as like a �*bombardment and earthquake�* at the same time. when the dams collapsed — a wall of water — weighing 1.5 million tonnes — crashed down the wadi derna river — gouging out huge parts of the city before reaching the sea. to give you a sense of the power of that tsunami — 20 centimetres of fast—moving water is enough to knock adults off theirfeet — here — there was three metres of water — sweeping away everything in its path. the human cost is colossal — this man hasjust found his son — and begs rescue workers not to touch him. desperate scenes repeated again and again — some people have lost 30, 40—50 members of their extended family. live now to tripoli. ahmed abar is a libyan activist. he's been helping the residents of derna. what are people in the city saying to you? what are people in the city saying to ou? ., ., , , ., ., to you? unfortunately the situation is very bad. — to you? unfortunately the situation is very bad. for— to you? unfortunately the situation is very bad, for the _ to you? unfortunately the situation is very bad, for the past _ to you? unfortunately the situation is very bad, for the past three - is very bad, for the past three nights it was very painful. it was not accessible for rescue teams to go there and try to do theirjob. unfortunately, as you mentioned, maybe this is the first time that libya has to face a similar natural catastrophe and that is why the technical teams lack the expertise, the specialised equipment to recover bodies and to respond soundly to such an incident. even, notjust that, but the road that leads to derna and the surrounding towns have been collapsed. this makes it very difficult to reach the people who are stuck beneath the destroyed buildings in order to save them. so far today we were kind of optimistic because there is a few international rescue teams have reached derna, the algerian and turkey rescue teams and today, we were able to save at least 300 survivors from derna however there are smaller towns near derna, and they are still very difficult to reach and to find accessibility to these towns. we have been receiving messages through sim cards, through whatsapp when the internet comes and becomes available that areas, they are saying they are stuck in their houses, there are families stuck together in the houses while the mud is preventing them from going out of the building. tell is preventing them from going out of the buildinu. is preventing them from going out of the building-— the building. tell me how traumatised _ the building. tell me how traumatised people - the building. tell me how traumatised people are l the building. tell me how- traumatised people are because i the building. tell me how— traumatised people are because i was talking a couple of hours ago to the head of the icrc libyan delegation and he said it is like a nightmare, i have talked to some of my colleagues in derna and they were totally shocked and traumatised by the scale of the damage, the things they have actually seen with their own eyes. they have actually seen with their owne es. n ., they have actually seen with their ownees. ._ 2 own eyes. actually, there's entire families have _ own eyes. actually, there's entire families have been _ own eyes. actually, there's entire families have been drowned - own eyes. actually, there's entire families have been drowned in - own eyes. actually, there's entire | families have been drowned in this incident, 20% of the city has been damaged. there was no preparedness for such a disaster. so far, we do not have a final number for the death toll and the missing people stop unfortunately, as i said before, is the first time libya has to face a incident, we lack the expertise to do so so even organising rescue efforts is tough. but it shows and proves the amount of solidarity among the libyan people, amongst the medical volunteers and the volunteers for the past three or four days however what we need now is this element in such difficult times as international solidarity in terms of technical teams, specialising equipment to save as many lives as we can, to recover the bodies with the best possible procedures in order to mitigate cross contamination.- order to mitigate cross contamination. . , ., contamination. that is what the ma or of contamination. that is what the mayor of derna _ contamination. that is what the mayor of derna was _ contamination. that is what the mayor of derna was saying - contamination. that is what the mayor of derna was saying and | contamination. that is what the i mayor of derna was saying and we will talk to some experts in just a moment but in terms of what you said, you talked about the people of libya being together and we know that two governments are still not working enough together to coordinate relief operations. as well as all the focus in terms of what is happening on the ground, reflect for me, is there anger amongst the libyan people atjust the infrastructure, the way the politics works, how this has actually happened? we have heard from one un body say so many deaths were preventable if there had been warnings in place? this were preventable if there had been warnings in place?— warnings in place? this is true to a certain extent, _ warnings in place? this is true to a certain extent, it _ warnings in place? this is true to a certain extent, it is _ warnings in place? this is true to a certain extent, it is true. _ warnings in place? this is true to a certain extent, it is true. the - certain extent, it is true. the political conflict has reflected negatively and in such a horrible disaster, the instability that is enforced by the political polarisation, actually created a lot of disastrous for the libyan people however this one is exceptional but the good thing that the solidarity from all of the people, towns from the west and the south, they immediately started to come forth and the immediate response towards their brothers and fellow libyans, those who were forced both political parties, forced both governments to respect their responsibility and the lives we are trying to save and force them to consider derna a humanitarian disaster as a priority. there is no politics here. there are still people seeking help and a lot of families wishing to be saved and some sort of opportunity and still there is time to save them. the libyan people communicated their message, the political leaders, the conflict and political leaders, both of them have heard that clearly and they have put the crisis as a priority, the response to humanitarian aid to quit libyan interests and the people of derna as the first priority and did not even think about the political statement or use politics to find some interest here and there. and this was clear from the first day and the people are still aware and they are still enforcing each local authority or each political speech, trying to take advantage or influence some sort of interest here and there. this unified solidarity, has successfully put those responsible political leaders into a corner and we will carry on to face them with accountability, to allow them to face the responsibility and so far, we're just trying now to focus on how to respond, we are focusing on the voluntary efforts, we are trying to organise, the international support in terms of responding to this crisis. i support in terms of responding to this crisis. . , ., support in terms of responding to this crisis. . ,., ,., , support in terms of responding to this crisis. . , ., . this crisis. i am so sorry to cut across you _ this crisis. i am so sorry to cut across you but _ this crisis. i am so sorry to cut across you but you _ this crisis. i am so sorry to cut across you but you mentioned | across you but you mentioned international support and i want to end it there so i want to move on to that. listening to you is a spokesman for the un office for the coordination of humanitarian affairs. let's turn to you and hear it straightaway in response to that, you were hearing what is required on the ground so tell me what you have been able to coordinate so far. thank you so much. let me tell you the news, in response to this horrible heart—wrenching disaster, we have just released a humanitarian flash appeal to mobilise international resources to come to the aid of these hundreds of thousands of people in libya who now need international support, there is no doubt about that. it is an appeal for a little bit more than 71 million us dollars. we aim, we hope, i would say, to reach 250,000 people with this appeal. that will run for three months. find with this appeal. that will run for three months.— with this appeal. that will run for three months. and how quickly can ou aet three months. and how quickly can you get aid — three months. and how quickly can you get aid to _ three months. and how quickly can you get aid to where _ three months. and how quickly can you get aid to where it _ three months. and how quickly can you get aid to where it is _ three months. and how quickly can you get aid to where it is actually l you get aid to where it is actually needed? ., , ., , needed? that is of course the critical question _ needed? that is of course the critical question right - needed? that is of course the critical question right now. i needed? that is of course the l critical question right now. the clock is ticking. we hear loud and clear call for help. international responders have rushed to the same, we have sent a very highly specialised team of relief experts, they are arriving and some have arrived and they are still coming in. it is difficult to get to the affected areas, they are coming in to help and support the authorities in place, the localfirst to help and support the authorities in place, the local first responders are very important. working with the red crescent society and others who are already there on the ground to help coordinate the response. they are already doing assessments in the field because we know there is a series of things that need to happen. it is very clear from the appeal that we have just launched that the life—saving health emergency is really what we need to address first. there is also and i want to emphasise that because you have just talked about it, the mental health issue. we know this has tremendous physical impact on people, we know for example children, they have been traumatised, there is no question. we have projects, programmes and partners to help mitigate that psychological impact that is so damaging in the long run. sea, psychological impact that is so damaging in the long run. a final thou~ht, damaging in the long run. a final thought. are _ damaging in the long run. a final thought, are you _ damaging in the long run. a final thought, are you including - damaging in the long run. a final thought, are you including in - damaging in the long run. a final thought, are you including in the j thought, are you including in the aid that you are sending, what you are pulling together, there is teams that the mayor of derna was saying they are desperate to have because they are desperate to have because they need experts in people to retrieve the bodies both from the sea, every time the sea comes and it is apparently washing and dozens of bodies, so many bodies under the building and the risks of infection and an academic, the mayor is so worried about that and the other part of the question to ask you is the political editor of the libyan observer says having two governments, one in the west and one in the east is hindering rescue efforts. is that practically getting in the way of what you are trying to implement? fin in the way of what you are trying to implement?— in the way of what you are trying to implement? on your first question i would say we _ implement? on your first question i would say we have _ implement? on your first question i would say we have from _ implement? on your first question i would say we have from very - implement? on your first question i would say we have from very early l would say we have from very early days, we are seeing an outpouring of solidarity from neighbouring countries and others who have sent in what we call urban search and rescue teams who have been doing the job, trying to extract people from wherever they may be trapped. it also needs to be said that one of the first request we got was for body bags. that is heartbreaking. they need to get it. it has been shipped, these are things that we can provide so we are sending that. we have a concern for health particularly because water sources have been contaminated and to prevent a secondary wave of disease and may be death, we need to ensure that people have safe drinking water. 0n the political aspect, we have seen both governments in the country come out and say we need to fix this, this kind of overrides the difference is that we have. we have seen medical consignment going from the western part and into the eastern part but at the end of the date these people are all from libya. date these people are all from lib a. ~ , ., , libya. we must leave it there but thank ou libya. we must leave it there but thank you so _ libya. we must leave it there but thank you so much _ libya. we must leave it there but thank you so much for— libya. we must leave it there but thank you so much for taking - libya. we must leave it there but thank you so much for taking the | thank you so much for taking the time to speak of us live from geneva. let's go straight to david eastman, senior director of the international medical corps, a nonprofit humanitarian organisation, thought to be the only international relief organisation inside derna at the moment, in london but talking to his teams on the ground. thanks so much for giving us your time so tell us what your teams are telling you? it's been quite a week, first morocco and now libya, the response that we have been addressing, i have been texting with our team in derna today. we believe we have heard from the authorities that we are the only international humanitarian organisation allowed inside derna to conduct an assessment. right now the team is working to a field hospital to see how we can support that, we are rushing in medical supplies from our base in tripoli. we have been in libya since 2011, the first international organisation to arrive international organisation to arrive in the conflict started and our libyan staff there are three strong relationships were able to be granted access into derna so i would love to speak with my colleague because we are ready to receive whatever supplies can be gotten to us. in whatever supplies can be gotten to us. , ., ., , ., whatever supplies can be gotten to us. in terms of what your people have found. _ us. in terms of what your people have found, everyone _ us. in terms of what your people have found, everyone that - us. in terms of what your people have found, everyone that we i us. in terms of what your people i have found, everyone that we have talked to on the ground simply stand byjust talked to on the ground simply stand by just the scale talked to on the ground simply stand byjust the scale of talked to on the ground simply stand by just the scale of the talked to on the ground simply stand byjust the scale of the disaster and the sorts of things they are seeing. is that true of your people as well? we seeing. is that true of your people as well? ~ ., ., ., ~ u, as well? we will have to take care of them, i — as well? we will have to take care of them, i think, _ as well? we will have to take care of them, i think, after— as well? we will have to take care of them, i think, after what - as well? we will have to take care of them, i think, after what they i of them, i think, after what they are seeing today. they have been sending me photos via whatsapp and it looks like a bombed out city that is also covered in mud. and what they are telling me is that there are bodies everywhere and we are in coordination with the red crescent, we have been speaking with them to see how we can work with them and alongside them but the challenges, the cell numbers are not very strong and coordination is difficult. working with authorities in finding local organisations, that is the priority right now, speaking with people like you to share the information and start attracting support because it is going to be important to prevent infectious disease, to provide health services. we are a leading mental health organisation so we will be integrating psychosocial services, people and children have seen their families torn apart, the town is 90,000 people, bypassing 300 was the official death estimate yesterday and that means one in 20 people died in the city and if it is reaching 20,000 it is extreme so this is the beginning of the life—saving services supporting search and rescue if we can. we will also have to put a band—aid on the health services and make sure people can access what they need for as long as we can. , ., , y access what they need for as long as wecan. , ., _ we can. obviously getting the sort of scale of eight _ we can. obviously getting the sort of scale of eight you _ we can. obviously getting the sort of scale of eight you need - we can. obviously getting the sort of scale of eight you need to - we can. obviously getting the sort of scale of eight you need to help| of scale of eight you need to help all those people who have survived as a huge challenge given the logistics and the broken infrastructure?- logistics and the broken infrastructure? �* ., , , infrastructure? and that is why we have not infrastructure? and that is why we have got to _ infrastructure? and that is why we have got to work _ infrastructure? and that is why we have got to work together. - infrastructure? and that is why we have got to work together. my - have got to work together. my colleague speaking and saying politics is not important right now and we need to work together to identify families that need our help and set those things up and bring in supplies and people to the country to really expand what they have on hand and reach those people as quickly as possible. just hand and reach those people as quickly as possible.— hand and reach those people as quickly as possible. just one final thou . ht. quickly as possible. just one final thought. because _ quickly as possible. just one final thought. because so _ quickly as possible. just one final thought. because so many - quickly as possible. just one final| thought. because so many people quickly as possible. just one final- thought. because so many people have had their lives simply wiped away, everything gone. for all of those people, where do they even start in terms of what they do now? we have seen pictures of people wandering around, looking utterly, utterly in around, looking utterly, utterly in a daze. , ., ., around, looking utterly, utterly in a daze. , . ., ., a daze. yes, i mean we are hearing of 10,000 — a daze. yes, i mean we are hearing of 10,000 people _ a daze. yes, i mean we are hearing of 10,000 people missing, - a daze. yes, i mean we are hearing| of 10,000 people missing, 20,000 displaced, ourteam of 10,000 people missing, 20,000 displaced, our team have seen that they are staying in schools, they need simple things like mattresses and support for the housing they do not have any longer. in our emergency responses we did the same thing in pakistan last year, going out to communities that were isolated by the floods, end up serving 150,000 last year in pakistan, we are seeing it again, reaching to those communities and working through community groups and getting services to them as quickly as we can. ., ~ getting services to them as quickly aswe can. ., ~ getting services to them as quickly aswecan. ., . as we can. david, thank you so much for bein: as we can. david, thank you so much for being here _ as we can. david, thank you so much for being here and _ as we can. david, thank you so much for being here and describing - as we can. david, thank you so much for being here and describing what i for being here and describing what you're doing on the ground. perhaps we can talk to you again in the coming days but for now, thank so much. so much more available on the bbc news website, that is regularly being updated, there is a page in libya and i urge you to look at some of the latest information. around the world and across the uk, you are watching bbc news. let's turn to a couple of stories making the headlines in the uk. greater manchester police have become the latest force to fall victim to a serious data breach. a company making warrant cards was targeted in a cyber attack, with the names and photos of officers compromised. england's only helpline for people coming off antidepressants will close. it was said people should be supported coming of this medication and the bristol tranquilizer project took calls from people across the country. john lewis says its plan to return to profit will take two years longer than expected after it reported further losses for the first half of the year. the high street giant, which also owns waitrose, said rising business costs and larger than expected investment requirements meant that its recovery plan would not be finished until 2028. you're live with bbc news. turning to an extraordinary story now. the bbc has learned that, last year, a russian fighter pilot attempted to shoot down a british surveillance aircraft carrying dozens of military personnel. the bbc has learned that, last year, a russian fighter pilot the russian su—27 jets were similar to these ones here. the kremlin blamed the incident, which happened over the black sea on a "technical malfunction". dr patrick bury is a defence and security expert at the university of bath and a former nato analyst. and hejoins us and he joins us live and every detail in this story is absolutely startling, isn't it? a missile was actually fired, and another one released and remarkably this rafjet left unscathed? released and remarkably this raf 'et left unscathed?d left unscathed? good afternoon, exactl . left unscathed? good afternoon, exactly- it _ left unscathed? good afternoon, exactly- it is _ left unscathed? good afternoon, exactly. it is the _ left unscathed? good afternoon, exactly. it is the kind _ left unscathed? good afternoon, exactly. it is the kind of - left unscathed? good afternoon, exactly. it is the kind of thing . left unscathed? good afternoon, j exactly. it is the kind of thing we fear which is basically a mistake or misadventure or communication happening when the stakes are so high and that is exactly what happened. it looks like the pilot, according to the bbc report, it is a when mansell potentially the junior of the su 27 pilots was sent up to escort and snap on the joint from the raf basically misinterpreted a command or an acknowledgement of communication from the ground staff which was you have the target, basically confirm that you have eyes on the target, it seems to be and then without further ado according to the reports it released a missile and then another one was released and then another one was released and luckily it fell and did not take and luckily it fell and did not take a path so it seems like a close—run thing, of course. a path so it seems like a close-run thing, of course.— a path so it seems like a close-run thing, of course. you mentioned the hrase thing, of course. you mentioned the phrase that — thing, of course. you mentioned the phrase that got _ thing, of course. you mentioned the phrase that got misinterpreted, - thing, of course. you mentioned the phrase that got misinterpreted, you| phrase that got misinterpreted, you have the target. was part of the problem here loose language because i know within nato and other western powers, the language is incredibly tight before any sort of missile is actually fired or is the problem a rogue pilot, a rather gung ho attitude? ~ ., ., , ., rogue pilot, a rather gung ho attitude? ., ., , attitude? what would you pinpoint? often with these _ attitude? what would you pinpoint? often with these things _ attitude? what would you pinpoint? often with these things it _ attitude? what would you pinpoint? often with these things it is - attitude? what would you pinpoint? often with these things it is a - often with these things it is a number of things when you have a failure like this. it is almost like a personality thing and a communication thing and a systems failure, it could be all of those if you know what i mean but i am ex military myself and certainly when the stakes are so high, and you get an order, one of the first things is to check that you have heard it correctly and basically read back, you know? it is called force procedure, you get an order, you read it back to the person who said it, do you confirm this? and if you have done this, his other partner in the team, the strike leader would have said no, do not do that because it sounds from the communication that the rivetjoint it sounds from the communication that the rivet joint was able it sounds from the communication that the rivetjoint was able to hear this in real time and after he fired the muscle he got a rollicking, as it were. as crazy as it sounds, it is incredibly serious. so many incredible details revealed, so much surveillance equipment on thisjet, they will so much surveillance equipment on this jet, they will have been hearing the arguments and hearing the discussions about firing the missiles that potentially could have killed them?— killed them? potentially yes, very cuickl but killed them? potentially yes, very quickly but it _ killed them? potentially yes, very quickly but it would _ killed them? potentially yes, very quickly but it would have - killed them? potentially yes, very quickly but it would have been - quickly but it would have been happening in quick time as well. so it wouldn't have been dwelling on it at the time, i presume. but the other interesting thing is this kind of thing happens in war, you can hear your enemy in real time, you are fighting the taliban as i did you could hear what they are doing on their radios so you can listen, thatis on their radios so you can listen, that is not completely novel, you often listen to things happening in real time. we often listen to things happening in real time. ~ ., often listen to things happening in real time. ~ . . , real time. we hear incidents with russianjets— real time. we hear incidents with russian jets relatively _ real time. we hear incidents with | russian jets relatively frequently, they buzz aircraft but i cannot remember a time when actual missiles were deliberately fired, can you remember an occasion other than this? ., u, ., remember an occasion other than this? ., ., ., ., this? no, i cannot from the top of m head. this? no, i cannot from the top of my head- you _ this? no, i cannot from the top of my head. you remember- this? no, i cannot from the top of my head. you remember things, l this? no, i cannot from the top of - my head. you remember things, back in the 50s went nuclear planes were breaking up and luckily the final fail—safe on the bomb, stopping detonation in the states, i think it was a famous case with the b 52, you get those with nuclear weapons but of the top of my head i do not remember an event when there was actually a missile fired. in this case, they are saying it missed, i presume that actually the rivet joint has some defensive capabilities which help that mess! which they did not tell us about. relatively briefly, are at their questions about fight the british were not clearer about the details of what happened at the time? ispiel]! were not clearer about the details of what happened at the time? ispiel!!! of what happened at the time? well i think at the time _ of what happened at the time? well i think at the time everyone _ of what happened at the time? well i think at the time everyone is - of what happened at the time? -ii i think at the time everyone is trying to play it down and if you look at the detail of what the statement was made, the russians came at the next day and said there was a technical malfunction, and others, we now know on the second missile, just potentially not on the first! i think the uk at that point was probably happy enough to go along and not escalate the problem further but the interesting thing is they have now deployed the typhoon fighterjets to escort the rivet joint is. that is a dangerous mission and the uk as i think the only one doing it with a crew there at the moment, the us used drones and they have had jones bounced on their back doing it now but these are dangerous missions, hence the extra protection. 50 are dangerous missions, hence the extra protection.— extra protection. so sorry to cut across you — extra protection. so sorry to cut across you but _ extra protection. so sorry to cut across you but thank _ extra protection. so sorry to cut across you but thank you - extra protection. so sorry to cut across you but thank you so - extra protection. so sorry to cut i across you but thank you so much extra protection. so sorry to cut - across you but thank you so much for your time. hello there. we've had quite a mixture of weather across the uk today. across the south, dry, sunny, quite warm. northern areas of the uk had a day of sunshine and these passing showers, but between — across wales, the midlands, into lincolnshire — we had a weather front bring some fairly persistent outbreaks of rain. now this front is tied to another area of low pressure out in the atlantic that is set to deepen and swing toward iberia, where it's quite likely to lead to some severe thunderstorms over the next few days. for friday, it also flicks warm air across england and wales, but then will bring some heavy rain for some of us into the weekend. that low to the south, it's quite important. 0vernight tonight, outbreaks of rain turning heavier for a time across wales, the midlands, northern england, pushing northwards to reach southern scotland and parts of northern ireland. for most, it's a mild night, but quite cool air across the far north of the country. now, we pick up on our weatherfronts on friday across northern england, northern ireland, southern scotland. through the day, the rain on it will tend to weaken somewhat. we've got sunshine developing to the south across england and wales, but underneath that band of cloud and rain in the north, those temperatures are going to struggle somewhat. highs of 13—15 degrees. in contrast to that, england and wales turning a lot warmer, 21—25 degrees, feeling a little on the humid side. now, saturday, the same weather front is still with us, draped across parts of northern england, wales, perhaps eastern counties of northern ireland. could be a few patches of light rain here and maybe a few heavy showers in the south through sunday. 0therwise, we'll get some spells of sunshine, still warm and humid in the south, with that fresher air still affecting scotland, northern ireland and increasingly the far north of england as well. for sunday, that area of low pressure near iberia starts to bring much heavier rain across parts of the uk. now we're most likely to see that heavy rain across england and wales. thundery, too, probably heavy enough to cause localised surface water flooding. and through the day, that will drive northwards, so it's quite likely to reach northern ireland. and there is a small chance of it moving right the way northwards into parts of scotland as well. but the general rule of thumb is the further north you are, the more likely you are to keep the dry weather with a bit of sunshine. into next week, well, it looks very unsettled. a sequence of low pressures coming our way. it's going to be wet and also really quite windy as well. it's going to feel a bit more like autumn. this is bbc news. the headlines — rishi sunak admits it will be hard to hit his targets on health service waiting lists as a number of patients needing treatment hits a new high. the uk opposition leader is seeking a deal with the eu's law enforcement agency on tackling people—smugglers if his party wins power. two women arrested during a vigil for sarah everard receive "substantial" damages from the metropolitan police. and it's good news for the red knot. the bird is part of a project to share millions of pound for government funding to help england's most endangered species. sport, and for a full round—up from the bbc sport centre, here's mark edwards. hello from the bbc sport centre. we start with cricket and a scintillating century from nat siver brunt has seen her write her name

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