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in recovering bodies, saying he feared the city risked an epidemic of infection from the large number of bodies under the rubble and in the water. the libyan red crescent described the scene as like a "bombardment and earthquake" at the same time. when the dams collapsed, a wall of water — weighing 1.5 million tonnes — crashed down the wadi derna river, gouging out huge parts of the city, before reaching the sea. to give you a sense of the power of that tsunami, 20 centimetres of fast—moving water, is enough to knock adults off their feet. here, there was three metres of water sweeping away everything in its path. the human cost is colossal — this man hasjust found his son — and begs rescue workers not to touch him. desperate scenes repeated again and again, some people have lost 30, 40, 50 members of their extended family. let's start by hearing from one survivor who describes what he went through. translation: we woke up at around three or 3.30 in the morning. - we heard a large bang. anyone who was awake in derna for sure must have heard it. the water was unbelievable. everyone could hear it coming. when we went outside, the city was gone. it had been raised to the ground. well, to begin with, there are about 14 or 15 families which were swept away by the sea. anyone who was in the valley was just swept away. nine other people who live directly on the coast are gone, may they rest in peace. the sea destroyed the corniche. we woke up to a real catastrophe. we woke up, we couldn't find anyone, we couldn't find anyone we knew. may god have mercy on their souls in heaven. the un's world meteorological organization has said thousands of deaths could have been avoided, warnings should have been issued leading to evacuations. if there would have been a normally operating meteorological service, they could have issued a warning and also the emergency management would have been able to carry out evacuation of the people and we could have avoided most of the human casualties. of course, we cannot fully avoid economic losses, but we could have also minimised there is losses by having proper services in place we've been looking at the path of the water, the destruction. let's get more from our verify team with rajini vaidyanathan. we have been going through some of the videos that have been coming into us at the bbc. it paints more of a picture of what happened in libya. this video shows you a coastal road and the aftermath of the damage in derna. huge destruction and as you've been talking about, a huge death toll. you can see how that coastal bridge has completely disappeared. also buildings as well, the force of the water just buildings as well, the force of the waterjust smashing into them. just to remind people of the geography here, this is the eastern side of libya, this is the city of benghazi which many people will have heard of. this is the mountain range and this is derna where most of the damage so far has been reported and most of the fatalities. we can bring you a close—up image of derna where you a close—up image of derna where you can see the red dots, the two dams which were breached in the you can see the red dots, the two dams which were breached in the wake of ston daniel, so the waterjust rushed towards the mediterranean, causing huge damage, huge force as well that came with it. if we come here, this is a ground—level picture from darren from 2016 —— from derna from darren from 2016 —— from derna from 2016. it gives you an idea of what the building looks like. we will move to satellite imagery and one thing is worth mentioning, the scale of the population density of derna. derna has a population of 125,000 people but officials we've spoken to said the actual number is closer to 200,000 when you factor in workers from other countries who have come to libya and also people from other parts of the country. you see the satellite image here, remember that we showed you the residential block here, we've put a red circle around it. this is the before and this is after. you can see everything we saw in that image presumably now has been washed away by the force of those floods. going back to the satellite image, remember the first video we showed you with the bridge over the road? that's what it was before, and this is the aftermath. we've also been looking at more detailed satellite imagery that has come into us today at bbc verify. this is a much more detailed picture of one neighbourhood in derna. we arejust going to zone in on this row of cars next to what we think would have been a block of flats. this is the before... just look at that. that is the aftermath. everything washed away in that area. the ex mayor of derna told our colleagues at bbc arabic that they think the worst force of the water hit at around 3am. if you go back to that picture, presumably many people were inside those buildings, they were fast asleep when that water caused this devastation. the other thing that we've been looking at here this afternoon at bbc verify is the un's damage assessment report. we've put that onto a map of derna and every dot symbolises a structure that the un has identified. most of those are buildings, some of them are bridges. the un says that more than 2200 structures were affected by the floods in derna. we've been hearing different figures for the death toll, some saying it could be more than 20,000. if you just look at some of the images and the scale of the destruction, it's hard to dispute that is going to be a very high death toll. joining me now is salaheddin aboulgasem, from islamic relief worldwide. thank you for being here on the programme. tell me what your teams are telling you. we programme. tell me what your teams are telling vom— are telling you. we got teams on the round in are telling you. we got teams on the ground in libya. _ are telling you. we got teams on the ground in libya. i— are telling you. we got teams on the ground in libya, i am _ are telling you. we got teams on the ground in libya, i am of— are telling you. we got teams on the ground in libya, i am of libyan - ground in libya, i am of libyan heritage so firstly our thoughts and prayers and feelings, our emotions are with those affected. i was talking to a friend yesterday from derna who was talking about the fact that more than 60 members of their immediate and extended family have completely passed away. it's similar to the reports we were just hearing, it's a devastating, catastrophic situation. it is changing minute by minute. as the water has rescinded, things are becoming clearer. we need to understand we cannot do nothing about what has happened, it's a catastrophe, but what we have to do now and our real message we're trying to give the international community as an aid agency on the ground and have an understanding of such scenarios is that we have to now prevent it becoming even worse. the death toll is going to rise, many people have died, but we now have to prevent and ensure that that number does not increase and the way to do that is to really push and encourage and support more aid efforts with organisations like ourselves to ensure that access is there to ensure we can reach those most in need. i'm talking to hospitals on the ground and people within the ministry of health about the shortages of items, about the fact that many of the hospitals have become like moorings so they are unable to do their day—to—day operations that are vitally needed. so many people are injured, it such a tragic and difficult situation we are working with. just a tragic and difficult situation we are working with.— a tragic and difficult situation we are working with. just about every statistic shows _ are working with. just about every statistic shows it _ are working with. just about every statistic shows it is _ are working with. just about every statistic shows it is colossal - are working with. just about every statistic shows it is colossal and i statistic shows it is colossal and difficult to get your head around, those figures in reality, but it's appalling, the situation on the ground. what is the greatest threat now for those who have survived, is at the lack of water, the lack of shelter or disease potentially? it’s shelter or disease potentially? it's a shelter or disease potentially? it�*s a multitude of many things in all honesty. there have been a few field hospitals that have been set up which is excellent. an element of specialism is needed, we need to understand the context of libya which has been well documented. the east has been heavily neglected, there is an absence of infrastructure and capacity. the people have the ability and know—how, they need to be empowered, we need to build the capacity of the local organisations, help and support them, give them the tools and resources they need, we are talking about medical needs, water, the fear and the major risk of infection is something that is a major priority. we need to also understand that over the next few days it has already started to happen, people are emotionally broken and we need to provide that extra form of care, we need to provide that psychosocial support and assistance. lots of people are starting to spread across the country in terms of displaced people, some are going to benghazi, the biggest city, in the east. people are going to the capital and we are finding lots of people are taking shelter and refuge in schools and so we are providing blankets and mattresses, we want to provide people with dignity as well with things like hygiene kits and tents to give families privacy. they have been through so much, we have to do all that we can. we are thankful to the support so far but we need a big international response. we need a shared compliance of understanding that this isn't something that's one to change overnight, one report was talking about billions of dollars that are needed. more than 30% of the city has been completely decimated, rebuilding of homes, rebuilding of infrastructure, so much need to be done and commitment is needed to maintain the support for libya for the long term. you are riaht to for libya for the long term. you are right to pinpoint— for libya for the long term. you are right to pinpoint the _ for libya for the long term. you are right to pinpoint the psychological. right to pinpoint the psychological impact for people who have survived, simply thinking and making a judgment, what do i do now? it's extraordinary to lose everything in almost a split second but in terms of the immediate task of trying to get family members together if they have survived, what helper you are able to give people? we have survived, what helper you are able to give people?— have survived, what helper you are able to give people? we were able to net our able to give people? we were able to get our first — able to give people? we were able to get our first aid _ able to give people? we were able to get our first aid in _ able to give people? we were able to get our first aid in yesterday - able to give people? we were able to get our first aid in yesterday which i get our first aid in yesterday which we were really grateful to our supporters to facilitate and help. that was blankets, mattresses, food items, i've been working hard with our teams here and with our procurement network and also on the ground in tripoli and benghazi, to work with the ministry of health and also to work with the hospitals to understand the medical needs that are required and we are working really hard to get the second load of items in. we are working around the clock, it's a really challenging situation, it's a country that's in a fragile state but we need to push all of that aside and just keep ploughing through, providing whatever help and support we can because the needs are many but we just have to do as much as we can. thank you so much forjoining us on the programme. there is so much information, pictures, video, accounts on the bbc website, the live page that is running on libya. we will give you regular updates and developments on that story. now to morocco, which is still recovering from friday's earthquake. there were moments of panic on wednesday, when an aftershock hit a village close to the epicenter of last week's quake. you can see the camera spinning around and people immediately reacting on the ground. this is one ofjust a number of reacting on the ground. this is one of just a number of aftershocks. there were aftershocks again this morning in marrakesh. more than 2,900 people are deadand at least 5,330 are injured, according to the latest official figures. the country has accepted aid from four countries — the united kingdom, qatar, spain and the united arab emirates — but resources from several other countries and the united nations remain on standby. 0ur reporter mimi swaby in marrakesh told us more about the aftershocks she felt this morning. yes, there were some multiple ones this morning in marrakesh and closer to the atlas mountains, which you can see behind me. these are really disturbing and complicated rescue efforts. there is some very dramatic movement of already loosened rock in these mountain areas, so recchi was trying to get underneath them to pull out what they presume are still remaining bodies under them, had to evacuate and abandon that mission temporarily due to fear. and that is a really big fear, the initial earthquake may have passed, but these aftershocks continue to pile on the fear day and day on. and in terms of the relief efforts, give us the latest. as i finished the introduction, i was still talking about certain restraints on aid from certain countries. why is that still at play this long after that earthquake hit? that is the question every moroccan is asking. they are saying, why is politics playing such a big role in this humanitarian disaster? people have food, they have water, but they really need tents. it's very hot today, as you can see, the sun is shining. but those mountains behind me, the atlas mountains, in just a few weeks will be covered in snow, the temperatures will drop and people will be bracing for winter. people are asking, we are ok now, we are surviving but what are we going to do in a few weeks' time when that temperature rarely drops? —— really drops? we can't stay in these tents. some people don't even have tents, they are under blankets put up with poles, sticks, anything they can find. so that aid is really welcome, it's needed, but moroccans are taking it into their own hands. there has been a huge outpouring of solidarity and real sense of national community. people have been donating blood here in marrakesh, for those injured mainly in that mountainous region. people have been driving to villages, really remote villages, sometimes putting their own safety at risk due to those falling rocks from above. cars filled with food, blankets, medicalsupplies, anything and everything they are willing to give. people who often don't have a lot themselves. so efforts from the government are in full swing, but also from the community itself. live now to aid worker ella williams from the british moroccan society. she joins us from close to the epicentre of the earthquake. i assume that you felt some of those aftershocks earlier in the day. yes. aftershocks earlier in the day. yes, i was in the — aftershocks earlier in the day. yes, i was in the medina _ aftershocks earlier in the day. yes, i was in the medina of— aftershocks earlier in the day. yes i was in the medina of marrakesh this morning and we felt it. i arrived to the visit about an hour ago and they felt the quake this morning quite strongly and people ran out of their homes, they thought there was a second major quake happening this morning. is there was a second major quake happening this morning. is nearly a week since the _ happening this morning. is nearly a week since the original _ happening this morning. is nearly a| week since the original earthquake. tell me some of the things you've seenin tell me some of the things you've seen in the last few days and the progress of the rescue and relief efforts. �* ., ., efforts. i'm on the ground here in one of the — efforts. i'm on the ground here in one of the furthest _ efforts. i'm on the ground here in one of the furthest villages - efforts. i'm on the ground here in one of the furthest villages in - efforts. i'm on the ground here in one of the furthest villages in the j one of the furthest villages in the epicentre of the quake. i was here on tuesday and there was a big difference, on tuesday people didn't have anything to eat, now people have anything to eat, now people have food. the solidarity for moroccans on the ground on tuesday the road was full of moroccans who got in their cars from all over the country, 1a, 15 hour round trips to marrakesh. the situation here, there is a nationwide tent shortage right now so people are really doing what they can, passing through a lot of they can, passing through a lot of the villagers coming up here, people are sleeping under a tarpaulins, they don't have plastic sheeting for they don't have plastic sheeting for the ground, they don't have blankets. in the village i'm in, there are two tarpaulins for the entire village so they are sleeping under those at the moment and within the next few weeks, the temperature up the next few weeks, the temperature up here is going to plummet so people really need shelter. that's going to help them make it through the next few weeks. pare going to help them make it through the next few weeks.— the next few weeks. are there still areas that relief _ the next few weeks. are there still areas that relief agencies - the next few weeks. are there still areas that relief agencies are - areas that relief agencies are struggling to get to?- areas that relief agencies are struggling to get to? some of the more remote _ struggling to get to? some of the more remote villages _ struggling to get to? some of the more remote villages in - struggling to get to? some of the more remote villages in the - struggling to get to? some of the l more remote villages in the region, even before the quake they didn't have road access, they were only accessible by a track using a mule on a motorbike so that already makes the situation challenging and some of those villages still haven't received any aid. people are at the point now where we are not looking for survivors unfortunately but these people are still waiting for food, some of them are waiting for drinking water, they are waiting for shelter, they are waiting for clothing. there are military helicopters in the area that are making aid drops but some of the more remote villages appear haven't received any yet. more remote villages appear haven't received any yet-— received any yet. thank you for takin: received any yet. thank you for taking time _ received any yet. thank you for taking time out _ received any yet. thank you for taking time out of— received any yet. thank you for taking time out of your - received any yet. thank you for taking time out of your cruciall received any yet. thank you for - taking time out of your crucial work to talk to us here on bbc news. thank you. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. let's look at some other stories making news in the uk. england's making news in the uk. on the nhs helpline for people england's on the nhs helpline for people coming out of antidepressants, funding has been withdrawn. the nhs said in march people should be supported trying to stop taking the medication. greater manchester police have become the latest force to fall victim to a serious data breach. a company making warrant cards was targeted in a cyberattack with the names and photos of officers compromised. john lewis says its plan to return to profit will take two years longer than expected after it reported further losses for the first half of the year. the high street giant, which also owns waitrose, said rising business costs and larger—than—expected investment requirements meant that its recovery plan would not be finished until 2028. you're live with bbc news. nasa says it should spend more time investigating ufos. the us space agency has recommended it increase its efforts to gather information on unidentified objects in the sky, or what it calls uaps, "unidentified anomalous phenomenon". and it wants to play a larger role in helping the pentagon detect them. here's a statement from the nasa administrator, bill nelson. we, nasa, have taken for the first time concrete action to seriously look into uap. and this independent study team is exactly that, it is independent. they work to develop recommendations about how nasa could better examine them from a scientific perspective. and the top takeaway from the study is that there is a lot more to learn. the nasa independent study team did not find any evidence that uap have an extraterrestrial origin. but we don't know what these uap are. that was from the news conference thatjust that was from the news conference that just finished. let's cross to washington and speak to our north america correspondent nomia iqbal. what do you make of this nasa involvement and report? its involvement and report? it's interesting. _ involvement and report? it�*s interesting, when you go into something like this, this independent team had a meeting back independent team had a meeting back in may. i think everyone goes in thinking nasa might reveal something extraordinary, something ground—breaking, but you can't get your hopes up too high because this was an opportunity for this independent team to basically give us the conclusions of this year long report that they have been doing and ultimately as you heard from bill nelson, what they want to do is find out more about uaps. when you introduce the item, you said ufos and that is how they are referred to by members of the public, notjust here in america but globally, and i put to mr nelson that so much of your work is trying to de—stigmatise ufos, they want people to come forward, they want the public to come forward and pilots, people who see things to come forward, but a lot of people don't because they don't want to be stigmatised with that term which is often associated with deep conspiracy theories, deep paranoia, and he said it was an ongoing process that they are trying to... they want people to know they can come to them and be transparent about what they know and what they don't know as well. just to quote to you what mr nelson said, "we want to shift from sensationalism to science." but they do know that it's going to take some time to get over that mountain. they want to work more closely with the government in trying to understand exactly what is flying in the skies. is trying to understand exactly what is flying in the skies.— flying in the skies. is not that lona auo flying in the skies. is not that long ago people _ flying in the skies. is not that long ago people would - flying in the skies. is not that long ago people would have l flying in the skies. is not that - long ago people would have been laughed at and yet in recent times in washington without congressional hearings on all of this. now nasa's involvement, they've been talking about working more closely with the pentagon. have they outlined exactly how and what they intend to do? the first thin how and what they intend to do? tue: first thing they how and what they intend to do? tte: first thing they want how and what they intend to do? "tte: first thing they want and how and what they intend to do? t'te: first thing they want and they've actually appointed someone as a director of research for uap. but they won't name that person, they won't tell us who that person is, and they said it's because they are worried about that person being targeted, being harassed, so they can be transparent about a lot of things but not that. but they do want to work together with the government, we know that congress is now looking more into the phenomenon of ufos as well. there was this testimony that was made before the us congress injune by ex military officials who are claiming that the us government is hiding something. that was put to the panel and mr nelson question the credibility of one of the witnesses, he said, "we want to just facts, show me the evidence." but they do want to work closely with the government and with al as well, closely with the government and with alas well, they think that al would be very key in trying to understand more about what uaps are. this report was a year long and today we will be getting an update but we expect to hear more about their findings as time goes on. one of the other key things i should mention is that they said they are dedicated to transparency so nasa for a long time was accused of not being open about why they were debunking stuff but they are saying we are going to be open about what we know and what we don't know and mr nelson said if we find life on another planet we will let the american public know. hello, we got quite a mixture of weather this afternoon. for scotland and northern ireland it stays quite windy, sunny spells and a few passing showers, the south of england will be dry with sunshine. between, for wales in the midlands and lincolnshire, we got this weather front bringing outbreaks of rain on weatherfront trails all the way into the atlantic to a developing area of low pressure that is then set to strengthen and move towards spain and portugal, bringing some severe storms there. at the same time it will move warmer air across england and wales tomorrow and will also control how much rain we see into the weekend and beyond. today, this weather front stretching across wales and the midlands and lincolnshire will turn the rate heavier through the afternoon, potentially getting into wales and england, spanish spells for scotland and northern ireland —— sunny spells. as the low pressure starts to develop overnight towards portugal, we start to get milder air moving in across england and wales saw temperatures of about 11 to 1a celsius but we will see the rain band extending across northern england, reaching into parts of northern ireland and southern scotland. that process continues into friday, the rain could be quite heavy at times as well. south of that, it's largely dry and sunny but this weather front also separates i will be relatively cool air across the north of the uk with temperatures of 13 to 15 celsius from the increasingly warm air across england and wales, 22 to 25 celsius with a rather humid feel to the weather. there will be showers across southern england and parts of wales perhaps, they could be heavy and thundery, we start off with some down weather across scotland and northern england which should ease during the day and that will turn drier and brighter during the day. temperatures are still below par, 1a to 16 celsius but potentially warm across the southeast, 26 celsius. by sunday, thunderstorms and showers merging together for longer spells of heavy rain. . of heavy rain. the merging together for longer spells of heavy rain. the question is how far north it gets. it could reach scotland on sunday. it could be heavy enough to cause a few issues as well. this is bbc news, the headlines... 0ur modern 5000 people have been known to have died, the true number could be more than 20,000. and the uk opposition leader is seeking a deal with the eu's law enforcement agency on tackling people—smugglers if his party wins power. back in britain and arrested on suspicion of murder — detectives are questioning three relatives of ten—year—old sara sharif. europe raises its cost of borrowing for the tenth time in a row, hitting a record high of 4%. time for a look at the business news now. the european central bank has just made its latest move in the battle to tame rising prices, raising the cost of borrowing for the tenth time in a row, pushing the basic rate of interest up by a quarter of a percentage point to 4%.

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