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BBCNEWS Verified July 3, 2024



hello. we now know the names of the starting xv for englands rugby world cup opener on saturday and there are a couple of intriguing calls in there. alex mitchell and jonny may start against argentina in marseille despite initially missing out on the 33—man squad. mitchell was drafted in after jack van poorvliet was ruled out of the tournament and started england's final warm—up game against fiji, winning just his sixth cap. may meanwhile will start at right wing after anthony watson joined the world cup injury list. england are ranked eighth in the world and lost three of theirfour warm—up games heading into the world cup. wales number eight taulupe faletau has been passed fit to face fiji in his side's opening game in bordeaux on sunday. faletau missed all three world cup warm—up games with a calf injury but has recovered in time to win his 101st cap. the squad are confident ahead of their first match the boys were good, it is a good group and a good bone. you never see anything different with our guys. all the training that has been done, the boys have worked incredibly hard. the work is done under river and is looking forward to getting stuck in on sunday. every game is important in a world cup, you want to win, plain and simple. they will be wanting the same as well so there are four games in the group and you want to win every game you possibly can, try and win it three, it is common sense. it is important and we are looking forward to it and hopefully put our best foot forward on sunday night. johnny sexton will play his first match since march after being named in ireland's team for their opener against romania. the irish captain part of a team containing ten starters from the grand slam clinching win over england. sexton missed ireland's three warm—up games through suspension. full details of all the teams and the latest world cup news on the bbc sport website and app now to some developments in women's football in spain. players in the top tier of the women's game will strike over pay and conditions. the new liga f season is due to start on friday but instead players will walk out for the first two matches. the spanish players�* association said the strike was called because a "fair" deal could not be reached. negotiations began a year ago but the league said the players�* demands would lead to "economic failure". northern ireland play slovenia tonight in a qualifier for next summer's european championship. the campaign so far has been one of frustration with the side taking just three points from their first four matches — losing to finland, denmark and kazakhstan — all by one—goal margins. it means they'll be desperate to get a win in ljubljana to kickstart their campaign. all the games have been really tight, you know. we felt aggrieved to come away from the two games in june and hopefully i said maybe things that have gone against us before, this double—header because obviously we need points in the double—header to try and claw back where we are from the teams above us. wales host south korea in a friendly tonight in cardiff. it comes ahead of a vital euro 2024 qualifier against latvia on monday so the team isn't likely to be at full strength. i heard the manjust i heard the man just say it's a little warm for monday, the big game. unfortunately due to some bad results and performances we find ourselves where we are and monday is a big one and we need to go into it and try and win on tomorrow night will be a warm up for all the boys that are playing and even the ones that are playing and even the ones that don't, they get themselves in the right frame of mind for monday. britain's ethan vernon remains in second place after stage five of the tour of britain. the stage began and finished in felixstowe and was won by the belgian wout van aert after a late burst. he's the overall leader with vernon three seconds off the pace. the race finishes in caerphilly on sunday. and that's all the sport for now. thank you. let's return to the story now on serious failings in the care of young people with autism. a bbc investigation has found more than 50 young people have died because of failings despite repeated warnings from coroners that society needs to better understand the condition. just in the uk there are around 700,000 autistic children and adults. with me now is patricia stanley whose son sammy died in 2020 — and emma kluiben—shadl, who's son stefan died last year. their two boys had attended the same school — both families dealing with the same local health authorities. thank you both for coming in to talk to me. i know the circumstances are very difficult surrounding your cases but tell me more about your sons and the difficulties you had trying to get extra support. patricia. w , trying to get extra support. patricia. ,,., , ., , trying to get extra support. patricia. , ., , ., patricia. sammy was a delightful little bo , patricia. sammy was a delightful little boy. he _ patricia. sammy was a delightful little boy, he radiated _ patricia. sammy was a delightful little boy, he radiated innocence| little boy, he radiated innocence and purity. initially he was diagnosed with a syndrome, then he was diagnosed with autism and a combination of the two, he struggled with behaviour management related to the brain condition. and yes, the syndrome is known with difficulties with overeating but we had a good grip on that but he struggled with self—regulation, emotional regulation which sometimes resulted in this associative effort dose the mag episodes where he lost complete control of reality and during that time it was dangerous so we desperately needed social care and help and support. tell desperately needed social care and help and summ— desperately needed social care and help and support-— help and support. tell me in terms of our help and support. tell me in terms of your struggle — help and support. tell me in terms of your struggle to _ help and support. tell me in terms of your struggle to get _ help and support. tell me in terms of your struggle to get that, - help and support. tell me in terms of your struggle to get that, how i of your struggle to get that, how difficult was it? it of your struggle to get that, how difficult was it?— of your struggle to get that, how difficult was it? it was enormously difficult. difficult was it? it was enormously difficult- he _ difficult was it? it was enormously difficult. he was _ difficult was it? it was enormously difficult. he was with _ difficult was it? it was enormously difficult. he was with the - difficult was it? it was enormously difficult. he was with the disabled | difficult. he was with the disabled children's team until 2014 then he was removed without supportive assistance until he died which was six years later so for six years i was fighting, trying to get that reinstated, back onto the relevant time and get social care in home because frankly it was a desperate situation, we were in crisis throughout that. he was out of school for over a year and we were failed on a number of fronts. six. failed on a number of fronts. six ears. failed on a number of fronts. six years. emma, in terms of your story, take me through that.— take me through that. stefan was ve funn take me through that. stefan was very funny and — take me through that. stefan was very funny and outgoing - take me through that. stefan wasj very funny and outgoing anti-love very funny and outgoing anti—love things— very funny and outgoing anti—love things like — very funny and outgoing anti—love things like being outside in skateboarding and being with his friends — skateboarding and being with his friends. he struggled, we struggled with him _ friends. he struggled, we struggled with him from a young age, he was diagnosed — with him from a young age, he was diagnosed with autism and dyslexia, we struggled getting an educational health_ we struggled getting an educational health plan and as he became a teenager— health plan and as he became a teenager we noticed his mental health— teenager we noticed his mental health deteriorating and there were a number_ health deteriorating and there were a number of episodes and things that happened _ a number of episodes and things that happened at school and in his weekend _ happened at school and in his weekend job that he had, he was quite _ weekend job that he had, he was quite an— weekend job that he had, he was quite an articulate boy, he was giving — quite an articulate boy, he was giving a — quite an articulate boy, he was giving a lot to society and had a lot of— giving a lot to society and had a lot of potential and when we tried to seek_ lot of potential and when we tried to seek support from the nhs through the school, _ to seek support from the nhs through the school, through other means, we were told _ the school, through other means, we were told either he did not meet the criteria _ were told either he did not meet the criteria there was not anything they could _ criteria there was not anything they could offer— criteria there was not anything they could offer to support us. it felt like plugging a dam and trying to constantly look for support of the time and — constantly look for support of the time and there was nothing there that was— time and there was nothing there that was suitable for someone who is nearer— that was suitable for someone who is nearer diverging.— nearer diverging. patricia, i know with sammy. _ nearer diverging. patricia, i know with sammy. part _ nearer diverging. patricia, i know with sammy, part of _ nearer diverging. patricia, i know with sammy, part of what - nearer diverging. patricia, i know with sammy, part of what you . nearer diverging. patricia, i know. with sammy, part of what you dealt with sammy, part of what you dealt with was he could not recognise danger, could he? tell me briefly in terms of the times you contacted authorities, who did you end up having to contact and i frequently was that? 221 having to contact and i frequently was that? ' ,., . having to contact and i frequently wasthat? ' ., , was that? 29 police call-outs in the end, was that? 29 police call-outs in the end. social — was that? 29 police call-outs in the end, social services _ was that? 29 police call-outs in the end, social services felt _ was that? 29 police call-outs in the end, social services felt it - was that? 29 police call-outs in the end, social services felt it was - end, social services felt it was appropriate that police could come and help us which was not appropriate at all, they made 13 refers back to social services for support, where he had an episode i would have to rely on passers—by because they were life threatening. he would be very dangerous things and he lost control during that time, he had no safety awareness. when he was back he was more able to understand reality when he came out of those episodes and they were severe, they were not all the time but they were severe.— severe, they were not all the time but they were severe. emma, i know ou but they were severe. emma, i know you contacted _ but they were severe. emma, i know you contacted the _ but they were severe. emma, i know you contacted the employer - but they were severe. emma, i know you contacted the employer of - but they were severe. emma, i know| you contacted the employer of stefan and he said it was all in his head but having an individual that would have been a key person for him, how much of a difference do you think that would have made? part much of a difference do you think that would have made?— much of a difference do you think that would have made? part of the inruest that would have made? part of the inquest we — that would have made? part of the inquest we looked _ that would have made? part of the inquest we looked into _ that would have made? part of the inquest we looked into was - that would have made? part of the inquest we looked into was the - that would have made? part of the | inquest we looked into was the fact every— inquest we looked into was the fact every autistic person in the guidelines should have a key worker and that— guidelines should have a key worker and that key worker helps you coordinate the system and get what that young person needs whether it is mental— that young person needs whether it is mental health, physical health, diaqnosis — is mental health, physical health, diagnosis but unfortunately what came _ diagnosis but unfortunately what came back was that kent and medway services _ came back was that kent and medway services put caveats on top of that so stefan — services put caveats on top of that so stefan would not have met the criteria _ so stefan would not have met the criteria because they added so many layers _ criteria because they added so many layers on— criteria because they added so many layers on top of this, the guidelines, that actually 100% of autistic— guidelines, that actually 100% of autistic people that would have got this service narrows down to about one or— this service narrows down to about one or 2%— this service narrows down to about one or 2% and if stefan had had someone, — one or 2% and if stefan had had someone, i_ one or 2% and if stefan had had someone, i think it would have saved his life _ someone, i think it would have saved his life. because we would have known — his life. because we would have known where to go, what to access, it would _ known where to go, what to access, it would have been speedier instead of him _ it would have been speedier instead of him not _ it would have been speedier instead of him not meeting the criteria and being _ of him not meeting the criteria and being constantly batted away. patricia, — being constantly batted away. patricia, i know when the coroner ruled he highlighted the risk in terms of going forward and perhaps a reputation and in terms of that report, when it went to government, what happened and what was your reaction when you contacted government to explore? there was a revention government to explore? there was a prevention of — government to explore? there was a prevention of future _ government to explore? there was a prevention of future deaths - government to explore? there was a prevention of future deaths issues i prevention of future deaths issues which was fight named failings that went to government and we got responses from the three parties to ministers for social care and children, gillian keegan and kelly tolhurst and the clinical commissioning group replied but the replies, the inquest was very thorough and the coroner did a great job of pointing out the failings to save the lives of other children but when i got those replies i could not get out of bed for a week because they were so upsetting and distressing and they did not address any of the corners concerns, they blamed the pandemic, all three replies, blatantly. and the pandemic was incidental in the case of sammy. emma, it is interesting. i was reading about this today, life expectancy for autistic people is on average 16 years less than the general population and yet there is no neurological reason for that and yet that is the case. in terms of what we have heard from the coroner, the warnings, the way they have highlighted the thing, why aren't they acted upon? have you been able to work out who has been battling this for so long, why aren't the recommendations implemented? it is interestinu recommendations implemented? it is interesting because patricia and i had the _ interesting because patricia and i had the same corner and sammy died two years— had the same corner and sammy died two years before stefan and some of the recommendations in the prevention of future death of sammy are also— prevention of future death of sammy are also in— prevention of future death of sammy are also in that of stefan and the fact we _ are also in that of stefan and the fact we have not learnt anything because — fact we have not learnt anything because coroners do not have teeth. we are _ because coroners do not have teeth. we are spending thousands and thousands of pounds on our cases which _ thousands of pounds on our cases which would have given our boys the support _ which would have given our boys the support they needed. fire which would have given our boys the support they needed.— which would have given our boys the support they needed. are you able to see where the _ support they needed. are you able to see where the recommendations - support they needed. are you able to see where the recommendations go, | see where the recommendations go, are you able to find out what has happened? we are you able to find out what has happened?— are you able to find out what has ha ened? ~ . , . ., happened? we are still waiting, our recommendations _ happened? we are still waiting, our recommendations were _ happened? we are still waiting, our recommendations were supposed . happened? we are still waiting, our| recommendations were supposed to come _ recommendations were supposed to come lrack— recommendations were supposed to come back injanuary, there also been _ come back injanuary, there also been a _ come back injanuary, there also been a delay to april, we were supposed _ been a delay to april, we were supposed to get a response around this key— supposed to get a response around this key worker person by the 16th ofjuly_ this key worker person by the 16th ofjuly and — this key worker person by the 16th ofjuly and we still haven't received _ ofjuly and we still haven't received anything. patricia, in terms of what _ received anything. patricia, in terms of what should - received anything. patricia, in terms of what should happen | received anything. patricia, in - terms of what should happen next, the former attorney general and the justice secretary robert buckland was shown the findings of this bbc investigation and was really troubled by it, the numbers of more than 50. what do you think should happen, what would you like to happen? happen, what would you like to ha--en? happen, what would you like to ha en? , ., , happen? three things, really. if the child has died _ happen? three things, really. if the child has died somewhat _ happen? three things, really. if the child has died somewhat listens - happen? three things, really. if the child has died somewhat listens to l child has died somewhat listens to what the coroners have to say because frankly that could prevent another death and if they have no teeth and at the end of the day no one is listening in government, where you go from there because you are at the top of the tree? that is so distressing because when your child has died all you want is to make sure no one else goes through that hell and of before he died, personal accountability so that guidelines and laws are followed so he did not die in the first place. his death was 100% preventable. emma, the same question to you. for me it is three things, we need better— me it is three things, we need better training, teachers, me it is three things, we need bettertraining, teachers, nhs me it is three things, we need better training, teachers, nhs staff and i better training, teachers, nhs staff and i know— better training, teachers, nhs staff and i know the national autism traininq — and i know the national autism training programme are beginning to work on _ training programme are beginning to work on that with nhs staff, they are beginning to work on that with nhs staff, — are beginning to work on that with nhs staff, the anna freud centre but we are _ nhs staff, the anna freud centre but we are just _ nhs staff, the anna freud centre but we are just starting to dip our toe inand— we are just starting to dip our toe in and we — we are just starting to dip our toe in and we need be

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