or other borders or coming through the mountains. how many people are we talking about, do do you estimate? we turned to the ukrainian military to ask. they said that numbers are insignificant and that it is not impacting the war effort. from the romanian side, the romanian border guard told us that in the first 15 months of the war, 6,200 men crossed illegally either across the river or through the mountains, and were granted temporary protection in romania. and the people that you spoke to who were prepared to talk to you on camera, was there a common thread between their reasons for getting out? obviously, as in any sort of wartime situation, many people were afraid to serve, to go to the front. a lot of people with no military experience at all. and ukraine, in its hour of need, pretty much requiring huge numbers of young men to go. another reason often given to us, probably the predominant reason was family.