Transcripts For BBCNEWS The Papers 20200427

Will hold a series of meeting with key ministers to finalise details on how sectors, including business and schools, could reopen without risking a second wave of the virus. Some papers saying schools may not reopen untiljune. And the ft reports that uk chancellor rishi sunak will begin to wind down the governments job support scheme, in an attempt to avert a surge in unemployment after its scheduled expiry on june 30th. The International Edition of the New York Times takes a look at the impact of the lockdown on the french capital, paris. The daily mail says a quarter of doctors in the uk are having to re use protective kit meant to be wornjust once. The guardian says uk ministers are holding a series of high level meetings with trades unions and Business Leaders amid fears that millions of people will be too fearful to return to work when the lockdown begins to be lifted. So, lets begin. Pauly, the times, p m. Were moving to the second pays of the battle and talk about his own personal express by being hit by this virus. The Prime Minister is back which is good to see if a sub he gave an address outside downing street which was reported here in the times alongside some insights about how the lockdown may change. There is lots of speculation in this and other papers that there has been for several days now about whether we might be able to hang out with a nominated friend or family. We might be able to hang out with a nominated friend orfamily. How we might be able to hang out with a nominated friend or family. How we might have some nonessential shops reopening if people can manage social distancing. Suggesting schools wont be opening untiljune which is difficult news those of us with small children at home. But essentially what they are doing is looking at all of the different ways in which the restrictions could be, they are not even using the word ease, theyre saying altered or adjusted. It is the next phase but it doesnt mean that this typical peers for all of us is over. Torcuil what did you make of this. Dominic raab has been in charge but hasnt attempted to step on the Prime Ministers toes making himself a visible the Prime Minister whilst borisjohnson was away. If you get the sense borisjohnson has quite a difficult task now to convince the inner and outer members of the cabinet . Because they are split about the way ahead . Nobody can help it be consoled by the reappearance of borisjohnson today it be consoled by the reappearance of Boris Johnson today after his touch and go expanse with the coronavirus himself and he wanted to reassure people by appearing early this morning but he also wants to win their trust. And he this morning but he also wants to win theirtrust. And he is this morning but he also wants to win their trust. And he is having to do that by taking people with him, bite talking about the second phase facing people for staying in lockdown. But now considering how to open it slowly but surely. He is with the doves in the cabinet, there are hawks who want businesses to open again and the economy to get going again. And there are the doves whojust dont going again. And there are the doves who just dont want to risk Public Health with a second wave and that isjohnsons message health with a second wave and that is johnsons message today. Health with a second wave and that isjohnsons message today. He is going to have to because in his absence, the vacuum in the government has been rudderless as a plague ship while he was gone. While he was away, Nicola Sturgeon has got a set piece on this discussion. Her 26 page document could have been cut to two sides of four with all the solid suggestions recommended. At all this talk about a bubble of friends, some nonessential shops being open, football being played behind closed doors, and schools unfortunately for people sent parents not opening until the end of june at least. He used the ideas that are going to be teased out in the next three or four days by johnson. Anthony is his feedback behind the desk. When he talks about the possible maximum possible tra nsference the possible maximum possible transference to, that is what the government has been criticised for over several days now and people getting quite concerned and dissatisfied you get the sense about that. Transparency. Dissatisfied you get the sense about that. Transparency. We will come onto some of the other papers in other areas where the government has been criticised but it is interesting to see them that they get incredibly defensive when they get incredibly defensive when they get criticised. It seems to me there is just no way that any government could respond to a crisis at this scale without making mistakes. And if they were a bit more open and candid about who is advising them, what the process is, what all of the data is and a bit more comfortable with admitting that of course errors had been made then i think they would take more of the public with them. It is notable that one of the lockdown restrictions they are not talking about this idea of immunity certificates where those people who have had coronavirus get to have a special wristband and do what they like and that is because that was a silly idea which was never going to work having a two tier society. They should just admit that theyve made some mistakes and moving on. Torcuil you are in and out of westminster the whole time, it is interesting when you look at the legislation and guidelines, the Police Guidelines seem to be tougher than the actual legislation. We still have not got the figures about which parts of the country need to testing to actually see how far this pandemic has spread around the whole of the uk. There are around the whole of the uk. There a re lots of around the whole of the uk. There are lots of questions which do need to be answered. Do you think the government has those answers and is relu cta nt to government has those answers and is reluctant to explain them in detail because it might encourage people to actually leave the lockdown more quickly than the government wants . If they have the answers than Boris Johnson would not have afforded scrutiny today. He just gave a statement and headed back in. He will have to face them music at Prime Ministers questions and probably a press conference later this week. He is facing criticism on testing, they did not do testing, did they do lockdown early enough quiz that is there enough ppe . All these questions documents he goes back in. That is why there was a change of tone and change of attitude from johnson. He wants to talk to the opposition and bring them in, he wants to bring industry end. He talked about transparency because downing street had been stunned by this accusation that they are not listening and that their science has been tainted by political interference on thats stage committee. He wants to be more open and once again sturgeon has been there since last week, yet to give her credit for that scene that she wants to be open and transparent and give people as much information as possible. The second storyjust below that lead in the telegraph saying sage scientists the Advisory Group for emergencies split over facemasks for public. You take a scientist and take a choice dont you as many views with scientific effo rts you as many views with scientific efforts as the are the number then. That is in the nature of science. You do not know. You explore, you test, you question. I think there are 56 different trials or vaccines going on around the world which is fantastic but its also a helpful reminder that it is possible that 50 of those will come to nothing just because you are a scientist doesnt mean that you absolutely know everything. These are complicated debates. The data, the assumptions need to be questioned when it comes to facemasks, it may be that it is scientifically good to wear a face mask because it reduces the chances of you communicating the virus to somebody else but if it takes facemasks away from nhs professionals or care workers in old peoples homes, then obviously it is simply not worth doing. And just final comment torcuil from you on the appearance of Dominic Cummings, thoreau that the guardian observing saying why he was listening to these meetings and other people saying was normalfor meetings and other people saying was normal for number ten senior advisers to be doing that. It is i that we do not know who sits on sage and it doesnt look like that would change now. We do not know which government advises sit on this was about someone with as machiavellian of repetition is Dominic Cummings obviously raises the question of political direction being given. Obviously raises the question of political direction being given. I think all government advises have machiavellian machinations to binning which ones you support. We sought donald trump talking about testing earlier and you saw the mistakes he made last weekend about disinfectant and it was interesting watching how he talked about 1917 a reference back to the west great pandemic which of course is the pandemic which of course is the pandemic that made the trump fortune ina way pandemic that made the trump fortune in a way for some frederick trump, donalds grandfather, died in the spanish flu in new york in 1918, may 1918, left a tidy sum, 30,000 with half 1 million in todays money. And that is the nest egg that made the trump. I dont want to spend too much money time and that, i dont know if people use disinfectant in 1917 but lets move on. Polly, onto the garden, 60,000 for and staff victims. Interesting that bmi were not very happy with that number or indeed what its meant in terms of who was notable for it. What do you think of this . This is a Life Insurance scheme. It is obviously a welcome improvement on the situation before. There has been a campaign by the british medical association, a range of other advocacy groups for doctors both around the risk that doctors, nurses, ca re workers around the risk that doctors, nurses, care workers are placing themselves in in order to protect us and care for us. And one thing that still seems to be missing from this is an assurance that if a care worker is here on a visa, because of their role in our nhs or care system, but if they do lose their wife that wont mean that their family are sent back home because they no longer have a worker. They no longer have a worker. They do lose their life. All of the heroes saving us, we applaud them every thursday night and that is great. By making sure that everybodys her ropes are recognised whether financially or in terms of immigration status. Torcuil the inevitable Public Inquiry in this stage, it will be raised by the families even if they have taken 60,000 or given that. Wives couldve been saved if they had better ppe. The bmi is not happy with this. 60,000 might seem a lot of money but not if it is a young family who have lost a young breadwinner, and really i wife cannot be replaced for some a life can be replaced was that labour and trade uses are talking about the wise and dozens eyes that will be remembered at any minute silence at 11am, these lies may not of been lost if they have been given adequate Protection Equipment in the first place. 0n on that note a splash and mac in the mail. The states back 11 years. It is complicated because asi years. It is complicated because as i understand experts say there are three types of ppe, when you can wear all the time, when you had to throw away after treating each patient and one you can wear for five or six appointments. It is complicated but most Health Care Officials and professionals know that. No doubt it is incredible complicated and when you hear that the numbers they are talking about, millions and millions of items of ppe because gloves can often be only worn for one patient interaction. And then have to be thrown away. And we have seen videos on social media of exactly how you have to strip the stuff off to ensure that you are not than contaminating your skin or the area around here. I cant imagine the terror really of doctors, nurses, ca re workers the terror really of doctors, nurses, care workers again going to treat people and not feeling confident that there ppe keeps them safe and doing it anyway because thatis safe and doing it anyway because that is the oath they talk. We need to do everything they can to get them this ppe and of course it is a Global Pandemic and that there is a Global Pandemic and that there is a global shortage and i wish that the government would admit how difficult it is instead of trying to be so defensive all the time and pretend that. Again speak and people i know who are sourcing ppe, they are saying a lot of the problem is how slow the nhs is to actually answer their offers and to make decisions. It is still a very bureaucratic episode trying to get any of this handed over. Trying to get this tanker to turn. And this daily mail story, it is a persistent story. Today it was the college of physicians saying a quarter of their members, one of four doctors, are reusing ppe that should only be reused and extreme. Theyre having to ask do that because the woman isnt there. It is a running sword and a running scandal to the last six weeks. This ppe has not been there. Because the ppe isnt there. Because the ppe isnt there. They dont seem to be able even with the help of the military, military logistics happened brought in to try to break the bureaucracy of the nhs. But still we get these problems. Polly lets move to the ft. Rishi sunak to the economy from cold turkey. A jobless search for some interesting the way that the ft has approached this but that same crucial debate within cabinet about when to stop this aid coming through to avoid people actually relying on it perhaps too much. Yeah, i mean, obviously no business chose this or did anything to put itself at risk. It is an external shock that has happened to businesses so it makes sense that the government has a step in. This is not what economists would call a moral hazard propping businesses up. But the problem is if you carry on for years and years, you carry on for years and years, you end up with an economy that is not responsive, not working, and spending vast quantities of taxpayers money. Even though the end ofjune taxpayers money. Even though the end of june feels like taxpayers money. Even though the end ofjune feels like a long time away, the reality is if businesses want to consider redundancies at a large scale, they have to give 45 days notice to their staff. And the need to make decisions in the next two weeks as to whether they will be confident that people will be able to be kept on the payroll injuly. And the problem with that is the government isnt even yet telling us what the lockdown exit strategy will be. It does make sense the treasury is starting to talk about how they mightand stand is starting to talk about how they might and stand it, in what way, but nick shore it is not exposing businesses that fundamentally are viable. But that is not. Businesses that fundamentally are viable. But that is not. The costis viable. But that is not. The cost is £42 billion already. Perhaps unsustainable. Yes you do realise that figure will have to be reduced overtime, in weeks that figure will have to be reduced over time, in weeks and months. That figure will have to be reduced overtime, in weeks and months. But you get the feeling government should be looking over the brow of the hill beyond those two, what will happen when people are made redundant . We will have to go back to the creative job creation scheme that we saw in britain in the 1970s where you had mass unemployment and people were put to work on Community Projects and schemes to keep them employed, that kind of think well have to come in. You look at another pa rt of have to come in. You look at another part of the ft on the front page, you look at print accrued at 20 a barrel, thousands of north sea jobs, big money for one part in aberdeen, and another part of the uk. Polly coming from your think tank, austerity isnt going to be the answer, is it . I dont think people would put up with another if; , ratio £45547 to be a, to be 100 § to be 100 by the is probably going to be 100 by the end of this crisis. And that is going to take generations to pay off and we have already had more than a decade of cuts to public services. And there is not space to cut them any more. Torcuil when you and there is not space to cut them any more. Torcuilwhen you look and there is not space to cut them any more. Torcuil when you look at post coronavirus if there is ever a post coronavirus because it might just be one of these terrible diseases which is always with us until a successful vaccine is found, what you think people. You think there is this debate now about opening up a different sort of an economy where universal wages perhaps should be considered . Is that a debate which a lot of people are having . And uk, the lib dems and snp before were pushing things like universal income and basic income, you have interesting things happening already in holland. You have this five coins that put a kind of well being of people have this five coins that put a kind of well being of people in the economy to give that primacy over just gdp to make sure the environment is protected after this because there is an Environmental Crisis going on at the same time. And things like wealth taxes coming in. All these ideas are up for grabs stand up for debate i guess after we have had the debate about how this crisis comes to an end, how we take baby steps out of the situation, the lockdown we are in. Lets just and with the times, back to the times, a couple stories there, english are the best, im not sure if the germans are initial toys agree with atomic a brilliant picture there polly of 120,000, more than 120,000 birthday cards sent to captain tom just a couple of days ago. Julius neri picture. His grandson is there at his school surrounded by something that gives me nightmares thinking of somebody knocking went over and creating a domino effect. A phenomenal picture. An outpouring of love for this extraordinary man who did not make the donations, it is the british people who made the donations. And it is that sense that he catalysed and desire, a wish to give to those nhs heroes who are looking after us. And a good picture isnt it, torcuil . Picture of the week really a guy each 100, 100 20,000 cards, £29 raise. The only thing is missing but is not missing but always there is the credit for the photographers. Ithink but always there is the credit for the photographers. I think it isjoe good intent and richard poole. The photographers. I think it isjoe good intent and richard poolei the photographers. I think it isjoe good intent and richard poole. I saw joe couldnt sing and richard poole, for some if you check on these things these names come up a lot. Photographers never get the same byline as journalists do. Absolutely right but it is good to point out. Thank you very much indeed both of you for looking at the papers. Polly mackenzie and torcuil creighton for psychic and look at the front pages online. Dont forget you can see the front pages of the papers online on the bbc news website. Its all there for you seven days a week at bbc dot co uk forward slash papers and if you miss the programme any evening you can watch it later on bbc iplayer. Hello and thank you forjoining us. Top flight football clubs will meet later this week as plans to resume the premier League Season gather sub project restart could see a potential date of june the project restart could see a potential date ofjune the 8th to begin games again. It comes as arsenal and britain opened their training grounds to players today but under strict coronavirus distancing measures. Earlieri but under strict coronavirus distancing measures. Earlier i spoke to our Sports Editor dan roan about the challenges facing the sport. This number of questions that have to be answered around where exactly matches would take place, would they be in quarantine sealed off venues . That seems to be the direction of travel but if so whereabouts with ap . There are two areas of concerns one is health and medical, how does the sport guarantee the health and safety of those taking part . Not just players but also the other personnel that would have to be at a match even one behind closed doors, there would be several hundred people there. Would that involve heat scanners, obviously much more testing. And for us other hygiene standards as well. And i thing theres more of the moral question. How would it look a professional football lawyers are backplane what other people are still in lockdown . Professional footballers. Backplane for some i think this requires that there are five key tests that need be met by government and the lockdown has to be relaxed to some extent for some it is also a concern i think as well about whether or not people will be concerned if testing was diverted towards sport and football in particular if not enough people already have them in the general public or on the front line of health services. And also if for example sports resumed and there we re example sports resumed and there were titles awarded, with that encourage fans to come get outside the stadium and that would be therefore emergency services, policing being diverted . Therefore emergency services, policing being diverted . That would also be a case if a player was injured at a sporting fixture. Dan roan there. It is one of the biggest events in the british sporting calendar but there will be no fence at silverstone for the british grand prix this summer. 0rganisers of the formula 1 race says is staging the race under normal conditions just was not possible and there is a chance they may not be erased at all even behind closed doors that they need to protect the health of eve ryo ne need to protect the health of everyone involved. Thats obviously a discipline for britain present mclaren driver lando noris. A discipline for britain present mclaren driver lando norism a discipline for britain present mclaren driver lando noris. It is just going to feel quiet and i dont know, you get so much atmosphere with all the fans there, especially being the home race so many fans which have fights with my name on or with lewis or george was up to go there and not give them the opportunity as it is such a good turnout every year, the amount of people that get to go. And also, i think it isjust people that get to go. And also, i think it is just going to people that get to go. And also, i think it isjust going to be people that get to go. And also, i think it is just going to be awkward and a bit weird. But, yeah, sadly thatis and a bit weird. But, yeah, sadly that is the way it has to go. Despite the lack of crowds, formula 1is despite the lack of crowds, formula 1 is one of those sports that could potentially survive in an isolator world. As our chief formula 1 editor anja benson explain. Unlike other tea m anja benson explain. Unlike other team sports, the competitors in formula 1 are inherently insulated or isolate it from each other because they are in their cars and there is an awful lot of isolation that one teams can do within themselves by limiting the number of staff making people work remotely away from the circuit. Things are heading that direction and i dont think they would have made the state m e nts think they would have made the statements today unless they had some degree of relative certainty in a very uncertain situation that it was going to work out. Andrew benson there. With the cricket season suspended until at least the 1st of july, yorkshire have confirmed they have cancelled the contracts of the three overseas players by Mutual Consent due to the pandemic. South african, and. They were all due to feature in the western champ ship while the other agreed to be to teach height 220 sage he has been banned for three years for failing to report to corrupt repurchase. The pakistan group. They will resume normal authorities as soon as their approach. The virtual madrid open start today with ruffin nadal winning for some among those taking pa rt winning for some among those taking part was dominic team, he says he doesnt agree with Novak Djokovics call to financially support lorrain professionals from top players was up professionals from top players was up in professionals from top players was upina professionals from top players was up in a newspaper article, he suggested there were many prayers who dont put the sport above Everything Else and he said all the top players had to fight their way up top players had to fight their way up and had nothing handed to them. And that is all this work from us for now. You can get more and all those stories on the bbc sport website. Hello. April thus far has been marched by dry, warm and sunny days but the forthcoming week brings something com plete forthcoming week brings something complete different as we close out the month. Said if it can spells of rain it was generally speaking feel a wee bit cooler too. At least the pollen levels will be reduced from the sort of levels weve seen of late. Eventually we would be looking towards the atlantic for our weather but in the short term it is coming at us from the near continent and across the channel. Certainly is restart the new day on tuesday, there will already be cloud and ran across the southern counties of england and wales, relatively mild and clear skies across the north east as cotton, may be a touch of frost with apertures below zero. Join brent to start with across the northern half of the British Isles, showers evolving across scotland and Northern Ireland and the north a va ca nt Northern Ireland and the north a vacant but notice how south how dark some of those blues are it will be quite a wet day and the temperature suffering as a consequence, eight, nine or ten underneath all that rain for some and it will be rain with 20 mm possibly of rain. It would drag its way away from the eastern side of the British Isles but come wednesday, we will be looking towards the atlantic to see another belt of rain after a dry enough to start, the rain eventually moving through the south west of england, wales, into Northern Ireland, on towards the amendments to the south east of england. In fact many areas seeing rain before the day is done except perhaps the central and northern part of scotland, may a parting shower here but essentially it is much drier. Come thursday another pulse of rain will be working its way in on the southern flank of that low. The position of the low itself open to a little bit of interpretation just at the moment but if it comes a little bit further north, there is quite strong winds that will push and across southern parts over england and wales and down towards the channel islands. A fairly unsettled day for inga and wales. Scotland and Northern Ireland, it is much drier with sunshine until later on where we push the rain into the northern isles. By friday that low pressure is moved away but then again there is moved away but then again there is the chance a pretty hefty showers coming into Northern Ireland, wales, the south west of ingham, rain in scotla nd the south west of ingham, rain in scotland and perhaps something drier through central and eastern areas with the temperatures just trying to recover. By next weekend it was say showering and be cool too. It will stay showering. This is bbc news. Im tim willcox with the latest headlines for viewers in the uk and around the world. The uks Prime Minister Boris Johnson is back in downing street after his own fight against coronavirus to tell the country now is the moment of maximum risk. I refuse to throw away all the effort and the sacrifice of the british people and to risk a second major outbreak and huge loss of life and the overwhelming of the nhs. President trump invites the media back to the white house and says more tests will control the spread of the pandemic and help states end their lockdowns. We are continuing to rapidly expand our capacity and confident that we have enough testing to begin reopening and the reopening process