Transcripts For BBCNEWS The Papers 20170415

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19205 life murder conspiracy that absorbed 1920s america, and in particular, the young j 1920s america, and in particular, the young] edgar hoover. hello, and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are nigel nelson, political editor of the sunday mirror and the sunday people, and the political commentatorjo phillips. lovely to see you boit. we will look at some of the stories in a moment. tomorrow's front pages, starting with. .. the mail on sunday leads with the continued rising tensions around north korea, and the threat to wipe out the united states armada. the sunday times, also leading on north korea, says president trump is prepared to strike korean nuclear sites. the telegraph goes with the potential threat to america amid the growing tension. it says that north kreoa posses the capability to strike american soil. the differences between the two countries is summed up in the express, who call it the deadliest stand—off. the observer leads on an education story, and says that free schools will benefit wealthier regions. so that was just a taster of those front—pages. a more in—depth natter now with my guests and goodness, we have to start off with north korea, don't we. . we do. what do you make of this? the sunday times in particular is the most worrying of the papers tonight. because that seems to sort of ta ke tonight. because that seems to sort of take wara tonight. because that seems to sort of take war a step nearer. what the sunday times is saying is that their quoting general mcmaster, donald trump's national security adviser who is saying that the america has the capability of taking out with conventional weapons the entire nuclear arsenal of north korea, this is high stakes stuff, that the first question is what if they haven't got the capability of doing that? what happens next? the second thing is i can't see it happening really on the basis of south korea, the first thing that would happen is there would be an invasion of south korea, and you get a feeling it is like two pugnacious schoolboys squaring off in the playground. both knows if one throws a punch they will get hurt, however you look at it. certainly we are dealing with unpredictable people and the worry is that someone will do something really stupid. jo, a lot of people saying that this is just the us trying to nudge china to actually do something. yes, it is, but the whole relationship between america and china is not helped by where china sits on the question of syria. i mean china has previously gone along with russia, on un votes and things, last week it abstained rather than veto the un vote, but i mean, certainly what is happening, and you know, you have got huge american warships arriving, or heading towards the korean peninsula, you have real pressure on a quite untested and inexperienced team of foreign policy people, not least of all secretary of state rex tillerson dealing with as nigel says unpredictable people, but in difficult area, you know, you have china on the one hand, you have russia in the background, always. you have got north korea, and you have got where do these rather unpredictable and men who want to make a show, it is, i have more bombs than you, your bomb is bigger than mine. at one point is one going to go let's show them who's boss? i think it is really very worrying. what is interesting is you have mike pence the american vice—president. he is going to south korea... today, later tomorrow for talks. he is going there to have talks with them, and back home, in what seems a bit like the vicar at the tea party saying i am sure we can like the vicar at the tea party saying i am sure we can come so some arrangement geoffrey clifton brown is trying to get a sort of all party support together, although i am being solutionly facetious, it is that level of bringing together common—sense and looking at the options, we don't know what north korea has got. we have seen what they have shown us, but we don't know how real they. you i don't know if you have seen the satellite images. yes. it is based on the movement of earth. the tests take place under groan, so this is where they are going, this is where they are saying there is something coming... you need, certainly the institute of strategic studies, who know something about these things, some of the analysis they have done is interesting. what they seem to be saying is look, we are not sure about the delivery systems, whether they are capable of doing the a long range launch or anything like that. that. what they are more certain about and it comes back to the original point we started with the sunday times, the medium range missiles, they can use, now obviously, that puts all of south korea and some ofjapan, within striking distance, so that is the kind of danger. i mean i was sceptical when i saw the stuff on the parade today. these missiles that can go 7,000 miles and hit the west coast of america. this is what the sunday telegraph is talking about. we never saw them. they were in their cases, for all we mow they could have been empty. obviously, we we re could have been empty. obviously, we were meant to think that is what they might do, but i mean, i am more worried about the ones he has tried out and work. yes. 0k. worried about the ones he has tried out and work. yes. ok. we will see how this goes, we will be interested to hear what mike pence does say, of course. let us go to a football story now, on the front of the observer, this is our third story, jo, observer, this is our third story, jo, do you want to pick this up? so this is the story about as you refer to earlier, everton have banned, everton football club have banned the sun, banned some reporters from being at training ground or maps at things because of kelvin mackenzie ls, things because of kelvin mackenzie 's, the former editor's column. which not only cast a slur deeply offensive racist slur on ross barkley their midfielder, but it was also that sort of casual sort of pugnacious, unpleasantness about people in liverpool, that frankly, you know, i would have people in liverpool, that frankly, you know, iwould have hoped had died out an awfully long tiling a. the sun has a traditionally, it has got a historically appalling relationship with liverpool. what do you think of the timing? it is ridiculous. with hillsborough anniversary it is crazy. has kelvin mackenzie got a free rain to do what he wanted to do. why was there no editor? someone saying this is is a bit near the knuckle ? editor? someone saying this is is a bit near the knuckle? let us put aside this allegation, of a racial slur, so there was an alleged racial slur, so there was an alleged racial slur, let us put that to one side and look at the columnist‘s job. the columnist‘sjob, and look at the columnist‘s job. the columnist‘s job, particularly a tabloid cluckist‘s job is columnist‘s job, particularly a tabloid cluckist‘sjob is to provoke people, to get people talking, —— columnist. as a tabloid columnist, i don't see it as provoking necessarily, certainly to get people talking, to try and give a different way of looking at something. kelvin is the master of the insult, and what happened here was that was as gratuitously insulting as it was possible to be. that is old fashioned journalism. i am amazed the sun re—employed him, however, they did. the bit i am unsurprise iingly, i don't like the idea of newspapers suspending their columnist if they don't like something they write. i don't like football clu bs something they write. i don't like football clubs banning journalists from covering matches, or going to training session, it seems we have a new kind of reaction to things we don't like, we say well ban that, shut that person up. sepsis the casualness, —— sepsis the casualness people say it isjust a bit of harmness bander. it is not harmn't. unless people say this is harmless. you know, obviously, it is now that matter for the police to decide whether or not there is a prosecution. put that to one side. it's a is slur on the people of liverpool about what he said about people... it is amazing, that kelvin mackenzie of all people, would have put anything in his column about liverpool but a he knows the reaction there. the relationship isn't the best. we must point out at this point, that kelvin mackenzie denies that there was any intention ofa denies that there was any intention of a racial shrub. so we will make sure that is, that is stated because there is a police investigation. yes, absolutely. all right. well, let us move, we will stay with the observer, actually. the eu crown jewels, we could lose them. did you know we had them for a start? so, these are the european banking and medicine agencies, otherwise known as the european banking authority, and the european medicines agency. they employ between bun,000 people and they provide a hub for businesses in the uk and are based in london. but according the observer report, the eu is set to inflict a double hue my asian on the prime minister —— humiliation, stripping britain of its european agencies within weeks and basically holding a beauty contest to see which city gets them, whether it is amsterdam, frankfurt milan or paris. they are regarded as among the crown jewels, i am sorry, they are regarded as among the crown jewels, lam sorry, i they are regarded as among the crown jewels, i am sorry, i find that a bit hard to... maybe going a bit far. according to the observer, it is worth 1,000 jobs in this country. we don't want to lose these thing, but then again, what do we expect? if we are leaving the eu, these things, they are regulatory body, they can't stay here, they will have to go to an eu country, so whether they go now, or in two years' time, seems to me a bit irrelevant, and i could, we are going to get a lot of this, the eu will make sure we are punished for what we are doing, and this is the start of the punishment. they are going to hurt us. yes, we will get a good spanking for this. 0k, the will get a good spanking for this. ok, the independent and i notice the story earlier today, actually, this new poll giving tories an historic lead over labour on the front—page of the independent. still bad new, not doing very well in these polls. labour is not doing very well at all. the poll is one that said even something like 45% of labour voters don't think he is a very good leader, but this is the first time since a government, first time since 1983 when a government in power has been so far ahead of the opposition, that was margaret thatcher, just before her second victory at the ballot box, so this is a poll conducted by come perez for the independent, gives the tories are 46% of the vote share so that the 21 points ahead of labour. 11% for the liberal democrats and 9% for ukip. i mean it is damning for labour, but i feel like we say that every week. afraid so. i am sure if you are a labourmp afraid so. i am sure if you are a labour mp you probably feel that is what people say. it does say, it does say that some of mr corbyn's policies, including free school meals and forcing private schools to pay vat enjoy public support but you could argue that the weather hmmfi could argue that the weather forecast for the bank holiday monday would enjoy support and we have more chance of getting that. we have a real poll with the local elections coming up, let us see how he does there is this how do you think he can fix it. i am not sure that it is actually fixable. that the labour party, there are two labour parties in parliament, there is thejeremy corbyn wing, and the provisional wing which is the other labour mps, iam not wing which is the other labour mps, i am not sure that is fixable, if, they are beginning to up with policy for the first time. we have seen a raft of them. let us so if the public like it. the only way things can improve if he improves in actual proper votes, we get... does he want to fission it? i get the impression that he is so arrogant, despite this image of humility and authenticity, whatever that means that you wonder whether he does want to fix it. like any opposition minister i think he wa ns to any opposition minister i think he wans to be prime minister. do you? that is the impression one gets from him, now, the question is will he make it to 2020 when the elections comes up make it to 2020 when the elections comes up there won't be a leadership challenge this year, there is no question after the debacle last year they can do it. they are working on a possibility for 2018. . they can do it. they are working on a possibility for2018. . he might not make the chance of getting to a general election. ? you wonder whether there is going to be pressure on theresa may to call an election. you think he should. i do. it st what did for gordon brown, he didn't have the man tait, that he was crowned rather than oman date. he succeeded to power rather than won it. if she went to

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