game and create a much more robust, much more enlightened view- of masculinity, such that a guy. like me doesn't feel like he needs to deprogram his 15—year—old from this content. _ so he'sjust a symptom. from this content. - someone else will fill the void. from this content. _ we have to go after the... from this content. - how do you go about deprogramming a 15—year—old son? very carefully. does he want to be deprogrammed? well, that's the thing. when dad says it, you worry that| you're going tojust encourage it. and what i try to do _ is highlight some other examples of what i would call masculinity that are more and just some i basics, some basics. when you start blaming i women for your problems, you know you failed. that means you failed. that means you have lost the plot, basics. | and we know from the news that teachers and parents are engaging with an awful lot of teenage boys at the moment because of andrew tate�*s content. i mustjust ask matt and helen before we wrap up about the experience of being on the receiving end of a lack of enthusiasm, shall we say, from people who support the kind of figures