but then, also the actual art of the songwriting, which i think is something that can get lost in the wider discussion of her. so, it's — yeah, it's very varied. her new album is called the tortured poets department. �*poets�* doesn't have an apostrophe on it. i've read whole articles about what that means, you know — even grammarians are getting into it. and which camp are you in? are you furious about no apostrophe? or are you waiting with bated breath to see why it has no apostrophe? um, i think it's supposed to be like dead poets society, you know — it's like the name of a department, as opposed to a possessive. 0k. fair enough. and do you think she's taken seriously in newsrooms? and has that changed over time? yeah, i think she's taken incredibly seriously in newsrooms. she does huge traffic. and so, that's something that editors pay attention to. and i think specifically since 2020, when she put out the more folky albums folklore and evermore, i think they reached a more adult audience because they were made in part with aaron dessner from the national and they featured other members of the national and also justin vernon of bon iver. and so, i think a tier of perhaps adult listeners who hadn't paid attention to her before suddenly woke up to her and realised that,