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Transcripts For BBCNEWS The Election Wrap 20170522

And the conservatives cant be trusted. We have not rewritten the manifesto, the principles upon which it is written remain the same, we need to ensure that we have long term sustainability and social care, we need to be able to ensure that we can fund social care for the future, we are doing the honest thing in putting a proposal to the british people. How is it honest to reject a cap in your manifesto and four days later say, we are going to have a cap, what is honest about that . what we set out in the manifesto was a series of principles, to say to people, first of all, this is a big issue, we need to address it and we are being honest that we must fix it, and that is what i want to do, i am not going to play politics with it, very my head in the sand, that is whatJeremy Corbyn does with it. No, you arejust going to change or mind on it, apparently. This woman is already doing another u turn she decided it wasnt parliament that decided it wasnt parliament that decided her view. John prescott today. Jeremy corbyn has pressed fast forward on plans to scrap tuition fees, saying he will scrap them for University Students in england this autumn. He says the conservatives have helped students back for too long by helping to travel tuition fees to more than £9,000 a year, the Labour Leader would like to live the cloud of debt, as he puts it, by making it free for people to study at university in england. If we carry on with this process of ever rising fa res, on with this process of ever rising fares, a threat of lifting the cap altogether, what happens . Two things, one, those that have achieved enough to get into university, gone through university, leave with debts of often £50,000 and more than that. If they earn more than £21,000, they have to start repaying it, but the debt is still there for a long time after that. Im determined that University Education should be available for all. Not the best of days for theresa may. All the polls were coming out in the Sunday Papers yesterday, it is embarrassing, it is a u turn, i thought about bringing in a handbrake so we could all have a go, shes beginning to sound a little bit like bob the builder, ill fix it, fix it. You have to go through this 24, 48 hours, its embarrassing, but there is no way around it. She has done a u turn. The problem is not so much the Social Care Policy, it is, one would hope, there is a serious grown up debate about it, but it is the strong and stable looks like wobbling. That is the key, chipping away that the edifice she herself put up, of being the strong leader. Strong and stable is a real problem for her, she now looks weak and feeble, and that will haunt her through the rest of the campaign. Ithink her through the rest of the campaign. I think also, the her through the rest of the campaign. Ithink also, the policy itself is a problem, she is going to have to come up with a figure for the cap at some point. Youre not going anywhere you are both locked down here. No u turns from you so is ita down here. No u turns from you so is it a cap, a floor, A Change Of Heart . Chris morris has been trying to get to the bottom of todays Conservative Social Care announcement. Social care was away is going to be a big issue, now it is going to be a big issue, now it is front and centre in a big political row. Last week, the conservative manifesto proposed that anybody receiving long term social ca re anybody receiving long term social care in england would be allowed to keep £100,000 of their assets including the value of their home, and no one would have to sell the family home to pay for care in their lifetime, that is much aimed. But last week the conservatives also ruled out introducing any cap, or maximum amount that anyone would be asked to pay for social care, once the first Hundred Thousand had been taken into consideration. Andrew dilnot suggested there should bea cap Andrew Dilnot suggested there should be a cap on how much anybody has to pay for care, be a cap on how much anybody has to payfor care, in be a cap on how much anybody has to pay for care, in 2015, tory ma nifesto pay for care, in 2015, tory manifesto supported the idea of a cap which was set to be 72,000 at that point. When asked about a proposed cap now, in 2017, this is Whatjeremy Hunt proposed cap now, in 2017, this is what jeremy hunt told proposed cap now, in 2017, this is Whatjeremy Hunt told the bbc last thursday. Not only are we dropping it, we are dropping it ahead of the general election, we are being completely explicit in the manifesto that we are dropping it, we are dropping it because we have looked again at the proposal and we dont think it is fair. Queue several days of awkward conversations on the doorsteps for conservative candidate and four days later, a rather different message from the Prime Minister, we will make sure, she said today, there will be an absolute limit on what people will need to pay for care. Cue. In other words, there will be a cap, but there is no indication of the level at which it might be set. the cap fits, youve got to wear it, what has prompted this Change Of Heart . Look at the sunday times front page, tory wobble, as cuts for elderly slash lead. The paper had a yougov poll which cut the advanatge to just 9 percent. The Dementia Tax Backlash was the lead for the Mail On Sunday and it had a separate poll, by survation, which suggested the tories lead had slipped by 5 points. But its notjust the polls and the front pages. There had been reports that mrs mays Social Care Policy had been getting a lukewarm reception on the doorstep over the weekend, something the pm found out for herself yesterday i havent looked into it in detail but i was thinking about what your ma nifesto but i was thinking about what your manifesto has to say about the old peoples savings. Is this the kind of problem that a leader in counters because they are so far ahead in the polls . A bit of that, she felt co mforta ble polls . A bit of that, she felt comfortable enough to be able to go and do this because you would have been as vague as you possibly could and assuming you win power, you would do it, partly the idea that she is invincible but it has turned out she has not been invincible, it has gone down to single figures, a huge drop from where she was, looking at a massive majority, three figures, the other danger is, imagine what a three Figure Majority would be, you would not have u turns like this, the idea would come up and she would carry it out. Labour are still way back. Yes, we have a long way to go, and it feels like an endless treadmill, for people out campaigning on the doorstep, anything could happen, there are always blips, there are always stumbles during Election Campaigns, this happens to be a spectacular one because of the u turn. It will not because of the u turn. It will not be the first time that the polls may be the first time that the polls may be wrong, they will change again by the weekend, ive no doubt, labour have yet to come up with anything other than motherhood and apple pie and lollipops for everyone. That is appealing to people. What is interesting is there was a poll at the weekend, we talked about it saturday night, which showed that Jeremy Corbyn, for the first time, had actually got a slightly better poll rating for personal rating in terms of leadership qualities. I cant remember what the question was. It was about ordinary qualities. On a personal level low, we have just seen a Set Piece Interview from theresa may, very in control, we know how it works, people on the doorsteps will be dealing with their prospective mps and candidates and Jeremy Corbyn is apparently doing quite well in face to face stuff, i think there is everything to play for. Who knows what else might happen. A uturn like this as far as i can see is unique ina like this as far as i can see is unique in a general election, i cannot remember anybody else ever going back on a policy from a ma nifesto. Going back on a policy from a manifesto. It is notjust the supreme manifesto. It is notjust the supreme confidence that you could go to your core voters, your reliable older voters and do Something Like that, because you could have still done it and said we are going to have a green paper in the autumn, to look at, you did not have to lay it out in the manifesto, i think what is happening, we are hearing from government and party is all the time, a small group of people who are doing stuff and they are not asking around, and nobody is saying, do you think how this will play . Nobody is having difficult conversation before they go public. So what do those people who receive care and those who provide it, make of the latest controversy . Our east Midlands Health correspondent rob sissons has been speaking to some of those whod be affected i found i was decimated by the war. My i found i was decimated by the war. My father was decimated by the war. My father and Four Brothers we re war. My father and Four Brothers were all killed in action. When you get older, you get worried about things like that. The state should p5y~ things like that. The state should pay. In awful lot of people have made that much money and could afford to look after themselves. It is such a tricky area and it has been going downhill for years. If we are going downhill for years. If we are going to the nitty gritty, it is difficult. Things change in five yea rs. We difficult. Things change in five years. We will be long gone. Means testing for winter fuel payments, getting rid of school lunches. Triple lock down to a double lock, are these policies put forward precisely because the conservatives are convinced they are going to win . Yes, or they were at the time, the one thing you can do by sticking to the manifesto is you do not have any trouble in the House Of Lords, the House Of Lords will not challenge policies that have been elected on through the manifesto, so thats another reason to do it, but the idea of being quite so detailed about this, it is because at this point she thought, i can lose a few voters, it will be fine, this is a shoo in, but she did not realise how may voters she would be losing. That isa may voters she would be losing. That is a bit unfair, because some of these things are the Difficult Conversations we referred to. She said this at the launch of the ma nifesto. Said this at the launch of the manifesto. To be honest, if you think, we cant afford this so we will look at it. It is an unusual Campaigning Strategy you know the convention, and campaigned in poetry, yougov and in prose. You know the convention, you campaigning poetry, you govern in prose. There is another word we could use but no bad language labour also turned their attention to tuition fees today, a highly charged issue for many, and one which sank the political aspirations of the lib dems in the last election, after the broken pledge of their 2010 manifesto. Labour says it would bring forward a promise to scrap tuition fees completely, to include students starting university in england this autumn. This is whatJeremy Corbyn had to say. Since the fees have gone up, under the coalition government, the numbers of Working Class Youngsters going to university has declined, the Numberof Going To University has declined, the number of University Applications has started to go down, surely we should be investing in our future, somebody who does not achieve the profession they want, nursing, teaching, medicine in some other form, nursing, teaching, medicine in some otherform, engineering, nursing, teaching, medicine in some other form, engineering, whatever it happens to be, they lose out but we asa happens to be, they lose out but we as a society lose out because we have lost a qualified person who can help improve industries, improve services. Everyone knew what the a nswer services. Everyone knew what the answer was to the question, with labour providing the answer, how are you going to pay for this, Corporation Tax increase. Do bear in mind when people are adding this up Thatjohn Donald has got £250 billion he is going to borrow, and so he can pay for all of the policies. You may not want to see any more borrowing but it is one of the other, lives could be made better and they can afford to do it but it might mean they do not meet deficit targets. They need to say that instead of banging on about. Maybe they should, maybe they should. Why dont they . Why wont they say that . They do not want to admit they are boring, because they know what will come back and haunt them is the borrowing, the tax and spend. In fairness, the tax might actually raise the money, the problem about raising taxes at the higher level is you often dont get the return that you are expecting. You also damage business, if you bring ina you also damage business, if you bring in a Corporation Tax, if you do the anti business stuff, any sensible businessman who thinks there will be a labour government, given brexit as well will be planning for the next two or three. Im not quite sure about business, they would say the minimum wage will damage them, when it first came in, if they dont like taxes. At the level you are talking about, to raise the moneyJeremy Corbyn needs in Corporation Tax, businesses will be preparing for how they will invest in infrastructure, the extra cost of brexit, all of that. The idea that they will sit there and say, that is fine, Corporation Tax going up. They are not going to say it is fine, any more than anybody else is about anything. I think labour is being disingenuous by not saying, and we would borrow. Good day for labour. Very good day. The mere fact that the polls have come down to where they are. This time last week, Jeremy Corbyn looked like he had not got a hope of winning the election at all, today, it looks like he could. All right, 0k. So the former deputy Prime Minister, lord prescott, joined Jeremy Corbyn in the sun in scarborough today. He knows how to whip up a crowd. Now remember how many elections i have been around, i have been around a while, remember, 1997, after18 years of tories, hospitals were collapsing. There was homelessness in our society. Unemployment was high, and we came in and we promised. Did we reduce the unemployment to get people back to work . Yes did we do that . Now we are talking cheering old hands can be useful, even lord prescott, remember this from the Scottish Referendum campaign. At last, the world is hearing the voices of the real people in scotland, there is not a cemetery in europe that does not have scott s, welsh, english and irish Lying Side By side. Let us tell the nationalists, this is not their flight, nationalists, this is not their flight, their country, their culture, their streets. Scots. This is everyones flag, everyones culture, everyones culture and everyones streets that was gordon brown speaking the day before the Scottish Independence referendum in 2014, some credited him afterwards with saving the union. Lord prescott was deputy Prime Minister to tony blair, one wonders, with the lukewarm reception, the lu kewa rm with the lukewarm reception, the lukewarm response toJohn Prescott, when he first asked for people to show appreciation, the achievements of the blair government, was. The break with old labour, cementing of new labour, it wasJohn Prescott break with old labour, cementing of new labour, it was John Prescott who we re new labour, it was John Prescott who were sent out as tony blairs cannon fodder, if you like, to go and say, this is what is going to happen. And we re this is what is going to happen. And were going to get rid of clause iv. Look at these old hands, they are very good. Doesnt matter which Political Party they are, they are interesting and funny because the weight of standing for election is com pletely weight of standing for election is completely ta ken from weight of standing for election is completely taken from them. A lot of people on the hard left sawJohn Prescott as a traitor, because he did the bidding of tony blair. Far more comfortable with Jeremy Corbyn than tony blair. But he does understand that in order to win, you have two. 20 years since he punched a voter, he is a bit of a character. At the comedy awards. He got a bucket of water or champagne tipped over him, at the brit awards. The ice buckets challenge, orsomething, brit awards. The ice buckets challenge, or something, wasnt it that was something entirely different. I was buying it later on. The green party has called for bold action on the environment, education, welfare and brexit at the launch of its manifesto. The partys co leader, caroline lucas, said they had very distinct p

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