Nathalie tocci, former eu Foreign Policy advisor. The longtime capitol hill correspondent, and now Washington Post live anchor, leigh ann caldwell, and christopher steele, formerly head of the russia desk at mi6. Hello, welcome to the progamme. The photographs speak for themselves. Red tabs, yellow tabs, top secret documents, some of them marked hcs human Confidential Sources which the Us Government believe the former President Donald Trump was attempting to conceal. The fbi seized 33 boxes from mar a lago earlier this month, more than 100 classified documents, three of which were found mixed with other papers in his desk and not in locked storage as where they were supposed to be. In a 36 page filing to a federal judge, prosecutors said that at a june meeting the trump team had certified in writing that all remaining documents were contained in a single sealed envelope that was handed over. But in august and in a matter of hours the fbi had recovered twice as many documents with classification markings, the evidence filed last night is in response to trumps attempts to get a us districtjudge Aileen Cannon to appoint a special master, to review and return documents taken. Leanne, to see these documents laid out in order on the floor with all the markings on them, it seems to me that that was a really important element that the dod wanted to put in the public domain. In the public domain. Absolutely. Because it in the public domain. Absolutely. Because it has in the public domain. Absolutely. Because it has been in the public domain. Absolutely. Because it has been known in the public domain. Absolutely. Because it has been known for i in the public domain. Absolutely. Because it has been known for a | in the public domain. Absolutely. Because it has been known for a long time that former President Trump has had a pretty cavalier relationship with classified information and classified documents. And now that this is all been written out in this Department Ofjustice legal filing, there is no Press Conference but they did this in their legal filing. The fact that they included that picture was in attempt for a message to the public of why they were concerned and why they went through with this. Of course we dont know the contents of these documents and specificityjust the contents of these documents and specificity just yet. The contents of these documents and specificityjust yet. But the contents of these documents and specificity just yet. But this the contents of these documents and specificityjust yet. But this is the justice of our through the court system making their case as to why they went to this, some would say extreme step of searching and confiscating government documents from donald trump home at mar a lago. From donald trump home at marala90 from donald trump home at maralago. From donald trump home at maralaao. ,. ,. , maralago. The account was filed ahead of this maralago. The account was filed ahead of this on maralago. The account was filed ahead of this on thursday maralago. The account was filed ahead of this on thursday before. Maralago. The account was filed ahead of this on thursday before a | ahead of this on thursday before a federaljudge. What do we now know that we didnt know before the doj put this out . That we didnt know before the d0] put this out . Put this out . What we know now is that donald put this out . What we know now is that donald trump put this out . What we know now is that donald trump had put this out . What we know now is that donald trump had moved put this out . What we know now is. That donald trump had moved some put this out . What we know now is that donald trump had moved some of these documents from different locations at mar a lago into us sometimes in his residence as well at mar a lago. The fact that the Trump Attorneys as well head said that they had handed everything over when not in fact was not the case. This is not been something that is just been happening over the past couple of weeks but something thats been happening on a month long conversation between the Trump Legal Team and the Department Ofjustice. And so the culmination of what is happening now is what the Department Ofjustice is saying is that the Trump Legal Team was not being forthcoming about the information, the documents they had and what they handed over. All of this is going to be taken into account at this next phase tomorrow at this Court Proceeding. Phase tomorrow at this Court Proceeding phase tomorrow at this court roceedin. ,. ,. , proceeding. There were all sorts of auestions proceeding. There were all sorts of questions about proceeding. There were all sorts of questions about why proceeding. There were all sorts of questions about why they proceeding. There were all sorts of questions about why they were proceeding. There were all sorts of i questions about why they were there, whether they acted too rashly. Im not a former Intelligence Officer but i look at these documents marked red, classified and im guessing if you are still at mi six and you knew that the sort of documents were at somebody� s home you would have exercised the same warrant. Yes. Somebodys home you would have exercised the same warrant. Yes, im not a lawyer exercised the same warrant. Yes, im not a lawyer but exercised the same warrant. Yes, im not a lawyer but from exercised the same warrant. Yes, im not a lawyer but from a exercised the same warrant. Yes, im not a lawyer but from a national not a lawyer but from a National Security not a lawyer but from a National SecurityPoint Of View i think the situation Security Point of view i think the situation is Security Point of view i think the situation is quite unprecedented and even though i have to pinch myself hearing even though i have to pinch myself hearing some of those headlines, i suppose hearing some of those headlines, i suppose the critical thing is not so much suppose the critical thing is not so much that suppose the critical thing is not so much that donald trump would try and do Something Like this, its pretty much do Something Like this, its pretty much in do Something Like this, its pretty much in character, i think. But its a fail much in character, i think. But its a fail him much in character, i think. But its a fail him tonight family of the system a fail him tonight family of the system around him to prevent this kind of system around him to prevent this kind of Cavalier Behaviour failure. Secondly, youve got to ask yourself, failure. Secondly, youve got to ask yourself, why would a president who apparently yourself, why would a president who apparently took very little interest in intelligence reporting, intelligence work and so on want to stash intelligence work and so on want to stash away intelligence work and so on want to stash Away Hundreds of secret and taught stash Away Hundreds of secret and taught secret documents . Well, why do you taught secret documents . Well, why do you think that was . We dont know as yet do you think that was . We dont know as yet but do you think that was . We dont know as yet but there are several possibilities i guess for his motivation. One would be that they would motivation. One would be that they would he motivation. One would be that they would be useful to him potentially in terms would be useful to him potentially in terms of other things he would be doing like in terms of other things he would be doing like business deals and litigation cases and so on. Secondly, he might be looking to use this stuff secondly, he might be looking to use this stuff as secondly, he might be looking to use this stuff as some kind of leverage over other this stuff as some kind of leverage over other people. Thirdly, they might over other people. Thirdly, they might be over other people. Thirdly, they might be looking to trade it to some kind of might be looking to trade it to some kind of foreign entity or a foreign uowen kind of foreign entity or a foreign uowen at kind of foreign entity or a foreign power. At the moment we just dont know power. At the moment we just dont know. Actually, we may never find out. ,. , know. Actually, we may never find out. ,. , out. That suspicion that christopher has ust out. 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I do disagree slightly with that in the sense that as i said earlier, its the the sense that as i said earlier, its the systemic failure that im looking its the systemic failure that im looking at its the systemic failure that im looking at here where a system in the white looking at here where a system in the white house and administration allows the white house and administration allows this sort of volume of material allows this sort of volume of material to be squirreled away. After material to be squirreled away. After all. Material to be squirreled away. Afterall, it material to be squirreled away. After all, it looks as though hes had possession of it for 18 months. The quick had possession of it for 18 months. The quick student arises then is to end the the quick student arises then is to end the government actually realise this material was stashed down there and been this material was stashed down there and been in this material was stashed down there and been in a secured area. What has he been and been in a secured area. What has he been doing with it for the last 18 months . I think those questions still remain 18 months . I th