Transcripts For BBCNEWS The Big Debate With Victoria Derbyshire 20170529

Im not happy with the choices we have for next prime minister. Theresa may is not prepared to stand oii theresa may is not prepared to stand ona theresa may is not prepared to stand on a platform and take questions from her peers and the audience, then she doesnt deserve our votes. Lam voting then she doesnt deserve our votes. I am voting snp. And of course you can get in touch wherever you are heres mr dunstable. You can email victoria bbc. Co. Uk, text 61124, hashtag victorialive on twitter, or search Victoria Derbyshire on facebook. Hello. Welcome to the programme. Were live until am this morning with an audience of 120 people, and live on stage at the grove theatre. Here to tell our assembled group of politicians exactly what they think about key issues like the nhs, brexit, the economy, housing and security. There is so much to talk about this morning, not enough time so lets crack on with the news. Joanna is here with a summary of the mornings news. Police say theyve arrested a 23 year old man in the seaside town of Shoreham By Sea Near Brighton in connection with last weeks Manchester Terror Attack. It brings the total of people arrested over the attack to 16, 14 of whom remain in custody. Absolute shock. Ive just finished work, on my way home, getting ready to go to my girlfriends house, and there are Police Outside my door. Whats going on . Thats all i know. Do you know why the police are there . I do. I was reading something ive seen online on the way home and i was like, ok, thats where i live. Bit of a shock. Meanwhile, the Security Service mi5 is to hold an inquiry into how it dealt with information from the public concerning the bomber. Authorities were warned about Salman Abedis extremist views on at least three occasions, but failed to stop him murdering 22 people at a concert last monday. Customers of British Airways have expressed frustration over a lack of information. I think one of the main frustrations certainly yesterday when people we re wondering how do we get back home, was the fact that the advice coming from British Airways for people who were overseas just simply wasnt working and it wasnt helping you re book flights back to the uk. British airways were saying they were going to run a near normal service from heathrow and gatwick yesterday, one of the major frustrations for people ive been speaking to here was the fact that there was no mention really of all those thousands of people who were stranded overseas. More than 200 drivers a day have been caught using their Mobile Phones in the month after the law was changed to bring in tougher penalties. According to figures obtained by the press association, thats the equivalent of one offence every seven minutes. The penalty for using a phone while driving doubled to £200 and six Penalty Points in march. New drivers now face losing their licence altogether. Japan has lodged a protest after north korea fired a missile which landed in its waters. The scud missile, which was launched from north koreas eastern coast, travelled around 280 miles before crashing into the sea near the japanese mainland. Its the third apparently successful missile test by the Military Regime in recent weeks. Police in county down sale lone gunmen was responsible for shooting a man dead in front of his son in bangor. He was approached in the car park of a sainsburys supermarket and shot several times. 0fficers have called it a cold blooded murder. Frances new president , emmanuel macron, will hold talks with his russian counterparty Vladimir Putin later in their first meeting since macron was elected earlier this month. It could prove awkward for the two leaders during the french campaign, mr putin hosted mr macrons far right rival, marine le pen. Russia has also been accused of launching Cyber Attacks against the Macron Campaign in a bid to undermine it. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news more at 9. 30am. Now the sport. Fernando alonso made his publicised debut in the indy 500 race but Engine Failure meant he had to pull out with 21 laps to go. The Talking Point of this race will be this, howard and dixon colliding with each other at 178 mph. A lucky escape for both drivers as they were able to get out of their cars after this. In Fa Ct Get Out of their cars after this. In fact dixon said after those who will be back racing very soon. Not too bad, my ankle is beaten up, i might have a small fracture there but hopefully on the mend and back in the car next week. It is very slippery, probably picked up some debris. I was hoping he would stay high but as he collected the wall the car came down and had nowhere to go. In tennis, aljaz bedene gets under way in the french open first round at 10 oclock. Yesterday, a big moment for dan evans, who made his debut in the tournament it ended in defeat, though, to tommy robredo. Clay is not evans favourite surface, and it showed, as the british Numberfour Lost by three sets to one. This could prove to be the shock of the tournament the top seed in the womens draw, angelique kerber, lost her first round match. She was beaten in straight sets by ekaterina makerova. Its billed as the most lucrative match in world football, and its estimated that at least £170 million awaits the winner of todays championship Play Off Final between Huddersfield Town and reading. One of those two clubs Willjoin Newcastle and brighton in promotion to the premier league. Sometimes the feeling, if you are not over support, everybody in britain, maybe in europe, supports Huddersfield Town and likes to bring this fairy tale to happy and so it looks like the second fairy tale in british football in a row after leicester last season, and this is what we are feeling. We are feeling that we get back from a lot of people all over britain. We need to think about what we need to do now to win that game. Thats what we will be facing. We are not going to be thinking about what it does to the club if we win, there is also a chance of losing. Thats the sport now back to victoria in dunstable. Good morning and welcome back to bedfordshire. 0n the agenda today security, the nhs, brexit, housing and whatever else our audience of 120 people want to talk about. It was 41 days ago that theresa may surprised most of us by announcing a Snap General Election, campaigning for which was suspended last week after manchesters devastating Terror Attack which killed 22 people. Since then security has dominated the agenda with labour and the conservatives both promising to bolster Counter Terrorism measures. Lets get a snapshot of views. In the light of what happened in manchester a week ago, is anybody going to change their vote . My name is charlie, i am from luton, i going to change their vote . My name is charlie, iam from luton, i run going to change their vote . My name is charlie, i am from luton, i run a Small Business. I have lived in england for 30 years and the last election i voted conservative. Following the Manchester Bombing and the subsequent talks between the parties, iam the subsequent talks between the parties, i am looking at i dont wa nt to parties, i am looking at i dont want to carry on with the Policy Bombing middle Eastern Countries and them trying to defend themselves with Security Services here. It is plainly not working and Jeremy Corbyn is starting to cut free with me that there could be another way and im interested in what labour say on this. Anybody else who is changing the vote as a result of the events last week . No, im not changing my vote but i want to contribute to the debate on terrorism and security. Can i ask what you were planning to vote . Terrorism and security. Can i ask what you were planning to vote . |j what you were planning to vote . will vote labour. And how do you think the parties have responded . What is your view of the way the parties have responded since the events last monday . They have responded expectedly, everyone has come out and condemned it. But my regret is a muslim and as a british citizen is that the policies in this area of our Community Life have not been working. The evidence is there in one form or another in the shape of manchester and in the shape of other arrests and prosecutions which are being taken against people who are being taken against people who are involved in terrorism. What is the one thing you would want to see changed . What i would like to see is that a medium to long term project of integration for Muslim Community is promoted, and that would be done through talking to imams, community activists, and directly with muslim communities. Making it known to them that their voices are very weak in condemning extremism. They need to be more strong, obvious and clear. Thank you, lady over here. After manchester, i have bought tickets for Robbie Williams concert for my son and my reaction was instantly to tell him not to go. The youngsters have the attitude that we are not going to be stopped by these people, but security needs to be looked into. We need more Police Officers asa into. We need more Police Officers as a first line back on the streets and in strategic places we need armed officers, not just and in strategic places we need armed officers, notjust a bobby on the beat. Have you changed the way you will vote as a result . No, i was heading toward labour and after what i have heard in the last week it will probably still be labour. have been a campaigner for democracy in luton for the last three and a half years, in discrimination in different areas. I would still vote conservative and wouldnt change my mind because i think theresa may would stand up for us and if she gets a good vote she would come out the next day and let europe go to hell. Thats clear, thank you. I am derek, on the basis of at least 10,000 new Police OfficersJeremy Corbyn has promised, but where is this money coming from . Diane abbott coming out with figures all over the place. It is good money but i think it will change with her hairstyle. That is a reference to an interview diane abbott gave yesterday when she spoke about her hairstyle. Let me bring in some politicians who are here today. Dominic raab, your home secretary suggested this country would face a greater risk to security of this country were prime minister, do you agree with her . Yes, thats true. We have increased counterterrorism police, we are bringing in 2000 more into Intelligence Agencies and we have spoken about more vigorous policing in the online space and Prosecuting Ukjihadis Who Go into the battlefield abroad. I do think Leadership Matters and i will put it as candid as i can. I dont think you can compare the leadership theresa may offers withJeremy Corbyn, who has had a political lifetime of sporting the ira. In 2009 he described hamas and hezbollah members as his friends. I dont think the guy that wants to befriend the terrorists is the right quy befriend the terrorists is the right guy to defend us against the terrorists. You could hear the groa ns terrorists. You could hear the groans from the audience. My name is terry and i am from luton. I want to challenge you straightaway. If it hadnt been for Jeremy Challenge you straightaway. If it hadnt been forJeremy Corbyn talking about Northern Ireland, talking about Northern Ireland, talking with the ira back in the day, there would be no peace process. He opened the door, and by the way Margaret Thatcher was doing back door deals. Anyway, what really annoys me about conservatives and your tory media, the day after manchester it was there. Jeremy corbyn has got blood on his hands. You want to talk about that, theresa may is selling weapons to the saudis who are dropping them on kids in yemen. If Jeremy Corbyn who are dropping them on kids in yemen. IfJeremy Corbyn has blood on his hands, theresa may is bathing in blood. Theresa may was leading the home 0ffice theresa may was leading the home office when she cut 20,000 Police Officers and 1300 armed officers and 26,000 Support Staff in Community Support officers. Dominik, has that had an impact on 0fficers ability to build trust within communities and therefore Intelligence Gatherer at local level . In terms of ordinary crime. No, i am asking specifically about intelligence gathering. In terms of counterterrorism police. gathering. In terms of counterterrorism police. I am not asking about counterterrorism police, i am asking about the 20,000 fewer Police Officers and the 26,000 fewer Police Officers and the 26,000 fewer Support Staff. Do you think that has had an impact on Building Trust within communities . Yes or no . I dont think that is a simple question of pouring in more resources. Question of pouring in more resources. No, it is about cutting resources. Resources. No, it is about cutting resources. Victoria, you have interrupted me. Because you are not answering the question. Let me try and answer it. We have invested more in counterterrorism police. Are you saying that those cuts have not had no impact . Please answer the question. We would all like more police on the street, but i have pointed to ordinary crime because with respect, Finite Resources can be focused to get Better Outcomes in terms of cutting crime and terrorism. But you also need leadership. It is all very well this gentleman said Jeremy Corbyn was somehowjohn the baptist, leading us to peace in Northern Ireland. But the reality is, just last friday, he couldnt be honest about meeting convicted ira members. And by sunday, we knew he had. I dont think that is the kind of straight talking politician we need to lead us talking politician we need to lead us andi talking politician we need to lead us and i dont think someone that is so us and i dont think someone that is so keen to get close with convicted terrorists or hezbollah and hamas members is the right person to protect this country from terrorism. Emily thornberry for labour, Jeremy Corbyn has expressed support for what people describe as britains enemies, revert to hamas as friends, associated with gerry adams within weeks of the brighton bombing. That isa weeks of the brighton bombing. That is a problem for labour, isnt it . Jeremys approach is a clear one, which is that we need to talk to people when we can in order to find Common Ground and find a way forward. But do you accept that his past associations mean he has a problem when it comes to National Security . I think that for fair minded people, that is not true. People know he was representing a community that had a high proportion of irish people. In the 1980s, something had to be done and he was involved in trying to bring people to the table. So was the conservative government, but they were doing it secretly. He was doing it openly. And we got the good friday agreement. We cant deal with daesh, because they are a death cult. There is no negotiation with quys cult. There is no negotiation with guys like that. But where you can find common purpose, work with people. And when people point out thatJeremy Corbyn people. And when people point out that Jeremy Corbyn and people. And when people point out thatJeremy Corbyn and your Shadow Home Secretary diane abbott have both voted against or not turned up for every vote that has ever been since 2001 when it comes to anti terror legislation, why should people trust your party . Diane was saying yesterday that a lot of these votes were the ones where conservatives voted the same way as jeremy and diane in any event. But why should people trust labour on National Security . Because the approach that labour takes is to look at legislation that works. Lets look at legislation that doesnt divide communities, but brings them together. If there are things the Security Services need by way of legislation, we should give it to them. But we dontjust do things for the sake of being seen to do things. I voted against 90 days where people were to be arrested on the basis of no evidence and been held for three months. I later voted against 42 days. I am proud of that because that would have divided our communities and was not going to help with fighting terrorism. Tina from Milton Keynes. Is now not the time for all our parties to come together and have a cross Party Coalition so that we cancel got we cancel the security . We have lost and had people murdered in our country this week. Innocent childrens futures have been wiped out. Why cant the parties come together and form a strong strategy together and form a strong strategy to move forward and be tough on terrorism . I am azeez from london. This is a question for mla. I hear what you are saying in terms of Jeremy Corbyns approach being to talk to people, but how would that conversation go . The terrorists you are talking about, they are not forthcoming people that you sit down ata forthcoming people that you sit down at a table and have a conversation and a cup of tea with. They are dangerous. They are a detriment to the world. So how do you expect that conversation to go when you talk to them . I agree with you. That was the point was trying to make, which is that there are some people you can talk to. So we had to find a way through with Northern Ireland. The problem with Islamic State or daesh 01 problem with Islamic State or daesh or whatever it is called is that all they want to do is attack our way of life. You dont talk to people who simply say, if girls wear miniskirts, we are going to blow them up. There is no talking to people like that. So it depends who you talk to. When people try to drag us you talk to. When people try to drag us back to the 1980s and said it was wrong forJeremy Corbyn to speak to the irish, that is an entirely different situation. People are playing Party Political games with this. Would you support a party that advocated talking to isis . Absolutely not. They are not to be spoken to. Do you think they will be defeated militarily in the end . That is very hard to say. I dont think they will be defeated militarily, but i dont think talking to them is the solution. I am roger, the remainer from the west midlands. Jeremy corbyn has always been an ally of terrorists. All he is doing at the moment is trying to keep a lid on it. If i remember correctly, he brought gerry adams to the houses of Parliament Within a short while after the brighton bombing. Of Parliament Within a short while Afterthe Brighton bombing. He is trying to keep a lid on what he really believes. The other point is, i dont think the uk should ever go into another conflict with just the us as into another conflict with just the usasa into another conflict with just the us as a partner. Which is the party you support to better protect this country . In a nutshell, none of them let me bring in the Liberal Democrats. Let me answer that. I think it is really unfair to try to paintJeremy Corbyn somebody who doesnt love this country as much as anyone else, who doesnt want to keep this country safe. anyone else, who doesnt want to keep this country safe. I did not say he didnt love this country. Where it has been possible to talk to people, that is what you do. In relation to is of course we cannot defeat this death cult militarily. We have to make sure we do not allow people to become marginalised. Those who are becoming extreme, we need to bring ina who are becoming extreme, we need to bring in a strategy that keeps us safe. Lord newby, your party when government with the conservatives when you allowed those cuts to Police Numbers to go ahead. How dup . The big cuts in Police Numbers have happened very recently. Know, since 2010, when you were in government. We had to make reductions across the board in 2010 because we inherited an absolute financial crisis. The question is what we do now about it. In your manifesto, you say you would reduce State Surveillance Powers and scrap the governments counter radicalisation programme. How would that help people . Well, The Prevent Programme is not totally successful because it is a top down programme. Would we be better protected without it . Well, you would replace it with something else. The thing you need to replace it with, you need more Community Engagement and you need to invest more in Community Policing. The Chief Inspector Of Constabulary said the Community Policing model is now under threat. That is the easiest way to protect our community. Lets hear from the snp and then ukip. I think we should stop impugning one anothers motives in this debate. It leaves an extraordinarily bad taste. We are in the immediate aftermath of this Terrorist Atrocity that has destroyed so many families lives, and we are all horrified by it. And all of our political leaders are determined to stop terrorism. So it is in bad taste for dominic to use this the way he is. This is an old electoral trick. We have seen it in the United States. The tories do it at times of crisis that somehow, a conservative government is going to keep us safe and government of another he will leave all exposed. It is nonsense. Where are all patriots. I dont doubt that Jeremy Corbyn has a set of values in his own mind which are honourable. Than leave it at that. I dont think i will leave it at that, and i will tell you why. In ten days time, we will take a decision on who is going to lead this country and it is not just the cosying up to some of these unsavoury groups,. Just the cosying up to some of these unsavoury groups,. You have said that several times now. It is also the fact that he is talking about disarming the police. What . wet. What do you mean, he has talked about disarming the police . He has said hes not sure about Drone Strikes with civilian casualties. Jeremy corbyn may be a decent guy, but he is not the strong leader we need. I am going to bring in Suzanne Evans from ukip. Your manifesto launched last week. You said theresa may must bear some responsibility for what happened in manchester. Do you stand by that . Yes. The gentleman at the top of this programme said if it comes to a choice between theresa mayJeremy Corbyn and keeping the country safe, both fail their records. As you said at the beginning yourself, victoria, under theresa mays rule as home secretary, there were deep cuts to the police force and i think Community Policing is very important for stop it is our Community Police office rs for stop it is our community Police Officers who have their ear to the ground and build relationships with local communities and can spot discrepancies. Your policy of wanting to ban the burqa, does that help better protect people . Not per se. But that is about integration. The trouble with this debate is that politicians are trying to put forward simplistic solutions. This is something we have to tackle at numerous levels. We have to tackle it from a security perspective. We have to make sure we keep our people say. That is the firstjob have to make sure we keep our people say. That is the first job of government. We have to tackle it in terms of integrating communities better stop i am pleased to hear you say that there are some elements of the Muslim Community that do need to work harder at that. We need to look at immigration because under a labour government, we opened the borders to people. But the bomb last week was british. His parents we re last week was british. His parents were refugees. So we should have known that their offspring would . His parents have radicalised him. My point is that there are numerous levels on which we need to attack this. I agree with what a lot of people have said here. Politicians try to find simplistic solutions, but integration is a significant one. You havejust but integration is a significant one. You have just said but integration is a significant one. You havejust said integration is important and i agree with that, but the notion of telling people what to wear, when to wear it and how to wear it is ridiculous. If you wa nt how to wear it is ridiculous. If you want to talk about integration, talk about the success and failure of the prevent strategy. If these two are failing, how would you change it effectively . Telling a person what to wear isnt going to make a difference. I to wear isnt going to make a difference. Lam not to wear isnt going to make a difference. I am not going to tell nuns they cant walk about in black and white habits. You are very strong woman and im sure in any other circumstance you would stand up. I am here speaking out, do Notjudge Me On Whether i am muslim or not. You cannot doubt that whether to cover yourself from head to foot in black, and to be told to do that, that isnt anything but emancipation to women. There are many women out there who choose to do that. Where are you on the bala clava do that. Where are you on the balaclava ban . This is what happens in politics, this is why we have a problem in politics because you try to make a serious point. It is not serious. In our communities we are being abused in a way that a white, middle class woman like me. There is nothing that divides communities more than the oppression of women. Let me remind our audience of our guests. Emily thornberry is labours spokesperson on foreign affairs. Dick newby is the leader of the liberal Democrat Group in the house of lords. John nicolson s the snps spokesperson on culture, media and sport. Suzanne evans is the deputy chair of ukip. Iama i am a postgraduate student. I want to pick up on what susanna said. I ama to pick up on what susanna said. I am a british muslim. The attacks recently i condemn 100 , i dont think there is anyone in the room that disagrees with that. What i would say is that i integrate fully in this community. I integrate into the way of life in the uk, i. And what i find quite distressing is how yet again from you, susanna, you say the burqa is something that is mandatory, you have to wear it. No, i realise it is not. The muslim women i have spoken to, i dont think choice is as black and white as they make out. I have many relatives who choose to wear the headscarf through their own choice. Suzanne evans, muslim woman have said to you, i am being made to wear this . Yes, and i have spoken to muslim women who wear it in certain circumstances, because they feel that if they dont when there are muslim men around they will be viewed as somehow easy. If im going to cover myself up because i dont wa nt to cover myself up because i dont want to be looked at by men, who has the problem there . Me or the want to be looked at by men, who has the problem there . Me orthe men . Just to say, by the way, that our audience here in dunstable is balanced to represent the number of people who voted for each party in previous General Elections as well as some undecided voters. The conservatives were accused of a u turn on social care last week after theresa may said under her plans there would now be a cap on how much people contributed to their own care how much people contributed to their own ca re costs. How much people contributed to their own care costs. The change from the original policy published in the Ma Nifesto Original Policy published in the manifesto four days before. The nhs and social care is one of the issues people most care about ahead of the General Election and Political Parties know that, all promising varying degrees of extra funding. We will introduce the first new Mental Health bill for 30 years to put Parity Of Esteem at the heart of treatment and end the stigma of Mental Illness once and for all. 0ur Health Service is actually being dismantled by stealth. Over the past seven years, our national Health Service has been driven into crisis after crisis. The Liberal Democrats will put 1p on income tax to raise 30 billion over a parliament to invest in our National Health and Social Care Service so you get the treatment you deserve from cradle to grave. So we have a commitment that by the end of this Scottish Parliament, the budget will be £2 billion higher than it is today, more than inflation. Money notjust for hospitals but for primary care, Mental Health services and Community Services as well. We will have a clear commitment to slash a foreign aid budget that is costing the british taxpayer in the region of £30 million every single day. And we will redirect the money saved and plough it into our nhs. Plaid cymru wants guaranteed extra funding for the nhs after we leave the European Union. Weve already secured an additional £20 million for Mental Health services here, but that is only the beginning. It simply cant be right that Big Business Is Making Money out of that mess, so as well as putting more finance into the nhs, the green party is really clear that we would take the private sector out of the nhs. Who do you trust most when it comes to the nhs . Which party do you trust to the nhs . Which party do you trust to better protect your parents and grandparents . Good morning. Scott, i work for a national charity. I want to talk about dementia. 850,000 people in the uk currently have a diagnosis of dementia but only two thirds of those actually get any support because one third are undiagnosed. It costs the uk economy £26. 3 billion per year in dementia. What i want to know is actually what are you going to do for those people and how are you going to make it fairand and how are you going to make it fair and sustainable funded system rather than just causing attacks on people who have a long term condition which affects the whole life . People as young as 30 are getting dementia. Frankly, iam life . People as young as 30 are getting dementia. Frankly, i am glad theresa may did a u turn but its time you scrapped that policy altogether, went back to the Drawing Board, talking to people who understand it rather than in your own fancy world picking figures out of the air which you think works. Talk to people on the ground. We will get responses from our politicians once we have taken a snapshot from our voters. My name is lauren, i live in dunstable. I think the tory proposed policy is fair. Both my parents recently had to go into a care home and they are having to sell the house. They probably would have preferred to stay at home but could not have afforded to do that with the current policy as it stands because the level of care they require wouldnt be covered by they require wouldnt be covered by the savings. So i think the policy is fair, with the protected £100,000 i cannot see what is unfair and i would like to see what the labour party are going to do . We will ask them ina party are going to do . We will ask them in a moment. There will be a cap now. Theresa may said there will be an absolute limit on the care costs people would pay, do you agree with that . I would like to know what thatis, with that . I would like to know what that is, but i agree on the fact there will be a discussion on it. Would you like to know before the election what the cap is . would you like to know before the election what the cap is . I would like to know but it wont change my vote. I would like to talk about social care. We have worked all our lives to buy our house and educate our children. We dont think the current policy that the conservatives have put forward in the manifesto is fair, and the cap i would like to see considered to be a percentage cap rather than just would like to see considered to be a percentage cap rather thanjust a cap somewhere along the line. I do wonder how on earth the care companies, the caregivers, are going to afford to provide the care if you dont pay your fee from your house sale when you die. Were you worried about potentially after your death, your house being taken from you . No, i dont mind paying for my care. I have worked all my life, but i do think the way they have put forward this proposal has been ill thought out. Good morning. I am denise from Milton Keynes, a retired Public Sector worker currently working with a Health Charity and a carer for two of my Adult Children who have mental and physical health problems. I continue to struggle to find appropriate and timely care. This com plete appropriate and timely care. This complete nonsense by the conservative party that Parity Of Esteem, extra funding for Mental Health, it is not ring fenced so the Clinical Commission groups are using it wherever. And how can you blame them when the funding has been drastically cut . As a carer i am supposed to have an assessment, the staff have been cut four to one so i have a just wait before i can even getan have a just wait before i can even get an assessment. In this area we are part of a sustainable scheme which is nationwide. Milton keynes is being linked with luton and dunstable and bedford. Make no mistake it is for cuts. In our region maternity and a e is up for grabs. What that means is your loved one will have a half hour ambulance journey to the nearest a e, thats once the ambulance finally gets there. Thank you. Good morning. I have lived in england for 22 years, iruna have lived in england for 22 years, i run a care home in luton looking after people with learning difficulties. My question is to the labour. Prospective. We know what you mean. I know what the conservatives have done since 2010, they have cut local funding to local authorities. I look after clients and we are expected to, with the living wage that came in, we are supposed to pay staff but the funding for looking after the Service Users has not been increased. The Central Government has cut the funding, and i want a note from the other parties what they are proposing to make sure that they are proposing to make sure that the funding is provided and where they will get the money from. Lets ask them. In terms of nhs and social care, Emily Thornberry, you are in total promising the most over the next five years, but in your ma nifesto next five years, but in your manifesto you actually say short Term Funding Solutions for social care will not address the fundamental long term challenges of our ageing demographic. Then you propose a short term funding solution. Lets take it step by step. Without a doubt, obviously our country. Our populations are changing. We are living longer and there needs to be proper thought put into what our Long Term Solutions will be in relation to social care, particularly for the elderly. Its not right for a Political Party to call a Snap Election and then have a Snap Solution to social care which is pulled out of a hat by theresa may and a couple of her advisers in number ten. Those who supported her plans at she was trying to come up with something sustainable instead of, as somebody suggested here, getting money from the magic monetary. I was a shadow Social Care Minister and i remember after the election in 2010 going into number ten and we were supposed to be doing cross party ten and we were supposed to be doing cross party talks and we were serious about trying to come together as two Political Parties to find a solution and we got nothing but the ru na round find a solution and we got nothing but the runaround from the tories. In the end they pulled out of those negotiations. The important thing is that for every pound spent in social ca re that for every pound spent in social care you that for every pound spent in social ca re you save that for every pound spent in social care you save ten in terms of the nhs. We cannot have elderly people going into a e in crisis because they have fallen over and there is not somebody looking after them, and then for them not to be able to go home because there are some support in their homes. Lord newby, you cut money from social care, how has that contributed to the crisis we see today . I think the question we see today. This is the second time you have asked me a question about what happened when we were in coalition. Im asking how much it has contributed to the crisis today. Undoubtedly the cuts in social care which we started have contributed to the problems we face today is the question is what we do about it. We have said we need to port a very specific tax proposal that funds social care and health, and thats why we are saying there should be a penny on income tax so that you can ring fenced money going into health and social care that is sustainable in the short term the next parliament but thereafter you have dedicated social care tax. Everybody pays in, everybody benefits. Loudly, yes or no, lib dems are proposing 1p on income tax, is that something you would support . There were more yeses than noes. You certainly cannot have a solution without money, there may be other things you need to do but we need the money as well. Dominic raab, what did you think of theresa mays capitulation on the social ca re mays capitulation on the social care plan published in the manifesto and then she changed it a few days later . I wouldnt have characterised it as capitulation. How would you describe it . I do take the point the gentleman made about alzheimers and dementia. It is a massive burning social issue and what we have tried to do is grapple with the issue on three principles. If you can afford to contribute to your own care, that is important, but you will never on those assets or income come down below a level that you cannot give £100,000 to your family, and a second safeguard is a cap on cost. We have said we will consult on that. Someone always pays for this. When people say the state should step in, it is taxpayers who will receive an increase in income tax. I respect the fact that the Liberal Democrats are trying to do that. But we are the only ones who have set out a financially solvent way of dealing with this. And emily has spent her whole response to the gentlemans question not setting out what labours position is. That is why we get the brickbats on this. We have a costed manifesto. You have no costings in your manifesto. Where is the £8 billion that you claim you will put into the national Health Service . Less just will put into the national Health Service . Lessjust deal will put into the national Health Service . Less just deal with will put into the national Health Service . Lessjust deal with what the ifs have said. Where will the £8 billion come from for the nhs . We will have real term increases each year, rising to 8 billion in the la st year, rising to 8 billion in the last year. Wherefrom . Things like means testing the winter fuel payment. Where. We have set out a range of tough decisions. That is why we get stick about this. So the Winter Fuel Allowance will pay for the 8 billion . You dont go into a budget and hypothecated saving to the amount they goes in. But that is what you expect the other parties to do. I would expect that overall, you have a sensible package with public finances, you are trying to ease the burden on families. So some savings from the winter fuel payments. We would not be subsidising Free School Lunches for well off parents. We would rather the money went into the nhs. What about free school brea kfasts . Nhs. What about Free School Breakfasts . Does that add up to 8 billion . You have to look at the savings in the round. We mentioned the ifs, the independent institute for fiscal studies. They have suggested that your plans to raise £49 billion in taxes, you have miscalculated. Having worked it all out, they think it will be 41 billion. So there was a big shortfall there. So when you promise people tens of billions for the nhs and social care, you will not be able to raise that money. We have said to the ifs that they are being pessimistic about this. We think our measures will work and we are happy to talk to them about it. Within our ma nifesto, to talk to them about it. Within our manifesto, there is room for us having underestimated the amount that we might raise in taxation. We are happy to engage with them. And we would like the Office For Budget Responsibility, a government body, and we said this about our previous ma nifesto and we said this about our previous manifesto as well. There will always be fights about this. Let the 0br look at our manifesto. They have what you dont like what they came up what you dont like what they came up with, so you dismiss it. , well, the office of budget responsibility is given this as its job and we are happy to engage with them, but let them look at both manifestos. John nicolson, Nurses In Scotland Have had a cap on their pay since 2008. Help is devolved. Why havent you removed that cap by now and given them a pay rise . The Scottish Government has met the independent Pay Review Bodies recommendations. So they dont deserve a pay rise . They absolutely deserve a pay rise. So is that going to be in your ma nifesto . So is that going to be in your manifesto . Lets see what is in the ma nifestos. Manifesto . Lets see what is in the manifestos. As you know, mps get into trouble if they leaked bits of the manifesto in advance. But nurses in scotland get paid more than nurses in england. A nurse in Scotla Nd Nurses in england. A nurse in scotland told Nicola Sturgeon last week that she had to use food banks. Is that acceptable . Well. Of course nurses shouldnt go to food banks. That goes without saying. I dont know the details of that knowss case, so it is difficult to comment. But i felt we left that discussions without understanding from dominic what the cap was going to be for people suffering from dementia. He said he would consult about the dementia tax, but i dont know what that means. For a lot of people who are scared about their assets and their future, they want fa cts assets and their future, they want facts when they enter the General Election. These guys say they will negotiate a good brexit deal for us, and they cant even give a simple a nswer to and they cant even give a simple answer to a simple question. We can. We said we want to consult what the cap should be. We want to listen to the experts in the field. After you have stopped listening . Why dont you do a bit of listening . The question is about the balance between what the taxpayer pays, which means taxes going up, or what individuals contribute. And that is a very sensitive issue. These are the principles. We have put more detail into our planned on any of the others have done. 0k, detail into our planned on any of the others have done. Ok, i am going to hear from the others have done. Ok, i am going to hearfrom some more voters. The others have done. Ok, i am going to hear from some more voters. the others have done. Ok, i am going to hear from some more voters. I am a carerfrom to hear from some more voters. I am a carer from west london and to hear from some more voters. I am a carerfrom west london and i think people should know what it is like. There are 6. 5 million of us caring, unpaid. 800,000 of us get cares allowa nce. Unpaid. 800,000 of us get cares allowance. I care for my two Adult Children who have complete medical needs. I care 168 hours a week, through the night. I have two to three hours of broken sleep a night. That means i am earning 37p an hour. I have been in a four year war with social services. I havejust had my assessment. They have got a incorrect four times and they are going to give me three hours were spiked a week, for which they tell mei spiked a week, for which they tell me i can go to the cinema and ah about three hours of respite. So if i leave, get the bus to richmond, what do i do, watch the adverts and then come home and do another half hour handover . Then come home and do another halfhour handover . Is there a party that you think is going to help you and yourfamily that you think is going to help you and your family when that you think is going to help you and yourfamily when it that you think is going to help you and your family when it comes to this issue . Definitely labour. And are you happy with where they say they are going to get the money from in order to pay the nhs . At least they are looking at carers allowa nce they are looking at carers allowance and want to raise it to bring us up to an implement benefit. At the moment, we are paid less. Unemployment benefit. at the moment, we are paid less. Unemployment benefit. I am andy from dunstable. I am unemployment benefit. I am andy from dunstable. Lam here unemployment benefit. I am andy from dunstable. I am here with my wife. I have been with my wife17 years and she suffers Mental Health problems. 17 years ago, everything was working out all right. The hospitals dealt with it well. We had good staff. Now, it has deteriorated so much that the police have to arrest someone that the police have to arrest someone to take them to hospital. There is no way she can walk in and get help. We have to get the police round and get her committed to get help. That is shocking. I would pay more money to see that she gets looked after. Suzanne evans from ukip, you too are saying you would put more money into the nhs and social care, 11 billion by 2020, to be paid for how . Well, the money is there. Ukip has a 35 billion spending pot. Where have you got that from . We have that with output to get single penny on taxes. We scrap hsz, this viciously expensive vanity project. We will use the money we get when we leave the European Union in two years time, with a bit of luck. We are going to cut the foreign aid budget so we are paying on a par with the United States of america, 0. 2 instead of 0. 7 . That is £11 billion that could help fund the nhs and social care. We have heard the stories around this room today of how desperate it is. Dementia was the first thing we talked about. We will have a National Dementia plan which is desperately needed to get the expertise together. We will fund that the tune of £400 million a year, so that the tune of £400 million a year, so we that the tune of £400 million a year, so we get research and treatment on the best funding. Mental health the woman behind me talked about how the Mental Health funding is not ringfenced. That is wrong. Clinical commissioning groups are using it to backfill cuts to other services. We have to invest more in Mental Health and give it the parity it deserves. Hello, i am fiona from aberdeen. I am a disability activist. You are all talking about numbers and money, and there is a notion of suffering under that. There is an ocean of suffering. Figures have been released saying that in 2015 alone in england and wales alone, there we re in england and wales alone, there were 30,000 excess deaths caused by cuts to health and social care. Tens of thousands of disabled and sick people are dying every year. There have been hundreds of suicides. I spent 48 hours after the last General Election tried to talk people out of killing themselves. And i didnt always succeed. People are dying here, and nobody cares. I have friends who have been helping resettle disabled people in scotland because at the very least, we have a Scottish Parliament which is trying its best with limited funds to protect people against the worst of these cuts. People have been fleeing england for their lives. We have an nhs that is stretched, but it works. But with the Work Capability assessment, Napier University just released evidence about how it causes almost universal public meltdown. It kills people. I have friends who were institutionalised after going through it. It is an act of violence and we are dying. This election is life or death for us. Anybody who votes for the conservative party, who are going to keep going with these cuts, they are complicit in those deaths. Let the conservatives dominic raab respond. There are plenty of Heart Wringing stories here and nobody could be anything other than moved by them. Could you turn around . She is literally behind you. We have put more doctors and nurses into the nhs. We have got a renewed focus on Mental Health and trying to make sure we take the pressure off big hospitals in the manifesto. But the raw truth is that the money has to come from somewhere. I can think of lots of things i would like to avoid making difficult decisions on in lots of areas like the Health Service or schools and put more money in. But unless you have a Strong Economy creating the revenue, it isjust a childish Strong Economy creating the revenue, it is just a childish wish Strong Economy creating the revenue, it isjust a childish wish list. We are doing our best to get the balance right between responsible public finances. Balance right between responsible public finances. So you choose to sacrifice Tens Of Thousands of disabled people for the sake of that . This is the sixth richest country in the world. It is a choice that people make in scotland. We have a limited block grant and they still managed to create a Health Service which functions. They still create a care service which functions. You are choosing to sacrifice us. Why wont you scrap hsz sacrifice us. Why wont you scrap h52 and give 5 billion to the nhs instead . It is not something anyone wants. It will only help you get to leeds ten minutes quicker. It is very simple. And you give away money in foreign very simple. And you give away Money Inforeign aid. Very simple. And you give away money in foreign aid. Absolutely. Labour and the lib dems are complicit in that as well. The woman from scotla nd that as well. The woman from scotland raises an important point about disability. As an mp, you are often the last port of call for people to talk to you about their problems. I had a woman who came to see me who was living with dwarfism, and she had been assessed with zero disability points. They were taking away her car. She said, i cant get my lead from the subway car to the platform. I cant climb the escalator because i cant reach the handrail. If they take my car away, they will force me out of the workplace and i will be on benefits. That is the reality of the way some of these Disability Cuts are biting. It is immensely cruel. We are rich country. It is a question of what are our priorities. It seems to me we need to be able to raise more taxation from the richest who have done very well over the la st who have done very well over the last few years, and what we are asking for in the labour party is those with the biggest shoulders to pay some more. We can still raise Corporation Tax and be the lowest rate of Corporation Tax in the g7, we can raise money and look after the most vulnerable. What kind of society are we that doesnt do that . Some messages from people watching around the uk. Allen on twitter says my brother is disabled, hes terrified of further benefit cuts and the dementia tax. Hes not terrified of the ira. Ian says why should people be paying taxes for the whole of their life when in later life they need to sell the house for care . The conservatives are the only party worth voting for, labour underJeremy Corbyn is failing to hold voters and going downhill fast. 0ne failing to hold voters and going downhill fast. One more, social care isnt just about an downhill fast. One more, social care isntjust about an ageing population says james on twitter, its also about giving people with disabilities independence and self respect. Keep them coming in. In the next hour we will talk about brexit, the economy, immigration and housing. Get in touch in the usual way. Now, the weather. Iwill housing. Get in touch in the usual way. Now, the weather. I will bring you the latest on the Bank Holiday Forecast shortly but first some cracking shots. These are some of the spectacular scenes we saw across parts of south east england. Massive storms moved up through Northern France overnight and pushed into the north sea. We saw close to 120,000 Lightning Strikes in the space of 12 hours from 6pm last night to 6am this morning. Heres those storms as they worked across the channel. Many across the south Saw A Welcome Drink Of Rain before the show was moved off. The best of the sunshine in east anglia and the south east, most fairly cloudy. We got outbreaks of rain at the moment, Northern England into Northern Ireland, southern and western scotland. These areas wettest throughout Bank Holiday Monday. But we will season breaks in the low cloud across parts of sunderland and into the moray firth. If you get them, a bit of sunshine, up if you get them, a bit of sunshine, up to maybe 18 degrees. Foremost across the eastern coast, cool and cloudy. Rain across Northern England and northern wales, but in the afternoon some of the showers could become heavy and thundery. We could see the cloud breaks lift the temperatures, 23 or 24, and across east anglia we could see some storms to finish the day. Tonight, drier and quite. Still see some rain and drizzle mainly to the north of scotland. It should not be a chilly start tomorrow morning, 10 13. There isa start tomorrow morning, 10 13. There is a change on the way into tuesday with rain across Northern Ireland through the breakfast period, that then works across parts of scotland through the morning and early afternoon. A rumble of thunder here, the same too over Northern England. Across the south west much cloudier and brighter. Cooler elsewhere but it will feel very pleasant enough sunshine. As we go into wednesday, a ridge of High Pressure building so if you are in the half term break at the moment there is some good news, wednesday and thursday looking dry. Not quite as hot as the weekend but the sunshine overhead not as strong as it was. Hello. Its monday, its 10 oclock im Victoria Derbyshire and were live in dunstable in bedfordshire. The head of the General Election in ten days time, you have been telling us who you trust most when it comes to National Security. I dont think the guy that whats to cosy up with the terrorists if the guy to defence us against the terrorists. What really annoys me about the tories and the tory media, the day after manchester, it was there, corbyn has got blood on his hands. Ukip once more integration and a ban on the burqa. To cover your face and to be told to do that, that is anything but emancipation for women. Anything but emancipation for women. If you are told to that i agree with you but many women out there choose to do that. The nhs and social care is an issue you have been saying will affect how you vote onjune been saying will affect how you vote on june the 8th. I am glad theresa may did a u turn, but its time you scrapped that policy altogether, went back to the Drawing Board and started again, talking to people who understand it. I think the policy is fair, protecting £100,000 i cannot see what is unfair and i would like to see what the labour party would do. Throw magic beans at the problem, i dont know. We are the only ones who have set out a credible financially solvent way of dealing with this issue. Emily has spent her whole response to the gentlemans question not setting out labours position. We have costed manifesto. Emily. You have no costings in your manifesto whatsoever. Where is the £8 billion you claim you will put into the nhs going to come from . You havent even tried. We will talk about brexit and housing with our audience and politicians, and you can get in touch this morning. Here are the details. Applause we do need to know why you are mr dunstable. Isnt it obvious . What was that . I missed that. Two years ago i went up for mr bedfordshire, i got a call and applied, i have done Charity Stuff in the local area and i won it so Charity Stuff in the local area and iwon it solam Charity Stuff in the local area and i won it so i am now up for mr england. Whoa we have never had a mr dunstable on the programme and we are very mr dunstable on the programme and we are very happy. We will talk more about General Election issues in the next hour, before that a summary of the news withjoanna. Thank you. The Security Service m15 is to hold an inquiry into how it dealt with information from the public concerning the bomber. Authorities were warned about Salman Abedis extremist views on at least three occasions but failed to stop him carrying out the attack. Police say theyve arrested a 23 year old man in the seaside town of Shoreham By Sea Near Brighton in connection with last weeks Manchester Terror Attack. It brings the total of people arrested over the attack to 16, 14 of whom remain in custody. A police guard remains in place at the address. Officers are also searching properties in manchester and chester. British airways says it promises to run a full long haul schedule at heathrow today although some short haul services will still be disrupted. The company is facing paying out millions of pounds in compensation after the failure of its Computer Systems led to widespread disruption over the weekend, with over 1,000 flights cancelled. Customers have expressed frustration over a lack of information. More than 200 drivers a day have been caught using their Mobile Phones in the month after the law was changed to bring in tougher penalties. According to figures obtained by the press association, thats the equivalent of one offence every seven minutes. The penalty for using a phone while driving doubled to £200 and six Penalty Points in march. New drivers now face losing their licence altogether. Police in county down say a lone gunman was responsible for shooting a man dead in front of his young son in bangor. The 35 year old father was approached in the car park of a sainsburys supermarket and shot several times among crowds of shoppers. Officers have called it a cold blooded murder. Japan has lodged a protest after north korea fired a missile which landed in its waters. The scud missile, which was launched from north koreas eastern coast, travelled around 280 miles before crashing into the sea near the japanese mainland. Steven finn, Toby Roland Jones and liam dawson come into the side, with england already having wrapped up the series win. To tennis and britains aljaz bedene is under way in the first round of the french open. Hes up against american ryan harrison. Huddersfield are looking for promotion to the premier league, and much worth £170 million to the winner. And a spectacular crash at the annual indy 500 race in the us. Dixon elided with howard at 178 mph. Luckily both drivers walked away with dixon suffering a slight ankle injury. Thats all good morning, and welcome back to dunstable. This morning we have talked about security, the nhs and social care. It is almost a year since the uk voted to leave the eu, setting off a chain of events which have led to this General Election, and talk about brexit dominated the early pa rt and talk about brexit dominated the early part of the campaign. We will leave the European Union, and take control of our money, take control of our borders, take control of our laws. Only labour will negotiate a deal that preservesjobs, access the single market, and preserves rights and access, not plunge our country into a race to the bottom. Injune last year, we voted for a departure, but we did not vote for a destination. So i want you to have your choice over your future. My message to people in scotland, whether you voted remain or to leave, is to vote snp to strengthen our hand to get a deal that does not sacrifice scottish jobs and the economy. Ukip goes into this Snap Election determined to hold the governments feet to the fire on brexit. We will act as the governments backbone in these negotiations. We are pledging to put wales at the heart of the negotiations to leave the European Union, so that the final deal reflects the needs of the welsh economy. 0ur Election Manifesto will not only include a ratification referendum, but it will make very clear that one of the options on the ballot paper is precisely the option to remain in the eu, if that is what the people choose. Is it . Lets hearfrom the is it . Lets hear from the voters today. Good morning. Hello, i am wendy from Milton Keynes. We will be voting ukip. I do feel that because there are1 Million People more immigration coming into the country every three to four years, the population growing so fast, they keep pushing the pension age up for everyone, and they keep saying its because people are living longer but in actualfact i because people are living longer but in actual fact i think the real reason is because of the out of control immigration into the country. Does wendy have a point . Not to me she doesnt. The day after the brexit vote i felt like i had been punched in the gut and 11 months later i feel exactly the same. I months later i feel exactly the same. Lam months later i feel exactly the same. I am an immigrant, i months later i feel exactly the same. Lam an immigrant, i have been living here for 27 years. Since then i have been told to go back to dublin, i have been told you are not the kind of immigrant we want to get rid of. Im not sure which was worse to be frank. Im told im not committed enough to this country because i havent taken british citizenship despite the fact i employed people. Wendy, is it all right if liz stays in the uk . Of course, we want immigration but we need to keep control of it because, you know, we just. Need to keep control of it because, you know, wejust. The country will run out of money in the end and we wont be able to. Im doing my best to pay my taxes, wendy, and im employing people who do that too. Brexit is happening whether you like it or not, liz. I hope not, but i will vote lib dem. If the people who voted brexit think they are so right, i dont understand why they are so right, i dont understand why they are so scared of having a vote on the terms. Lets have a show of hands. Do you want a referendum on the final brexit deal . Again, this is totally unscientific, but that is a majority. I know you are not all lib dem voters in this room. The audience is balanced, but that is interesting. Somebody said yes . You wa nt interesting. Somebody said yes . You want a final say on the bike to deal . On the brexit deal. Want a final say on the bike to deal . On the brexit deal. Yes. That is the job of the politicians, but it should be backed by the people. And the vast majority of people. And the vast majority of people should support it. Who doesnt want another vote . Yes. I campaigned for brexit and i did so quite successfully in stoke on trent. I am a lawyer. The idea ofJeremy Corbyn Negotiating A Brexit or engaging in brexit fills people with terror. I think theresa may is the right person to negotiate a brexit. Also, she is the right person to say she has the courage to walk away. If you look at the labour party manifesto, they say they wont leave unless they got a good deal. That is giving in your best car before you have played it. After we saw the Change Of Heart over her holding a General Election, the Change Of Heart over raising insurance for seven point people and the change of care over Social Policy that if theresa may is leading the brexit negotiations, if she comes under a bit of pressure, she comes under a bit of pressure, she might fold . I think theresa mays primary concern, like the majority of the conservative party, is to do the right thing. Sometimes you have to test policies, but if youre wrong, its important to have the courage to say so. And trim it. Not necessarily a u turn. the courage to say so. And trim it. Not necessarily a uturn. I am jeff from bedford. I have voted conservative all my adult life and this is the first time i cant do it. Why . | this is the first time i cant do it. Why . I cant stand theresa may asa it. Why . I cant stand theresa may as a person. There is something about her i dont like. My question to the conservative gentleman is, after calling the Snap General Election after we have started brexit negotiations, realising that you cant get a good deal, have you called this Snap General Election and have you created a Manifesto Thatis and have you created a manifesto that is marginalising the people who would normally win your election to purposely lose this election so that you hand over brexit to the labour party, who then have to deal with it . It is all too superficial. In terms of conspiracy theories, that is one mother but in a few years time, labour will not have a good deal and the tories will come back. Let me introduce the politicians. The audience is balanced to represent a fair proportion of people voting for each party as well as some undecided voters. Also with us is dominic raab, Formerjustice Minister for the conservatives, Emily Thornberry for labour on foreign affairs, dick newby, leader of the liberal Democrat Group in the house of lords, Don Mickelson is the snp spokesperson on culture, media and sport. Suzanne evans is the deputy chair of ukip and will moy is from full fact. Which is an independent Fact Checking charity. It is ourjob to Pay Attention to what everyone is saying and tweet when we have checked the facts. The brexit bill, there are all sorts of figures that britain will apparently have to pay when it comes to leaving the European Union. What kind of figure might we be looking at . The figures we have heard have ranged from 20 billion to £100 billion. They are all back of the Envelope Calculations at the moment. They would be worked out in a political negotiation between us and the rest of the eu. The logic underneath it is that the eu is committed to paying for things which the uk also signed up for when we were members. The argument is about how much of thatis the argument is about how much of that is now our responsibility. The uk government seems to expect that we are probably in for some of it, but how much is a political fight. Dick newby for the lib dems, where would you find the money to pay our Brexit Liabilities . Well, brexit costs the country. We will be poorer asa costs the country. We will be poorer as a country if we leave and if we left without a deal, it would be catastrophic for some sectors of our economy. So in this part of the world, peugeot has a big plant. If we found ourselves without a deal and with tariffs on all the goods going back and forward making those vehicles, the impact would be disastrous. How would you pay our Brexit Liabilities . Well, the Brexit Liabilities, compared to the overall costs of brexit, are relatively small part. But where would you get the money from . As we have discussed, we believe the chance of getting a deal which is better than our current position is as near zero as makes no difference. Therefore, the people should decide. You are not going to answer the question. we get no deal, we revert to trading on World Trade Organisation terms. And if there are tariffs, that is a windfall to the treasury of £12 billion. We would be quids in. Youre assuming the economy would collapse. Even the Financial Times this week has had to report that investment into the uk has not Falle N Investment Into The Uk has not fallen as a result of brexit. This scaremongering must stop. People voted for brexit and it is time the lib dems got behind it. It would Meana Lib Dems got behind it. It would mean a £12 billion windfall to the treasury. It could be 50 or 60 billion or 100 billion. Treasury. It could be 50 or 60 billion or100 billion. Dominic raab, where will the government get the money . If this was a legal liability, we would pay as we are a law abiding nation. Liability, we would pay as we are a lawabiding nation. Theresa may says in her manifesto that the government would make a reasonable contribution and come to a fair settlement. This is an open political posturing exercised by the eu. 0f is an open political posturing exercised by the eu. Of course, there are mutual areas where we might want to contribute because their mutual interests. For example, in terms of dealing with the migrant crisis in the mediterranean, or making sure we contribute to important Law Enforcement issues. But the bottom line is, someone said these brexit negotiations will be crucial. They will affect how much revenue we have to put into Public Services and in just ten days time, we have the choice between two people who will ultimately lead those negotiations. Imagine that Negotiating Room in brussels. Jean claude juncker, Angela Merkel are the, some tough cookies. Who do you want going in there to leave these negotiations, which are going to be tough, and take britain forward . To be tough, and take britain forward . Donald trump, somebody said we cant hear you if you are not on the microphone. My name is shahid khan. Iwork not on the microphone. My name is shahid khan. I work for a Global Insurance company with offices across the continent, sol Insurance Company with offices across the continent, so i have some understanding of the implications of the uk leaving the eu. Dominic, as to your point about theresa may, didnt Jean Claude Juncker call her deluded not long ago . Lets not go down that path. He made all sorts of unsavoury remarks. And she said, i am not going to be bullied, and he apologised for those remarks. That is what you get with a tough leader. Sir, which party do you trust . would prefer to have keir starmer leading the negotiations. He is the labour shadow brexit negotiator. Let me hearfrom Emily Thornberry. What is labours brexit policy . Our policy is that we want to have the same economic benefits outside the European Union as we had within the European Union as we had within the European Union. We are leaving and we need to remain close. We have two priorities. The First Priority of any government is the safety of its citizens, and the second is the economy. We are talking about peoples Living Standards and jobs. Never devoted to be poorer and never devoted to lose theirjob, whether they voted to leave or remain. Those are our priorities. There is a lot of personal nonsense coming out of dominic here, but you said it yourself that theresa may has shown the europeans that if you put pressure on her, she was way. But Jeremy Corbyn, whatever people say about him, they know he is a principled man. When he says he will do something, he will do it. Where would you get the money . M do something, he will do it. Where would you get the money . It depends on the liabilities. We own a lot of infrastructure within the European Union, so we could set that off. The gentleman behind, you run a business. As a Small Business owner who sells within the common market, i must face the fact that the conservatives Hard Brexit Tariffs will make me uncompetitive and destroy my lifes work creating employment and a Growing Business for a vote for labour, on the other hand, with their request to pay a bit more tax, will mean that my effective total tax rate will go up to 90 , hardly an incentive to work 16 hours a day with no holidays. From my despair, it was suggested to me that i transfer my business onto the continent, where my customers will still see us as competitive and i will pay a lot less tax. Can the politicians suggested reason why as a sane person, politicians suggested reason why as a sane person, i should not follow my advice and transfer my business to the continent . Is this serious . Absolutely. I am now in the final stages. I have already become nonresident. As far as i am concerned, this will destroy my lifes work, so i have no choice. How do you feel about leaving the uk . I have worked abroad many times. So with the deepest despair, because iam so with the deepest despair, because i am english and i want to be here, but i cant survive. John nicolson from the snp, having heard michaels story, his plight, what would you say . I have spent a bit of time in germany recently because i sit on the house of Commons Select Committee and reordering the brexit report. The thing that senior german politicians say consistently is how chaotic the conservative Government Ministers here are in terms of preparation. David davis turned up toa preparation. David davis turned up to a house of Commons Select Committee and said he hadnt priced the cost of leaving for the uk. Sol think we will get a very tough brexit deal which will be terrible for the uk. And the reason theresa may is holding this election now is because she wants a silenced opposition because she knows that when we know the details of brexit, people are going to be furious. Let me have a quick word about immigration. Suzanne evans, ukip wa nt to immigration. Suzanne evans, ukip want to bring down net migration to zero over the next few years. When one person leaves, you will let one person in . That is not how it works. It is about balanced migration. It is about giving our country than to re cover is about giving our country than to recover and our Public Services time to recover. Over a five year period, we we re to recover. Over a five year period, we were hammered approximately the same numberof we were hammered approximately the same number of people leaving the country, between 250000 and 300,000 a year, and the same coming in. So we will still invite to britain up to 300,000 people a year. And we will choose the brightest and the best and the people with the skills we need and the people who contribute to the economy and can look after themselves. It is the kind of thing that labour politician frank field has been talking about for years. But if britain needs surgeons. For years. But if britain needs surgeons. Then we will bring insurgents. We will bring in the surgeons. So you will not have to allow someone to leave before you bring in foreign surgeons . What about Fruit Pickers . What about bar staff . These are jobs that british people can do. At the moment, there are not doing them because they are being undercut in terms of wages. That is nonsense. This country needs immigration. Particularly in scotland, we have a population that has always welcomed immigrants. One of the advantages of brexit for scotland would be that we could set our own immigration policy. Let me ask. Dick newby from the lib dems and Emily Thornberry from labour, the latest net migration figures are 240 8000. Is that about the right level for you . I dont think the target is the point. The point is what the Economy Needs, and the Economy Needs doctors, nurses, people working in the horticultural sector. So it could be more or less than that depending on the economy. Emily thornberry of labour, 248,000, is that the right level for you . think the country is fed up with politicians putting forward arbitrary targets and then failing to reach them. They are fed up with being lied to about this. We are leaving the European Union. We will need fair rules and managed migration. We have to balance the needs of our economy with the needs of our communities. Of course we need to have immigration. Of course we need to have fair rules. Dominic raab, which europeans are you going to turn away to bring down the migration to Tens Of Thousands . No single nation. In the last year we have seen migration come down by 2596, we have seen migration come down by 25 , we are starting to get a grip on it but brexit creates the right opportunity for controlled migration. There is a huge area between open door immigration which we had under the labour party, and closed door migration. Stop that, im not going to let you make things up. We need flexible, sensible Visa Arrangements so we get the workers we need. What we are not going to bring in is wholesale, cheap labour. That is the balance. What doesnt make sense to some people is that youve always been able to control immigration from outside the European Union but thats not down to the Tens Of Thousands either. Maybe you cannot do it . We have already got in the last year alone net migration down by 25 . We are introducing stricter access to housing and the nhs. Brexit creates a huge opportunity, notjust because of the volume coming from the eu but also because of the rules. Let me bring you will moy from full fact. Picking up the point wendy made about the pension age. People who immigrate tend to be young so they are probably not the ones responsible for why the pension age is going up. You often get immigrants coming in after they have received their education, working and then going home as it were to be older. And much less likely to apply for benefits than people born in this country. This is where it gets more complicated. There have been lots of studies and there is no simple answer to that, it is hard to measure. Most say the overall impact on finances is small, probably around a penny in the pound, and its good for the economy, we probably end up with slightly more money than the government spends. ama money than the government spends. am a gp. Your biggest risk is not immigration it is actually emigration, doctors and nurses are leaving the uk to go to other countries. I am from west london. Picking up on one of Dominic Raabs points, the opportunity for visas also allows for the opportunity to control people coming in and out. Also safeguarding people as a mechanism for exploitation, because i see myself in london walking around, i often wonder if there are quite a few people who are falling through the gaps of society. I think thatis through the gaps of society. I think that is something opening up the debate and its a worthwhile point. Gentleman over here. My name is taylor and im a student at edinburgh. The lib dems want to have another referendum on the eu but i think we should have another referendum on independence because Scotla Nd Referendum On Independence because scotland has obviously decided it wa nts to scotland has obviously decided it wants to go down a different path to the rest of the uk and i think it is our democratic right that we have that choice to make a decision whether we choose to go down the anti immigration isolationist past or open ourselves up to the world because they are our closest friends and we need to work with them to create peace and prosperity in this world. Thank you. Lets talk more broadly about the economy in the uk. Lama broadly about the economy in the uk. I am a british palestinian, a Small Business owner i am a british palestinian, a Small Business owner in i am a british palestinian, a Small Business owner in luton. I wa nt Small Business owner in luton. I want to take up the the tories have been using the things about brexit and just isolating it from Everything Else in the economy. The real fact is when you vote in this election and you are thinking about brexit, you have to relate it to how this country will be. Do we want our nhs funded . Do we want schools to teach our children . Do we want a syste m teach our children . Do we want a system where we are going downhill . In the 19205, roosevelt introduced a new deal. They didnt have money because they were in a worse state than our country in the 205, but they invested and the tories are going on a downward spiral. So would you be happy to see for example labour are promising to borrow £250 billion over a decade to invest in infrastructure, you would be happy to see that added to the borrowing because you think it is a price worth paying . The price you pay for growth in the economy is having better wages, better investment, having the money to finance schools. Emily, how much would the economy grow if you invested 250 billion pounds over a decade . That is hypothetical, i cannot tell you, but ican hypothetical, i cannot tell you, but i can tell you austerity is not working. Did youjust. I can tell you austerity is not working. Did you just. 250 i can tell you austerity is not working. Did youjust. 250 billion plucked out of the air . We have to have another way. Whites 250 billion . There must have been some kind of modelling. Of course, we looked at where we need to invest in particular, and we said we would have a fiscal rule book looked at by the Office For Budget Responsibility and make sure when we are investing in the economy that is resulting in growth so that we could cut back on our debt. And over the period of parliament we would start cutting back on the deficit too. In the end there has to be another way than this. We cannot just there has to be another way than this. We cannotjust carry on with this. We cannotjust carry on with this decline. Thank you. Dominic raab, what is the Current National debt . I tend to think in terms of the deficit. Off the top of my head im not sure. It is 1. 7 trillion. What was it when the conservatives came to power in 2010 . what was it when the conservatives came to power in 2010 . I dont know. It was 1 trillion. Are you shocked that after seven years of the conservative government you have added £700 billion to the countrys debt plan . Luck can i answer your question or are you just going to carry me . Until you control the deficit you will not get the debt coming down. We understand that. Im not sure everyone knows how this works. You may. We have got the deficit down. Three million newjobs created since 2010, and income equality is lower than it was in 2010 so all of this pessimism about going to help in a handcart. We have had an uptake in inflation but the Bank Of England expect it to come down next year so we have made huge progress. The deficit will be paid off by next year, did you say . No, isaid paid off by next year, did you say . No, i said debt starts to come down from this year, from next year. No, it is projected to go up. The deficit has come down 252 billion. We inherited the worst budget deficit. Do not go backwards at this election. Go forwards. Thats nonsense. Thats very childish. Excuse me. The last administration, the last labour administration, wasnt it the chancellor left a note on the table saying no money left . We have got to have somebody who knows how to balance the cheque books and also i get it, we have got to have investments, we have got to have investments, we have also got to know where we are spending money that will make us money at notjust spending money that will make us money at not just spend spending money that will make us money at notjust spend it spending money that will make us money at not just spend it without having any return. Good morning. We cannot hear you if you dont have a microphone. I am marion, im retired, i am chief childminder to the family. I want to say, if things are improving so much under the tories, why are so many people using food banks . Applause do you want to respond to that . Like you said about food banks, also like you said, you are the main child carer, this is what people have to do. If it werent for our parents, like my childrens grandparents, we wouldnt be surviving. If it wasnt for their help, you know, you look after your kids kids, so you are, you know. This is. Some people think life is really tough under the conservatives. In terms of the food bank issue, i have studied the data and the typical user of a food bank is someone who has a cash flow problem, not languishing in poverty. That is what the Trussell Trust says. The Trussell Trust would be outraged by you saying that. L says. The Trussell Trust would be outraged by you saying that. A lot of people are feeling the pinch so we have taken 4 million of the lowest pa id we have taken 4 million of the lowest paid out of income tax altogether. We have introduced the National Living wage, and we are trying to make sure we have got the economy that creates the jobs and wages and make sure people keep more of the money. You are telling the country on this programme that the Trussell Trust, who deal with poverty, told you personally that the problem with food banks wasnt people on the bread line but people having cash flow problems . Im dying to hear from them when they hear you have said that. They keep data that they update quarterly and annual leave on the reason people are coming to the food banks and that is what i am siting. Enough people are using food banks because their salaries havent increased. People are not able to save any money, people are in crisis. People who are on low wages and benefits, having to use food banks, do you think anybody in this country should have to use a food bank . We are the sixth richest country in the world, it is a disgrace anybody has to go to a food bank and use it there trying to convince people why people are having to use them. I can hear Emily Thornberry agreeing with the lady who has spoken now, but the ifs have pointed out that if labour were to win 40 of households would suffer a significant cut to the income because of a cut on benefits you would not reverse. Those people who are in work and getting benefits as well will get a pay rise. We have got £2 billion each year over the five year period. Got £2 billion each year over the fiveyear period. Are you lifting the freeze. . Fiveyear period. Are you lifting the freeze. . I fiveyear period. Are you lifting the freeze. . I am fiveyear period. Are you lifting the freeze. . I am trying to answer you, victoria. Are you going to reverse the conservative cuts . We have money set aside to reform the benefits system and make sure we stop cuts like we have talked about specifically, the bedroom tax, the benefits cup, and the reason we have set this money aside this because we need to look again at the benefits system and the unfairness that we have heard spoken about today. Nurses should not be going to food banks, people should not need to rely on food banks. We are one of the richest economies in the world, this is not right. Will moy from full fact, what about the figures of people using food banks and the potential relation to those on benefits and who have been sanctioned . It is very hard to say in broad terms exactly why people are using food banks, obviously its because they need food at the simplest level. There are about 1. 2 incidents of people using them this year. In areas where benefit sanctions go up, Food Bank Use goes up, when benefit sanctions go down Food Bank Use goes down. Thats not to say it is all about benefit sanctions. We do have good evidence thatis sanctions. We do have good evidence that is part of the picture. The ifs when it looked at the facts labour would still mean the poorest 30 of households would suffer a significant hit to their incomes, they sent with the benefits freeze, cuts to child credits, 3 million working families will be £2500 a year worse off. How is that helping beat just about managing . Year worse off. How is that helping beatjust about managing . We have had to make difficult decisions but you have got to take into account the dynamic affect on the economy of making sure you are firing on all cylinders, creating jobs, improving productivity, and then letting people keep more of their own money either through the National Living wage or the extension of the income tax personal allowance. We have seen huge progress since 2010 but i dont pretend there arent difficult decisions. If you go to this childish wish listJeremy Corbyn has put out which is not funded, we will go back to the parent state of the public finances in 2010, even worse. Is there anybody here who is not going to vote in the General Election in ten days time . A gentleman here. Not many. Hi, good morning. Can i speak . All of this comes down to money. We are squandering our money by giving it to foreign aid and nasa. Are you going to vote . I dont know whether iam going going to vote . I dont know whether i am going to vote, because it seems to me that no matter what party is in government, they are squandering money left, right and centre. They a lwa ys money left, right and centre. They always have done. We are the only party going into this election that work at the foreign aid budget and promise not to put a single penny on that. The gentleman here is going to explain why he is not going to vote. This is what im talking about. It seems like no one here is encouraging me to trust what they are saying. All of you are bringing up are saying. All of you are bringing up some valid points, i guess, but from my perspective, its all about who i think i can trust with the country. If im honest, Jeremy Corbyn seems like a nice guy with some good things he wants to put in place. And other parties have good things to put in place. But whether it will really affect me personally, i dont know. I am not convinced by anyone. And overhear . If you havent got a microphone, dont interrupt. was originally thinking of possibly lending my vote to theresa may this time because of brexit, but unfortunately because of the social ca re unfortunately because of the social care things and her small coterie of people around her who brought out this manifesto, i am so disillusioned now that i may decide to vote for none of the above. Ladies and gentlemen, can i introduce you to Helen Pankhurst, the great granddaughter of Emmeline Pankhurst . As you know, shes the granddaughter of sylvia pankhurst, Leading Light of the british suffragette movement. Hello, everybody, thank you for being here and thank you for this discussion. These are such difficult issues and so emotive, but i think the is not to not vote, for all the reasons that i represent and with that positive response you had, which is an epitome of why we need to value how difficult it has been to get here. We are holding that baton at the moment and we need to hand it onto the next generation. We cant just say it too complicated. As individuals right now, it is a bit like being in a jigsaw puzzle where everything has been strewn out there and we are individual bits of that puzzle. We either dont form a collective, we dont form part of the democracy, or our little colour, our little values all slot in. And maybe we dont like the overall picture, but our little voice in there is there. Its counted, its measured. So please, for the sake of the past, for the sake of the present, for the sake of the future generations and for being part of that collective, at one moment when we are asked to really be part of our democracy, vote. I personally feel like either way, its a the dice. It is a roll of the dice. It is particularly important that young people should vote. 0ne important that young people should vote. One of the great things about the independence referendum that we had in scotland was that whatever side you went for in the end, we got a huge amount of voter registration. Young people are motivated like never before. In my constituency, 91 of people voted. That is democracy in action. How does andrea respond to Helen Pankhurst . Firstly, where i am in harbour none with a conservative mp, it is difficult if you want to vote elsewhere i am in harpenden. In the referendum, your vote counted for something. I hope one day, i can vote for a government of unity. I dont know how bad things will get, but everybody has good points and i would like to be able to vote for a government where we can really make a change and really tackle problems. Cani a change and really tackle problems. Can i respond to that . I think that firstly, the points that have come out here about there being too much point scoring and not enough collaboration. . Megabus is exactly what i am trying to say. That is exactly what these parties need to listen to. Down the line, these decisions affect all of us and i think parliament is at its strongest and most effective when we talk across our geographical and political differences. I also think it is the people who are least empowered who are least likely to vote, and i think that perpetuate a cycle that is problematic. If you feel passionately that your vote doesnt count, then look at things like the greens not losing their deposit. Gender issues, making sure we have gender representation, making sure we do things other than the one collective moment. Even having your voice at events like this is powerful. Please, please vote. 0k. This is powerful. Please, please vote. Ok. We havent got long left. We are going to talk about housing in the minutes we have left. The cost of buying a house in the uk has never been higher and so many of you feel priced out of the market. Its estimated we need to build an extra 300,000 homes each year in england alone to satisfy demand. So what are the parties promising to do about it . All the parties are promising to build more houses, as parties do before a General Election. But the conservatives and labour have failed to meet their own targets in the past once they got into power. Some quick views about housing around the room . I am Rosanna Campbell from edinburgh. Iam room . I am Rosanna Campbell from edinburgh. I am 18 and housing means a lot to me. I became homeless when i was a lot to me. I became homeless when iwas16, a lot to me. I became homeless when i was 16, due to difficult circumstances. I found it i was 16, due to difficult circumstances. Ifound it really difficult to get a house. I am now 18 and difficult to get a house. I am now 18 and i have still not got my permanent house, but i will get it this year. But i have witnessed friends of mine who were younger than me and have not had any to stay. They have been on the street. They have not got anyone to look after them. What i want to ask you quys after them. What i want to ask you guys is, as a party, do you think thatis guys is, as a party, do you think that is fair . Would you allow your children to be on the street and not have anybody to support them . Let me get a snapshot. Go for it. Like i said about affordable housing, a lot of it seems to be for investors bringing in people. In luton, we sold off a building to Milton Keynes for their homeless. We are still got the same housing problem, so the numbers dont come down there. Also, building on green land is an issue. Let me hearfrom building on green land is an issue. Let me hear from the guy behind you. Lama let me hear from the guy behind you. I am a student in london and the problem is with landlords. I feel they are buying more and more properties and becoming richer and richer at our expense. It is making it so hard for any student to ever be able to buy a house. It is a huge issue. I see figure saying you will be 40 before you own a house. I am 20 now. That is double my age and i am worried about coming out of uni with huge debt. What will i be able to do . Lets hear what politicians are promising when it comes to building more houses. 30 seconds each, dick newby of the lib dems. For young people, there are a number of things that need to be done to make sure they are not homeless in the way that roseanne says. We need to restore housing benefit for 18 to 21 year olds. And the state needs to give a loan to young people to have a deposit for theirfirst give a loan to young people to have a deposit for their first flat. Ukip say 100,000 new homes a year but only for younger people . Young people need to be ever to get on the housing ladder. Up to the age of 40, you are fine. You have 20 years. We can provide up to 100,000 new homes a year that will cost less than £100,000. There will be affordable. They are modular homes and they can be built quickly on brown field sites where it is clear to infrastructure, and we can also take the £1 billion we will get back from the £1 billion we will get back from the European Regional Development fund to create factories to train people to build these homes where the jobs are needed and then build them where homes are needed. Emily thornberry, labour say 1 million homes over the next five years. 2 million homes were built under 13 yea rs of million homes were built under 13 years of labour. What will be different this time thes we mean this. We have a manifesto that has been costed and we mean to build 1 million homes overfive been costed and we mean to build 1 million homes over five years, with 100,000 of those being Affordable Homes to buy or rent. We have listened to the younger generation. We are going to do something about rent controls so that people are not exploited, and we will help young people coming out of university because we see no reason why they should be up to their eyeballs in debt. They should have a chance to set up their own families and not have to wait until they are 40. If you are renting until you are 40, when were you set up a family home . We have built thousands of Affordable Homes since 2010. We want to build another 400000 by 20 20. We wa nt to build another 400000 by 20 20. We want to support the councils and Housing Associations to build more homes both for rent. You have no figures. Anyone can look at our plant in the detail online. My pa rents were our plant in the detail online. My parents were our first generation to own a house. They only rented before that. I know how important this is. 0ne that. I know how important this is. One of the great tragedies was the right to buy scheme and what happened to the cash. Both labour, sadly, and the conservatives failed to invest that money and that was an enormous missed opportunity. It has created the tragedy we now see, with people like this guy unable to buy his own home. We need more social housing. Will moy from full facts, do you know how many houses we need to build per year to keep up with demand . The best estimate we have is between 240000 and 250,000 a year. am so sorry, we havent got any more time. Daniel on twitter says the conservatives and ukip will deliver the brexit that was promised. We will be completely out of the eu. Labour want half will be completely out of the eu. Labourwant half in, will be completely out of the eu. Labour want half in, half out. Barbara on Facebook Says yes, the public should get a vote on the final brexit deal. Never trust a conservative. They will make sure their millionaire chums will be all right before the public. Graham on twitter says labour left us skint seven twitter says labour left us skint seve n yea rs twitter says labour left us skint seven years ago and with their policies, they left the conservatives to pick up the pieces. Expect the same again. Another on twitter says labour care about the many, while the tories care about the rich and big business. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much. Give yourselves a round of applause. Thank you for your time. We are back tomorrow. Dojoin us thank you for your time. We are back tomorrow. Do join us then. It isa it is a Bank Holiday Monday and of course, there is some rainfall in the forecast today but while we have had a cloudy start today are some of us have had some sunshine. Look at this lovely scene in kent. Some grey skies in saddleworth, near 0ldham, though. For the rest of today, we will see heavy showers developing across parts of east wales into northern parts of england. Rain for Northern Ireland spreads into scotland. This evening, most of the showers will move into the north sea. Clear skies as we go into tuesday. This area of rain will push into scotland. Fresher and brighter conditions across much of Northern Ireland into scotland, northern and western parts of england as well. Across the south east, we could see temperatures of up to 22 celsius. This is bbc news. Im lukwesa burak. The headlines at 11. 00am a 23 year old man is arrested in connection with the Manchester Terror Attack in the sussex town of shoreham on sea Near Brighton. Police are also searching addresses in manchester and chester. The latest arrest brings the total number of people in custody to 14. British airways says its flights are gradually returning to normal blue peters longest serving presenter, john noakes, dies at the age of 73. British airways says its flights are gradually returning to normal after a global system crash, although there are still some cancellations. 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