how are you? it's like a weird. numbness. i know that's a selfish point of view. but you come to a point where you just think, "how much are you supposed to take?" if all of those people that write all of that stuff... do they ever think that there's actually... ..a person at the other end? and so... ..hereiam, um... are you feeling 0k to do this? are you feeling strong enough to do this interview? yeah, i have to. why? why do you want to do this interview? because there is an innocent person here who didn't do anything wrong. who is...vulnerable... ..and probably feels like i do. let me say, you know, a lot of my questions are going to be uncomfortable and, let's face it, intrusive. but you've chosen this opportunity to tell your side of the story. and there are questions that your viewers, all the people who supported you over the years — including your family — will want answers to. there's also, of course, lots of questions for itv in all this. you mentioned this young man, and at the centre of recent events is a young man who, together with many others in the media, we're not going to name. under article 8 of the human rights act, he has a right to privacy, and he's not here today to give his own account of events. when did you last speak to him? um... as i engaged the lawyerfor him. um... so...he needed independent support. and so that was the last time. where did you first meet this young man in question? what were the circumstances? i was invited by a friend of mine to go to open a drama school. and that's where the picture was taken. whether it was immediately or sometime after he said, "will you follow him on twitter? because he's a fan." so i said, "yeah, sure, no problem." which i did. and he was, what, 15 at the time? yeah. i follow 11,300 people. and in all the time i've been on twitter, there has never been any whiff of impropriety. and then... ..he... ..asked if he could... ..visit the studios, work—experience type of thing. i said, well, come down and have a look — for sure. which he did. how old was he when he first said to you "i'm interested in television"? was he 18 by that point? 19, then, i would think. 19 by then. when you look back now, if you were to look back at those messages now, is there any sense in so, that was my. just then think about it. if so, that was my. just then think about it. , ., ., ., so, that was my. just then think about it. ., ., ., about it. if you are to look back at those message — about it. if you are to look back at those message now. _ about it. if you are to look back at those message now. is _ about it. if you are to look back at those message now. is there - those message now. is there any sense in which you are flirting with him? ., �* , ., :: sense in which you are flirting with him? .,�* , ., ::_,, him? no, i've been for 20 years in television. — him? no, i've been for 20 years in television, nothing _ him? no, i've been for 20 years in television, nothing like _ him? no, i've been for 20 years in television, nothing like this - television, nothing like this before. accusations, this is all accusations. which is why only to put them to you. if accusations. which is why only to put them to vom— put them to you. if you're honest now, if put them to you. if you're honest now. if you _ put them to you. if you're honest now, if you think _ put them to you. if you're honest now, if you think back _ put them to you. if you're honest now, if you think back to - put them to you. if you're honest now, if you think back to that, i now, if you think back to that, because unless this happened since then, if you think back to the initial interactions, was there and initial interactions, was there and in the mint of it that was sexual? no. , so there was a period of several years where he did meet him question mark yeah, i haven't seen them. and when you met him in person was there a moment of sexual attraction then, even? absolutely not. attraction then, even? absolutely not- actually _ attraction then, even? absolutely not. actually not. _ attraction then, even? absolutely not. actually not. so, _ attraction then, even? absolutely not. actually not. so, to - attraction then, even? absolutely not. actually not. so, to be - not. actually not. so, to be absolutely _ not. actually not. so, to be absolutely clear, _ not. actually not. so, to be absolutely clear, how - not. actually not. so, to be absolutely clear, how old . not. actually not. so, to be l absolutely clear, how old was not. actually not. so, to be - absolutely clear, how old was this meant when you had any kind of sexual contact with him? 20. 20. because this is obviously the nub of it, to put speculation to rest, did you have any kind of sexual relationship or sex with him when he was underage? ida. relationship or sex with him when he was underage?— was underage? no, god no,. in my statements. _ was underage? no, god no,. in my statements. it _ was underage? no, god no,. in my statements, it says, _ was underage? no, god no,. in my statements, it says, consensual. statements, it says, consensual relationship, fully legal which was approved by woodside. luntimely relationship, fully legal which was approved by woodside.— relationship, fully legal which was approved by woodside. when he got work experience _ approved by woodside. when he got work experience at _ approved by woodside. when he got work experience at the _ approved by woodside. when he got work experience at the show, - approved by woodside. when he got work experience at the show, he's . approved by woodside. when he got| work experience at the show, he's 20 years old at this stage. back by that stage at 20 he had come in for a visit but we went out because he was going to be picked out and a word he was going to be on his own. i said will wait and let's have a bite to eat. it was not a meal but a way for someone to pick him up. so, don't worry and don't go it's on your own and someone picked him up. at that point you weren't in any sort of relationship? ida. at that point you weren't in any sort of relationship?— at that point you weren't in any sort of relationship? no. how long after that was _ sort of relationship? no. how long after that was it _ sort of relationship? no. how long after that was it that _ sort of relationship? no. how long after that was it that you _ sort of relationship? no. how long after that was it that you had - sort of relationship? no. how long after that was it that you had the l after that was it that you had the beginnings of a sexual relationship with them. he had been working at the show for a few months. and would become mates. we were meets. i run the studio as you hang out together in church to each other and that sort of stuff. and then in my dressing room monday, something happened. which obviously i will regret forever for him and for me. mostly him. but that happens maybe four or five times over the next few months. and i know it's unforgivable. but we weren't boyfriends, we weren't in a relationship will stop i was really in a mess with my own sex at the time and itjust happened. home in a mess with my own sex at the time and itjust happened. time and it 'ust happened. how old was he at time and itjust happened. how old was he at this _ time and itjust happened. how old was he at this stage? _ time and itjust happened. how old was he at this stage? 20 _ time and itjust happened. how old was he at this stage? 20 or- time and itjust happened. how old | was he at this stage? 20 or 21. how else where you try to help him? what does where you happen to do him question mark we have been in meets people? i question mark we have been in meets --eole? ., , ., ., question mark we have been in meets ..eole? ., , ., ., , people? i did a show and help them and i think there _ people? i did a show and help them and i think there was _ people? i did a show and help them and i think there was before - people? i did a show and help them and i think there was before any - and i think there was before any contact. i and i think there was before any contact. ., ., , ., , ., contact. i have to put a show room touether. contact. i have to put a show room together- so _ contact. i have to put a show room together. so after _ contact. i have to put a show room together. so after he _ contact. i have to put a show room together. so after he got - contact. i have to put a show room together. so after he got it - together. so after he got it experience with the show. he together. so after he got it experience with the show. he got the 'ob. he experience with the show. he got the job- he was — experience with the show. he got the job- he was very _ experience with the show. he got the job. he was very good _ experience with the show. he got the job. he was very good at _ experience with the show. he got the job. he was very good at his - job. he was very good at his job. everybody loves them and worked very hard. it’s everybody loves them and worked very hard. �* . . . everybody loves them and worked very hard. �*, . ., ., everybody loves them and worked very hard. fl. ., ., , .,, hard. it's clear from the testimony that at the — hard. it's clear from the testimony that at the people _ hard. it's clear from the testimony that at the people think— hard. it's clear from the testimony that at the people think he's - that at the people think he's usually talented. massively talented. before we get to the relationship, if we go back, you are specific in your wording and the relationship about how it was unwise and not illegal. the question of legality centres are on your quests a relationship with him before you're 18. a relationship with him before you're18. before you met him when he was 18, your relationship was occasional direct messages where really practitioners at all? just career advice _ really practitioners at all? just career advice and _ really practitioners at all? just career advice and career advice. really practitioners at all? just i career advice and career advice. i know sexual forwardness or any of that stuff? 0k. how long did you have a relationship with him that was sexual in nature? has i have a relationship with him that was sexual in nature?— have a relationship with him that was sexual in nature? as i said, it robabl was sexual in nature? as i said, it probably happened _ was sexual in nature? as i said, it probably happened five _ was sexual in nature? as i said, it probably happened five times, - probably happened five times, maybe six times. but nothing more than that. 50 six times. but nothing more than that. so when did your relationship with him and _ that. so when did your relationship with him and and _ that. so when did your relationship with him and and why? _ that. so when did your relationship with him and and why? i _ that. so when did your relationship with him and and why? i was, - that. so when did your relationship with him and and why? i was, at i that. so when did your relationship. with him and and why? i was, at the time, with him and and why? i was, at the time. really — with him and and why? i was, at the time. really in _ with him and and why? i was, at the time, really in a _ with him and and why? i was, at the time, really in a beginning _ with him and and why? i was, at the time, really in a beginning to - time, really in a beginning to get into a very poor mental state with my own sexuality and i thought that was bad. nothing like this. and i think it drifted. we still stayed meets. we are still mates. we still stayed friendly and i got some work because, obviously, you know living in london you're struggling to stop i got him runnersjobs on other shows that i did because he was a good runner and a metes and someone that you would know. it's always nice to have a team around you a people that you know. did nice to have a team around you a people that you know.— nice to have a team around you a people that you know. did you ever tell holly willoughby? _ people that you know. did you ever tell holly willoughby? no, - people that you know. did you ever tell holly willoughby? no, god - people that you know. did you ever tell holly willoughby? no, god no. | tell holly willoughby? no, god no. that's a bigger _ tell holly willoughby? no, god no. that's a bigger question _ tell holly willoughby? no, god no. that's a bigger question because . tell holly willoughby? no, god no. | that's a bigger question because we have, our makeup room, was like a sanctuary. it has always been a sanctuary. it has always been a sanctuary. so, you tell everything in that room. holly knows everything about me and i know everything about holly. all the team that is in there when the door is closed, that is a sanctuary. each is a wonder wonderful, environmentand sanctuary. each is a wonder wonderful, environment and something i will miss deeply. and holly, i don't know whether holly ever asked me, she might have done but i would have denied. holly did not know. nobody knew and this has been that cataclysm of the life. is that that meant a lie at the nail, owner gush 0hno not at all. and then the rumour came out and started. and then you will i and you had a workplace sling. you lie about it. a great many people would have had workspace things and lie about it. i appreciate there is a massive gate a gap in age but it happens in life as well. i gap in age but it happens in life as well. ., , ., , ., gap in age but it happens in life as well. ., , .,, ., . gap in age but it happens in life as well. ., , ., . well. i wonder people to ask you, as ou well. i wonder people to ask you, as you say. there _ well. i wonder people to ask you, as you say, there been _ well. i wonder people to ask you, as you say, there been rumours - well. i wonder people to ask you, as you say, there been rumours for - you say, there been rumours for years about not only whether eat if you are gay but your relationship with this particular young man. did anyone on the show ask you if you are gay or in a relationship with this young man?— are gay or in a relationship with this young man? are gay or in a relationship with this ouna man? ., , . this young man? nobody ever asked me about bein: this young man? nobody ever asked me about being gay- — this young man? nobody ever asked me about being gay. but _ this young man? nobody ever asked me about being gay. but people _ this young man? nobody ever asked me about being gay. but people to - this young man? nobody ever asked me about being gay. but people to ask - about being gay. but people to ask you about being in a relationship with this young man?— you about being in a relationship with this young man? when the rumour not bi aer with this young man? when the rumour got bigger when — with this young man? when the rumour got bigger when the _ with this young man? when the rumour got bigger when the rumour _ got bigger when the rumour got bigger will both ask. people will say the circumstances are as followed. you met someone when they were a child and were in a position over part of them and use your power to get something they craved and nurtured a relationship and that then became sexual. they might ask what's the difference between that and grooming? i what's the difference between that and grooming?— what's the difference between that and grooming? i would say that the initial list of _ and grooming? i would say that the initial list of things _ and grooming? i would say that the initial list of things was _ and grooming? i would say that the initial list of things was not - and grooming? i would say that the initial list of things was not right i initial list of things was not right anyway was not tell me why. because it was an innocent picture and it innocent twitter follow of which i follow 11,400 people and it was a completely innocent backwards and forwards over a period of time over a job and careers. what is wrong with that? what is wrong with talking with someone no matter what is er? that doesn't mean if you are filling anyone on twitter you don't talk with anybody else or don't give advice? so, i disagree with the summation that you just gave because it paints a very grave picture. in this case, why do you say it was unwise? your sensitive to the power differential and mindful of the dangers of abuse of power. the brief communications, _ dangers of abuse of power. the brief communications, backwards - dangers of abuse of power. the brief communications, backwards and i communications, backwards and forwards, up to the point that he came to work on the show, i think wasjust checked. came to work on the show, i think was just checked. chat. came to work on the show, i think wasjust checked. chat. what came to work on the show, i think was just checked. chat. what was unwise with the fact that it happened. and that was a very grave error. it was consensual. but happened. and that was a very grave error. it was consensual.— error. it was consensual. but it was m fault. error. it was consensual. but it was my fault- why? _ error. it was consensual. but it was my fault. why? because _ error. it was consensual. but it was my fault. why? because i - error. it was consensual. but it was my fault. why? because i shouldn't of done it- — my fault. why? because i shouldn't of done it- i — my fault. why? because i shouldn't of done it. i shouldn't _ my fault. why? because i shouldn't of done it. i shouldn't of— my fault. why? because i shouldn't of done it. i shouldn't of done i my fault. why? because i shouldn't of done it. i shouldn't of done it. i of done it. i shouldn't of done it. it is entirely my fault. he's an innocent party here and i appreciate how there's a moment, you have a moment, isjust a moment. how there's a moment, you have a moment, isjusta moment. but how there's a moment, you have a moment, isjust a moment. but he is entirely and completely innocent, although it was consensual. i was older. i should've known better. actions of done it. what specifically, do you feel you did that was wrong? i specifically, do you feel you did that was wrong?— specifically, do you feel you did that was wrong? specifically, do you feel you did that was wron: ? ~ ,, ., that was wrong? i kissed someone in the workplace _ that was wrong? i kissed someone in the workplace which _ that was wrong? i kissed someone in the workplace which led _ that was wrong? i kissed someone in the workplace which led onto - that was wrong? i kissed someone in the workplace which led onto a i the workplace which led onto a little bit more. and that retrospectively, of course, my friends have said what the hell were you thinking? you don't do that? you've never done that? . i think there's no excuse. i put no. there are no excuses. it's my fault. but i think the fact that perhaps i was trying to come to terms with who i was and what i was meant to do about it, the effects would have, i think thatis it, the effects would have, i think that is probably the reason to stop do you feel. d0 that is probably the reason to stop do you feel-— do you feel. do you feel that what was morally _ do you feel. do you feel that what was morally wrong _ do you feel. do you feel that what was morally wrong about - do you feel. do you feel that what was morally wrong about it - do you feel. do you feel that what was morally wrong about it was i do you feel. do you feel that what l was morally wrong about it was that it involved a abuse of power because you are in or the guide what more power over him?— you are in or the guide what more power over him? that criticism has been levelled _ power over him? that criticism has been levelled at _ power over him? that criticism has been levelled at me _ power over him? that criticism has been levelled at me but _ power over him? that criticism has been levelled at me but i've - power over him? that criticism has been levelled at me but i've never| been levelled at me but i've never done that in my whole life. i've never abused my power anywhere. i'm not a bully. that mac really that you're supposed to be i don't lord it over tv studios for some everyone is a friend i have gone through all this time most of the messages i have have been from people i work with saint they left work with me. i snapped once right about the time i was coming out, i snapped at one of our producers. after the meeting i got up and went to her and apologise. it's not me. i don't do that. i'm not rude on the studio floor and i don't bully people or lord around. we are all on one level team. that has been the important thing for me in 41 years of television. i thing for me in 41 years of television.— thing for me in 41 years of television. , ., . television. i can see how concerned our for television. i can see how concerned your for the — television. i can see how concerned your for the welfare _ television. i can see how concerned your for the welfare of _ television. i can see how concerned your for the welfare of this - television. i can see how concerned your for the welfare of this man. i your for the welfare of this man. did you love them? no, we werejust mates. your mates. do you know if he has signed an nda? preventing them from speaking question mark i don't know if he has. i from speaking question mark i don't know if he has.— know if he has. i was asked that earlier on- _ know if he has. i was asked that earlier on. did _ know if he has. i was asked that earlier on. did i— know if he has. i was asked that earlier on. did i make _ know if he has. i was asked that earlier on. did i make them i know if he has. i was asked that| earlier on. did i make them sign know if he has. i was asked that l earlier on. did i make them sign a nda? ., ., , y ., earlier on. did i make them sign a nda? ., y ., ~ nda? no, absolutely not. but there was a question _ nda? no, absolutely not. but there was a question if— nda? no, absolutely not. but there was a question if he _ nda? no, absolutely not. but there was a question if he was _ nda? no, absolutely not. but there was a question if he was paid i nda? no, absolutely not. but there was a question if he was paid off. i was a question if he was paid off. if he was paid off, was he paid for silence stop know, god no. so is ys free to speak if he wants to? what's he wants is — free to speak if he wants to? what's he wants is for— free to speak if he wants to? what's he wants is for all _ free to speak if he wants to? what's he wants is for all of _ free to speak if he wants to? what's he wants is for all of this _ free to speak if he wants to? what's he wants is for all of this to go i he wants is for all of this to go away. he wants a quiet life. he didn't wantany away. he wants a quiet life. he didn't want any of this to happen in the first place and i'm sure he completely regrets it but it was my fault, so he is nothing to regret because it was my fault. has there ever been or _ because it was my fault. has there ever been or is _ because it was my fault. has there ever been or is there _ because it was my fault. has there ever been or is there an _ because it was my fault. has there ever been or is there an injunction | ever been or is there an injunction orany ever been or is there an injunction or any nda preventing it media coverage of your relationship with him? ., ~ ., coverage of your relationship with him? ., . ., , . . him? no. when the rumour started and it came to light — him? no. when the rumour started and it came to light and _ him? no. when the rumour started and it came to light and obviously _ him? no. when the rumour started and it came to light and obviously both i it came to light and obviously both of us said what the hell is this? i'm, i don't know, i don't know. i said, and yet, it will go away. i'm sure it will go away. and then it started to grow legs and got bigger and bigger. it was said there was a super injunction it was said that i had gotten fired. 0r moved on. all completely untrue. you worked in television you know the way the process works. you can't have someone moved on without it going through a whole team of people. a line of command. why would this happen? i actually spoke to them the night before, or texted, happen? i actually spoke to them the night before, ortexted, eitherthe night before, ortexted, eitherthe night before, ortexted, eitherthe night before or the morning of i came out and said i will come out tomorrow sup he said that was amazing and brave. well done. i hope it goes 0k. he knew about that. he was never going to out me. we were still mates. and, i think, was never going to out me. we were still mates. and, ithink, at was never going to out me. we were still mates. and, i think, at the time it was written that the sun was going to out me with some aid they wouldn't, be it was illegal. all these things started to grow and he got bigger and bigger. these things started to grow and he got biggerand bigger. he these things started to grow and he got bigger and bigger.— got bigger and bigger. he has been said that the _ got bigger and bigger. he has been said that the sun _ got bigger and bigger. he has been said that the sun had _ got bigger and bigger. he has been said that the sun had a _ got bigger and bigger. he has been said that the sun had a story i got bigger and bigger. he has been said that the sun had a story and i said that the sun had a story and approach november 2019 by a dirt journalist who said he had a story that you had a relationship with this young man or had been in a relationship with this young man. and the third or knew about it and there's a claim know that the the sun knew both things that you are a gate and had a relationship with this young man but they decided not to do the story about you and the young man in return for the exclusive about you coming out. filth. exclusive about you coming out. oh, god no. exclusive about you coming out. oh, god no- no- — exclusive about you coming out. oi, god no. no. absolutely exclusive about you coming out. oi god no. no. absolutely categorically untrue. we had massive meetings about, i did secret whatsapp group called the event of which there were a handful of people. my management, my closest management, me and a guy who was a sort of media lawyer. trying to figure out the most elegant way to do this. holly and i had lunch and were trying to figure out what was the best date and then i was advised when you do which, obviously this is going to be big news. you should really have an interview afterwards. and it was suggested to me that the sun would be the paper to go to. let suggested to me that the sun would be the paper to go to.— be the paper to go to. let me put down what _ be the paper to go to. let me put down what woodson _ be the paper to go to. let me put down what woodson says - be the paper to go to. let me put down what woodson says and i be the paper to go to. let me put - down what woodson says and debunked. a decision had been made for a closer relationship with itv and as part of the relationship the the sun were offered ringside seats to the announcement as a result, they, the the sun would not run the story. that is categorically untrue and i have to say that there are great many things that have been said that her character a cut categorically untrue. i have nothing against dan, i know i've bought myself down to our father greater degree than you would ever done. i brought myself down. i am done. would ever done. i brought myself down. iam done. i have would ever done. i brought myself down. i am done. i have to talk about television in the past tense which breaks my heart. but he continues. and it is relentless and day after day after day after day. if you do that, if you don't think that would have the most catastrophic effect on someone's mind, do you want me to die? because thatis mind, do you want me to die? because that is where i am. i've lost everything. my girls saved my life. they said last week, they haven't left me for a moment. they have been by my side every moment because they're scared to let me out of their site. what is not like for doctors to have to go through something like that? they said to me don't you dare do this on our watch. we are supposed to be looking after you and if my girls hadn't been there i wouldn't be here. because i don't see a future. so, how much do you want a man to take? and are usually only happy when he's that. and this is how caroline flack felt. and this is how caroline flack felt. and it didn't stop. and i know i've done something wrong. i know i've done something wrong. i know i've done seeing something wrong. i've earned owned up to it. but a constant. i have friends texted me this morning said it's relentless and when will it stop. what is the agenda? when will it stop? someone said they're being treated like jack the ripper. i haven't looked at the single thing. that will be the final push. i haven't looked at the single newspaper item. i deleted all the apps and took off notifications and have not looked at my phone or the news but well—meaning people come through to you and said can't believe this has been said. can't believe this has been said. can't believe you're being painted as this person. we love you, we know you. all of those things. still it comes and it is utterly relentless. uncontrolled. 0nline.- and it is utterly relentless. uncontrolled. 0nline. why is all this coming _ uncontrolled. 0nline. why is all this coming out _ uncontrolled. 0nline. why is all this coming out no, _ uncontrolled. 0nline. why is all this coming out no, philip? i uncontrolled. 0nline. why is all| this coming out no, philip? what chanced this coming out no, philip? what changed was _ this coming out no, philip? what changed was the _ this coming out no, philip? what changed was the mark _ this coming out no, philip? what changed was the mark he - this coming out no, philip? “ii"isgi changed was the mark he got too big. the light got too big for both of us. got enormous and was growing and growing and growing. it crossed over from online to mainstream news, and that had to stop for his mental health, it had to stop.— health, it had to stop. itv's osition health, it had to stop. itv's position is _ health, it had to stop. itv's position is that _ health, it had to stop. itv's position is that they - health, it had to stop. itv's position is that they have i health, it had to stop. itv's i position is that they have only put up position is that they have only put up one statement about this. they say the investigated allegations of an improper relationship and were told by you and your mind there was no relationship. in retrogressive, was that investigation a sham? it clearly did not get to the truth. ii clearly did not get to the truth. if you have two people that are aligned, then what can you do question mark what did the investigation amount to? mas question mark what did the investigation amount to? was it up for them to — investigation amount to? was it up for them to you — investigation amount to? was it up for them to you and _ investigation amount to? was it up for them to you and the _ investigation amount to? was it up for them to you and the young i investigation amount to? was it up i for them to you and the young man? he was as quite a bit and i was asked a few times. it wasn't formal. but, i think bear in mind there were two people were in intransigent in their denial, it would have been pretty hard. so, did you co—ordinate your responses together to make sure that lighting gets out? he lied independently you are that independent? hejust didn“t independently you are that independent? he just didn't want his name out there. he wanted it also go away. name out there. he wanted it also go awa . , ., , name out there. he wanted it also go awa. , ., ., ., away. some people would say and are sane and has — away. some people would say and are sane and has said _ away. some people would say and are sane and has said that _ away. some people would say and are sane and has said that it _ away. some people would say and are sane and has said that it stretches i sane and has said that it stretches credulity to suggest that people are the top of itv would not have known about your relationship with this young man. it was knowing that you two are close and people are specifically raise this with the bosses that itv and people say it's quite a shortjourney from that to say and they should have done a proper and got to the truth. isn“t proper and got to the truth. isn't that a reasonable thing for to save, give were talking about abuse of power potentially? give were talking about workplace culture in an era where workplace culture is under the spotlight that not before question mark yes. 0k. and you were saying something you want to correct. let me ask you directly. did you speak to anyone at itv about moving in this young man to another programme? absolutely not. he was a really good colleague. a runner. very good. so, he applied to go to newswoman and got thejob entirely he applied to go to newswoman and got the job entirely on his own merits and i can remember him coming to me and saying, mate, i“m merits and i can remember him coming to me and saying, mate, i'm going to news room for so i said it was fantastic. 50 news room for so i said it was fantastic-— news room for so i said it was fantastic. . . , . , fantastic. so the idea that she was moved on- -- _ fantastic. so the idea that she was moved on... there _ fantastic. so the idea that she was moved on... there is _ fantastic. so the idea that she was moved on... there is no _ fantastic. so the idea that she was moved on... there is no truth i fantastic. so the idea that she was moved on... there is no truth in l moved on... there is no truth in that at all. 0k. there was a barrister to look into an external review on that departure. when you comply with that? yes. when in 2020, activity investigated whether you having a relationship, or when a regular guest on the show made a complaint, a formal complaint to the bosses at itv about toxicity. they appointed an external adviser to do appointed an external adviser to do a review and who found, i quote, no evidence of bullying and discrimination stop what would you say to those people with a given that record it“s say to those people with a given that record it's hard to have confidence in this latest review from itv? i confidence in this latest review from itv? . confidence in this latest review from "v?— from itv? i 'ust hope it will be thorough. — from itv? i 'ust hope it will be thorough. i— from itv? ijust hope it will be thorough. i would _ from itv? ijust hope it will be thorough. i would also - from itv? ijust hope it will be thorough. i would also point. from itv? i just hope it will be i thorough. i would also point out that it would be thorough. some people may be tuxes and see toxicity everywhere because that's a lens they are looking at the world. there is no toxicity. there is no bullying. there is no discrimination at the show. bullying. there is no discrimination at the show-— at the show. you said it, and you said in your _ at the show. you said it, and you said in your statement _ at the show. you said it, and you said in your statement on - at the show. you said it, and you i said in your statement on instagram that there is no toxicity on the show, you are clearly very protective of the programme that you worked on for 20 years and understandably so because that repetition of the programme is taking a big hit. is there if there is no toxicity, why would there have been a formal complaint at the highest levels of itv about some individuals behaviour and, as he described it, the environments? why would former staffers be contacting him to say they signed nondisclosure agreement to, i quote, carver cover up agreement to, i quote, carver cover up the power abuses? i am agreement to, i quote, carver cover up the power abuses? i am unaware of an of up the power abuses? i am unaware of any of that- — up the power abuses? i am unaware of any of that. that _ up the power abuses? i am unaware of any of that. that goes _ up the power abuses? i am unaware of any of that. that goes on _ up the power abuses? i am unaware of any of that. that goes on as _ up the power abuses? i am unaware of any of that. that goes on as well. i any of that. that goes on as well. unless these people not shouting about a sort show they“re unless these people not shouting about a sort show they're not