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"one earth, one family, one future." the 620 slogan omnipresent here in delhi, but in truth, they are deeply divided. president putin is absent. so, too, is president xi. so what can be achieved at this weekend's summit? we will to get into that with our panel — peter ricketts, former national security adviser to the british government. indrani bagchi, ceo of the ananta aspen centre, a think tank here in delhi. a very good evening and a warm welcome to new delhi. just over my right shoulder, that is a great exhibition hall where injust a right shoulder, that is a great exhibition hall where in just a few hours the 620 leaders, joined by others, will begin the first day of the summit. the leaders of the 620 represent two thirds of all humanity, 85% of the world's economic output. the guest list for this weekend's summit might be missing one or two key names, but still, this represents the most important meeting india has ever hosted. prime minister modi has been guiding the 620 agenda since the beginning of the year when india assumed the rotating presidency. and it is a matter of huge national pride. it is impossible to travel a few metres in this city without encountering mr modi on a billboard declaring india the mother of democracy. some of you might question how healthy that democracy is but no question when it comes to the 620's, there has been plenty of open debate. since january they have held over 200 620 meetings, more than any previous summit, in cities right across the country. music india has selected the team of one heart, one family, one in future. heart, one family, one future. music all of us, individually and collectively, have an obligation to contribute to international growth and prosperity. 620 means a lot to me as an indian, and it is the biggest achievement, i think, for the government. - it feels like we are the ones hosting it, that sense of collectiveness is what india's about, and, yes, i'm very excited for it. under modi, india is rising to become an important global player and the prestige of the 620 is an opportunity to show that off. a little earlier, i met up with our south asia correspondent yogita limaye, who has been showing me around a very tidy new delhi. so new delhi is a city transformed. i drove in from the airport today. people were sleeping, pot plants were being put out. they've really gone to town on it. why is it so important? well, a couple of things, but is a part of indian culture we have guests visiting your home, even your home, you clean it up, spruce it up, do something, might draw a pattern outside. so it is very much part of the culture here. but for the government, is also very much a moment to show the world what india's place is in it. and therefore i think it's very important for them to project new delhi as a city of the world. and that's part of the reason why it's been spruced up in while you saw what you did on the way in here. and i look at everybody around us, their young people, the most populous nation, the fastest growing major economy. they've put a lander on the moon in the run—up to this. it's a brilliant opportunity to showcase just how far they've ceom. absolutely. we have a few things, we have become the most populous country in the world this year. you have had, as you said, the moon missions and there was lots ofjoy, lots of pride about that, and now the host of the 620 summit. so for the government, certainly this is that moment. they want to say we are the voice of the people, the global south, as they are calling it, we are the voice of the developing countries. we are people who can talk to you on their behalf. we are people who are middle ground between russia and ukraine. we can be the people who solve problems for the world. and that is how india and the government and prime minister narendra modi hope to position this summit. he is everywhere, on every street corner, feels like an election. but that we are in the run—up to an election so it is important for him personally. absolutely. think this year we will have elections within the next year, probably next year. so it is extremely important politically, and there is a lot connected to that. and i think some part of it, you know, indians are feeling confident. when they step out of this country and go places people recognise the country, the recognised leader. i've had people tell me we've ever had that before. that is suddenly something that this government can take credit for, and it is something which is part of their political pitch as well. and now this gives you the imagery. you have got all of the big presence in the world and of course the russian president and president xi will not be here but you have all the big leaders in the world coming here and shaking his hand and it gives you a big photo opportunity to make that pitch also to the domestic world. to the domestic voter. better rackets, picking up on that last point, india still denied a seat at the security council. —— mike peter ricketts. this is probably the first major geopolitical forum probably the first major geopoliticalforum in probably the first major geopolitical forum in which probably the first major geopoliticalforum in which india has led, so you can understand the excitement and why they're pushing so hard. perhaps pushing a different agenda? so hard. perhaps pushing a different aaenda? , , , ., ., agenda? yes. this is an important moment for— agenda? yes. this is an important moment for india _ agenda? yes. this is an important moment for india to _ agenda? yes. this is an important moment for india to show- agenda? yes. this is an important moment for india to show its - agenda? yes. this is an important l moment for india to show its weight in the world. up to now it hasn't tended to do that, it has tended to position itself as one of the leading countries but otherwise stick to its region in terms of geopolitics. but now india is convening the world and i think mr modi is wanting to present india as the leader of the nonaligned nations, the global south. so perhaps it helps that prison and she isn't there, it allows him to be the uncontested voice of the underdeveloped country. —— president she isn't there. to play the role of broker. i think it will be difficult to come up with any substantive content from the summit in terms of joint declarations. the world is very split on issues like ukraine, but nonetheless, the fact of the meeting, all the attention it to india is very beneficial for prime minister modi and helps him demonstrate that india is now one of the leading voices of the nonaligned countries between the two blocks of american china white so we will talk plenty about ukraine through the programme but i'm told on the sidelines of the summit that the shoppers, the people who carry the papers from one camp to another, they are working on a draft communique but there are deep divisions. we have been in this scenario before as a former ambassador, underformer national ambassador, under former national security ambassador, underformer national security adviser. how difficult it is a text that that everyone agrees on? when the 620 were set up to taylor's —— in 2009 at the height of the financial crisis, everyone was in panic mode and it was easy to bring the 20 largest economies together and come up with some proposals on how to do with that crisis. now the world is much more divided than it was in 2009, part of the value of this summit is not going to be what the written texts are but the time that leaders can spend together over the coffee machine, in bilaterals, getting alongside each other. when it comes to the written text i suspect there will not be any form of words that even the most subtle diplomat could come up with to bridge the gap between the us and uk on side and foreign minister lavrov presenting putin on the other side. in indonesia a year ago they settled for a text that said most member states are critical of the war, but some others disagree. i doubt they would even get that this year. but the meeting is important as a place to get together and hold those off the record bilateral contacts. indrani, peter is often comes down to personal relationships. already today at the letters arrive we have seen various bilateral meetings. the one we really focus on was prime minister baodee presidentjoe and that's become an important relationship since the state visit to washington injuly. but how close? are the two people who can really together now?— really together now? yes, well, it isn't really — really together now? yes, well, it isn't really just — really together now? yes, well, it isn't reallyjust biden _ really together now? yes, well, it isn't reallyjust biden and - really together now? yes, well, it| isn't reallyjust biden and baodee. the indie — isn't reallyjust biden and baodee. the india us relationship has been transformed at least for the past couple _ transformed at least for the past couple of — transformed at least for the past couple of decades, and it's been a work— couple of decades, and it's been a work in _ couple of decades, and it's been a work in progress since then. true, every— work in progress since then. true, every us— work in progress since then. true, every us administration and indian government that has come in since the year— government that has come in since the year 2000, we are at a point where _ the year 2000, we are at a point where the — the year 2000, we are at a point where the two countries are closer than ever. — where the two countries are closer than ever, particularly in terms of their— than ever, particularly in terms of their strategic relationship, and if you looked at the joint statement that was— you looked at the joint statement that was issued tonight after the meeting — that was issued tonight after the meeting between the two leaders, biden— meeting between the two leaders, biden and baodee, you see that the breadth _ biden and baodee, you see that the breadth of— biden and baodee, you see that the breadth of the relationship —— biden and modi _ breadth of the relationship —— biden and modi. particularly in terms of aerospace. — and modi. particularly in terms of aerospace, civil, nuclear, emerging technologies, basically the future, a lot of— technologies, basically the future, a lot of the future technologies, that of— a lot of the future technologies, that of the future areas in terms of climate _ that of the future areas in terms of climate etc, — that of the future areas in terms of climate etc, india and america are positioning — climate etc, india and america are positioning themselves together. so that is— positioning themselves together. so that is very interesting. conceptually, indrani, the 620 makes a of sense because the world economy has shifted to this part of the world but actually, as peter says, since 2008, 2009, they did an awful lot —— but didn't do a lot during the financial crash but since then the financial crash but since then the records are pretty sketchy, why does the 620 not achieve things at the g7 does the 620 not achieve things at the 67 or the un security council or the 67 or the un security council or the other big international forums? my the other big international forums? my sense is, you know, if you look at 620. _ my sense is, you know, if you look at 620. it — my sense is, you know, if you look at 620, it was literally resurrected from _ at 620, it was literally resurrected from a _ at 620, it was literally resurrected from a finance minister's group to a leaders _ from a finance minister's group to a leaders group, principles group. it was in _ leaders group, principles group. it was in the — leaders group, principles group. it was in the middle of the crisis. but ithink— was in the middle of the crisis. but i think the — was in the middle of the crisis. but i think the 620 in the last decade has evolved as literally the only representative multilateral grouping. but it hasn't yet got the executive — grouping. but it hasn't yet got the executive ability that the un security council does. the g7, executive ability that the un security council does. the 67, you know, _ security council does. the 67, you know. it _ security council does. the 67, you know, it makes decisions literally for a _ know, it makes decisions literally for a small— know, it makes decisions literally for a small group of countries now because _ for a small group of countries now because there is a large swath of the world — because there is a large swath of the world that remains untouched by those _ the world that remains untouched by those decisions. the hope is that decisions — those decisions. the hope is that decisions at the 620 would be much more _ decisions at the 620 would be much more inclusive and taking a larger part of— more inclusive and taking a larger part of the — more inclusive and taking a larger part of the world than the other groups— part of the world than the other groups that you talked about. and 'ust groups that you talked about. and just quickly. _ groups that you talked about. fific just quickly, peter, part groups that you talked about. fific just quickly, peter, part of the problem is of course, it is driven ijy problem is of course, it is driven by division, is notjust the united states and china, it is india and china, the us and russia, it becomes very difficult when you have a larger group to keep everybody on the same page, they tend to split into their various groups, don't they? into their various groups, don't the ? , , :: into their various groups, don't the? , ,::.., .,, into their various groups, don't the? , ,:: ., they? yes. the 620 can only achieve somethin: they? yes. the 620 can only achieve something when _ they? yes. the 620 can only achieve something when the _ they? yes. the 620 can only achieve something when the major— they? yes. the 620 can only achieve something when the major countries| something when the major countries have an alignment of interests. and over the last ten or 15 years that alignment has been narrowing. to the point now of the war in ukraine, i think the factoring is wide open so it would be difficult to reach an agreement on anything. there are technical issues like the debt of poor countries, like help with climate change adjustment, but perhaps they can come out with some quite specific agreements on particular areas, quite specific agreements on particularareas, but quite specific agreements on particular areas, but there is no great appetite between russia, china, the us and uk to come out with broad statements of global principles of the moment because the major countries are to divided. {lilia major countries are to divided. ok, for the moment, _ major countries are to divided. 0k, forthe moment, peter, thank you. joining me from media house here in new delhi is mr suvrokamal dutta. he's a foreign policy analyst and a supporter of india's ruling party, the bjp. welcome to the programme. we have been talking about the draft communique which they're working on this evening. you will know about the tensions surrounding ukraine. what do you think are going to get when it comes to the final statement?— when it comes to the final statement? ~ , :: , , statement? well, the 620 summit this ear in india statement? well, the 620 summit this year in india is— statement? well, the 620 summit this year in india is being _ statement? well, the 620 summit this year in india is being held _ statement? well, the 620 summit this year in india is being held in _ statement? well, the 620 summit this year in india is being held in a - year in india is being held in a very complex kind of situation. we do understand that the last couple of months, there has been this raging war between russia and ukraine. western countries have their own take in relation to ukraine. russia has its own take in relation to ukraine. 0ur honourable prime minister has said this many times and we have advocated this many times, that the 21st century is not an era of war but it is an era of peace, tranquillity and brotherhood. the theme of the 620 summit here in india is based on that notion itself, the notion of one family, one world and universal brotherhood. it is based on the ancient sanskrit scripture. 0ur honourable prime minister has said it many times to his excellently the president of russia as well as his excellency the united states of america that it is time to negotiate and come to the table and find out a lasting solution in relation to this conflict. , ., ., _ conflict. understand that by the prime minister _ conflict. understand that by the prime minister has _ conflict. understand that by the prime minister has also - conflict. understand that by the prime minister has also talked l conflict. understand that by the - prime minister has also talked about the global south and poverty in the developing nations. when you have a war that is cutting of grain supplies, you have to hundred and 50 million people around the world who are food deprived, don't you have to take a side on the war for the good of people outside ukraine and russia? , ., , , ., russia? yes, absolutely. there are many pertinent _ russia? yes, absolutely. there are many pertinent problems _ russia? yes, absolutely. there are many pertinent problems which - russia? yes, absolutely. there arej many pertinent problems which are being faced by the global world. one is in relation to the recession across the globe. we have this international labour crisis, then we have this issue of environmental degradation, the carbon issue. and many platter of other issues in relation to food security and impoverished nations and their hopes and expectations from the developed world. so there are a plethora of issues and india has spoken about all of this in different forums, whether it was in the brics or in shanghai or in the asean summit anything our prime minister and foreign minister will be advocating this. so my understanding we need to come out to a kind of consensus to route —— volition relation to all these important issues, which is very, very important for the global world. our prime minister has advocated the idea of 6 2i, world. our prime minister has advocated the idea of 6 21, in which the african union should be included. i would go a step forward, i would say that in future, we really have to think about the incorporation of the pacific island countries, the small countries of micronesia, polynesia, you know, which have been unrepresented, so therefore it has to be, in my understanding, have a kind of holistic picture, it has to be 6 22 in future as such. so these are important issues in which i think it has to be a consensus across the global leaders.— has to be a consensus across the global leaders. very good of you to 'oin us global leaders. very good of you to join us this — global leaders. very good of you to join us this evening, _ global leaders. very good of you to join us this evening, thank - global leaders. very good of you to join us this evening, thank you - global leaders. very good of you to | join us this evening, thank you very much indeed for your thoughts. we are going to take a short break. you're watching bbc news. let's look at some other stories making news. in the uk, a member of the public has reported seeing escaped terror suspect daniel khalife leave a food van in wandsworth, following his escape from prison on wednesday morning. the police are also exploring the possibility that staff at the prison might have helped malmo. —— khalife. the anniversary of king charles' accession has been marked in the uk by gun salutes in london, edinburgh and cardiff. soldiers and horses who took part in queen elizabeth ii's state funeral procession returned for the accession day anniversary salutes in the king's honour. the king and queen visited crathie kirk, close to balmoral castle. health authorities in the uk have published new data about the latest covid variant. it appears to show that transmission is taking place in the community although there's not enough data to know how much of a threat it poses to public health. you're live with bbc news. tomorrow the british prime minister rishi sunak will meet for a bi—lat with prime minister modi. quite a moment, when you think about it — two hindu heads of government meeting — the old power and the new. and certainly in terms of size, the old colonial power is now the junior partner. india, the most populous nation on earth, has a population three times the size of the british empire at its peak. so from a uk perspective, a free trade agreement would be hugely valuable and an important part of that wider "indo—pacific tilt" which mr sunak is after post—brexit. here's what he said before the meeting earlier today. the 620 is a broad group of countries, and they have different perspectives. but it's still important to be talking to people, to be engaging, to be highlighting things like russia's aggression and the impact it's having. it's still important to have these conversations. peter ricketts, on round 16 of the trade negotiation, what is the main sticking point for the british government?— sticking point for the british government? sticking point for the british rovernment? ., , ., , ., , government? india is always a very tou~h government? india is always a very tough negotiator. _ government? india is always a very tough negotiator. they _ government? india is always a very tough negotiator. they need - government? india is always a very tough negotiator. they need to - government? india is always a very tough negotiator. they need to be| tough negotiator. they need to be very careful in making sure that a great deal will have their own market. they are now as you say the dominant economic player in the relationship. i think the sticking point tends to be in the uk side around the indian demands for more visas for indian businessmen, students, quicker processing of visas, anything that looks like an easing of restrictions on migration towards uk even for business, i think we need to just keep also a perspective on what this trade deal would do. of course it is very symbolic, it's important for both countries, it is important for both countries, it is important for both countries in a pre—election period, but the government's own assessment is that if the tariff barriers that currently there were done away with, british 6dp would increase by a princely 0.05% by 2020 —— 2035. if there was a competitor or it might increase by 0.1% 6dp. so this is not going to be a game changer either for the british the indian economy. it is symbolic and would help certain industries. that helps keep it in perspective.— it in perspective. indrani, clearly there has been _ it in perspective. indrani, clearly there has been massive - it in perspective. indrani, clearly there has been massive growth l it in perspective. indrani, clearlyl there has been massive growth in it in perspective. indrani, clearly - there has been massive growth in the indian economy, it is the fastest growing of the major economies at the moment but when you compare it in size to china it is one fifth of the site so there is plenty of upside for india. i get the sense given the direction mr sunak is coming from that this is a deal that will get done at some point but we have two election spending, it will maybe get shoved a bit further down the line. i maybe get shoved a bit further down the line. ~' ., , ., the line. i think the indians are actually very — the line. i think the indians are actually very keen _ the line. i think the indians are actually very keen to _ the line. i think the indians are actually very keen to complete| the line. i think the indians are - actually very keen to complete this deal _ actually very keen to complete this deal they— actually very keen to complete this deal. they have been at it and they really _ deal. they have been at it and they really wanted it last year, there are a _ really wanted it last year, there are a couple of sticky areas. i do believe — are a couple of sticky areas. i do believe that they are putting the best negotiators because they really want to _ best negotiators because they really want to get this done and use this as a template as well for the eu trade _ as a template as well for the eu trade deal that has also been negotiated at present. | trade deal that has also been negotiated at present.- trade deal that has also been negotiated at present. i said that it was a big _ negotiated at present. i said that it was a big moment _ negotiated at present. i said that it was a big moment for- negotiated at present. i said that it was a big moment for rishi - negotiated at present. i said that - it was a big moment for rishi sunak, undoubtedly it is full so he was very warmly welcomed today and a lot of cameras will be on the bilateral tomorrow. but i get the sense that they might actually be more interested —— my interest in his wife, who of course was not actually born here, but is from a very important family in india. yes, you do know that _ important family in india. yes, you do know that rishi _ important family in india. yes, you do know that rishi sunak - important family in india. yes, you do know that rishi sunak is - important family in india. yes, you | do know that rishi sunak is actually an indian— do know that rishi sunak is actually an indian from east africa, not actually — an indian from east africa, not actually from india. but his wife comes— actually from india. but his wife comes from a very famous family. does _ comes from a very famous family. does that — comes from a very famous family. does that... does that complicate the trade? and a part of it is of course for student but also for the tech sector, and he is the co—founder of infosys, the biggest tech company of all in india. it is. well, , ., . tech company of all in india. it is. well, ., . well, visas for tech professionals, that i was well, visas for tech professionals, that i was a _ well, visas for tech professionals, that i was a sticking _ well, visas for tech professionals, that i was a sticking point - that i was a sticking point everywhere. i think they are negotiating something similar with america _ negotiating something similar with america right now. tech professionals keep wanted to go off to america, and america now has at least _ to america, and america now has at least four— to america, and america now has at least four indians something like almost _ least four indians something like almost 1000 days of waiting for a visa _ almost 1000 days of waiting for a visa. pieces to the uk for tech professionals would definitely be a bil professionals would definitely be a trig one _ professionals would definitely be a trig one -- — professionals would definitely be a big one. —— visas. i do believe there — big one. —— visas. i do believe there are _ big one. —— visas. i do believe there are some of their issues in terms _ there are some of their issues in terms of— there are some of their issues in terms of whisky, some smaller stuff, but i terms of whisky, some smaller stuff, but i think— terms of whisky, some smaller stuff, but i think important to the uk. some _ but i think important to the uk. some areas of market access for india~ _ some areas of market access for india~ but — some areas of market access for india. but nothing that is insurmountable, really. so i do believe — insurmountable, really. so i do believe this will come through. interesting to hear from the government today saying that they didn't want to take what we would call an early harvest deal, a skinny deal if you will. because mr sunak thinks that in time they can add a lot more to it and it's pretty doing it now than the other side of it. for the moment, thank you. the other side of the break, we will talk about one of the big fault lines through this summit and that is the tension between india and china, and we will talk about the global south, certainly the biggest focus for the indian pm. bangladesh is coming to its first summit in 18 years, which i guess is an indictment in and of itself. stay with us, we will be back after the break. hello. it has been another day when temperatures have exceeded 30 celsius, an unprecedented run of september heat. but through the weekend, things start to change. slowly but surely, it will turn cooler. some scattered downpours as that change takes place. 0n the earlier satellite image, you can see areas of cloud pushing up from the south. we've had some of that medium and high—level cloud in the sky in places today, turning the sunshine a little bit hazy. also some low cloud around some eastern and indeed some western coasts. and overnight, the odd shower creeping across south—west england, parts of wales, maybe north—west england, parts of northern ireland and western scotland, too. it is going to be another very warm night. these are the minimum temperatures. so, into saturday, very warm start to the day. we will again see some spells of sunshine, but some areas of cloud, particularly around some western coasts. some showers breaking out, as well, and maybe some slightly more persistent rain trying to push into the far north—west of scotland. temperature—wise, well, already a little bit cooler the further north and west you are, 18 for stornoway. but further south and east, well, it could be the hottest day of this spell of weather. 33 possible in the capital. and with that heat and humidity through the late afternoon east wales, the midlands, parts of northern england could see some quite vicious thunderstorms. they'll be well—scattered. there will be places that avoid them, but if you catch one, you will know about it, with a lot of rain in a short space of time. and, as you can see, through saturday night into sunday morning, some of us will see some further showers or thunderstorms, and some of those could even affect the great north run on sunday. but i think the good news for those taking part is that it is not going to be as hot as it has been. still some heat on sunday, but becoming increasingly confined to the south—east corner. further north and west, something a little bit cooler, a little bit fresher, with some scattered showers and thunderstorms. still this band of rain trying to push into the north—west of scotland. 22 degrees for aberdeen and for 6lasgow, still 30 for norwich and for london, but that will not last into next week. this is our air mass chart. the warm orange colours are replaced with yellow and then blue colours, indicative of something much, much cooler heading our way. so, during next week, much lower temperatures, returning far closer to what we'd expect at this time of year. and it will be quite unsettled, with showers or longer spells of rain at times. you're watching the context from new delhi and the summit. we will discuss india's focus on the global south and india held a virtual summit of roger developing island nations and so, what is it that they want and are they doing their part on commitments already made? a big day here in new delhi, also in paris, it is the start of the rugby world cup and let's pause for a second to get some sports news. a big day in the big opening match against new zealand and in paris of

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