bronwen maddox, director and chief executive of chatham house, and miles taylor, formerly chief of staff at the us department of homeland security. we will get their thoughts on the meeting today between president putin and kim jung un. and those calls today for a re—evaluation of the uk's relationship with beijing, which follows new allegations of potential spying by china in westminster. we will focus on libya very shortly. but first, there's been a big development this evening in a police investigation, here in the uk, into the death of 10 year old sara sharif, whose body was found at the family home in woking, surrey, five weeks ago. herfather, his wife and his brother — who left the country for pakistan before sara's death was reported — are now back in the uk. urfan sharif, beinash batool and faisal malik were not arrested as they boarded a plane in pakistan for dubai. the authorities in pakistan say they travelled of their own free will. but when they landed in the uk, all three of them were arrested on suspicion of murder. a short time ago surrey police made a brief statement to the media. take a listen. our investigation into the death of ten—year—old sara sharif was launched following the discovery of her body at her home address in woking on the 10th of august. this evening, around 7:45 pm, three people were arrested in connection with this investigation at gatwick airport. two men, aged 41 years and 28 years, and a woman aged 29 years were arrested on suspicion of murder after disembarking a flight from dubai. they are currently in custody and will be interviewed in due course. sara's mother has been informed of this latest update and is being supported by specialist officers. our thoughts remain with her and those affected by sara's death at this difficult time. this has been an extremely fast moving, challenging and complex inquiry and we remain absolutely committed to conducting a thorough investigation into sara's death. we will not be commenting any further at this point and will provide further updates as and when we are able to do so. that's the statement from detective superintendent mark chapman at surrey police headquarters in guildford. we know all three of those wanted, sara's father, her uncle and stepmother came back of their own free will. some suggesting there was pressure within the family to do that but it seems no indication until they got on that flight that they were coming home. lots on focus in the pakistani media, perhaps they decided they could not avoid going back to the uk. all three of them arrested on suspicion of murder. they will be interviewed further. it is perhaps a reflection ofjust how isolated and unstable libya has become that it has taken us nearly two days to learn the true scale of the disaster in derna. a cascading flood from one failed dam to another, that channelled a wall of water down the valley. a reverse tsunami that crashed into the sea, taking at least 10,000 people with it. the victims who have been found, are now being buried in mass graves, but so many have been washed out to sea. the urgently needed relief has started to arrive, but rescue efforts have been hampered by the political situation, with the country split between two rival governments. and remember that in morocco, the international aid agencies were already grapplig with the aftermath of an earthquake that killed nearly 3,000 people. in the first hour of the programme tonight, we heard from dr najib tarhoni, a doctor working in benghazi, in the nearest large hospital to derna. things are even worse right now because more bodies are coming, more corpses are being identified. people who were identified as missing are now identified as dead. there are an estimated 15,000 missing and most of them are soon to be dead because the flood is like a reverse tsunami, that's literally what happened, because the flooding has taken away notjust people, it took away buildings that held tens of people because you can see... how libyan families are formed, they are notjust nuclear families. no, one house carries a lot of people, grandchildren, grandparents, sons. a lot of houses contain at least ten to 15 people and these houses were carried away by the flood. the country, the city is facing a lot of devastating problems not just from the flood but also from the speed of the flood, where it carried away people to the sea. a lot of women are assumed dead because most women cannot swim, especially in this type of city. the death numbers are expected to exceed 20,000. bronwen maddox, director and chief executive i have been to derna during the war in libya. it's a peculiar place, it sits in this mountain valley and the river flows down to the sea. you can imagine how this wall of water was channelled through the city centre. it's an extraordinary thing that has happened. the trouble is the international aid efforts need to governments talking to each other and at the moment that doesn't seem to be happening. and at the moment that doesn't seem to be happening-— to be happening. these are extraordinary _ to be happening. these are extraordinary numbers - to be happening. these are extraordinary numbers of. to be happening. these are - extraordinary numbers of people to be happening. these are _ extraordinary numbers of people dead so quickly. just as you are describing it, as the pictures show, this is an extraordinary phenomenon of the failure of two dams upstream which let this huge volume of water crashed down on this town which is right in a cleft between these dams with the water behind them and the sea. these are horrendous pictures. this happened in minutes. what sea. these are horrendous pictures. this happened in minutes.— this happened in minutes. what can ou tell us this happened in minutes. what can you tell us about _ this happened in minutes. what can you tell us about the _ this happened in minutes. what can you tell us about the way _ this happened in minutes. what can you tell us about the way it - this happened in minutes. what can you tell us about the way it is - you tell us about the way it is governed, libya? why is it so complicated?— governed, libya? why is it so comlicated? , , , complicated? these so uprising, the revolution of— complicated? these so uprising, the revolution of libya _ complicated? these so uprising, the revolution of libya never— complicated? these so uprising, the revolution of libya never got - revolution of libya never got complete and britain and others encouraged the overthrow of colonel gaddafi back in 2011 but then it emerged this divided country with the uk and others are backing one part of the country and a government that disagrees with that holding the other half. 0ne that disagrees with that holding the other half. one of the things that has happened or in fact not happened is investment and caretaking of things like dams. a lot of warnings about this that these dams needed a lot of maintenance but in the disarray and lack of communication between the part that is recognised by the international community and the part that isn't, this has got neglected and as you were describing, some of the problem is in coordinating aid. i'm not quite as pessimistic as you first describe, aid is now getting through, everyone recognises this is a catastrophe, including the government not recognise that controls this part. people are trying to coordinate but as he also described, it is very hard to get to and this is a catastrophe on a very huge and sudden scale. the difficulty. — huge and sudden scale. the difficulty, miles, _ huge and sudden scale. the difficulty, miles, the - huge and sudden scale. the difficulty, miles, the strongman in the east as this commander and he supports the government. by all accounts, in terms of some of the upkeep and reconstruction in derna after they cleared out the militants some years ago, he now is very suspicious of derna and he doesn't want to put any money in there. but again is going to complicate the rebuilding effort, the main power in ghazi seem suspicious of the people who live there.— who live there. without a doubt. he has sent who live there. without a doubt. he has spent most _ who live there. without a doubt. he has spent most of _ who live there. without a doubt. he has spent most of his _ who live there. without a doubt. he has spent most of his career- has spent most of his career focusing _ has spent most of his career focusing on security, infighting and tribal_ focusing on security, infighting and tribal differences and not operating a stay _ tribal differences and not operating a stay. that's what you are seeing here _ a stay. that's what you are seeing here it _ a stay. that's what you are seeing here it also — a stay. that's what you are seeing here. it also shows why in the west we may— here. it also shows why in the west we may be — here. it also shows why in the west we may be focused to singularly or injust— we may be focused to singularly or injust the — we may be focused to singularly or injust the threats we may be focused to singularly or in just the threats to our country's from _ in just the threats to our country's from a _ in just the threats to our country's from a failed state or failing state like libye — from a failed state or failing state like libya. we spent a lot of time talking _ like libya. we spent a lot of time talking about terrorist groups that could _ talking about terrorist groups that could constitute there but in addition _ could constitute there but in addition to that, there is the fact that the — addition to that, there is the fact that the actual people who live in that the actual people who live in that country are being failed by the fact that _ that country are being failed by the fact that there is a government that cannot— fact that there is a government that cannot service them. we are talking about— cannot service them. we are talking about two _ cannot service them. we are talking about two dams tailing here that led to the _ about two dams tailing here that led to the flooding of the city. it really — to the flooding of the city. it really is _ to the flooding of the city. it really is two rival governments bailing — really is two rival governments bailing here that have been unable to address the situation. even when i to address the situation. even when i was _ to address the situation. even when i was working on issues related to libya _ i was working on issues related to libya in _ i was working on issues related to libya in the — i was working on issues related to libya in the us government, we didn't— libya in the us government, we didn't even have an embassy in the country— didn't even have an embassy in the country that — didn't even have an embassy in the country that we could go to. when i wanted _ country that we could go to. when i wanted to— country that we could go to. when i wanted to visit and talk to our ambassador, we were operating out of tunisia _ ambassador, we were operating out of tunisia. when you have an incident like this, _ tunisia. when you have an incident like this, you — tunisia. when you have an incident like this, you don't have people on the ground — like this, you don't have people on the ground who can assess what aid organisations need to be called, that is— organisations need to be called, that is the — organisations need to be called, that is the level of failure we are talking _ that is the level of failure we are talking about. | that is the level of failure we are talking about.— that is the level of failure we are talking about. i hinted at the top that you are _ talking about. i hinted at the top that you are already _ talking about. i hinted at the top that you are already dealing - talking about. i hinted at the top that you are already dealing with this giant earthquake in morocco. there is only so much aid or aid help that the people who run the aid organisations, there is only so much they can do. are they being stretched so thinly that derna might lose out here? i stretched so thinly that derna might lose out here?— lose out here? i think is the resoonse — lose out here? i think is the response that _ lose out here? i think is the response that is _ lose out here? i think is the response that is being - lose out here? i think is the - response that is being stretched as opposed to the money. there is a lot of money pledged, the british government has pledged £1 million to libya. it's a question of how to organise getting it there and how to spend it but as you said, these two natural catastrophes happening within hours, days within each other have stretched agencies on the ground enormously.— have stretched agencies on the ground enormously. there is bound to be a conversation _ ground enormously. there is bound to be a conversation about _ ground enormously. there is bound to be a conversation about whether - ground enormously. there is bound to be a conversation about whether the l be a conversation about whether the rested enough after the war. did we leave these two governments in place, could we have put more aid, support in there. does the west bear some responsibility for the stately country is in?— country is in? yeah, i absolutely think we do- _ country is in? yeah, i absolutely think we do. i _ country is in? yeah, i absolutely think we do. i will— country is in? yeah, i absolutely think we do. i will even - country is in? yeah, i absolutely think we do. i will even take - country is in? yeah, i absolutely think we do. i will even take a i think we do. i will even take a little — think we do. i will even take a little tiny— think we do. i will even take a little tiny sliver of personal responsibility there because when i was in _ responsibility there because when i was in conversations, at least on the us— was in conversations, at least on the us government about how we should _ the us government about how we should manage relations with these rival factions in libya, most of those — rival factions in libya, most of those conversations, our thought process _ those conversations, our thought process was about which strongman in the country— process was about which strongman in the country can most cooperate with us to _ the country can most cooperate with us to suppress terrorist groups like isis us to suppress terrorist groups like isis and _ us to suppress terrorist groups like isis and others that may misuse that territory— isis and others that may misuse that territory to _ isis and others that may misuse that territory to come after the united states _ territory to come after the united states in— territory to come after the united states. in my opinion there was less of a focus _ states. in my opinion there was less of a focus on — states. in my opinion there was less of a focus on long—term political reconciliation and much more they focus _ reconciliation and much more they focus on _ reconciliation and much more they focus on us— reconciliation and much more they focus on us national security interests _ focus on us national security interests. 0ther focus on us national security interests. other countries in the rest did — interests. other countries in the rest did the thing and we ended up ina rest did the thing and we ended up in a stalemate that may benefit western — in a stalemate that may benefit western security interest but has partly _ western security interest but has partly contributed to humanitarian catastrophes in derna and potentially other places if there is not reconciliation within the country _ not reconciliation within the count . ,. ~ not reconciliation within the count . ,., ~ .,, not reconciliation within the count . ~ ., country. do you think, i was at the g20 at the — country. do you think, i was at the 620 at the weekend _ country. do you think, i was at the 620 at the weekend and _ country. do you think, i was at the 620 at the weekend and obviously| country. do you think, i was at the - 620 at the weekend and obviously the g20 at the weekend and obviously the countries would always point to the war in libya, iraq and afghanistan. do you think that complicates the efforts to build a coalition of the willing when it comes to ukraine? yes, i do. willing when it comes to ukraine? yes, ido. iraq willing when it comes to ukraine? yes, i do. iraq more than libya but britain was guilty of thinking that it's called relations with colonel gaddafi would all be better if something replaced him and then grabbing too quickly at the ideas of who might replace him without taking on board, this is years after the of iraq were evident, without taking on board the complexity of the factions and the different competition for power and not realising just how complex this country was going to be. if complex this country was going to be. , ., ., , , be. if you are with us in the first hour of the _ be. if you are with us in the first hour of the programme, - be. if you are with us in the first hour of the programme, you - be. if you are with us in the first| hour of the programme, you may be. if you are with us in the first - hour of the programme, you may have heard an interview with the un special rapporteur on torture he has just returned from a seven—day visit to ukraine. just returned from a seven-day visit to ukraine. ~ ., ., , just returned from a seven-day visit to ukraine-— to ukraine. what i found is there was an eerie _ to ukraine. what i found is there was an eerie consistency - to ukraine. what i found is there | was an eerie consistency between to ukraine. what i found is there - was an eerie consistency between the methods— was an eerie consistency between the methods of— was an eerie consistency between the methods of torture, between a sense of a supervisory structure in how these _ of a supervisory structure in how these forms of torture are being perpetrated. as well as the reasons for the _ perpetrated. as well as the reasons for the purposes for the torture. those _ for the purposes for the torture. those three elements together indicate — those three elements together indicate that there is a state policy, — indicate that there is a state policy, the consistency was also across _ policy, the consistency was also across detention facilities and from victims _ across detention facilities and from victims from different regions. the office _ victims from different regions. the office of— victims from different regions. the office of the prosecutor general in ukraine, — office of the prosecutor general in ukraine, they document about 90% of persons _ ukraine, they document about 90% of persons who are released from detention— persons who are released from detention facilities claiming to have _ detention facilities claiming to have suffered torture, abuse or sexual— have suffered torture, abuse or sexual or — have suffered torture, abuse or sexual or other forms of violence. some harrowing detail in that report. that report is not being discussed at the un security council. instead russian ambassador dmitry polyansky today requested a meeting to discuss western arms supplies, which he says are negatively effecting any prospects of resolving the crisis. last night, those western supplied arms were used to bomb russia's black sea fleet in occupied crimea. a large russian landing ship and a submarine were damaged. and elsewhere in ukraine, the anti—aircraft missiles we supply, brought down most of the 44 iranian "shahed" drones that russia had launched at 0deshchyna and sumy. it is true the counteroffensive has not made as much progress as some western observers would like, but there is a reason why president putin has been forced to turn to north korea. a point underscored by the senate minority leader mitch mcconnell, who is critical of republican allies who want to strip ukraine funding from the latest appropriations bill. there is nothing neo—conservative about support for ukraine. helping a democratic partner defended sovereign territory against an unprovoked attack from a common enemy is obviously in america's interest. let me stress, we aren't defending ukraine from aggression. ukrainians are doing that. america's two most powerful adversaries have struck up a "friendship without limits". if we fail to help ukraine stop russia in its tracks, there is every reason to believe russia and china will both be emboldened. miles taylor, one of the biggest threats to the transatlantic security arrangement is the gop. the eu, don't you think, has to stop waking up to that and planning for the possibility of the war dragging on and is also going to have to deal with a more isolationist united states if the republicans get in. that's absolutely right. folks where i that's absolutely right. folks where i think— that's absolutely right. folks where i think right to question whether they should have paid attention to they should have paid attention to the us— they should have paid attention to the us mid—term elections in 2022. there _ the us mid—term elections in 2022. there was— the us mid—term elections in 2022. there was a — the us mid—term elections in 2022. there was a lot of international coverage — there was a lot of international coverage of it and folks overseas said, _ coverage of it and folks overseas said. why — coverage of it and folks overseas said, why do we care if candidates and track— said, why do we care if candidates and track lookalikes win in america? you are _ and track lookalikes win in america? you are seeing it right now. those republicans who have taken over the house _ republicans who have taken over the house of _ republicans who have taken over the house of representatives may be the difference _ house of representatives may be the difference between a ukraine that can survive the continuing onslaught on moscow— can survive the continuing onslaught on moscow and one that has two potentially capitulate, and that will depend on whether the united states— will depend on whether the united states continues to provide aid and those _ states continues to provide aid and those republicans are putting up a very strong fight. in fact, they have _ very strong fight. in fact, they have made this one of their signature issues that they do not want _ signature issues that they do not want to— signature issues that they do not want to send any more us arms and assistance _ want to send any more us arms and assistance to ukraine. many of them have vocally said america should not be involved — have vocally said america should not be involved in that fight and plenty of other— be involved in that fight and plenty of other analysts have made clear that if— of other analysts have made clear that if the — of other analysts have made clear that if the united states gives up on ukraine, if that funding stops, if that— on ukraine, if that funding stops, if that support stops, ukraine's defences— if that support stops, ukraine's defences could crumble and it could -ive defences could crumble and it could give moscow the advantage. that's what we _ give moscow the advantage. that's what we are talking about right now but again _ what we are talking about right now but again you are seeing infighting within— but again you are seeing infighting within the — but again you are seeing infighting within the republican party, so—called establishment republicans like mitch mcconnell have been pushing — like mitch mcconnell have been pushing back but i'm not convinced they will— pushing back but i'm not convinced they will be a success. there will have _ they will be a success. there will have to _ they will be a success. there will have to be — they will be a success. there will have to be some concessions and it could _ have to be some concessions and it could come — have to be some concessions and it could come at the cost of ukrainian security _ could come at the cost of ukrainian security |— could come at the cost of ukrainian securi . , , could come at the cost of ukrainian securi. , ~. ~. ., security. i suppose mitch mcconnell would say it — security. i suppose mitch mcconnell would say it is _ security. i suppose mitch mcconnell would say it is not _ security. i suppose mitch mcconnell would say it is not russia _ security. i suppose mitch mcconnell would say it is not russia in - would say it is not russia in isolation, its china taking encouragement from the war goes these levies tie one. it's rush of being pushed into the arms of north korea, a sworn enemy of the united states that promised a nuclear attack on the united states not that long ago. surely even the hardline republicans can see some of the alliances that are being built here. they can see that but they might argue with the arguments that russia, that iran, china, north korea would take encouragement, further encouragement from a russian victory in ukraine. that's the bit they dispute, that it matters that much. i happen to agree with the point of view that it does matter and they would be implications of letting russia win in any sense on. ukraine cannot hold its own continue to do that let alone win in any sense without continued us support. the us has put in in terms of humanitarian financial military aid more than the whole of europe altogether. if more than the whole of europe altogether-— altogether. if that 40 billion dollars that _ altogether. if that 40 billion dollars that is _ altogether. if that 40 billion dollars that is in _ altogether. if that 40 billion dollars that is in the - altogether. if that 40 billion i dollars that is in the spending round, if that isn't passed, where are we? can the europeans continue to support the counteroffensive or is it dead if that bill doesn't go through? is it dead if that bill doesn't go throu . h? , . . is it dead if that bill doesn't go throu~h? , .. .., ., through? they can continue to supported _ through? they can continue to supported and _ through? they can continue to supported and many _ through? they can continue to | supported and many ukrainians through? they can continue to - supported and many ukrainians will keep fighting anyway because for them they are fighting for their country. this is existential but they cannot significantly advance or even perhaps hold their own without us support. it really is crucial, russia is very watching this closely, russia has every incentive to hold on in what is becoming a longer and longer prospect of war until the us elections because it knows there must be a chance of a sympathetic american president getting in. taste sympathetic american president caettin in. ~ ., bully xl and staffordshire bull terrier crossbreed while shopping with her sister on saturday. west midlands police say the dog is in secure kennels. four people are facing fraud charges over the collapse of uk bakery chain patisserie valerie. they include the former chief financial officer. the chain collapsed suddenly in 2018, with more than 900 jobs and 70 branches lost. the serious fraud office says the suspects "concealed £10 million in debts" — they're due to appear in court next month. a man who entered the grounds of windsor castle "to kill" the late queen believed he was a star wars—inspired character who had to "right historical wrong". jaswant singh chail was armed with a crossbow when he was arrested on christmas day 2021. he admitted a charge under the treason act and to making threats to kill and possessing an offensive weapon. you're live with bbc news. here in the uk, the labour opposition has called for a complete re—evaulation of the uk's relationship with beijing. on sunday it was reported that a conservative parliamentary researcher who had access to sensitive foreign policy documents had been arrested under the official secrets act. at the g20 summit in india that i was at this weekend, the prime minister told us that he had used the opportunity to express his grave concerns to li chiang the chinese premier. but now we learn from the ft that in fact the researcher was arrested in march. which begs further questions of rishi sunaks china policy and how it evolved in recent months. a point raised today at prime ministers questions today by the opposition leader sir keir starmer. when i asked the prime minister on monday whether the foreign secretary raised the specific issue of the alleged spy arrested in march when he visited china a few weeks ago, the prime minister would only say that he raised that type of activity but avoided specifics. so i asked the prime minister again. did the foreign secretary raised this specific case when he visited china? yes or no? the foreign secretary raised these issues with the with the chinese foreign minister, who he met, as did i. when i had my meeting with premier li over the weekend. but when it comes to china, mr speaker, this government has put in place the most robust policy that has existed ever in our country's foreign policy. it is to protect our country, to protect our country for the values and the interest that we stand up for. it is to align our approach with our closest allies, including. separately, the times reports that m15 secretely warned the conservative party that two of its potential candidates to become mps could be spying for china. the opposition is calling for the prime minister to commit to a full audit of uk—china relations. rishi sunak says the government has already launched an integrated review, overseen by the new national security, protective agency. we should be clear that the foreign secretary was in beijing two weeks ago. this case all the —— went all the way back too much. ago. this case all the -- went all the way back too much.- ago. this case all the -- went all the way back too much. there has been a gradual— the way back too much. there has been a gradual awareness - the way back too much. there has been a gradual awareness in - the way back too much. there has been a gradual awareness in the l been a gradual awareness in the government that it needs to take more steps to protect britain. but the foreign secretary gave a speech, landmark speech back in spring, a speech normally devoted to the whole of foreign policy but this just devoted to china. he said we want to talk about china about big stuff like climate change, we want to trade with them but we want to protect ourselves as well and we are sympathetic to those who complain about human rights in china. it has certainly been consistent that britain wants it everywhere it once and that is what james cleverly continued to stay in beijing. britain is aware it didn't used to be that china under its current leadership is, poses in some domains a threat to british interests in terms of data, perhaps an secrets. perhaps it is better at being looked at how we can protect itself but thatis at how we can protect itself but that is only half of the whole sphere it wants to engage in. that sphere it wants to engage in. at many levels in our society deform at universities ministerjoejohnson universities ministerjoe johnson has talked universities ministerjoejohnson has talked today about the russell group of universities who are particularly dependent on chinese funding, chinese students, obviously pay higher student fees here in the uk. 0ne pay higher student fees here in the uk. one of the big london universities, ucl, takes a third of its tuition fees from china. you can see where this might go. some of these people at a top university in london might find their way into research may be pertaining to china, but the point is there is influence through the system and the question is how do we reduce the risk from that. �* ., ., , ., , , that. i'm going to tell you this is not accidental. _ that. i'm going to tell you this is not accidental. when _ that. i'm going to tell you this is not accidental. when i _ that. i'm going to tell you this is not accidental. when i was - that. i'm going to tell you this is not accidental. when i was in . that. i'm going to tell you this is| not accidental. when i was in the intelligence community, we saw indicators — intelligence community, we saw indicators that we regularly want the public about and warned university presidents about that the chinese _ university presidents about that the chinese communist party was deliberately sending individuals to try to _ deliberately sending individuals to try to infiltrate us universities. that— try to infiltrate us universities. that is— try to infiltrate us universities. that is certainly also the case globally _ that is certainly also the case globally. it was part and parcel of beijing's's— globally. it was part and parcel of beijing's's strategy to try to influence the rest from the ground up influence the rest from the ground up and _ influence the rest from the ground up and starting early in the education sector and working their way through the government and private _ way through the government and private industry. it was very pervasive _ private industry. it was very pervasive. at the time i was in government, the fbi director went up to cohgress_ government, the fbi director went up to congress and his school did a lot of members for not cracking down on naive _ of members for not cracking down on naive university presidents. to get an idea. _ naive university presidents. to get an idea. the — naive university presidents. to get an idea, the fbi directorjust said recently. — an idea, the fbi directorjust said recently, china doesn't have twice as many— recently, china doesn't have twice as many or— recently, china doesn't have twice as many or three times as many hackers— as many or three times as many hackers as — as many or three times as many hackers as the united states, they have 50 _ hackers as the united states, they have 50 times as many. the scope of this threat— have 50 times as many. the scope of this threat is — have 50 times as many. the scope of this threat is enormous. we�*ll have 50 times as many. the scope of this threat is enormous.— this threat is enormous. we'll be ri . ht this threat is enormous. we'll be right back- _ hello there. the weather was a lot drier today across england and wales with more in the way of sunshine. it's felt quite fresh in the sunshine, not particularly humid there, and this was flamborough head with those sunny spells overhead. but further north and west, we had much thicker cloud in western scotland with rain arriving in argyll and bute through the afternoon. things starting to turn a little bit misty as well, and that rain is all associated with this developing low pressure. it's going to be bringing some wet and windy weather overnight, particularly to the northwest. so, some strong winds working into scotland — gales for a time here as a band of rain clears through, followed by some heavy showers. northern ireland becomes drier, but again, there could be one or two showers here and there. rain sinks southwards across northern england, north wales and into the north midlands by the end of the night. this is going to be a relatively mild night compared with last night — temperatures 11—13 degrees. now, this weather front�*s going to become very slow—moving tomorrow, so if you start off with rain, chances are it will still be raining into the afternoon. so, that's across parts of wales, the midlands, maybe northern england and lincolnshire as well. the rain will turn a bit lighter and patchier at times. further north, sunshine and showers, still with some gales affecting northern areas of scotland. the weather turning quite humid with some warm sunshine across parts of east anglia and southern counties of england. now, heading through thursday night and into friday, that weather front is going to change its mind and start pushing back northwards. to the south of our fronts, we get southerly winds, and so it's going to start to get quite a bit warmer. across scotland and northern ireland, well, not very warm, particularly with that thick cloud and the rain on the way. so, for friday, rain turning quite heavy for a time in northern ireland, the rain crossing northern england moving back into southern and then central scotland. the far north, though, still having a day of sunshine and showers. england and wales, few mist and fog patches possible, but otherwise, we've got some warm spells of sunshine starting to feel a bit more humid with temperatures climbing. 20—25, warm in the sun, scotland and northern ireland, temperatures below par for the time of year. now, into the weekend, an area of low pressure develops to our south. this could bring some severe thunderstorms to parts of iberia and western france. for us, it's a question mark about how far those fronts will push. i think certainly this weekend, there will be some rain around at times across the south of both england and wales. but there's a question mark about how much, if any, you'll see further north.