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the leaders are here. we arejust a we are just a few hours away from some intense discussion here in new delhi. but what will the 620 achieve? we will hear this hour from ursula von der leyen, president of the european commission, who represents the 27 leaders of the eu. and we will discuss the clean—up. where are the street hawkers, the rough sleepers, the edgier side of new delhi? none of it on display this weekend. in fact, some of it hidden behind a giant wall. and our panel this evening here in new delhi — indrani bagchi, ceo of the ananta aspen centre. in london, peter ricketts, former national security adviser to the british government. and from washington, joel rubin, former adviser to the us state department. welcome back. at last year's summit in bali, there was an almighty tussle to secure a paragraph in the final communique that summed up the wide condemnation of russia's war in ukraine. "we deplore in the strongest terms," said the final draught, "the aggression by the russian federation and we demand its complete and unconditional withdrawal from the territory of ukraine". but also included in that text was a line that not all countries shared that view. this year, a compromise may be even harder. ahead of the summit, not one draught communique has emerged. russia and china have so far vetoed every statement that contains any mention of ukraine. in fact, some there are concerns mounting that a final communique might not emerge at all. i have been speaking to ursula von der leyen, president of the european commission, about the language she wants to see on ukraine and why that is so important. well, i think it is very important to have a joint communique, but we insist on our principles. these are just the topic of discussion right now in the run—up to the 620 summit. i know that russia would like to have some topics disappear and out of the communique, but this, yeah, this we will not accept. india has said that it will take russia's point of view into consideration. could there be a scenario where the europeans would veto a final communique if it was not strong enough? well, it depends very much on the content indeed. there is certainly a limit what we can accept. there are basic principles what ukraine is concerned that have to be in there. for example, the fact that russia is violating the international law and the un charter principles, so these basic principles have to be where the whole world would subscribe. mr modi wants to talk about the global south. there are 250 million people in the world who are without food, so presumably the grain deal is as much of a concern to our host as it is to the european union. absolutely. i mean, it is outrageous that president putin is again blocking the black sea, so preventing or making sure that no ukrainian grain is any more coming out of the black sea and going onto the international market. i mean, this is question about hunger. and therefore we've been working very hard to provide alternative routes, land routes. we call them solidarity lanes. up to today, we were able to export 60% of the ukrainian grain and agri—food via the land routes and solidarity lanes to the rest of the world, but of course more is needed. and therefore, i really call again on president putin not to block the black sea any more. does mr modi have the power to encourage russia in that direction? it is there anything you can do to persuade him to put aside his neutrality on russia and ukraine? well, i think this is the topic, is part of any conversation that a leader has with president putin because this is crucial for the world. we have seen the effects of food insecurity and hunger because of the russian war on ukraine and the blocking of the export of the ukrainian grain. so this is something where the whole world is feeling the spill—over effect of this war, and it should be part of any conversation. but the trouble is, as you know, india is buying up very cheap oil that europe has sanctioned. india's playing by the rules, so we... and this is important, the sanctioning of the oil is successful, but i think this grain topic is a topic where the whole world should really call on russia. what about the african union? they are here. mr modi would like them to be a permanent member of the 620. already there is difficulty trying to find agreement within the 620. doesn't an expanded group further complicate the problem? well, i am a wholehearted supporter of having the african union at the table. take the topic of climate change that we are discussing at the 620. africa has less than 4% of the greenhouse gas emission locally, but is almost the most affected by climate change. globally, but is almost the most affected by climate change. and has many of the solutions, for example the resources for renewable energy. so africa's voice has to resonate across the globe, and therefore i think it should be that the african union should be at the table of the 620. so many topics that affect africa are being discussed in the 620. just generally speaking, the 620 has a sketchy record when it comes to making decisions and finding agreements. does it still have a purpose? well, yes, it represents of course a fragmented world, and the difficult times we are living in. the more it is important to have the 620, even if it's tough, even if it's hard, even if it's sometimes not as successful as we wished it to be. but it's important to discuss these things, to look at each other face—to—face, so i think the 620 is absolutely necessary. even if the leader of the second biggest economy is not here? well, i've seen that president xi is not attending. this is... i regret this because china can contribute to the solutions for global challenges very much. and just a final question. the theme of the summit, one earth, one family, one future, the future is in respect of technology, artificial intelligence and there is a concern in europe now that we are behind the game in terms of regulating what is a very fast advancing technology. with china absent, is it difficult to find the rules and regulations globally to deal with al? well, ai is a very important topic on the agenda of the 620. and indeed, the european union was the first to put forward legislation to regulate artificial intelligence, our ai act. it is important that we on the one hand to the opportunities of ai, but of course also the risks of a rapidly changing technology. and therefore i think we have to look into something like the ipcc for climate change, which is a group of scientists that report on a regular basis on the impact on our world that climate change has. i think a similar group of scientists, but also inventors, entrepreneurs for al, because it's changing so rapidly, it is important to tell policymakers where to adapt rapidly, not only legislation, but also voluntary codes of conduct. would bletchley park meeting in the uk in november be a good first step? absolutely. i'm very glad about the summit that the uk is leading in the fall. the hiroshima process is also very important, so these initiatives i very much welcome because we need the whole world to agree on how to safeguard ai. until artificial intelligence takes over, we're still in need of a panel. joel rubin, welcome. let's talk the communique. the sherpas are working through the night on this draught, but i think from that conversation, i draw the conclusion that the 67 countries will want the same language at a minimum. you bet. look, the 620's summit adds new layers _ you bet. look, the 620's summit adds new layers of — you bet. look, the 620's summit adds new layers of international— new layers of international diplomacy _ new layers of international diplomacy on _ new layers of international diplomacy on ukraine - new layers of international diplomacy on ukraine for. new layers of 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person. _ certainly what is happening now in person. in— certainly what is happening now in person. in his— certainly what is happening now in person, in his example _ certainly what is happening now in person, in his example by- certainly what is happening now in person, in his example by being . person, in his example by being there. _ person, in his example by being there, president— person, in his example by being there, president biden - person, in his example by being there, president biden showingl person, in his example by being . there, president biden showing to there, president biden showing to the indian — there, president biden showing to the indian people _ there, president biden showing to the indian people that _ there, president biden showing to the indian people that he - there, president biden showing to the indian people that he cares i the indian people that he cares about— the indian people that he cares about india. _ the indian people that he cares about india, 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— india relations where maps were _ china — india relations where maps were put— china — india relations where maps were put out, _ china — india relations where maps were put out, showing _ china — india relations where maps were put out, showing china - china — india relations where maps were put out, showing china had . were put out, showing china had territorial— were put out, showing china had territorial ambitions _ were put out, showing china had territorial ambitions in _ were put out, showing china had territorial ambitions in indian - territorial ambitions in indian territory. _ territorial ambitions in indian territory. so _ territorial ambitions in indian territory, so the _ territorial ambitions in indian territory, so the indian - territorial ambitions in indian l territory, so the indian people, that issue _ territory, so the indian people, that issue president _ territory, so the indian people, that issue president modi - territory, so the indian people, . that issue president modi reports too, are — that issue president modi reports too, are probably— that issue president modi reports too, are probably feeling - that issue president modi reports too, are probably feeling pretty. too, are probably feeling pretty good _ too, are probably feeling pretty good right— too, are probably feeling pretty good right now _ too, are probably feeling pretty good right now about _ too, are probably feeling pretty good right now about presidentj too, are probably feeling pretty- good right now about president biden that witt— good right now about president biden that will give — good right now about president biden that will give a — good right now about president biden that will give a more _ good right now about president biden that will give a more authority, - that will give a more authority, more _ that will give a more authority, more sway— that will give a more authority, more sway in— that will give a more authority, more sway in these _ that will give a more authority, j more sway in these discussions that will give a more authority, - more sway in these discussions and he witt— more sway in these discussions and he will be _ more sway in these discussions and he will be able _ more sway in these discussions and he will be able to _ more sway in these discussions and he will be able to make _ more sway in these discussions and he will be able to make the - more sway in these discussions and l he will be able to make the argument that for— he will be able to make the argument that for a _ he will be able to make the argument that for a strong — he will be able to make the argument that for a strong relationship - he will be able to make the argument that for a strong relationship with - that for a strong relationship with the that fora strong relationship with the western— that for a strong relationship with the western with _ that for a strong relationship with the western with the _ that for a strong relationship with the western with the states, - that for a strong relationship with. the western with the states, there are benefits — the western with the states, there are benefits to _ the western with the states, there are benefits to president _ the western with the states, there are benefits to president modi - the western with the states, there are benefits to president modi by. are benefits to president modi by going _ are benefits to president modi by going in— are benefits to president modi by going in that _ are benefits to president modi by going in that direction. _ are benefits to president modi by going in that direction. it's- are benefits to president modi by going in that direction. it's worth| going in that direction. it's worth sayinq _ going in that direction. it's worth saying that — going in that direction. it's worth saying that india _ going in that direction. it's worth saying that india is— going in that direction. it's worth saying that india is really- going in that direction. it's worth saying that india is really at - going in that direction. it's worth saying that india is really at the i saying that india is really at the centre — saying that india is really at the centre of— saying that india is really at the centre of so _ saying that india is really at the centre of so much _ saying that india is really at the centre of so much interesting . centre of so much interesting international— centre of so much interesting international diplomacy. - centre of so much interesting - international diplomacy. everybody is competing — international diplomacy. everybody is competing for _ international diplomacy. everybody is competing for india _ international diplomacy. everybody is competing for india plasma - international diplomacy. everybodyl is competing for india plasma cutter president _ is competing for india plasma cutter president biden— is competing for india plasma cutter president biden is— is competing for india plasma cutter president biden is clearly— is competing for india plasma cutter president biden is clearly making i president biden is clearly making the pitch— president biden is clearly making the pitch and _ president biden is clearly making the pitch and a _ president biden is clearly making the pitch and a very _ president biden is clearly making the pitch and a very strong - president biden is clearly making the pitch and a very strong one . president biden is clearly making| the pitch and a very strong one at that _ the pitch and a very strong one at that. . ., , ., the pitch and a very strong one at that. _, , ., , that. -- competing for india's heart. that. -- competing for india's heart- the — that. -- competing for india's heart. the city _ that. -- competing for india's heart. the city looks - that. -- competing for india's| heart. the city looks fantastic, that. -- competing for india's i heart. the city looks fantastic, it has been cleaned up and we will talk about that a little later. as i mentioned, you can't go anywhere without seeing billboards with the face of mr modi on it. this is important for him personally in the run—up to an election stop what we did say if the 620 wasn't able to come up with a final communique? even if, for mr modi's adherence and for the _ even if, for mr modi's adherence and for the indian people, just the very fact that _ for the indian people, just the very fact that the summit was held here, that people actually worked to achieve — that people actually worked to achieve some kind of consensus, it makes _ achieve some kind of consensus, it makes it— achieve some kind of consensus, it makes it a — achieve some kind of consensus, it makes it a success.— makes it a success. peter, the indians suggest _ makes it a success. peter, the indians suggest yesterday - makes it a success. peter, thej indians suggest yesterday that makes it a success. peter, the - indians suggest yesterday that the under covered the understands the concerns are read ukraine but they are adamant that russia's concerns will be taken into account, and that's why it becomes so complicated.— that's why it becomes so complicated. that's why it becomes so comlicated. , ., ., complicated. yes. i mean, for the west this is _ complicated. yes. i mean, for the west this is a _ complicated. yes. i mean, for the west this is a black _ complicated. yes. i mean, for the west this is a black and _ complicated. yes. i mean, for the west this is a black and white - west this is a black and white issue. russia is clearly in flagrant violation of its un charter obligations, and you don't try and mediate a 50—50 compromise between the aggressor and the victim. so they will want very clear language condemning the russian invasion. there is no way russia will accept that, or the chinese. there is no way russia will accept that, orthe chinese. indeed, i think it president xi's absence will make it more difficult. i suspect we are heading for no agreed words on ukraine. there may be agreed words in other areas of the text, talking about, capitation, debt financing, global health. there are always tricks. one of the famous chair is which is a summary of the discussions which do not commit anybody else and allow him to put out a document. the fact he held the summit, he has convened the world, he has had all the publicity and some kind of document comes out, i suspect it will not matter enormously to the indian people whether it is a consensus document or a chair whether it is a consensus document ora chairsummary whether it is a consensus document or a chair summary which he draws from the discussion. this or a chair summary which he draws from the discussion.— from the discussion. this is why we have peter— from the discussion. this is why we have peter on _ from the discussion. this is why we have peter on the programme, - from the discussion. this is why we have peter on the programme, hel have peter on the programme, he has all the skills of an ambassador. we are going to take a short break. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. let's look at some other stories making news. in the uk, a member of the public has reported seeing escaped terror suspect daniel khalife leave a food van in wandsworth, london, following his escape from prison on wednesday morning. the police are also exploring the possibility that staff at the prison might have helped khalife. the commissioner, sir mark rowley, said the escape was "clearly pre—planned". the anniversary of king charles' accession has been marked in the uk by gun salutes in london, edinburgh and cardiff. soldiers and horses who took part in queen elizabeth ii's state funeral procession returned for the accession day anniversary salutes in the king's honour. the king and queen visited crathie kirk, close to balmoral castle. health authorities in the uk have published new data about the latest covid variant. it appears to show that transmission is taking place in the community although there's not enough data to know how much of a threat it poses to public health. you're live with bbc news. by the end of india's 620 presidency, more than 200 meetings will have been held in 60 cities across the country. 100,000 delegates will have taken part from 125 countries. that's an unprecedented level of engagement at a 620, and that is testament to india's commitment to finding solutions on some of the most intractable problems. but on climate policy, some would say they have come up short. thejoint meeting of 620 environment and climate ministers that was organised by the indian presidency injuly, in chennai, failed to reach consensus on some very important issues. coal wasn't even mentioned. still a key source of energy for india and china. if we are to have any chance of limiting global warming to 1.5 degrees celsius above pre—industrial levels, then global emissions would need to be peak by 2025, but heading into this weekend's summit, there has been no agreed wording on reducing methane emissions, moving away from fossil fuels or speeding up the energy transition. and the 620 are still to make good on the loss and damage payments they promised to the vulnerable countries, those affected by rising seas or persistent drought. i have been talking to aditya viliathan pillay, a fellow at the centre for policy research, who specialises on climate, energy and the environment. do you think climate change will get the attention it deserves at this summit? so climate change has been getting a lot of attention over the last year because this has been a process that began about a year ago. this is the culmination of a year of diplomacy. and we seen a focus on energy, which is sort of taken most of the headlines, but there's also been a particular focus on disaster reduction, which is usually important and has been gaining importance in recent years. and there's been a focus on biodiversity and ocean resilience. so we seen a range of issues discussed and made progress on over the last couple of months. and so the idea of this 620 summit is to keep the needle ticking over on all of these things so that it feeds into multilateral forums going forward, right? so the 620 summit now is important because we are going to a uae cop moment in a couple of months where there's going to be renewed calls for global decarbonisation and for commitments on adaptation. see, that is interesting, because people question whether there will be a final communique this weekend, what will come of the summit, but it's part of a continuing conversation in your mind. yes, absolutely, absolutely. so i see this actually as a critical moment no doubt, but one that begins at glasgow 2021 and they will continue for the next couple of years until we get to a point where we understand what the climate future looks like and are able to bring down projections of what future warming at the end of the century might be. and currently we are talking 2.6, 2.7 degrees above the preindustrial average, and the idea is to sort of bring it down to well below two, which is what the paris agreement talks about. right, so last week, they're talking about bringing global admissions to a peak by 2025. i mean, that seems for the birds at the moment. we are nowhere near that. have we given up on 1.5? it still technically possible, right? and i live in hope. but the important point here is even if 1.5 is not achieved, it's as important to push for 1.6 and then 1.7, right? because every .1 degrees of change is usually relevant to millions and millions and millions of people across the world, right? so just because 1.5 is breached, sometimes i get the sense that people feel that two degrees is then the next pit stop, and that's not really the case. so even if 1.5 is not achievable, 1.7 is still a whole lot better than two. and when the paris agreement is worded is they aim at 1.5, but want to keep it well below two degrees. and that's what impacts of climate change are so vitally important to the conversation within the room. yeah, absolutely, absolutely. that drives the entire conversation. that's all there was talk about on the energy system, everything we talk about when it comes to poverty reduction globally, about our sustainable development goals and really is a question about the sustainability of the society we are building for future generations, right? so the impacts are far—reaching. whether there is convergence between the global south and the global north ultimately then becomes over the next 50 years a question of whether we can do right by the climate science? let's talk about energy, then. india's made huge strides with renewable energy, but there's still a big element of the mix that is coal. how far they still have to go? so the way it works right now is the indian economic system is now pushing renewable energy quite heavily because it's the cheapest form of energy, really. and so between solar energy and wind, it out competes coal and thermal power on a per unit basis. so a lot of future projections are now moving towards renewable energy being the main source of capacity. and that's now reflected also in international commitments. for the big international commitment in india, that it's made, is that it will add 500 gigawatts, which is a huge amount of capacity, by 2030. but in there's also the legacy of coal and thermal power having driven the expansion of the indian economy over the last three decades, right? so post—1990s, the economy has grown quite considerably, and a lot of that was built on having official thermal power plants that provided the baseline power necessary for the climate. it was a question, i think, of straddling both of those worlds. there's a third component which is energy security, which across the world has become more of an issue after the geopolitical friction globally driven by russia and ukraine. indrani, internally fashion the un put out a report today in which they said much more was needed to achieve the paris climate goes, we are missing the 1.5 degrees target and carbon capture is not the answer. it requires, they said, a radical shift now away from fossil fuels. i do not hear that urgency on the sidelines of the 620, do you? trio. hear that urgency on the sidelines of the g20, do you?— of the g20, do you? no, i think there is a _ of the g20, do you? no, i think there is a sense _ of the g20, do you? no, i think there is a sense of _ of the g20, do you? no, i think there is a sense of urgency - of the g20, do you? no, i think there is a sense of urgency but| there is a sense of urgency but there _ there is a sense of urgency but there is— there is a sense of urgency but there is also the development imperative that, if you are, certainly— imperative that, if you are, certainly india embodied that development paradigms, where we have coal development paradigms, where we have coat stilt— development paradigms, where we have coal still being a huge part of our energy— coal still being a huge part of our energy mix, while we are moving equally— energy mix, while we are moving equally determinedly in the renewable energy space. but clearly, we cannot _ renewable energy space. but clearly, we cannot ditch coal and oil, fossil fuels _ we cannot ditch coal and oil, fossil fuels for— we cannot ditch coal and oil, fossil fuels for a — we cannot ditch coal and oil, fossil fuels for a very long time, just a number— fuels for a very long time, just a number of— fuels for a very long time, just a number of people who still need to come _ number of people who still need to come out _ number of people who still need to come out of poverty, we really cannot — come out of poverty, we really cannot do _ come out of poverty, we really cannot do it without fossil fuels. | cannot do it without fossil fuels. i was cannot do it without fossil fuels. was going cannot do it without fossil fuels. i was going to say, it helps that joe was going to say, it helps thatjoe biden is here and he sees the threat from climate change, but if you look at the figures, the united states, it has used a record amount of oil. in the united states certainly is the number— in the united states certainly is the number one— in the united states certainly is the number one global- in the united states certainly is| the number one global emitter. in the united states certainly is l the number one global emitter. it has been — the number one global emitter. it has been for— the number one global emitter. it has been for decades. _ the number one global emitter. it has been for decades. in - the number one global emitter. it has been for decades. in the - has been for decades. in the bilateral— has been for decades. in the bilateral communique - has been for decades. in the . bilateral communique between has been for decades. in the - bilateral communique between the united _ bilateral communique between the united states— bilateral communique between the united states and _ bilateral communique between the united states and india _ bilateral communique between the united states and india there - bilateral communique between the united states and india there is. bilateral communique between the united states and india there is a i united states and india there is a significant — united states and india there is a significant emphasis _ united states and india there is a significant emphasis on - united states and india there is a . significant emphasis on partnership on renewable — significant emphasis on partnership on renewable energy— significant emphasis on partnership on renewable energy and _ significant emphasis on partnership on renewable energy and also - significant emphasis on partnership on renewable energy and also on i on renewable energy and also on nuclear— on renewable energy and also on nuclear energy _ on renewable energy and also on nuclear energy. some _ on renewable energy and also on nuclear energy. some of- on renewable energy and also on nuclear energy. some of the - on renewable energy and also on. nuclear energy. some of the deals that were — nuclear energy. some of the deals that were agreed _ nuclear energy. some of the deals that were agreed to _ nuclear energy. some of the deals that were agreed to when - nuclear energy. some of the deals. that were agreed to when president modi was _ that were agreed to when president modi was here _ that were agreed to when president modi was here in— that were agreed to when president modi was here injune _ that were agreed to when president modi was here injune relate - that were agreed to when president modi was here injune relate to- that were agreed to when president modi was here injune relate to the| modi was here injune relate to the defence _ modi was here injune relate to the defence sector— modi was here injune relate to the defence sector but _ modi was here injune relate to the defence sector but also _ modi was here injune relate to the defence sector but also to - modi was here injune relate to the defence sector but also to the - defence sector but also to the energy — defence sector but also to the energy sector _ defence sector but also to the energy sector substantially. . defence sector but also to the l energy sector substantially. but defence sector but also to the - energy sector substantially. but the united _ energy sector substantially. but the united states. — energy sector substantially. but the united states, we _ energy sector substantially. but the united states, we are _ energy sector substantially. but the united states, we are not _ energy sector substantially. but the united states, we are not making . energy sector substantially. but the i united states, we are not making the strides— united states, we are not making the strides we _ united states, we are not making the strides we need — united states, we are not making the strides we need to, _ united states, we are not making the strides we need to, the _ united states, we are not making the strides we need to, the president - strides we need to, the president has pushed — strides we need to, the president has pushed a _ strides we need to, the president has pushed a bill— strides we need to, the president has pushed a bill that— strides we need to, the president has pushed a bill that got- strides we need to, the president has pushed a bill that got into - strides we need to, the president has pushed a bill that got into a l has pushed a bill that got into a law cultivation— has pushed a bill that got into a law cultivation reduction - has pushed a bill that got into a law cultivation reduction act, i has pushed a bill that got into a i law cultivation reduction act, it's about— law cultivation reduction act, it's about $400 _ law cultivation reduction act, it's about $400 billion _ law cultivation reduction act, it's about $400 billion of _ law cultivation reduction act, it's| about $400 billion of investment law cultivation reduction act, it's i about $400 billion of investment in clean _ about $400 billion of investment in clean energy— about $400 billion of investment in clean energy and _ about $400 billion of investment in clean energy and renewable - about $400 billion of investment ini clean energy and renewable energy, domestic— clean energy and renewable energy, domestic production _ clean energy and renewable energy, domestic production that _ clean energy and renewable energy, domestic production that has - clean energy and renewable energy, j domestic production that has caused some _ domestic production that has caused some heartburn _ domestic production that has caused some heartburn with _ domestic production that has caused some heartburn with our— domestic production that has caused some heartburn with our trading i some heartburn with our trading partners — some heartburn with our trading partners but _ some heartburn with our trading partners but it's— some heartburn with our trading partners but it's the _ some heartburn with our trading partners but it's the right - some heartburn with our trading partners but it's the right way i some heartburn with our trading partners but it's the right way to id partners but it's the right way to do for— partners but it's the right way to do for the — partners but it's the right way to do for the long _ partners but it's the right way to go for the long run, _ partners but it's the right way to go for the long run, but- partners but it's the right way to go for the long run, but in- partners but it's the right way to go for the long run, but in the l partners but it's the right way to i go for the long run, but in the shop and we _ go for the long run, but in the shop and we are — go for the long run, but in the shop and we are very— go for the long run, but in the shop and we are very much _ go for the long run, but in the shop and we are very much dependent . go for the long run, but in the shopl and we are very much dependent on petroteum _ and we are very much dependent on petroteum for— and we are very much dependent on petroleum for our— and we are very much dependent on petroleum for our auto— and we are very much dependent on petroleum for our auto sector. i petroleum for our auto sector. typicai— petroleum for our auto sector. typical conversation, - petroleum for our auto sector. typical conversation, peter, i petroleum for our auto sector. | typical conversation, peter, for rishi sunak. he hasjust given the green light to more drilling in the north sea. does that record count when you come to a summit like this? yes, and i think in a way, india and america faces something of the same problem, they are both making very rapid strides on renewable energy but at the same time they have got growing economies, so the scale of the problem is only getting smaller at a rather low rate force of the uk is different, we are the second largest offshore wind country in the world, actually, we havejust had a failed round of seeking new contracts for offshore wind because the government wanted too low a price. so the short term imperative for britain is to keep energy bills down this winter and that's what voters are interested in, that's what the government facing an election is interested in, therefore the scope to be spending more now on pushing renewables more quickly, being prepared to pay the price the market demands, that is not there. 0k, market demands, that is not there. ok, peter, thank you. we will go to a short break. stay with us. hello. it has been another day when temperatures have exceeded 30 celsius, an unprecedented run of september heat. but through the weekend, things start to change. slowly but surely, it will turn cooler. some scattered downpours as that change takes place. on the earlier satellite image, you can see areas of cloud pushing up from the south. we've had some of that medium and high—level cloud in the sky in places today, turning the sunshine a little bit hazy. also some low cloud around some eastern and indeed some western coasts. and overnight, the odd shower creeping across south—west england, parts of wales, maybe north—west england, parts of northern ireland and western scotland, too. it is going to be another very warm night. these are the minimum temperatures. so, into saturday, very warm start to the day. we will again see some spells of sunshine, but some areas of cloud, particularly around some western coasts. some showers breaking out, as well, and maybe some slightly more persistent rain trying to push into the far north—west of scotland. temperature—wise, well, already a little bit cooler the further north and west you are, 18 for stornoway. but further south and east, well, it could be the hottest day of this spell of weather. 33 possible in the capital. and with that heat and humidity through the late afternoon east wales, the midlands, parts of northern england could see some quite vicious thunderstorms. they'll be well—scattered. there will be places that avoid them, but if you catch one, you will know about it, with a lot of rain in a short space of time. and, as you can see, through saturday night into sunday morning, some of us will see some further showers or thunderstorms, and some of those could even affect the great north run on sunday. but i think the good news for those taking part is that it is not going to be as hot as it has been. still some heat on sunday, but becoming increasingly confined to the south—east corner. further north and west, something a little bit cooler, a little bit fresher, with some scattered showers and thunderstorms. still this band of rain trying to push into the north—west of scotland. 22 degrees for aberdeen and for 6lasgow, still 30 for norwich and for london, but that will not last into next week. this is our air mass chart. the warm orange colours are replaced with yellow and then blue colours, indicative of something much, much cooler heading our way. so, during next week, much lower temperatures, returning far closer to what we'd expect at this time of year. and it will be quite unsettled, with showers or longer spells of rain at times. hello, i'm christian fraser. you're watching the context live from new delhi. you couldn't miss the enormous links that have gone to disperse a downtown new delhi will speak about that in the next half hour. welcome back. the area in the conference centre has been transformed ahead of the week and some of the city is claiming in this criticism of the modi government, the reservations are swept and banned from the city centre and new fountains of road junctions in a and around the pavement, they've placed several

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