Over the vexed question of trans rights. The Gender Recognition Reform Scotland Bill is passed. Shame on you with the Prime Minister pondering blocking a controversial new scottish law. If a new law is passed that does impact the rest of the united kingdom, it is important that the uk government receives advice on that before deciding what to do, if anything. But we have one big question this morning is keir starmer ready for the job . So hes here with us live this morning. Sir keir starmer, who wants to be your Prime Minister. Fed up of the Train Strikes . Mark harper, the transport secretary, whose job is to get things running, is here too. And with me at the desk, the hero villain of succession, the Emmy Award Winning actor brian cox. The former minister, now head of the women and Equalities Committee at westminster, caroline nokes. And economist and banker, the boss of natwest, sir howard davies. Good morning and thank you for watching. For the first sunday in a while, prince harry is not dominating the front pages of the sunday papers. Lets ta ke lets take a look at what is going on. The Telegraphs Blushes With A Story from keir starmer about his bold message, he says, to shake up the nhs. The front of the observer reports on a cabinet split on how to pay nhs staff but to sort out the strikes. The mirror and the sun report on the terrible shooting yesterday. And borisjohnson is on the sunday times with a mysterious £800,000 Lending Facility that apparently was at his beck and call when he was in number ten, maybe we will chat about that in a moment. But first of all, sir howard, some good news unusually, there was growth in the economy in november, should we be relieved . H0 growth in the economy in november, should we be relieved . Should we be relieved . No first of all, note should we be relieved . No first of all. Note that should we be relieved . No first of all, note that these should we be relieved . 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Economy is one of the challenges for all the political parties, brian cox, we are about to hear from keir starmer, and previously you said he had a long way to go, you used to be a staunch labour supporter, now you support the snp, but has keir starmer made up any ground in your view . I starmer made up any ground in your view . ~ ,. , , view . I think quite considerably, particularly view . I think quite considerably, particularly about view . I think quite considerably, particularly about the view . I think quite considerably, particularly about the national. Particularly about the national health, i think it has been top heavy for too long, it has gone on for years, and top heavy for too long, it has gone on foryears, and it top heavy for too long, it has gone on for years, and it is not a new thing. It is battered on a regular basis because of that, exactly what keir has been talking about, i completely agree with him. Has he done enough completely agree with him. Has he done enough to completely agree with him. Has he done enough to get completely agree with him. Has he done enough to get you completely agree with him. Has he done enough to get you back completely agree with him. Has he done enough to get you back over| completely agree with him. Has he i done enough to get you back over to the labour party . Hat done enough to get you back over to the labour party . The labour party . Not quite my relationship the labour party . Not quite my relationship to the labour party . Not quite my relationship to scottish relationship to Scottish Independence is quite different. See, i do not believe. I do not believe that this is a break up of the united kingdom, i think it could be a different kind of united. I would like to see a united federation, where each country comes into its own and its sense of autonomy and can contribute as a result to a united federation, where everybody comes together. At the moment, it is top heavy, because it is very south orientated, and i feel that needs to change, that needs to shift. ,. ,. , that needs to change, that needs to shift. ,. , i. , that needs to change, that needs to shift. ,. , , shift. Caroline, your party has been miles behind shift. Caroline, your party has been miles behind labour shift. Caroline, your party has been miles behind labour for shift. Caroline, your party has been miles behind labour for a shift. Caroline, your party has been miles behind labour for a long shift. Caroline, your party has been | miles behind labour for a long time, miles behind labourfor a long time, and when i talk to your colleagues privately, some say it is better if we go into opposition for a while, after all the turmoil, to dust ourselves down, figure out what we are for. You think it might be the best thing for the tory party . Ida. Best thing for the tory party . No, it is an interesting perspective to think it is an interesting perspective to think we it is an interesting perspective to think we need better in opposition. You could think we need better in opposition. You could ask keir whether he has enjoyed you could ask keir whether he has enjoyed opposition very much, i imagine enjoyed opposition very much, i imagine hugely frustrating, i have never imagine hugely frustrating, i have never been in opposition, i came in in 2010 as never been in opposition, i came in in 2010 as part of the coalition and seen in 2010 as part of the coalition and seen conservative governments ever since. Seen conservative governments ever since. So seen conservative governments ever since. So i seen conservative governments ever since. So i think what we have to reflect since. So i think what we have to reflect on. Since. So i think what we have to reflect on. It since. So i think what we have to reflect on, it is a long time to the next reflect on, it is a long time to the next election, still another 18 months. Next election, still another 18 months, and i think people are writing months, and i think people are writing the off far too soon. If a week writing the off far too soon. If a week is writing the off far too soon. If a week is a writing the off far too soon. If a week is a long time in politics, what week is a long time in politics, what is week is a long time in politics, what is 18 week is a long time in politics, what is 18 months . What is 18 months . Probably a lifetime three years ago, the uk was still in the eu, no one had really heard of coronavirus, and after the 2019 disaster for labour, sir keir starmer had Just Announced he wanted to be the man to save the party and take number ten. He beat off his rivals and took whats often thought of as the worstjob in westminster, the leader of her majestys opposition. Hes here with us this morning. Here are some of the images from your time as Labour Leader. The accusation put to you has often been that you are a bit managerial, may be a bit boring, you are not going to get people excited, but actually you have been a very canny political operator, because you are 20 points ahead in the polls pretty consistently, isnt a truth that, far from consistently, isnt a truth that, farfrom being boring, you have been quietly ruthless . Far from being boring, you have been quietly ruthless . Quietly ruthless . Well, laura, i took a very quietly ruthless . Well, laura, i took a very straightforward quietly ruthless . Well, laura, i took a very straightforward approach took a very straightforward approach to the task i had. The labour party lost in 2019, the Waste Election Result since 1935, and many people thought it would be impossible for the labour party to come from that defeat into government, so i said we need to change our party. If you have lost out badly, you do not ask the electorate what they were doing . You look in the mirror and say we need to change. We set about changing the labour party, we had to e