country deserves better? a moment that the liberal democrats can - country deserves better? a moment that the liberal democrats can get l that the liberal democrats can get big running again. we that the liberal democrats can get big running again.— that the liberal democrats can get big running again. we can send the conservatives _ big running again. we can send the conservatives a _ big running again. we can send the conservatives a very _ big running again. we can send the conservatives a very strong - big running again. we can send the i conservatives a very strong message that we — conservatives a very strong message that we are _ conservatives a very strong message that we are fed — conservatives a very strong message that we are fed up— conservatives a very strong message that we are fed up of— conservatives a very strong message that we are fed up of them. - conservatives a very strong message that we are fed up of them. the - that we are fed up of them. the local council _ that we are fed up of them. local council elections that we are fed up of them.- local council elections determine who makes the decisions about our towns and cities so this morning what state of the political parties in? in the conservatives' corner, mark harper — the transport secretary. for labour — not yet a household name but one of the most important people inside the party — shabana mahmood — the campaign coordinator. and what chance do those elections give to the greens? their co—leader adrian ramsey is here. and you might recognise her from hollywood but actress nazanin boniadi is here not to talk about her superstar role in rings of power — but her family's homeland. the british iranian actress and activist is here. and we have a fabulous panel here at the election megadesk to keep a check on our interviews, and look ahead to what promises to be a very eventful week — friend of king charles — nicholas soames; bridgerton star adjoa andoh; and matt clifford — the chair of the aria — the uk's new agency to advance tech research. good morning! all that, and a little bit of eurovision later, and we have been really overwhelemed by your responses to our converations last week about what's going on in our schools, so more of that later. but let's first check in with the front pages. no surprise, lots of them splashing with the coronation. the sunday times going with the idea of pledging allegiance. the sunday telegraph talking about one desantis, the american politician but has a fabulous photograph of soldiers practising for the coronation, the independent newspaper goes in pubs and clubs and what has happened them since brexit. firstly, people are starting to talk about the coronation. nicholas, now baron nicholas soames, you know the king extremely well, what does this week name for him. it’s king extremely well, what does this week name for him.— week name for him. it's a very solemn week. _ week name for him. it's a very solemn week. the _ week name for him. it's a very solemn week. the coming - week name for him. it's a very - solemn week. the coming together of the extraordinary, all the elements of his kingship being brought together in the coronation and it's a great unifying moment or it should be. and i am sure it will be. bringing together the past, the present and the future so something he would take immensely seriously. very straightforward but very serious and very profound. there will be all sorts _ serious and very profound. there will be all sorts of— serious and very profound. there will be all sorts of symbolism - serious and very profound. there | will be all sorts of symbolism and pageantry, the sceptre with its incredible jewels but in pageantry, the sceptre with its incrediblejewels but in building up to that moment and he is taking the throne at a certain point in his life, is he nervous? i throne at a certain point in his life, is he nervous?— throne at a certain point in his life, is he nervous? i think anyone approaching _ life, is he nervous? i think anyone approaching this _ life, is he nervous? i think anyone approaching this sort _ life, is he nervous? i think anyone approaching this sort of _ life, is he nervous? i think anyone approaching this sort of thing - life, is he nervous? i think anyone i approaching this sort of thing would be a bit nervous but it's something members of the royal family, be a bit nervous but it's something members of the royalfamily, he is schooled to it, he has been a naval officer, he is quite used to coping with this sort of stuff but it is very big indeed. what i think is so romantic about it as he is going to be crowned in the same abbey church as was william the conqueror, elizabeth the first was crowned 400 years before his mother was crowned. this is a timeless ceremony and something of great national and historic importance.— something of great national and historic importance. ad'oa andoh, do ou think it historic importance. ad'oa andoh, do you think it willh historic importance. ad'oa andoh, do you think it will be _ historic importance. ad'oa andoh, do you think it will be a _ historic importance. adjoa andoh, do you think it will be a unifying - you think it will be a unifying moment because there's lots of conversations a moment about examining the uk is role in history and everyone is not a fan of the monarchy. mil and everyone is not a fan of the monarchy-— and everyone is not a fan of the monarchy. and everyone is not a fan of the monarch . �* ., ., , , monarchy. all of that is true but it is a ureat monarchy. all of that is true but it is a great moment _ monarchy. all of that is true but it is a great moment in _ monarchy. all of that is true but it is a great moment in our- monarchy. all of that is true but it is a great moment in our history l is a great moment in our history whether— is a great moment in our history whether you are a republican, whether— whether you are a republican, whether you are a republican, whether you want to downsize the monarchy, — whether you want to downsize the monarchy, whatever you feel about the past _ monarchy, whatever you feel about the past at — monarchy, whatever you feel about the past at this country, we are where — the past at this country, we are where we — the past at this country, we are where we are and i think charles, i met him _ where we are and i think charles, i met him at— where we are and i think charles, i met him at the royal shakespeare company. — met him at the royal shakespeare company, i know he is a great supporter_ company, i know he is a great supporter of the arts. he has been hanging _ supporter of the arts. he has been banging the drum for the environment forever~ _ banging the drum for the environment forever. he's made an absolute point of making _ forever. he's made an absolute point of making the same moment where all faiths are _ of making the same moment where all faiths are welcomed into everything that is_ faiths are welcomed into everything that is happening. i think he has a sense _ that is happening. i think he has a sense of— that is happening. i think he has a sense of the variety and interest that this — sense of the variety and interest that this nation now holds and i feel that — that this nation now holds and i feel that in that context, it is a very— feel that in that context, it is a very particular moment and it will be a moment of great reflection, of course _ be a moment of great reflection, of course but — be a moment of great reflection, of course but i — be a moment of great reflection, of course but i think it's a hugely interesting moment for us all. the team if you _ interesting moment for us all. the team if you are — interesting moment for us all. tie: team if you are fully on board interesting moment for us all. ti9 team if you are fully on board with the coronation but matt clifford, as a representative of a younger generation, do you think people are caring less about the monarchy as time goes on? i caring less about the monarchy as time goes on?— time goes on? i think actually the death of the _ time goes on? i think actually the death of the queen _ time goes on? i think actually the death of the queen last _ time goes on? i think actually the death of the queen last year - time goes on? i think actually the death of the queen last year for l time goes on? i think actually the death of the queen last year for a lot of— death of the queen last year for a lot of people _ death of the queen last year for a lot of people reawakened - death of the queen last year for a lot of people reawakened an - lot of people reawakened an interest and a _ lot of people reawakened an interest and a sort _ lot of people reawakened an interest and a sort of— lot of people reawakened an interest and a sort of curiosity _ lot of people reawakened an interest and a sort of curiosity may— lot of people reawakened an interest and a sort of curiosity may be - lot of people reawakened an interest and a sort of curiosity may be aboutl and a sort of curiosity may be about the important — and a sort of curiosity may be about the important part— and a sort of curiosity may be about the important part of— and a sort of curiosity may be about the important part of our— and a sort of curiosity may be about the important part of our national. the important part of our national life. the important part of our national life i_ the important part of our national life i have — the important part of our national life. i have two _ the important part of our national life. i have two young _ the important part of our national life. i have two young children - the important part of our nationali life. i have two young children and for them, — life. i have two young children and for them, that— life. i have two young children and for them, that moment _ life. i have two young children and for them, that moment was - life. i have two young children and for them, that moment was a - life. i have two young children and. for them, that moment was a really important _ for them, that moment was a really important moment— for them, that moment was a really important moment to _ for them, that moment was a really important moment to talk - for them, that moment was a really important moment to talk about. for them, that moment was a really| important moment to talk about the history— important moment to talk about the history of— important moment to talk about the history of our— important moment to talk about the history of our country— important moment to talk about the history of our country and _ important moment to talk about the history of our country and our- history of our country and our future — history of our country and our future and _ history of our country and our future and i_ history of our country and our future and i am _ history of our country and our future and i am hoping - history of our country and our future and i am hoping that. history of our country and our. future and i am hoping that they history of our country and our- future and i am hoping that they are about— future and i am hoping that they are about to _ future and i am hoping that they are about to see — future and i am hoping that they are about to see next _ future and i am hoping that they are about to see next week _ future and i am hoping that they are about to see next week is _ future and i am hoping that they are about to see next week is another . about to see next week is another one _ about to see next week is another one. :, ~' about to see next week is another one. :, ~ , :, about to see next week is another one. . ~ i. . about to see next week is another one. . . , , about to see next week is another one. . . , i. one. thank you so much, plenty of hard work — one. thank you so much, plenty of hard work for _ one. thank you so much, plenty of hard work for you _ one. thank you so much, plenty of hard work for you now _ one. thank you so much, plenty of hard work for you now but - one. thank you so much, plenty of hard work for you now but lots - one. thank you so much, plenty of hard work for you now but lots of l hard work for you now but lots of hard work for you now but lots of hard work for you now but lots of hard work coming up for you later. now, last time he was here, the transport secertary told us, and the long suffering travelling public, that he would help "hammer out a deal" to stop the train strikes. that didn't work out, did it? another round of train strikes is on the way. if you are getting your platforms and sequins ready to get to liverpoool for eurovision on may 13th, don't try and get the train. or if you fancy the fa cup final on 3rd ofjune, that's not going to work out either. mark harper's back. welcome to the programme. last time you were here you said i will facilitate hammering out a deal on the strikes, that has failed and you have failed? i the strikes, that has failed and you have failed?— have failed? i said i would facilitate _ have failed? i said i would facilitate fair _ have failed? i said i would facilitate fair and - have failed? i said i would i facilitate fair and reasonable have failed? i said i would - facilitate fair and reasonable pay offers being made to the trade unions and that's exactly what i did. that their unreasonable pay for network rail made to their staff was put by the rmt to their members and overwhelmingly accepted, 90% of 76% voted in favour and what is inexplicable to me is a similar offer has been made by the train operating companies through their grouping, the rail delivery group, it has been put to the rmt executive and for the third time that executive will not put it to their members and have called strikes which are cynically targeting the eurovision song contest, as you said. it is not our song contest, we are hosting it for ukraine and i have met the head of ukrainian railways. vladimir putin is targeting the railways there, hundreds of staff killed and what we should be doing is in solidarity with them, not targeting an event. your will on the government role on the role of the train companies is about making sure there is an agreement that can be read so not just people going to eurovision but people watching this can get their journeys back to what they expect and the fact is that unions are not ready to accept the deal you've put on the table, four or 5%, half of the inflation along with what they would say are significant changes to how they are expected to work and they would say changes to passenger safety? fix. they would say changes to passenger safe ? : .., , they would say changes to passenger safe ? ~ , :, they would say changes to passenger safe , :, , they would say changes to passenger safe ? ~ , :, ,., ., safety? a couple of things, a fair and reasonable _ safety? a couple of things, a fair and reasonable pay _ safety? a couple of things, a fair and reasonable pay offer - safety? a couple of things, a fair and reasonable pay offer has - safety? a couple of things, a fair. and reasonable pay offer has been made and you have to take my word... it is half of inflation. the same value pay offer was put by the rmt to their members that work on network rail and their members voted for it, 90% of 76% in favour, the members thought it was fair and reasonable with a reform package. the rmt executive will not put the same offers to their members and it seems to me if you are a union leader, put the offer to your members, it is fair and reasonable, the reforms are not unreasonable, it is about a that work seven days a week, not unreasonable. find is about a that work seven days a week, not unreasonable.- is about a that work seven days a week, not unreasonable. and it is a decent pay — week, not unreasonable. and it is a decent pay offer- — week, not unreasonable. and it is a decent pay offer. the _ week, not unreasonable. and it is a decent pay offer. the conditions - decent pay offer. the conditions attach up and looked at and the unions believe the deal has been reneged on but i think for many people this morning... it reneged on but i think for many people this morning. . .- reneged on but i think for many people this morning... it has not been reneged — people this morning... it has not been reneged on, _ people this morning... it has not been reneged on, they _ people this morning... it has not been reneged on, they had - people this morning... it has not been reneged on, they had been| been reneged on, they had been considering it for several weeks and they should put it to their members. the point for many viewers watching this morning is whether it is the railway unions or the nursing unions or the teachers, both of them saying in this studio in the last few weeks they are prepared to strike potentially until christmas rather than accept what is on the table. as a government, are you prepared to go on like this with disruption for passengers, patients and all sorts of members of the public, parents losing out on their kids in the classroom of strike disruption, are you prepared to let this go on until christmas because you will not budge on money? let christmas because you will not budge on mone ? , : ., christmas because you will not budge on mone ? , a , ., on money? let me pick up the health service one. — on money? let me pick up the health service one, that's _ on money? let me pick up the health service one, that's interesting, - on money? let me pick up the health service one, that's interesting, we i service one, that's interesting, we have made what we think is a fair and reasonable pay offer, it has been accepted, you have picked up on the nurses where it has not but it is worth saying the leadership recommended the offer to their members. unison members have accepted the offer, gmb members have accepted the offer, gmb members have accepted it, the secretary of state will have all of the unions on tuesday at the nhs staff council. my question is as you are you prepared as a government to go on until christmas like this? by, as a government to go on until christmas like this?— as a government to go on until christmas like this? a decision will have to be made _ christmas like this? a decision will have to be made on _ christmas like this? a decision will have to be made on whether- christmas like this? a decision will have to be made on whether to - have to be made on whether to implement the pay deal, this is not just about one union, it's about parents, patients, passengers, are you as a government prepared to go on like this until christmas because some of the unions are? on the railway unions, the one i am specifically responsible for, we have played our part and there is a fair and reasonable pay offer on the table. i think the union should put it to their members. i table. i think the union should put it to their members.— table. i think the union should put it to their members. i am interested to see what — it to their members. i am interested to see what you _ it to their members. i am interested to see what you are _ it to their members. i am interested to see what you are going _ it to their members. i am interested to see what you are going to - it to their members. i am interested to see what you are going to do - to see what you are going to do about it as a government, you do not want to budge any more apparently, thatis want to budge any more apparently, that is your decision, and that means for viewers this morning this might go for months. in means for viewers this morning this might go for months.— means for viewers this morning this might go for months. in the end, the --eole might go for months. in the end, the people who — might go for months. in the end, the people who work _ might go for months. in the end, the people who work in _ might go for months. in the end, the people who work in those _ might go for months. in the end, the people who work in those industries l people who work in those industries must make a judgment about whether to accept the pay offer, unite the union have been given a chance to accept the decision. i want a successful railway system that recovers from the disruption it had during the pandemic and by the weight millions of pounds of taxpayer money went into protecting the workers. all the railway unions are going to do is try people away from it. take the big events they are trying to disrupt, the eurovision and the fa cup final. my senses are fantastic bus and coach sector will step up. you senses are fantastic bus and coach sector will step up.— sector will step up. you can get in our sector will step up. you can get in your ministerial— sector will step up. you can get in your ministerial car, _ sector will step up. you can get in your ministerial car, the _ sector will step up. you can get in your ministerial car, the prime - your ministerial car, the prime minister might get there by private plane. the minister might get there by private lane. , , minister might get there by private lane, , , ., minister might get there by private lane. , ,., minister might get there by private lane. , ,. , plane. the bus and coach companies will ste in plane. the bus and coach companies will step in to _ plane. the bus and coach companies will step in to support _ plane. the bus and coach companies will step in to support people, - plane. the bus and coach companies will step in to support people, my i will step in to support people, my plea is fair and reasonable pay is on the table, they have been accepted by some aspects of the system, they should be put to the member so they can vote. you said ou want member so they can vote. you said you want to — member so they can vote. you said you want to see _ member so they can vote. you said you want to see a _ member so they can vote. you said you want to see a successful - you want to see a successful railway. people watching this morning particularly in parts of the north of england know there is one service that's extraordinarily unsuccessful, the transpennine unsuccessful, the tra nspennine express. unsuccessful, the transpennine express. in the next few days you have to decide whether they had their contract renewed, given the level of disruption and service, how can you possibly contemplate giving them another go? by, can you possibly contemplate giving them another go?— can you possibly contemplate giving them another go? a couple of things, i've made them another go? a couple of things, we made one — them another go? a couple of things, i've made one decision _ them another go? a couple of things, i've made one decision in _ them another go? a couple of things, i've made one decision in the - them another go? a couple of things, i've made one decision in the past - i've made one decision in the past and i have one yet to make so other anti—west coast also had problems, i had to make a decision in that case. it had significant performance improvement. i made that decision because i felt they had demonstrated they had improved for passengers and since i made that decision services have continued to get better. we are talkin: have continued to get better. we are talking about — have continued to get better. we are talking about the _ have continued to get better. we are talking about the transpennine - talking about the transpennine express, will you renew it? what express, will you renew it? what i've not express, will you renew it? what we got to _ express, will you renew it? what we got to do _ express, will you renew it? what i've got to do is _ express, will you renew it? what i've got to do is make _ express, will you renew it? what i've got to do is make a - express, will you renew it? entrust i've got to do is make a decision thatis i've got to do is make a decision that is legally defensive so there is a limit to what i can say today. i've listened to passenger feedback, colleagues feedback on both sides of the house, i've met with senior executives from the company and what i have to do is think about the best thing for passengers and i made it clear in parliament and on the media had no option is off the table. ikla had no option is off the table. no 0 tion had no option is off the table. no option is off the table. including not renewing the contract? i option is off the table. including not renewing the contract? i have to make a decision _ not renewing the contract? i have to make a decision that _ not renewing the contract? i have to make a decision that is _ not renewing the contract? i have to make a decision that is legally - make a decision that is legally defensible. i must look at all the facts. : :, . , :, defensible. i must look at all the facts. :, ,, facts. another decision successive ministers have _ facts. another decision successive ministers have had _ facts. another decision successive ministers have had to _ facts. another decision successive ministers have had to take - facts. another decision successive ministers have had to take aboutl ministers have had to take about transport is hst so let me show viewers and in this morning what hs2 was originally going to look like, the planned route, stretching across the planned route, stretching across the country but then that bit disappears, that bit disappears or is delayed, essentially, the line now as predicted is going to be a fraction of what it was expected to be, maybe not even getting into central london. a place in west london most of our viewers have never even heard of might be the end of the multi—billion pound railway line, are you embarrassed when you look at the map what it was meant to be and what it has ended up as? what i have had to do... years and ears what i have had to do... years and years later — what i have had to do... years and years later than — what i have had to do... years and years later than promised - what i have had to do... years and years later than promised i - what i have had to do... years and years later than promised i have i what i have had to do... years and i years later than promised i have had to make sensible _ years later than promised i have had to make sensible decision _ years later than promised i have had to make sensible decision given - years later than promised i have had to make sensible decision given the| to make sensible decision given the level of inflation about making sure we balance the cost about getting it delivered phase one in construction for and anyone goes and looks a birmingham they can see all the development, so it is making a massive impact on the economy, there are tens of thousands of people working on it, that piece we want to keep going as fast as possible. but this was meant to soon reach across much of england we this was meant to soon reach across much of englan— this was meant to soon reach across much of england we have had to slow down by two — much of england we have had to slow down by two years. — much of england we have had to slow down by two years, the _ much of england we have had to slow down by two years, the middle - down by two years, the middle section of it, and we are back on track on the piece to manchester so you have to balance it. we are committed to it. notjust for delivering high speed rail but it frees up capacity on the west coast main line enabling better passenger service on that line and more freight services to get freight off the roads and on to trains which is better four the net zero and decarbonisation. flan better four the net zero and decarbonisation.— better four the net zero and decarbonisation. . , :, ., ., decarbonisation. can you guarantee that this line _ decarbonisation. can you guarantee that this line will _ decarbonisation. can you guarantee that this line will actually _ decarbonisation. can you guarantee that this line will actually go - decarbonisation. can you guarantee that this line will actually go all- that this line will actually go all the way to london euston, even if it takes until 20041? we the way to london euston, even if it takes until 20041?— the way to london euston, even if it takes until 20041? we have committed to do that, we — takes until 20041? we have committed to do that, we are _ takes until 20041? we have committed to do that, we are looking _ takes until 20041? we have committed to do that, we are looking at _ takes until 20041? we have committed to do that, we are looking at the - to do that, we are looking at the design for euston, the design that was on the table was too expensive and one of things i have to do is deliver great infrastructure. that sounds like _ deliver great infrastructure. that sounds like a _ deliver great infrastructure. that sounds like a yes, _ deliver great infrastructure. that sounds like a yes, but. - deliver great infrastructure. that sounds like a yes, but. no, - deliver great infrastructure. that sounds like a yes, but. no, it. deliver great infrastructure. that sounds like a yes, but. no, it is| deliver great infrastructure. that | sounds like a yes, but. no, it is a es, it sounds like a yes, but. no, it is a yes. it is — sounds like a yes, but. no, it is a yes. it is going — sounds like a yes, but. no, it is a yes. it is going to _ sounds like a yes, but. no, it is a yes, it is going to go _ sounds like a yes, but. no, it is a yes, it is going to go from - sounds like a yes, but. no, it is a| yes, it is going to go from euston, to manchester, and we have said that the euston station to old 0ak common will open at the same time as the route through to manchester, that is when you need the capacity, and that is what we have committed to doing. by is what we have committed to doing. by what year? the is what we have committed to doing. by what year?— is what we have committed to doing. by what year? the prime minister and the chancellor _ by what year? the prime minister and the chancellor and _ by what year? the prime minister and the chancellor and myself _ by what year? the prime minister and the chancellor and myself have - by what year? the prime minister and the chancellor and myself have made| the chancellor and myself have made that very clear. br; the chancellor and myself have made that very clear-— the chancellor and myself have made that very clear._ it - the chancellor and myself have made that very clear._ it is i that very clear. by what year? it is dela ed that very clear. by what year? it is delayed by — that very clear. by what year? it is delayed by a _ that very clear. by what year? it is delayed by a couple _ that very clear. by what year? it is delayed by a couple of— that very clear. by what year? it is delayed by a couple of years - that very clear. by what year? it is delayed by a couple of years from | delayed by a couple of years from its original date, we haven't set out a precise date. we are going back there the design work but the commitment for running the line from euston to manchester is there from the prime minister down. tqm. euston to manchester is there from the prime minister down.— euston to manchester is there from the prime minister down. 0k, let us talk about something _ the prime minister down. 0k, let us talk about something else _ the prime minister down. 0k, let us talk about something else that - the prime minister down. 0k, let us talk about something else that has i talk about something else that has been happen, we have seen very distressing events happening in sudan, there has been an evacuation of british national, there was criticism it was too slow to begin with but there are about 1800 people out. the last flight has left. if brits are still there what should they do? it brits are still there what should the do? , :, :, :, they do? it is worth saying one or two words — they do? it is worth saying one or two words on _ they do? it is worth saying one or two words on the _ they do? it is worth saying one or two words on the evacuation. - they do? it is worth saying one or two words on the evacuation. it i they do? it is worth saying one orj two words on the evacuation. it is the longest and most ex eten sieve evacuation of any western nation, so as you said 1888 british nationals have been evacuate and it was important we took the time to plan do that properly. it is not without risk, there was an attack on a turkish aircraft a couple of days ago so i should say thank you to our military and other personnel who have been in sudan making sure we can get those people out.— can get those people out. people if --eole are can get those people out. people if people are still _ can get those people out. people if people are still there _ can get those people out. people if people are still there what - can get those people out. people if people are still there what should i people are still there what should they do? we people are still there what should the do? ~ :, people are still there what should the do? . , ., they do? we are delivering consular su ort they do? we are delivering consular support from _ they do? we are delivering consular support from port — they do? we are delivering consular support from port sudan _ they do? we are delivering consular support from port sudan and - they do? we are delivering consular support from port sudan and we - they do? we are delivering consulari support from port sudan and we have british personnel there, we have got up—to—date travel advice on the foreign office website which people should lock at which looks at the different routes out if they want the leave. we will continue doing what we can do, but we can't deliver the flights out any more, given that we are reached the end of the ceasefire, that is why we were clear through the week that briggs nationals that wanted to leave should have made their way to the airport so they could be evacuated. i want to ask you about another couple of thicker, the local elections are on thursday, it is a big moment, not the huge emoments but they do matter, what is a decent result for the conservatives? you have said you might lose 1,000 seat, what is a decent result? we have said you might lose 1,000 seat, what is a decent result?— what is a decent result? we are fiuuhtin what is a decent result? we are fighting as _ what is a decent result? we are fighting as you _ what is a decent result? we are fighting as you would _ what is a decent result? we are fighting as you would expect. i what is a decent result? we are l fighting as you would expect. we what is a decent result? we are - fighting as you would expect. we are fighting as you would expect. we are fighting for every vote because conservative councils deliver better services with lower council taxes and that is why we will continue nike those arguments. itrufhat and that is why we will continue nike those arguments.- and that is why we will continue nike those arguments. what a decent result? we are _ nike those arguments. what a decent result? we are not _ nike those arguments. what a decent result? we are not in the _ result? we are not in the forecasting _ result? we are not in the forecasting business, - result? we are not in the forecasting business, if. result? we are not in the i forecasting business, if you result? we are not in the - forecasting business, if you look at what independents are saying so not us but the expert, they are sort of pitching it suggesting we might lose one thousand seat, that is what they are saying. one thousand seat, that is what they are sa in. ~ :, one thousand seat, that is what they are sa in. ~ . :, one thousand seat, that is what they aresa in. . ., :, ., are saying. what some of them are sa , not are saying. what some of them are say. not everybody _ are saying. what some of them are say, not everybody accepts - are saying. what some of them are say, not everybody accepts that.. i are saying. what some of them are i say, not everybody accepts that.. we will fight for every vote because i wants as many conservative councillors as possible because they deliver better service, lower council taxes than political points and that is why i think everyone should vote conservative. we will hear from should vote conservative. we will hearfrom labour in a should vote conservative. we will hear from labour in a second but the coronation is fast approaching will you do what the public are going to be offered to do and make your own pledge of allegiance yes. be offered to do and make your own pledge of allegiance— pledge of allegiance yes, all members — pledge of allegiance yes, all members of _ pledge of allegiance yes, all members of parliament - pledge of allegiance yes, all| members of parliament have pledge of allegiance yes, all - members of parliament have done pledge of allegiance yes, all _ members of parliament have done that already, so when his majesty became king most members retook the oaths that we take, to his majority, and i am very happy to do that again. —— majesty. as the panel says i i think it will be a fantastic moment to the country, to bring the country tonight, to unite round the crown and ifantastic tonight, to unite round the crown and i fantastic advertisement for our nation across the world. hundreds of dignitaries coming to the country, a big opportunity for britain. i the country, a big opportunity for britain. :, , the country, a big opportunity for britain. . , :, :, britain. i am sure none of them will be caettin britain. i am sure none of them will be getting the _ britain. i am sure none of them will be getting the train! _ britain. i am sure none of them will be getting the train! thank - britain. i am sure none of them will be getting the train! thank you - britain. i am sure none of them will be getting the train! thank you for. be getting the train! thank you for coming in. thank you for coming in. we're going to talk to labour's shabana mahmood in a few minutes, but if you were watching last week you'll have seen our interview the boss of the schools inspector, amanda spielman. we had a massive response from you — we wanted to share some of it with you this morning. we had that emlike fear, safety, mental health, we were told of a culture of fear, surrounding inspections for all staff, the expectations were just too much, one of you total us, another viewer said that the system was actually damaging the mental health of people at school, and the education of pupils themselves. let us hear from andy, a teacher who got in touch who was inspected recently. shifter andy, a teacher who got in touch who was inspected recently.— was inspected recently. after seeing our show was inspected recently. after seeing your show last _ was inspected recently. after seeing your show last week _ was inspected recently. after seeing your show last week i _ was inspected recently. after seeing your show last week i wanted - was inspected recently. after seeing your show last week i wanted to - was inspected recently. after seeing your show last week i wanted to say | your show last week i wanted to say my expense of 0fsted was not pleasant, it was like being interrogated and cross—examinationed interrogated and cross—examinationed in a court room with question after question being fired at speed. it hasn't improved the teaching and learning in my department. we weren't given feedback if terms of how we could improve so for me it wasn't a useful experience. but how we could improve so for me it wasn't a useful experience.- wasn't a useful experience. but it wasn't a useful experience. but it was not all _ wasn't a useful experience. but it was not all one _ wasn't a useful experience. but it was not all one way _ wasn't a useful experience. but it was not all one way traffic, - wasn't a useful experience. but it was not all one way traffic, one i wasn't a useful experience. but it| was not all one way traffic, one of you told us that 0fsted is there to protect children, and i think a single word assess system how schools are judged is currently suitable. another said most schools are satisfied with 0fsted's view of them, they is accept the criticism as a constructive wake up, we heard from some the parents from caversham provery, the school that was led by the head teacher ruth perry who took her own life after its inspection, one of them told us we don't care about the rating, we want to know that people at our school care about our children, one of the other parents still views the school as outstanding, despite 0fsted's inadequate rating, and they are calling for an inspection system they want to treat parent like adults ant doesn't rely on the single word judgment, we also talked with amanda spiel man about children who didn't go back to school full—time after covid, those so—called ghost children. she told us she was worried about them, so are some of you, the parents of one of those so—called ghost children got in touch, and she said, as the mother of one, there has to be more and better provision for children who cannot cope in school. thank you so much for chairing all of your experiences and we will keep talking about this issue, so many of you obviously care passionately so keepin you obviously care passionately so keep in touch. with me now — a few days ahead of the local elections — is labour's national campaign co—ordinator, shabana mahmood. welcome to the studio for the first time. great to have you here. labour is talking about housing today, they are closing stage of this campaign, and you say you would bring back targets to get houses build in local areas that rishi sunak scrapped, but on its own, just having targets wouldn't get houses built, so how wouldn't get houses built, so how would you make shoe it happened we would you make shoe it happened 9 have to make sure we are meeting local need. one of the worst thing rishi did he snuck the an nous. 0ut before christmas last year, is removing the targets but without any kind of viable alternative in place, and that means that actually, millions of people now will be locked out of being able to buy a home. we know people are desperate to get on the housing ladder and we are not billing enough homes, so removing the target, establishing the targets without a viable alternative is the wrong approach, we would bring them back, while there is a conversation to be had about the exact formula and the targets are reached they are absolutely necessary to make sure that homes are built and it has to sit within a wider package of reform of planning and the way we do development to make sure the houses are built. :, :, , ., ., , are built. how does having targets on a iece are built. how does having targets on a piece of _ are built. how does having targets on a piece of paper— are built. how does having targets on a piece of paper get _ are built. how does having targets on a piece of paper get spades - are built. how does having targets on a piece of paper get spades in l on a piece of paper get spades in the ground, bricks laid and people into new houses. the the ground, bricks laid and people into new houses.— the ground, bricks laid and people into new houses. the targets set by the, the into new houses. the targets set by the. they are _ into new houses. the targets set by the, they are supposed _ into new houses. the targets set by the, they are supposed to _ into new houses. the targets set by the, they are supposed to be - into new houses. the targets set by l the, they are supposed to be binding targets on local authorities, in order to get houses built to meet local housing need. 0bviously, order to get houses built to meet local housing need. obviously, the target alone can't achieve that, there has to be the political will to drive that threw and to thrive that forward, that is why we are saying we would bring the target back, we would have conversations with local authorities, about maybe how the targets are set but we would have those targets in place, and then we would also have other reforms to our planning framework in our country to make sure that in fact the target alone does deliver the houses as well, because in the end this is about housing need and making sure homes are build in our country, it is something our country has failed to do and we have to start putting that right.- has failed to do and we have to start putting that right. would you force councils _ start putting that right. would you force councils to _ start putting that right. would you force councils to build _ start putting that right. would you force councils to build new - start putting that right. would you | force councils to build new homes? you are talking about conversations and targets with i may or may not be the right thing to do, would yous for them? we the right thing to do, would yous for them? ~ :, the right thing to do, would yous for them? 9 ., :, , :, , for them? we have to build homes so we have to stop _ for them? we have to build homes so we have to stop having _ for them? we have to build homes so we have to stop having a _ for them? we have to build homes so we have to stop having a system - we have to stop having a system where by developments don't happen because speculation fors have bought land on it, we have to stop having a system where effectively people can block housing in their areas, local housing need. block housing in their areas, local housing need-— housing need. would you force to have them _ housing need. would you force to have them do _ housing need. would you force to have them do it _ housing need. would you force to have them do it we _ housing need. would you force to have them do it we will _ housing need. would you force to have them do it we will get - housing need. would you force to i have them do it we will get housing built, have them do it we will get housing built. because _ have them do it we will get housing built, because we _ have them do it we will get housing built, because we are _ have them do it we will get housing built, because we are going - have them do it we will get housing built, because we are going to - have them do it we will get housing built, because we are going to have j built, because we are going to have a wired package of reforms round the planning system, to make sure that that system tilts the process, in favour of getting homes built, it will involve local people to make sure they are part of the design for air area, sure they are part of the design for airarea, assuming sure they are part of the design for air area, assuming always that housing need has to be met so the question is not are we going to build home,er the thing we debated is where the homes are and make sure they are in the places people want and need them. you they are in the places people want and need them.— they are in the places people want and need them. you have said that first-time buyers _ and need them. you have said that first-time buyers would _ and need them. you have said that first-time buyers would get - and need them. you have said that first-time buyers would get first i first—time buyers would get first debs to use the phrase on new development, i mean what does that mean, and, why would first—time buyers, maybe with no kids, no dependents or nobody they are caring for get priority over a family that might be crammed into a tiny flat and desperately needs a bigger house? it and desperately needs a bigger house? , ., , ., house? it sit about ensuring that eo - le house? it sit about ensuring that people can _ house? it sit about ensuring that people can get — house? it sit about ensuring that people can get on _ house? it sit about ensuring that people can get on the _ house? it sit about ensuring that people can get on the housing i house? it sit about ensuring that i people can get on the housing ladder and first time bayer we know are particularly struggling, so the point round the first dibs policy is to tilt the system in favour of those who simply cannot get a home and are desperate tot have a home ownership. it is about making sure that the rules are in place to favour within the. is, first time bayerers, it is about stopping foreign speck tailors buying huge amounts of development off plan often, even before they have been built and keeping that stock and holding on to it so the prices rise. i am trying to understand what would that mean, if you go to the eight as a first time bayer do they say yes you will be able to buy this house more easily than someone who is offering more it more easily than someone who is offering mor— offering more it is about legislative _ offering more it is about legislative reform - offering more it is about legislative reform to i offering more it is about i legislative reform to make offering more it is about - legislative reform to make sure offering more it is about _ legislative reform to make sure that first—time buyers get first deb, it is about making sure you prevent the properties from being available to people who are not first—time buyers, that would be through regulation, 50 buyers, that would be through regulation.— buyers, that would be through regulation, buyers, that would be through rerulation, _, ., ., regulation, so could that mean then, bannin: regulation, so could that mean then, banning people _ regulation, so could that mean then, banning people from _ regulation, so could that mean then, banning people from selling - regulation, so could that mean then, banning people from selling their- banning people from selling their homes, to people who aren't first—time buyers and telling homeowners or telling a private builder you can't sell that house to someone, you have to sell it to them, that is a pretty big intervention it them, that is a pretty big interventio- them, that is a pretty big interventio , :, :, intervention it is to say foreign speculators — intervention it is to say foreign speculators can't _ intervention it is to say foreign speculators can't buy - intervention it is to say foreign i speculators can't buy developments now hear how, and hoard the properties preventing first—time buyers from being able to get on the housing ladder, yes it's a big intervention, it is deliberately big because our housing market does not work, and we are not building enough homes and the honourable members with are building are bought up off plan before any local person canest if their hands on it. we want to change that system and make sure that the dream of home ownership can reach mother people in our country. you would use the law to put people who had never been able to afford a property before at the top of the queue and you would ban other people from being able to buy some property we are making no apologies for the fact we want to privilege first—time buyers in our country. itrufhat fact we want to privilege first-time buyers in our country.— buyers in our country. what about somethin: buyers in our country. what about something more _ buyers in our country. what about something more radical— buyers in our country. what about something more radicalthat i buyers in our country. what about| something more radicalthat might something more radical that might have a quicker effect, so the london mayor, and labour in scotland want to rent freeze and it happened in scotland although it is being tweaked by the london mayor wants the power to do it. a big part is rent increase month and month in ways that are unmanageable. why not freeze rents that would be more radical? abs, freeze rents that would be more radical? : , freeze rents that would be more radical? ~ _ .,, freeze rents that would be more radical? ~ _ :, freeze rents that would be more radical? _ :, ., , _ radical? a policy has to, any policy we have has _ radical? a policy has to, any policy we have has to _ radical? a policy has to, any policy we have has to be _ radical? a policy has to, any policy we have has to be fully _ radical? a policy has to, any policy we have has to be fully funded i radical? a policy has to, any policy we have has to be fully funded and costed, we not looking at represent freezes because the reason that the housing market is broken, is because we are simply not building enough homes, that is pushing rents up as well so you have to unlock the blockage as source and it is a national disgrace we are not building enough homes in our country but also we have the impact of the budget that the government had in autumn which has also created mortgage penalty for people all over our country and that has been passed on the renter as well. so... fin our country and that has been passed on the renter as well. so. . ._ on the renter as well. so... on the chances on the renter as well. so... on the changes you _ on the renter as well. so... on the changes you are — on the renter as well. so... on the changes you are talking _ on the renter as well. so... on the changes you are talking about i on the renter as well. so... on the changes you are talking about to i on the renter as well. so... on the i changes you are talking about to put first time bayers to the top of the list to unlock house building, that would needs to the law whereas right now we know from our e—mails get to this programme and we know from people, friends and family, rents are increasingly unaffordable, a simple policy that lots of people in your party are interested in, including the london mayor and scottish labour leader think freeze rents for do it now, people can't manage, why not? by, rents for do it now, people can't manage, why not?— rents for do it now, people can't manage, why not? a better policy that would get _ manage, why not? a better policy that would get to _ manage, why not? a better policy that would get to the _ manage, why not? a better policy that would get to the heart - manage, why not? a better policy that would get to the heart of i manage, why not? a better policy that would get to the heart of the | that would get to the heart of the problem we are trying to fix would be building homes, making sure there is the housing supply in place and making sure that the people who need to buy them, ly first time bayer have the chance to get on the housing ladder, in the end that is the way to fix the problem, the problem is struck kehr —— structural and long lasting and that is fundamentally the only way round the problem, everything else is a tweak to the system that might be a good temporary measure but it won't get to the heart of the problem. abs]!!! of to the heart of the problem. all of those things _ to the heart of the problem. all of those things that _ to the heart of the problem. all of those things that you _ to the heart of the problem. all of those things that you are - to the heart of the problem. all of those things that you are talking about, and many people would say there are deep long running problems in the housing market. all of the things you are talking about would take time so you are saying a labour government wouldn't give immediate help to people who can't pay their rent at the moment. we would immediately prioritise tackling the cost of living crisis and everything pudding pressure on household budgets. brute and everything pudding pressure on household budgets.— household budgets. we will -rioritise household budgets. we will prioritise making _ household budgets. we will prioritise making the - household budgets. we will. prioritise making the changes household budgets. we will- prioritise making the changes to the national planning framework and our housing market to make sure we deal with the problem at source. you housing market to make sure we deal with the problem at source.— with the problem at source. you are in charre with the problem at source. you are in charge of— with the problem at source. you are in charge of the _ with the problem at source. you are in charge of the local _ with the problem at source. you are in charge of the local election - in charge of the local election campaign, a powerfuljob as campaign coordinator, we had a goal with mark harper who was coy about putting a number on how the tories might do, one colleague of yours said 500 seats labour would be cracking the champagne, would that be a decent night for you?— night for you? what i am looking at in the local— night for you? what i am looking at in the local elections _ night for you? what i am looking at in the local elections is _ night for you? what i am looking at in the local elections is where i night for you? what i am looking at in the local elections is where the l in the local elections is where the councillors are elected, i'm pleased with the campaign we are running, focusing on the cost of living crisis, the number one issue facing families so i will be looking not just at the number of councillors but operate they are. i am looking to make progress on the road to the next general election, a huge crossover but between some of the seats were contested in this local election that impacts on the seats we need to win in the general election so i'm looking at that and that there was 400 or as near as i want them to be, it is a good night for the labour party. brute want them to be, it is a good night for the labour party.— for the labour party. we asked my co er, for the labour party. we asked my copper. everyone _ for the labour party. we asked my copper, everyone talking - for the labour party. we asked my copper, everyone talking about i for the labour party. we asked my| copper, everyone talking about the coronation and buckingham palace is offering everyone the chance to pledge their allegiance to the king, will you do it? it is pledge their allegiance to the king, will you do it?— will you do it? it is a lovely idea to ask people. _ will you do it? it is a lovely idea to ask people, instead - will you do it? it is a lovely idea to ask people, instead of - will you do it? it is a lovely idea to ask people, instead of the i will you do it? it is a lovely idea i to ask people, instead of the mash by the peers unlike all members of parliament i have sworn my allegiance to the king, i am a practising muslim, i did that on my holy book and i was proud to do so and i will bejoining in on saturday. and i will be “oining in on serum.— and i will be “oining in on saturda. . . :, saturday. thank you so much for “oininr us saturday. thank you so much for joining us this — saturday. thank you so much for joining us this morning _ saturday. thank you so much for joining us this morning for- saturday. thank you so much for joining us this morning for your i joining us this morning for your first time in the studio. we want to hearfrom you, you know first time in the studio. we want to hear from you, you know that! let's discuss with my panel, nicholas soames, adjoa andoh and matt clifford. it's interesting, we talked about this idea pledging allegiance at the coronation, do you think people will do that in large numbers, sitting at home, watching along? watching the coronation in the pub, i saw a suggestion people will be expected to do it? i suggestion people will be expected to do it? , , , 9 suggestion people will be expected todoit? ,,, 9 9, suggestion people will be expected todoit? ,,, . ., :, :, , to do it? i suspect a lot of people will do it, — to do it? i suspect a lot of people will do it, there _ to do it? i suspect a lot of people will do it, there is _ to do it? i suspect a lot of people will do it, there is a _ to do it? i suspect a lot of people will do it, there is a big _ will do it, there is a big undercurrent of patriotism in this country and as nicholas said at the start, a lot of people will see it as more than just about a particular person but about history and the future and a set of institutions we can be proud of.— future and a set of institutions we can be proud of. huge drama in the institution, — can be proud of. huge drama in the institution, we _ can be proud of. huge drama in the institution, we know king _ can be proud of. huge drama in the institution, we know king charles i institution, we know king charles and queen camilla, huge drama, family strife, i know that you, to my plea, thinking it's a big supporter of the arts but is there a risk to the family because of the family drama that goes on? me risk to the family because of the family drama that goes on? we are all human beings, _ family drama that goes on? we are all human beings, the _ family drama that goes on? we are all human beings, the royal- family drama that goes on? we are all human beings, the royalfamily| all human beings, the royal family are human — all human beings, the royal family are human beings in a goldfish bowl. just as— are human beings in a goldfish bowl. just as we _ are human beings in a goldfish bowl. just as we all have to navigate families, the royal family has to as well and _ families, the royal family has to as well and they have enormous pressures on them. they are raced in a particular— pressures on them. they are raced in a particular way to understand those pressures— a particular way to understand those pressures will be on them but they are still— pressures will be on them but they are still human.— are still human. nicholas soames, are still human. nicholas soames, are ou are still human. nicholas soames, are you happy _ are still human. nicholas soames, are you happy prince _ are still human. nicholas soames, are you happy prince harry - are still human. nicholas soames, are you happy prince harry is i are still human. nicholas soames, i are you happy prince harry is coming to the coronation? i are you happy prince harry is coming to the coronation?— to the coronation? i think it would be very sad _ to the coronation? i think it would be very sad if— to the coronation? i think it would be very sad if he _ to the coronation? i think it would be very sad if he didn't _ to the coronation? i think it would be very sad if he didn't come i to the coronation? i think it would be very sad if he didn't come to i be very sad if he didn't come to support— be very sad if he didn't come to support his _ be very sad if he didn't come to support his family— be very sad if he didn't come to support his family and - be very sad if he didn't come to support his family and his - support his family and his father but all— support his family and his father but all our— support his family and his father but all our families, _ support his family and his father but all our families, all- support his family and his father but all our families, all of- support his family and his father but all our families, all of us, i support his family and his father but all our families, all of us, it| but all our families, all of us, it is not _ but all our families, all of us, it is not easy— but all our families, all of us, it is not easy for— but all our families, all of us, it is not easy for anyone, - but all our families, all of us, it is not easy for anyone, really. i but all our families, all of us, it i is not easy for anyone, really. this is not easy for anyone, really. this is not _ is not easy for anyone, really. this is not a _ is not easy for anyone, really. this is not a day— is not easy for anyone, really. this is not a day about _ is not easy for anyone, really. this is not a day about that. _ is not easy for anyone, really. this is not a day about that. i— is not easy for anyone, really. this is not a day about that. i think i is not easy for anyone, really. this is not a day about that. i think we i is not a day about that. i think we will all— is not a day about that. i think we will all be, — is not a day about that. i think we will all be, people _ is not a day about that. i think we will all be, people will— is not a day about that. i think we will all be, people will be - will all be, people will be surprised _ will all be, people will be surprised at— will all be, people will be surprised at how - 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which we have not seen in this country— which we have not seen in this country since _ which we have not seen in this country since the _ which we have not seen in this country since the coronation i which we have not seen in thisj country since the coronation of which we have not seen in this i country since the coronation of the last queen — country since the coronation of the last queen. don't— country since the coronation of the last queen. don't forget, - country since the coronation of the last queen. don't forget, very i country since the coronation of the i last queen. don't forget, very much the hope _ last queen. don't forget, very much the hope is — last queen. don't forget, very much the hope is of— last queen. don't forget, very much the hope is of winston _ last queen. don't forget, very much the hope is of winston churchill i last queen. don't forget, very much the hope is of winston churchill at i the hope is of winston churchill at the hope is of winston churchill at the coronation _ the hope is of winston churchill at the coronation of _ the hope is of winston churchill at the coronation of the _ the hope is of winston churchill at the coronation of the queen, i the hope is of winston churchill at the coronation of the queen, this| the coronation of the queen, this would _ the coronation of the queen, this would open — the coronation of the queen, this would open a _ the coronation of the queen, this would open a great _ the coronation of the queen, this would open a great new- the coronation of the queen, this would open a great new era, i the coronation of the queen, this would open a great new era, thel would open a great new era, the elizabethan _ would open a great new era, the elizabethan era _ would open a great new era, the elizabethan era which _ would open a great new era, the elizabethan era which he - 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about the future. it looks very difficult, i know. but i - about the future. it looks very difficult, i know. but i still- about the future. it looks very i difficult, i know. but i still think this is— difficult, i know. but i still think this is a — difficult, i know. but i still think this is a golden _ difficult, i know. but i still think this is a golden moment- difficult, i know. but i still think this is a golden moment and i difficult, i know. but i still think this is a golden moment and we should — this is a golden moment and we should grasp _ this is a golden moment and we should grasp it~ _ this is a golden moment and we should grasp it.— this is a golden moment and we should grasp it. when you've been there on saturday, _ should grasp it. when you've been there on saturday, what _ should grasp it. when you've been there on saturday, what are - should grasp it. when you've been there on saturday, what are you i there on saturday, what are you doing? i there on saturday, what are you doin: ? 9, , :, :, there on saturday, what are you doin. ? ., , :, :, :, there on saturday, what are you doin: ? 9, , :, :, :, ., doing? i am very honoured to have been asked. _ doing? i am very honoured to have been asked, i cannot _ doing? i am very honoured to have been asked, i cannot tell— doing? i am very honoured to have been asked, i cannot tell you i doing? i am very honoured to have been asked, i cannot tell you howl been asked, i cannot tell you how much it— been asked, i cannot tell you how much it means _ been asked, i cannot tell you how much it means.— much it means. going back to the family drama. _ much it means. going back to the family drama, adjoa _ much it means. going back to the family drama, adjoa andoh, i much it means. going back to the family drama, adjoa andoh, your| much it means. going back to the - family drama, adjoa andoh, your new play, you are doing something really interesting, playing richard iii? i think we can have a little clip of what that looks like. tell think we can have a little clip of what that looks like.— think we can have a little clip of what that looks like. tell him and spare not- _ what that looks like. tell him and spare not- i _ what that looks like. tell him and spare not. i have _ what that looks like. tell him and spare not. i have said, _ what that looks like. tell him and spare not. i have said, i - what that looks like. tell him and spare not. i have said, i will- what that looks like. tell him and spare not. i have said, i will bow| spare not. i have said, iwill bow in presence _ spare not. i have said, iwill bow in presence of the king. i will be in presence of the king. iwill be sent— in presence of the king. i will be sent to — in presence of the king. i will be sent to the — in presence of the king. i will be sent to the tower for it. it is time to speak— sent to the tower for it. it is time to speak my— sent to the tower for it. it is time to speak my pains. gut sent to the tower for it. it is time to speak my pains.— sent to the tower for it. it is time to speak my pains. out demo. yet kissed my — to speak my pains. out demo. yet kissed my husband _ to speak my pains. out demo. yet kissed my husband henry - to speak my pains. out demo. yet kissed my husband henry in - to speak my pains. out demo. yet kissed my husband henry in the i kissed my husband henry in the tower~ — kissed my husband henry in the tower. ~ . . , ., tower. what an interesting thing to do and it is a _ tower. what an interesting thing to do and it is a violent _ tower. what an interesting thing to do and it is a violent and _ tower. what an interesting thing to do and it is a violent and dramatic. do and it is a violent and dramatic period in history so is there a shakespearean element to what is happening in the world? you shakespearean element to what is happening in the world?— shakespearean element to what is happening in the world? you can look at richard iii — happening in the world? you can look at richard iii from _ happening in the world? you can look at richard iii from one _ happening in the world? you can look at richard iii from one perspective . at richard iii from one perspective as a family— at richard iii from one perspective as a family drama, you can look at the younger— as a family drama, you can look at the younger brother of edward iv, he fought— the younger brother of edward iv, he fought in_ the younger brother of edward iv, he fought in the trenches as it were with his — fought in the trenches as it were with his brother at tewkesbury to -et with his brother at tewkesbury to get the _ with his brother at tewkesbury to get the crown from henry vi. then he marries— get the crown from henry vi. then he marries elizabeth woodville and richard — marries elizabeth woodville and richard is sort of product to one side _ richard is sort of product to one side a — richard is sort of product to one side. a soldier who comes in from does _ side. a soldier who comes in from does he _ side. a soldier who comes in from does he do — side. a soldier who comes in from does he do in peace time? the attention— does he do in peace time? the attention of his brother is elsewhere, he feels betrayed by his brothers _ elsewhere, he feels betrayed by his brothers clarence and edward, he hates _ brothers clarence and edward, he hates margaret who was responsible for the _ hates margaret who was responsible for the death of his younger brother, _ for the death of his younger brother, there is a lot of... his mother— brother, there is a lot of... his mother does not like him, there is a lot of— mother does not like him, there is a lot of money, — mother does not like him, there is a lot of money, love me! the complications are family. for him thinking — complications are family. for him thinking power will solve everything for him _ thinking power will solve everything for him i_ thinking power will solve everything for him. i think we have a different sort of— for him. i think we have a different sort of focus — for him. i think we have a different sort of focus with our current king, it's hot— sort of focus with our current king, it's not grasping of that sort of power. — it's not grasping of that sort of power, there is soft power, there is international conversation that happens — international conversation that happens in a different way that chartes— happens in a different way that charles can exercise. if shakespeare was writin: charles can exercise. if shakespeare was writing about _ charles can exercise. if shakespeare was writing about the _ charles can exercise. if shakespeare was writing about the royal - charles can exercise. if shakespeare was writing about the royal family i was writing about the royal family today, he would be the main character and the most interesting to explore? 50 character and the most interesting to “more?— character and the most interesting toexlore? ., , . ., , to explore? so many character she had the complexity _ to explore? so many character she had the complexity for _ to explore? so many character she i had the complexity for shakespearean characters. _ had the complexity for shakespearean characters, the heroes and villains all wrapped in one person. he gave a little smile. — all wrapped in one person. he gave a little smile, who _ all wrapped in one person. he gave a little smile, who mature _ all wrapped in one person. he gave a little smile, who mature main - little smile, who mature main character be? i little smile, who mature main character be?— little smile, who mature main character be? ,, ,, ., ,, , , ., character be? i think shakespeare would write _ character be? i think shakespeare would write about _ character be? i think shakespeare would write about the _ character be? i think shakespeare would write about the king. - character be? i think shakespeare would write about the king. therei character be? i think shakespeare i would write about the king. there we are. would write about the king. there we are the _ would write about the king. there we are the king. — would write about the king. there we are. the king, steeped— would write about the king. there we are. the king, steeped in— are. the king, steeped in shakespeare _ are. the king, steeped in shakespeare and - are. the king, steeped in shakespeare and in- are. the king, steeped in- shakespeare and in the cultural history— shakespeare and in the cultural history of— shakespeare and in the cultural history of the _ shakespeare and in the cultural history of the rates _ shakespeare and in the cultural history of the rates of- shakespeare and in the cultural history of the rates of this - history of the rates of this country~ _ history of the rates of this country-— history of the rates of this count . �*, ., ., country. let's look at the future of the country- _ country. let's look at the future of the country. matt _ country. let's look at the future of the country. matt clifford, - country. let's look at the future of the country. matt clifford, your i the country. matt clifford, your starter for the country. matt clifford, your starterfor ten, tell us the country. matt clifford, your starter for ten, tell us what the agency you churn outdoors. it’s agency you churn outdoors. it's about agency you churn outdoors. it�*s about extraordinary and scientific talent in this country. i have spent the last ten years building a business investing in technical talent and we have built businesses with over $10 billion.— with over $10 billion. sorry, i 'ust wanted to check i with over $10 billion. sorry, i 'ust wanted to check that i with over $10 billion. sorry, i 'ust wanted to check that for i with over $10 billion. sorry, i 'ust wanted to check that for the h wanted to check that for the audience, 10 billion?- wanted to check that for the audience, 10 billion? arya, what i see and that _ audience, 10 billion? arya, what i see and that is _ audience, 10 billion? arya, what i see and that is a _ audience, 10 billion? arya, what i see and that is a parallel, - audience, 10 billion? arya, what i see and that is a parallel, we - audience, 10 billion? arya, what i | see and that is a parallel, we have some of the worlds greatest scientific institutions and best researchers in the world in this country so how do we unleash them, fund them in a way that funds breakthroughs for the uk and the world. ., ., , breakthroughs for the uk and the world. . ., , ., ., world. one thing that raised a lot of eyebrows _ world. one thing that raised a lot of eyebrows in — world. one thing that raised a lot of eyebrows in the _ world. one thing that raised a lot of eyebrows in the world - world. one thing that raised a lot of eyebrows in the world of - of eyebrows in the world of technology was the decision in this country by the authorities not to allow microsoft to buy a gaming business activation on the microsoft boss says that means the uk is not a good place to do business, i want to do business in the eu not the case of what did you make of that kind of warning? the of what did you make of that kind of warnin: ? .., , of what did you make of that kind of warnin: ? ..,, , of what did you make of that kind of warninu? , , , warning? the case itself is very complex and — warning? the case itself is very complex and i— warning? the case itself is very complex and i think _ warning? the case itself is very complex and i think it - warning? the case itself is very complex and i think it is - warning? the case itself is very i complex and i think it is genuinely very finely balanced but what i hear from people in uk tech is very mixed. there are some people who say yes there is a chilling effect on investment of people believe they cannot get a return but remember this is a $2 trillion company trying to buy a $70 billion company and lots of start—ups say what i need to succeed as a vibrant market and a thick tech consolidates everything it is hard to win sol thick tech consolidates everything it is hard to win so i don't think it's as black and white as microsoft would have you believe. the interesting _ would have you believe. the interesting thing _ would have you believe. the interesting thing is you have a massive business looking at the uk overall and saying i do not fancy being there any more. doesn't that what you are someone trying to promote tech businesses? we should see how that — promote tech businesses? we should see how that plays — promote tech businesses? we should see how that plays out, _ promote tech businesses? we should see how that plays out, i'm _ see how that plays out, i'm sceptical microsoft is not the uk but i think the point is what do we want to have in this country? a vibrant domestic technology system were ideally in the future that are trillion dollar company doing the buying is british not the $70 billion company doing the selling. you are optimistic about the future but one thing we talked about as artificial intelligence and both its huge opportunities but also its big risks and a tech billionaire told us a couple of weeks ago he genuinely believes that the path of very high—end artificial intelligence might end up destroying humanity? yet to the people who run these laboratories, can you tell when they speak to you should you do make me feel reassured or frightened speak to you should you do make me feel reassured orfrightened by speak to you should you do make me feel reassured or frightened by the potential if this goes wrong? it is uenuinel potential if this goes wrong? lit 3 genuinely both, some good news there. as well as some real risks. absolutely, the people who run these laboratories are trying to build probably the most powerful technology in the history of our species, trying to build technology that will effectively be able to automate all labour and be better at humans than everything human still under that does not excite you and terrify you a little bit there is probably something wrong with you! the real challenge is we are advancing the capabilities of the system is faster than we are advancing our ability to control them. what does that require? investment over control and the safety side, one of the other things i've been involved in is the new artificial intelligence task force announced this week which is about the uk investing in its own capabilities. is it adequate? one thing i was pleased about and everyone should see this as an encouragement, right at the height of the announcement was the idea of safer artificial intelligence, the uk investing in robust and safe systems and i think there's a lot of talk about regulation which is obviously an important part of the puzzle but we must remember it's not actually adequate on its own and what we need to do is invest in technology to make it safe. nicholas, i want to ask about the hunt for the chairman person of the bbc? a cartoon in the sunday times showing rishi sunak with a huge borisjohnson glowering around the corner and this comes after richard sharp who was the or of rishi sunak and someone who knew borisjohnson had to quit at the end of last week because he put a friend who wanted to act as a loan guarantor in touch with the cabinet office supposedly to help borisjohnson with a financial predicament. you have been around politics for a long time, how much of a problem do you think this is, this issue of cronyism? sos much of a problem do you think this is, this issue of cronyism?— is, this issue of cronyism? sos a roblem is, this issue of cronyism? sos a problem if _ is, this issue of cronyism? sos a problem if it's — is, this issue of cronyism? sos a problem if it's badly _ is, this issue of cronyism? sos a problem if it's badly done - is, this issue of cronyism? sos a problem if it's badly done and i l problem if it's badly done and i feel sorry— problem if it's badly done and i feel sorry richard _ problem if it's badly done and i feel sorry richard sharp - problem if it's badly done and i feel sorry richard sharp had i problem if it's badly done and i feel sorry richard sharp had to| problem if it's badly done and i. feel sorry richard sharp had to go because _ feel sorry richard sharp had to go because i— feel sorry richard sharp had to go because i think— feel sorry richard sharp had to go because i think he _ feel sorry richard sharp had to go because i think he was _ feel sorry richard sharp had to go because i think he was doing - feel sorry richard sharp had to go because i think he was doing andl feel sorry richard sharp had to go l because i think he was doing and by common— because i think he was doing and by common consent _ because i think he was doing and by common consent was _ because i think he was doing and by common consent was beginning - because i think he was doing and by common consent was beginning to. because i think he was doing and by. common consent was beginning to do a very good _ common consent was beginning to do a very good job — common consent was beginning to do a very good job but— common consent was beginning to do a very good job but it _ common consent was beginning to do a very good job. but it is _ common consent was beginning to do a very good job. but it is clear— common consent was beginning to do a very good job. but it is clear that - very good job. but it is clear that the process— very good job. but it is clear that the process was _ very good job. but it is clear that the process was not _ very good job. but it is clear that the process was not followed - very good job. but it is clear that the process was not followed in i very good job. but it is clear that l the process was not followed in the way it _ the process was not followed in the way it should — the process was not followed in the way it should have been. _ the process was not followed in the way it should have been. and - way it should have been. and therefore _ way it should have been. and therefore i_ way it should have been. and therefore i think— way it should have been. and therefore i think it _ way it should have been. and therefore i think it is - way it should have been. and therefore i think it is clear. way it should have been. and therefore i think it is clear he! way it should have been. and - therefore i think it is clear he was right— therefore i think it is clear he was right to _ therefore i think it is clear he was right to resign _ therefore i think it is clear he was right to resign i_ therefore i think it is clear he was right to resign. i thought- therefore i think it is clear he was right to resign. i thought the - right to resign. i thought the curtain— right to resign. i thought the curtain in— right to resign. i thought the curtain in the _ right to resign. i thought the curtain in the guardian - right to resign. i thought the curtain in the guardian of- right to resign. i thought the - curtain in the guardian of richard sharp— curtain in the guardian of richard sharp was— curtain in the guardian of richard sharp was utterly _ curtain in the guardian of richard sharp was utterly contemptible . curtain in the guardian of richard . sharp was utterly contemptible and vile. sharp was utterly contemptible and vile and _ sharp was utterly contemptible and vile and i— sharp was utterly contemptible and vile. and i think— sharp was utterly contemptible and vile. and i think if— sharp was utterly contemptible and vile. and i think if we _ sharp was utterly contemptible and vile. and i think if we get _ sharp was utterly contemptible and vile. and i think if we get into- vile. and i think if we get into that— vile. and i think if we get into that sort— vile. and i think if we get into that sort of— vile. and i think if we get into that sort of model we - vile. and i think if we get into that sort of model we really l vile. and i think if we get into. that sort of model we really are vile. and i think if we get into- that sort of model we really are in bad water~ — that sort of model we really are in bad water but— that sort of model we really are in bad water. but there _ that sort of model we really are in bad water. but there is _ that sort of model we really are in bad water. but there is a - bad water. but there is a due process— bad water. but there is a due process and _ bad water. but there is a due process and we _ bad water. but there is a due process and we will go - bad water. but there is a due i process and we will go through bad water. but there is a due - process and we will go through it. the prime — process and we will go through it. the prime minister— process and we will go through it. the prime minister will— process and we will go through it. the prime minister will ultimately approve _ the prime minister will ultimately approve the — the prime minister will ultimately approve the appointment - the prime minister will ultimately approve the appointment i - the prime minister will ultimatelyl approve the appointment i imagine but they— approve the appointment i imagine but they will — approve the appointment i imagine but they will go _ approve the appointment i imagine but they will go through _ approve the appointment i imagine but they will go through it - but they will go through it ultimately— but they will go through it ultimately with— but they will go through it i ultimately with scrutiny and but they will go through it - ultimately with scrutiny and thus will not — ultimately with scrutiny and thus will not happen _ ultimately with scrutiny and thus will not happen again _ ultimately with scrutiny and thus will not happen again and i - ultimately with scrutiny and thus will not happen again and i am i will not happen again and i am greatly— will not happen again and i am greatly in— will not happen again and i am greatly in favour— will not happen again and i am greatly in favour of— will not happen again and i am greatly in favour of all- will not happen again and i am greatly in favour of all these i will not happen again and i am . greatly in favour of all these great appointments _ greatly in favour of all these great appointments being _ greatly in favour of all these great appointments being done - greatly in favour of all these great appointments being done without| greatly in favour of all these great - appointments being done without any political— appointments being done without any political involvement _ appointments being done without any political involvement at _ appointments being done without any political involvement at all, _ political involvement at all, they've got _ political involvement at all, they've got to _ political involvement at all, they've got to be _ political involvement at all, | they've got to be absolutely above any criticism _ they've got to be absolutely above any criticism-— they've got to be absolutely above an criticism. ., ,, . ., any criticism. thank you so much for now, fascinating _ any criticism. thank you so much for now, fascinating insights _ any criticism. thank you so much for now, fascinating insights from - any criticism. thank you so much for now, fascinating insights from the i now, fascinating insights from the panel and we will rejoin you later. we are going to talk about something mip and watching carefully for a long time. take a look at this! those are images from iran last september, women celebrating burning their head scarves and dancing in the street. that is breaking the rules, the regulations that have governed the lives of everyone in the country since a revolution in 1979 put a hard line islamist government in charge. since then, women have had to wear a headscarf, can't leave the country without their husbands permission, not even allowed to go to the football. but dissent burst into the open, when in the autumn a 22—year—old woman, mahsa amini, died after being arrested by the morality police in iran. women and men all over the country took to the streets. it was the most serious challenge to the authorities in a very very long time, but the government's answer was a brutal crack down. yet many ordinary men and women are determined to keep fighting for a better way of life. one of those people is hollywood star nazanin boniadi. herfamily fled iran when she was a tiny baby, but farfrom being content with starring in the rings of power, homeland or how i met your mother on screen, she spends her time campaigning to try to bring more freedoms to iran. we are now more than six months on from the beginning of the start of these protests, what can you tell us about daily life for women in iran right now? ! about daily life for women in iran right now?— right now? i 'ust spoke to a prominent _ right now? ijust spoke to a prominent dissident - right now? ijust spoke to a - prominent dissident yesterday, female dissident in iran and as you know girls are still experiencing gas attacks in schools, just yesterday in tehran, so it is continuing, and this is really in orderfor the islamic continuing, and this is really in order for the islamic republic to hold these enetrenched systems of pow that have session rated and oppressed women for 1111 year to deny them the right to health, education and the right to dissent. ! them the right to health, education and the right to dissent.— and the right to dissent. i think we can see some _ and the right to dissent. i think we can see some image _ and the right to dissent. i think we can see some image hearse - and the right to dissent. i think we can see some image hearse of - and the right to dissent. i think we i can see some image hearse of some and the right to dissent. i think we - can see some image hearse of some of this going on in the streets, it seems so shocking that, as we can seems so shocking that, as we can see girls are being gassed in the streets, in the country in which they live. it is so disturbing, i suppose after everything you have been through and everything you have been through and everything you have been following about what has been happening in iran, do you feel this is getting worse? it is becoming more dangerous? first is getting worse? it is becoming more dangerous?— is getting worse? it is becoming more dangerous? first of all i want to acknowledge _ more dangerous? first of all i want to acknowledge that _ more dangerous? first of all i want to acknowledge that the _ more dangerous? first of all i want to acknowledge that the girls, - more dangerous? first of all i wantj to acknowledge that the girls, their courage and the women of iran, their courage and the women of iran, their courage has been contagious, they were the spark and the engine of the past seven month, the up rising and revolution, they have galvanised iranian society to understand the gender inequality and every basic human rightand gender inequality and every basic human right and it has become a prodemocracy revolution, but we are failing the people, we really need to stand unequivocally by them in a similar way we to stand unequivocally by them in a similarway we did to stand unequivocally by them in a similar way we did in a unified and immediate way against putin in ukraine, we haven't done that, but, for the people of iran against the islamic republic.— for the people of iran against the islamic republic. when you speak to western leaders, _ islamic republic. when you speak to western leaders, what _ islamic republic. when you speak to western leaders, what do _ islamic republic. when you speak to western leaders, what do they - western leaders, what do they tell you? you have been at the un, round the world campaign on this, when you asked the rain ran government they say iran's an islamic country, these are our values, so what do you hear from western leaders when they have given that answer, what do western leaders say to you no the given that answer, what do western leaders say to you no— leaders say to you no the islamic re-ubfic leaders say to you no the islamic republic has _ leaders say to you no the islamic republic has been _ leaders say to you no the islamic republic has been good - leaders say to you no the islamic republic has been good at - leaders say to you no the islamic| republic has been good at selling this point, these are cultural difference, the people of iran are risking their lives to debunk this idea they have been fed, that the world has been fed, the western world has been fed, the western world should understand that iranian people are risking their lives to stand up for that are rights against this oppression, no cultural norm requires sort of, to be up held by force, you know, by batons and threat of imprisonment. people watchinu threat of imprisonment. people watching might _ threat of imprisonment. people watching might think _ threat of imprisonment. people watching might think things - threat of imprisonment. people | watching might think things have always been like this in iran but we can see pictures of your family when they lived in iran, and the normal freedoms, liberal you, you can see thatis freedoms, liberal you, you can see that is your parents wedding, beautiful photograph, what goes through your mind when you look at that through your mind when you look at than ~ ., through your mind when you look at than . ., ., through your mind when you look at tha i ~ ., ., , ., , through your mind when you look at than . ., ., , .,, ., through your mind when you look at than . . , ., ~' ., through your mind when you look at thai . . , .,~' ., , that what i want people to know is that what i want people to know is that pro-1979 _ that what i want people to know is that pre-1979 the _ that what i want people to know is that pre-1979 the islamic - that pre—i979 the islamic revolution, there was a peaceful co—existence of women who wore the hijab and those who didn't. we had the right to choose, and what happen the right to choose, and what happen the islamic revolution did it setback women's rights and human rights back decades but particularly for women and girls, because that is really a pillar of the islamic republic, that segregation, oppression of women, so the legal age of marriage for example for women was reduced from 818 before 79 top nine after the revolution, yes, that was late erased to 13 but girls as young as nine can still mary the permission of their father or a judge. permission of their father or a we ., , permission of their father or a we . , ., judge. finally i wonder, there has been a lot of— judge. finally i wonder, there has been a lot of discussion _ judge. finally i wonder, there has been a lot of discussion about - judge. finally i wonder, there has been a lot of discussion about the dangers for people who speak out not just inside iran but outside the country, do you feel safe speaking up country, do you feel safe speaking up as you do? country, do you feel safe speaking up as you do?— up as you do? there is a risk for everybody _ up as you do? there is a risk for everybody but — up as you do? there is a risk for everybody but i _ up as you do? there is a risk for everybody but i want _ up as you do? there is a risk for everybody but i want to tell - up as you do? there is a risk for. everybody but i want to tell people that the main risk is being taken by the people of iran, and so i will continue my fight, and i want to urge people to support the legal definition of gender apartheid and international law, we are trying to get it defined in international law and i want international law makers to prescribe the irgc as a terrorist organisation, this is very important, because of their activities not only in the region against the iranian people but because of right here in the uk, people's lives, british people's lives are in danger, by the irgc. 0k, lives are in danger, by the irgc. ok, thank you so much for coming in and telling us about your work. it has been great to have you here. thank you, nazanin, and if you want to know more about what's happening in iran and the work the bbc�*s been doing to uncover some of the stories we've just discussed — despite being banned there. i recommend you take a look at reporting iran: inside bbc persian on iplayer now, where you can see some of the important work from our iranian colleagues here at the bbc. in recent weeks we have heard from labour and conservative politicans and from the leader of the liberal democrats, sir ed davey. that's all because this thursday local elections are taking place in england, with some in northern ireland to follow. remember, for the first time, you must take photo id with you or you won't be able to vote! adrian ramsay, the co—leader of the green party is here this morning. welcome to the studio. you have talked in this campaign as the or parties about housing and you would like to put an immediate freeze on rents, but when you look at what happened in scotland when they did that, average wents —— rents went up by 10%, so it was counter productive. you are right. that housing is the main issue being raised with me by people round the country, people are literally being priced out of being able to afford to live in their own community, whether that is because the new moments are too expensive for people to afford, or indeed for existing rental home, yes, prices are sky rocketing, at a time of the cost of living crisis and i want to see policies put in place that would enable councils to put a cap on rent increases and in the meantime, yes, we need to have a freeze on rents, thatis we need to have a freeze on rents, that is something we called for during the winter where people were struggling. if you look at the evidence where that has been done in the uk, in scotland, the average rent actually went up, it went up more than anywhere else in the country, so isn't it counter productive. country, so isn't it counter productive-— productive. the policy is a recent one and they _ productive. the policy is a recent one and they have _ productive. the policy is a recent one and they have moved - productive. the policy is a recent one and they have moved on - productive. the policy is a recent| one and they have moved on from productive. the policy is a recent - one and they have moved on from the rent freeze to say there needs to be a cap on rents of no more than a 3% increase each year, that is part of the green party being in government in scotland, one of a wide range of achievements i am deemly proud of, thatis achievements i am deemly proud of, that is about protecting people at during a cost of living crisis... but rent went up when they froze it, why it's a good idea? it but rent went up when they froze it, why it's a good idea?— why it's a good idea? it has happened _ why it's a good idea? it has happened in _ why it's a good idea? it has happened in a _ why it's a good idea? it has happened in a number- why it's a good idea? it has happened in a number of. why it's a good idea? it has - happened in a number of other country, including spain where it is an an effective policy, that was about freezing rent, it is about putting a cap year on year on the increase in rent landlords can charge, people who live in private rented properties pay the highest percentage of their income on housing and we need to address that at a time of a cost of living crisis, as well as addressing the other issues if we look at the root causes of the energy crisis we have the leakiest inefficient homes in europe here in the uk, heating goes out of the door out the window, if we went for a nationwide programme to insulate people's home, that could keep their bills down, keep the homes warm and create jobs across the country but what the government is doing its insulation policy would take 300 years to tackle fuel poverty, under its own dev narcs it is very slow and we need to speed up if we are to tackle the cost of living crisis and the climate emergency— the cost of living crisis and the climate emergency when it talks about making — climate emergency when it talks about making the _ climate emergency when it talks about making the case _ climate emergency when it talks about making the case for - climate emergency when it talks about making the case for being| climate emergency when it talks - about making the case for being more environmentally—friendly and taking bold environmentally—friendly and taking hold steps on green energy, you have bold steps on green energy, you have called for that for a very long time but we have taken a look and found that very often when it comes to solar farm, that very often when it comes to solarfarm, the that very often when it comes to solar farm, the green that very often when it comes to solarfarm, the green party that very often when it comes to solar farm, the green party have locally ta ken solar farm, the green party have locally taken a position against them, so that is a double standard, nationally you are saying we must have this green energy but locally, don't like the look of it in my community don't like the look of it in my communi_ don't like the look of it in my communi j ., ., , ., community you would struggle to find many examples _ community you would struggle to find many examples of _ community you would struggle to find many examples of that. _ community you would struggle to find many examples of that. the - many examples of that. the green party... t many examples of that. the green pa ., many examples of that. the green pa . ., party... i have three of them, rut lend, party... i have three of them, rut lend. haste. _ party... i have three of them, rut lend, haste, green _ party... i have three of them, rut lend, haste, green councillors i lend, haste, green councillors saying we don't fancy it me lend, haste, green councillors saying we don't fancy it we want to see more types _ saying we don't fancy it we want to see more types of— saying we don't fancy it we want to see more types of renewable - saying we don't fancy it we want to i see more types of renewable energy, in any one example of a local proposal you need to look at the full impact, is it adding to biodiversity in the area, part of the mix of the rake of renewables and greens are working active there on things like community owned renewable energy where the community benefits from the financial return, as well as the environmental return backin as well as the environmental return back in to their community and then you get strong community support for these, initiatives, but it is not just about what is happening at a libelling level, the government has to step up the amount of renewable energy we are producing of all time, whether it is offshore, far more tidal power and measures to reduce energy use through things like insulating homes that will address the energy crisis because of course, renewable energy is the cheapest form of producing energy, so why is the government focussing on new oil and gas licenses which will wreck the climate, and push people's bills up? the climate, and push people's bills u - ? , ., the climate, and push people's bills u . ? , ., , ., , , the climate, and push people's bills u? , ., , ., the climate, and push people's bills up? they would say they are taking bi strides up? they would say they are taking big strides towards _ up? they would say they are taking big strides towards net _ up? they would say they are taking big strides towards net steer - up? they would say they are taking big strides towards net steer owe, | big strides towards net steer owe, wow would say it is not enough. a couple of quick final question, what is a decent result look like for the greens on thursday? 1oo is a decent result look like for the greens on thursday? 100 seats someone said, what do you think? tog someone said, what do you think? 100 cains someone said, what do you think? 1131131 gains would someone said, what do you think? 122 gains would be a very good result, it may be more than that, we are getting very strong response from people on doorsteps across the country, people really fed up with this government, not inspired by labour, looking to vote green in increasing numbers and across the last three sets of local election we have had record gains we expect to build on. ltrufiii have had record gains we expect to build on. ~ i. ., ., ., build on. will you give homage to the kina build on. will you give homage to the king on _ build on. will you give homage to the king on saturday? _ build on. will you give homage to the king on saturday? well, - build on. will you give homage to the king on saturday? well, i- the king on saturday? well, i think when it comes _ the king on saturday? well, i think when it comes to _ the king on saturday? well, i think when it comes to the _ the king on saturday? well, i think when it comes to the end - the king on saturday? well, i think when it comes to the end of - the king on saturday? well, i think when it comes to the end of the i when it comes to the end of the local elections i will be enjoying time with my family and celebrating green result, i will watch it because it's a key time for the nation but i think the idea of a pledge is possibly somewhat outdated. 50 pledge is possibly somewhat outdated. ., �* , pledge is possibly somewhat outdated. , . ., outdated. so you won't be chanting alonu. outdated. so you won't be chanting along- thank _ outdated. so you won't be chanting along. thank you _ outdated. so you won't be chanting along. thank you adrian, _ outdated. so you won't be chanting along. thank you adrian, it - outdated. so you won't be chanting along. thank you adrian, it is - outdated. so you won't be chanting along. thank you adrian, it is great to have you from the green party. usually. usually at this time we have a little refresher of what we heard earlier in the programme — but instead this morning, something a little bit different, because the council elections arent the only big, important, glitzy event that's on the way. the world's biggest song contest is coming to the uk. are you ready? not you, mae muller! yous lot! usually at this time we have a little refresher aren't you forgetting something? outfits. cheers, kidda. bring out the glam, the fierce, the buffet...? nigella! don't worry. i've got it all under control. we need flags. loads of flags. let them hear us in key. singing. you ready, luv? i was born ready. it's eurovision. # waterloo... i've got all the tunes. it's in liverpool. is it? i didn't know. sorry. yous been living under a rock? course it is. now, come on. the eurovision song contest — live across the bbc. what are your plans matt? vow got the snacks in? 1 what are your plans matt? vow got the snacks in?— the snacks in? i am looking forward to it. it would _ the snacks in? i am looking forward to it. it would be _ the snacks in? i am looking forward to it. it would be better— the snacks in? i am looking forward to it. it would be better than - the snacks in? i am looking forward to it. it would be better than some| to it. it would be better than some ofthe to it. it would be better than some of the current _ to it. it would be better than some of the current entries? _ to it. it would be better than some of the current entries? what about you, are you a fan?— you, are you a fan? sandie shaw .u . et you, are you a fan? sandie shaw puppet puppet — you, are you a fan? sandie shaw puppet puppet on _ you, are you a fan? sandie shaw puppet puppet on a _ you, are you a fan? sandie shaw puppet puppet on a string - you, are you a fan? sandie shaw puppet puppet on a string that l you, are you a fan? sandie shaw| puppet puppet on a string that is my era, but i love my kids love it, they will be dancing along and dressing up and doing the stuff. amazing, there is nothing wrong with the classics, nicholas you looked bemused while we were playing that trailer. 1 bemused while we were playing that trailer. ., �* bemused while we were playing that trailer. . �* , , ., trailer. i hadn't seen it before. but, i trailer. i hadn't seen it before. but. i think— trailer. i hadn't seen it before. but, | think it _ trailer. i hadn't seen it before. but, | think it is _ trailer. i hadn't seen it before. but, i think it is wonderful- trailer. i hadn't seen it before. | but, i think it is wonderful what trailer. i hadn't seen it before. i but, i think it is wonderful what it has done for liverpool. and i think it couldn't go to a better place, and i think in, to support ukraine, and i think in, to support ukraine, and to have it in liverpool, are two wonderful. things and i hope and believe that the whole country will get behind this as well, and make it a great evening. tiara get behind this as well, and make it a great evening-— get behind this as well, and make it a great evening. two very big events cominu for a great evening. two very big events coming for our _ a great evening. two very big events coming for our country _ a great evening. two very big events coming for our country as _ a great evening. two very big events coming for our country as well- a great evening. two very big events coming for our country as well as - coming for our country as well as the local elections which for political nerds like me are just as exciting. thank you for being with us, quite enough of eurovision chat, back to the business in hand. back to our business in hand — on thursday, millions of you can have your say on what's going on in your village, town or city, and give a verdict on the state of our political parties — it's a massive test. this morning, we've heard a bit about how the big parties are trying to massage their and your expectations — local elections are of course shaped by local facotors — back to our business in hand — on thursday, millions of you can have your say on what's going on in your village, town or city, and give a verdict on the state of our political parties — it's a massive test. this morning, we've heard a bit about how the big parties are trying to massage their and your expectations — local elections are of course shaped by local facotors — but the parties will pore over every result to decipher what it means for the big picture for all of us — how solid is labour's advantage in the national polls when you all have stubby pencils in your hands in real life, in the privacy of the polling booth? and to what extent has rishi sunak been able to stop the rot? armed with the results, we'll be able to sketcch the answers to those two massive questions next sunday. armed with the results, we'll be able to sketcch the answers to those two massive questions next sunday. i'll be here on bbc one on thursday to take you through the night as it all unfolds. in the meantime, you can catch up of course on iplayer — but, goodbye till then. live from london. this is bbc news. sudan's army launches a major attack on khartoum — as it attempts to retake areas held by the rival rsf militia. the uk transport secretary says rail strikes on eurovision day are appalling because they show a lack of support for ukraine. pope francis celebrates mass on the third and final day of his visit in hungary with thousands of worshippers gathered on the streets of budapest. and with a just a week to go until the coronation — the british public will be asked to swear allegiance to king charles.