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so keen to have my privacy. i feel a sense of duty to expose them, as they've exposed us. prince harry and sir eltonjohn have launched legal action against the publishers of the daily mail _ action is being taken- against the sun newspaper. legal action against the mirror group over allegations of phone hacking. who did you hack? it would be quicker to say- who i didn't hack, wouldn't it? it'd be easier. celebrities, politicians... i was living in this sort of super highway of illicit information. it was exciting. you felt like a spy. as the years have gone by, - the story has grown and grown. it's 100 times worse - than the press admitted to. these are frankly eyewatering claims. bugging cars, listening to and recording live phone calls, paying police officials for sensitive information. i don't know to this day how many people have heard my deepest secrets, my desires. that phone hacking was not practised by the mail on sunday— or the daily mail. i didn't feel like i was working in some sort of underground illegal newsgathering operation. i was working at the sun. what you saw was what you got. you have just about anybody who's ever appeared in a tabloid newspaper saying, "give me large wadges of cash, please." i think it's actually a legal scandal. it's not the money i'm after. it's to expose their guilt. it's justice. it's quite unbelievable that - individuals could go to such lengths at a time when a family are so grief—stricken. . where is the morals around this? how can they sleep at night? happy christmas, everybody! happy christmas! let's zoom in on clare! laughter clare was working _ at harvey nichols and she worked on a beauty counter there. she got to know michael pech, a slovakian security guard thati worked in harvey nichols. they dated for a period of three weeks. - she decided to end the relationship. on the 13th of september, he crept up behind my- daughter, he raised a gun — witnesses saw it. _ he raised a gun. he shot her at the back- of the head and as she fell, he shot her in the face. and then, he turned the gun on himself. | it was just before closing time last night when, in front of shoppers and staff, a man shot dead a woman serving on one of the ground floor cosmetics counters. it's believed the 22—year—old victim had been stalked by her killer after ending a relationship with him. it was five years after clare's murder, i got a phone call. from the metropolitan police. within hours of her murder, i clare's phone had been hacked and my phone had been hacked by the news of the world. - now, it would appear- that there were other papers. well, tricia, thank you for coming in to see my colleague, dan, and i. what we found is an article in the sun on the 15th of september, very shortly after the tragic murder of your daughter, that looks suspicious. it may not be easy for you to hear now and i'm sorry about that, but it says, "psycho on bail. "bloodbath at harvey nichols." and it quotes an unnamed friend of clare's. and that's a sign to us that that may have been material taken from phones, or to cover up the fact that information was taken from phones because it's unlikely, as i understand it, that the people who you knew who were clare's friends were talking randomly to the sun newspaper, within two days. we did think, how can these individuals, whoever- those individuals were, cos we didn't know, - could talk to the press? i remember those feelings very, very well. _ what it says here is pech bombarded her with phone calls and threatening text messages. we would infer that the sun was aware that phone calls had been made. either that was from itemised phone records that they'd obtained, or through voice mail interception. it was very similar to what happened at the news of the world, we say. and that's going to be the basis of your claim against the sun. hopefully, you'll get to the bottom of what happened here. thank you. thinking that clare was abused after her death, that's - the bit that really, - really makes me angry. nothing was private. who knows? i have no idea and it's the not. knowing what they listened to, what they heard, and that will haunt me. _ phone hacking is hugely embarrassing to these very big newspaper groups. what we now call the phone hacking scandal includes all sorts of other alleged unlawful activities by the papers. we're talking about dozens of reporters and thousands and thousands of people who were targeted in this way, of which a fraction have actually come forward and brought claims, and we've been helping them bring those claims. i started life as a doctor, as a junior hospital doctor, and then, in public health, and then, i was elected to parliament in oxford and until about five years ago, i was the executive director of the hacked off campaign, which campaigned on behalf of victims, so i started to meet the people who had been the victims of the abuse and criminality by newspapers. we believe that the scale of this activity, as you can see by the amount of information we've gathered, which is now too big for this office... the scale of this is enormous. a lot of evidence to back up the claimant's allegation has been referred to in publicly available court documents. our earliest cases involved the mirror group. tabloid newspapers are very competitive beasts. - the late '905 into the 20005, in fleet street, there - tabloid newspapers are very competitive beasts. - the late '905 into the 20005, in fleet street, there - were two big groups. there was news international, which was the sun, _ the news of the world. and there was their direct rival, which was the mirror group, - the daily mirror, the sunday mirror and the sunday people. _ i edited the people. there was tremendous - competition, head to head, between the sun, on the one hand, that was the biggest seller, - and the daily mirror, - which was trying desperately to overtake and beat their rival. what sold newspapers was celebrity. and the more salacious that story was, the better it sold. _ if someone ever said to me, "what would you change in your life?", i would absolutely have never ever ever become a public figure. ever. success is great, but privacy is priceless. i lost my leg in 1993, crushed my pelvis, punctured my lung. suddenly, it was all over the media. "model overcomes adversity". i'd only been a model for, like, five minutes. and then, i had nonstop good press from �*93 to �*99. and then, it was as soon as i got in a relationship with my ex—husband, the hell started. all right, everyone? photographers shout archive: as promised, paul and heather are here together today to just a little bit of press interest. the details are we're engaged. that's it. i was obviously naive. it was as if, "oh, it's ok for you to overcome adversity, "but there's no way you're going to marry an icon." they were just churning stories out that would feed into the public�*s gossipy nature. do you remember the first time that a personal piece of information was in the press, that you thought, "i don't know how they got that"? it was like 2001. me and my then partner got into an argument, so i left and i went to my girlfriends and stayed there and switched the phone off. and woke up in the morning and found out that all my voice mail messages had been listened to. and i thought, "that's weird. "why would it not be unheard messages?" didn't think anything more of it, got in the car, drove around. then i got a call from neil wallis, from the people. he said, "we've got this story that you have had an argument," and i was like, "what?!" he said, "well, yeah. we got told by a guy in a restaurant," and i said, "well, no, i was at my friend's last night "and i thought it was funny that my messages had been "listened to, so you've hacked me." and he said... and that was something we hadn't even thought of, or knew of, in those days. and he said, "no, no, no." and i said, "if you run that story, "then i'm coming after you legally." i'd known and worked very well with heather for years. - i remember it was the most bizarre conversation. - and i had not a clue - what she was talking about. so, i spoke to...i think the news editor who brought it to me, - who'd been sold it by a freelance. no mention there, too, j of how he'd obtained it. i guess the question is that — did you hack heather mills'... no. ..phone? no. absolutely did not hack heather mills' phone. i had no idea that anybody had hacked her phone. i and did you commission anyone to do that? absolutely not. he then contacted me and said, "i'm not running that article, just to let you know." and that's when i went, ok. i'm being followed or hacked or something and that's when i started to become paranoid and i actually went to government back then and theyjust poo— pooed me and said, "she's completely nuts. "don't be so ridiculous." conventionally, a good reporter is energetic and persistent and intelligent to persuade strangers to cooperate, but that's skilful and difficult and time consuming. and so, voice mail hacking is a brilliant short cut. why bother turning up on the doorstep and trying to persuade the famous actress to tell you her secrets when you can get straight into her voice mail in two minutes and you've got the story? good afternoon. police are continuing - to question a seniorjournalist from the news of the world over claims that aides to _ the royal family had their mobile phones hacked into. _ the paper's royal editor is one of two men being held today. i phone hacking first came to the public�*s attention in 2006 when a news of the world journalist and a private investigator, glenn mulcaire, were arrested for listening to the voicemails of members of the royal household. years later, the guardian revealed that hundreds of other people had been hacked. we published a whole series of stories over a two—year period, which then came to a head injuly 2011, when we ran this story about how the news of the world had hacked into the voice mail of the missing schoolgirl, milly dowler. that finally pushed the whole thing over the edge. rupert murdoch, who runs britain's biggest media company, appeared before mps to answer questions about the phone hacking scandal. i would just like to say one sentence. | this is the most - humble day of my life. thank you. the resulting scandal caused the news of the world to close down. i feel so appalled - by what has happened. murder victims, terrorist victims, who've had their phones hacked, | is quite disgraceful. so, the government reacted by setting up the leveson inquiry. there were the most powerful people in the uk, told to sit in front of a microphone, while the world watched online, and talk about what really goes on in their newsrooms. newspaper executives denied any knowledge of illegal activity. we have only seen unsubstantiated allegations and i have seen no evidence to show me that phone hacking has ever taken place at trinity mirror. did you see this sort of thing going on, mr morgan? - no. are you sure about that? 100%. at the end of the day, nothing really changed. i think from the point of view of the public perception, the phone hacking saga all ended at some unspecified point after the leveson inquiry. in reality, it wasn't over because lawyers on behalf of all sorts of victims were suing through the courts and uncovering all sorts of new evidence. across the next three years, mirror group repeatedly refused to make any admission of guilt over hacking. tonight, trinity mirror have repeated the statement it has made many times over the last year, that its journalists worked within the law and within the press complaints code of conduct. all that changed, partly due to one journalist. he was arrested for hacking at the news of the world, but told police that he had been taught to hack whilst working at the sunday mirror. despite all the documentary evidence we have, the single most important thing are witnesses and whistle—blowers in particular. by whistle—blowers, i mean journalists who are willing to come forward to give evidence that they hacked phones and it's very rare for that to happen. that's why dan evans is so important because he has come forward and admitted to doing this kind of stuff and doing it regularly. it's incredibly important evidence for the claimants. at the height of it, - i was hacking 100, 150 people a day, maybe. people like kate moss, - daniel craig, david blunkett, who was the home secretary. at the time, lots of celebrities, sports people, sometimes their nearest and dearest, j sometimes their mistresses. you know, it was a very powerful feeling. - it was... it gave you a visceral thrill at times to know stuff- which nobody else did. here we go. i specifically remember being told to look into an actress _ called shobna gulati. in the early 2000s, i'd just embarked on my television career. i had done dinnerladies and i got a job on the biggest soap opera in the world, coronation street. you listen to me. you're going to regret the day that you ever mess with me and my family! now, you are, in real life, shobna, a single mum. i have my mum and my brother and my sister—in—law who really, really support me very much throughout this venture of mine. i was a really shy girl. istillam. what i was doing was doing myjob, providing for my son. have you not got any bacon? have i not got any, or have i got any? i'd never thought of it as like, "i'm going to be famous." you know, baby, i love you. i'm only in this mess because of your "love". there were stories that were in the press about me when i was on coronation street. mostly to do with my love life, because sunita has a terrible love life. but then, there was a lot more to do with me personally than sunita. i couldn't figure out how the paparazzi knew where i was going in manchester. or they couldn't just happen to be there. i could never work that out. how did they know that i'd be at the station to pick up my boyfriend, who was coming in from london? i heard him leaving a message for her on her voice mail. - "are you going to meet me at the train station?" - bingo. put photographers on it, with some long lenses, i at both ends of the train journey and you've got photos _ and bob's your uncle, . it's a page in the paper. she was targeted specifically because of her ethnicity- and because of her gender, - because she was regarded as being, you know, somebody who would appeal to both male and female readers, - who ticked an important box, in terms of the demographicl reach of the paper. and i was the tool that was used to steal her secrets, _ put them on the front page of the paper _ they'd chase down any boyfriend i was seeing at the time and, you know, i'm in my 30s, so i'm out there, trying to find the one, like every other woman in her 30s. we became fodder. whoever i was seeing became press fodder. we'd have rows about my partners being doorstepped. you know, i just... it would create all these questions in your head. and then, you would to and fro with that boyfriend, thinking it was something to do with them and obviously, you know, it would create a problem. so, when people read these stories in the newspapers, they would see the article and they would see "a friend said" or "a pal said" and the information was attributed to that unnamed person and they assumed, understandably, that it was a member of their family, or a close friend, who was selling that information to the newspaper. and it destroyed relationships, you know, lifelong friendships were blown apart and families were destroyed because of this. it was incredibly corrosive and damaging for these people and all the time, they didn't know that it was newspaper journalists, or private investigators, hacking their phone and obtaining that information. so, the damage it caused was immeasurable. i was just trying to figure out my way in life, to find a partner, maybe have some more children. you know... that hasn't happened. that hasn't happened because i've missed those years. i've missed those years because it was all very tumultuous. filled with paranoia and anxiety and mistrust and you can't form relationships like that. and it has destroyed... it has destroyed a whole sort of two decades of my life, where i could possibly have found something, but i never have. i didn't invent this. and it certainly wasn't i the paper's first rodeo, when it came to phone hacking, when they instructed _ me in how to do it. my head of me is sat there and said, "i'm going to use this one person- to demonstrate on "because he never picks up his phone _ "it's guaranteed to go - through to his voice mail." i'm like, "ok, shoot. "who is it? " he said, "well, it's a guy called alan yentob." - i'm like, "i've never heard of alan yentob before." . he was a bigwig at the bbc. and the head of news kind of... ba—ba—ba—ba—ba. gets himself into alan's system - and starts playing various messages for me and then showing me how to shuffle through them, - how to make sure i didn't delete any by accident. . there was no alert to... to the target person. while at the mirror, dan evans hacked hundreds of victims. they had to live with the consequences for years. his confession only came to the public�*s attention when he was charged for phone hacking. i had no way to regain the ability to look my children in the eye, l unless i did the unthinkable, which was to breach - the omerta of fleet street. speak the truth. i got a message from a lawyer and he said, "alan, the metropolitan police want to talk to you because they believe you've been hacked. " and i said, "hacked? what, me? hacked?" and they informed me that somebody had confessed, i think it was dan evans, that they had been hacking my phone and over a very long period of time. a group of eight people who suspected that they were victims took the fight to the civil court. based on dan evans' testimony and other evidence that emerged, the judge in the case declared that there was widespread phone hacking at mirror group newspapers. this company is now going to face a huge bill because there are potentially hundreds of other claims to follow these eight. there are so many people whose phones have been hacked. what i did with the mirror group is only the tip of the iceberg. hello there. summer holiday season in full swing. but the weather is certainly not playing ball at the moment. take a look at denbighshire a few hours ago, some of the showers really quite torrential. and they have been quite widespread as well across the country. we are now mid—way throuthuly. and you are right in thinking it's been a wet month. in fact, all of us have seen above—average rainfall, and there is little to indicate that we are going to see any significant change, certainly through this week. take a look at this. this is rainfall accumulation for the next few days, the darker blues denoting where we are going to see the heaviest of the rain. at least another 50 millimetres to come for many of us over the next few days, adding to the totals we've already seen this month. low pressure is with us, then, to the north—west and circling like a catherine wheel are these weather fronts that have been driving in plenty of showers, driven along by some blustery south—west winds. so some of the showers, you can see, have merged together in bands, organised lanes, so showers or longer spells of rain throughout the day. some of those showers will fade through the evening and overnight, but there's still the risk of the odd rumble of thunder in those showers and more widespread rainfall, perhaps, across the north—west of scotland. overnight lows between 12 and iii degrees. into sunday, the low pressure finally pulls away off to scandinavia. the winds will start to ease a touch and a north—westerly direction will be more of a feature in scotland. that's going to continue to feed in rain across north and west—facing coasts. elsewhere, still the risk of some showers, but hopefully lighter and not quite as widespread as the last couple of days. the winds will be a feature, but not as strong either. so gusts of winds generally at around 35, maybe just lto miles an hour, but certainly easing down as the day continues. top temperatures for sunday afternoon still a little bit subdued for this time of year — for this time of year — 17 to 21 celsius the high. 17 to 21 celsius the high. looking further ahead, looking further ahead, as we go into monday, a little ridge of high pressure quietens things down for a time before more wet weather set to arrive on tuesday, as we go into monday, pushing in from the west. so if you start off dry, it is not going to last. and the outlook continues with sunny and the outlook continues with sunny spells and scattered showers spells and scattered showers and those temperatures a little bit and those temperatures a little bit below par for this time of year. below par for this time of year. live from london. this is bbc news. dozens of cities in southern europe remain on red alert as temperatures continue to soar across the continent. rescue workers in south korea try to reach drivers trapped inside their cars submerged in an underground tunnel, as deadly floods sweep the country. ben wallace announces he's stepping down as the uk's defence secretary at the next cabinet reshuffle after four years in thejob. we start with brutally high temperatures across much of the northern hemisphere. a number of southern european countries are in the grip of a heatwave. red alerts, which indicate risks even for healthy people,

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