you're asking a question that everybody has asked since boris johnson emerged. and bear in mind, i was at university with him. "can boris change?" there's a simple answer. no, and he's not going to, is he? i mean, people can't, by the time they reach his age, my age, you know, basically, people have founded their ideas and the way they work. what, and i agree, you can't expect change, but what i think you could expect, and this is going to be one of the issues, you know, can people be self—aware about their weaknesses? understand what they're naturally good at and where they need help, and get people to do the things that they don't necessarily feel they're good at themselves? and that's what we we didn't quite see. that's the test then for borisjohnson�*s leadership. but isn't there a much more fundamental test, which we'll talk about much more as we go on with this interview? you quit his government, and you quit his government because of what you described as the "direction of travel."