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Nothing to do with the folk singer going electric. He sold his entire catalogue of songs for hundreds of millions of dollars. Well start with brexit the british Prime Minister and the European Commission president have been speaking this afternoon in an attempt to break the deadlock on the post brexit trade talks. Were hearing that call has now ended. The two sides have issued a joint statement, saying, we agree that the conditions for finalising agreement are not there due to significant differences on three issues. Governance, and fisheries being the second and third. They said we asked our teams to prepare an overview of the remaining differences to be discussed in a physical meeting in brussels in the coming days. No specific date there. Borisjohnson is coming days. No specific date there. Boris johnson is now coming days. No specific date there. Borisjohnson is now expected to go to brussels and tried to break the deadlock himself. Katya adler, our bbc europe editor, joins us live in brussels. You had a few minutes to digest that statement and speak to some of your contacts, im sure. Whats your agreement to make a reading of where weve got to . Weve had the same big Sticking Points on the table between the two sides for months now. And many trade negotiators were saying, what is the point of the European Commission president and the Prime Minister sending those negotiators back into the room together over and over again like theyjust did these past two days here in brussels, when theres so well rehearsed in each others arguments by now . What really needs to break this deadlock is the political will on both sides, and arguably that needs to come from the bosses, it needs to come from the bosses, it needs to come from the Prime Minister and the 27 Member States who are represented in these negotiations, and by that European Commission. And for both sides to be willing to make those very difficult political compromises that would be needed to make a deal. Is this the moment then if borisjohnson comes to brussels . Is that the moment where we can go from all these no deal predictions to actually a deal appearing . We dont know yet. Youre talking about this message needing to come from the bosses. On the uk site, thats a similar equation the Prime Minister or the European Unions side, who would you label as the big bosses . The European Commission president will sit with borisjohnson, Commission President will sit with Boris Johnson, because Commission President will sit with borisjohnson, because the eu Member States to ask the European Commission with negotiating on their behalf exactly for this reason. Because otherwise you would have 27 different voices. Who could represent all the Member States . To be france was back no, there too divisive. Germany . Again, divisive depending on which state you ask. So they had to choose a neutral negotiator, if you like, and thats when they test the European Commission to negotiate with the uk on their behalf. So this will be between ursula von der leyen and borisjohnson. Now of course, ursula von der leyen does not have a free hand in these talks because, as i say, the European Commission is sort of the conduit of the Member States. So far, and you know this because you want europe, as well, we are used to the eu being ever so fractious over migration, over the single currency, so many issues. But when it comes to brexiteers, theyve held an incredible unity that you really dont see normally amongst those Member States. They are fighting at the moment about the multi annual budget and so on, and they have a summit at the end of this week. But now we are getting at five to midnight on these negotiations, that unity is beginning to fray. Emmanuel macron is standing out at the front sounding like the brexit bad cop. But there are others who stand right behind him, especially on fishing rights with other eu coastal states, like denmark or spain. Germany is seen by some as too keen to make this deal, and willing to make too many concessions. But this could also be arguing amongst brothers and sisters. There are no serious splits to speak of amongst eu countries, but it is fraying at the edges right now. Thank you very much indeed. Let me play a few more clips before coming back to you. Negotiations for both sides went through the weekend into this morning. The eu may be looking at a deadline on these talks, this was a tweet from our tes talks, this was a tweet from our tes Tony Connolly. I imagine katia adler will have something to say about that, because so many deadlines have come and gone in this process. On the uk side, Boris Johnson, having initially saying he wa nted johnson, having initially saying he wanted a deal done by obviously that position has changed. Theyve released a statement saying. And heres the uk government minister Penny Mordaunt in parliament. We are all working to get a deal. But the only deal that is possible is one that is compatible with our sovereignty and takes back control of our laws, trade, and waters. While an agreement is preferable, we are prepared to leave on so called australian style terms if we cant find compromises. Now you heard the words australia style terms there. Australia and the eu dont have a trade deal instead they apply tariffs to each others goods under rules set by the world trade organization. If the uk did the same thatd mean tariffs and border checks between the uk and the eu. And government ministers have acknowledged that could lead to price rises. In value, trade between the uk and the eu is worth six times that of australia eu trade. The impact on the uk will be greater. And whether that happens or not the fact that we dont know whats going to be happen in less than a month is creating uncertainty for uk businesses as youll hear in this clip. Well, of course, businesses expected that in negotiation, we were likely to see a moment like this. For us, however, it is coming very late in the game. Businesses across the uk do want to see a deal happen, they do want to see the two sides keep talking. But they are running out of time to implement whatever may be agreed or not agreed in brussels. And so we all wait. We know both sides would prefer a deal, but not at any cost. Heres anand menon from uk in a changing europe. The stumbling blocks very much remain, ensuring that neither the uk and the eu could subsidise particular industries, the so called level Playing Field issue. There is a kind of chicken and egg element to these negotiations, because both sides want the other to blink first and make a compromise. And the danger is that both sides dig their heels in, and the talks go nowhere. What make the spring katia adler back in. The economic equation for the eu clearly has lots of points of principle, like maintaining the Single Market and protecting the Single Market and protecting the Single Market. But that internal discussion you are discussing a couple minutes ago, is that partly being driven by the fact that Member States are worried they could lose significant amounts of money . You would think that the twitching us amongst Member States at this moment would be about, what about this deal . Especially with countries who do the most trade with the uk, like france, and the netherlands, that they might be pushing hard for them to do this deal. But its the opposite. Perhaps the European Commission would be so keen to make a deal that it might be tempted to give away too much to the uk. So actually, the concerns are more in a reticent way that eu Member States are saying look, this really tight timetable was a uk choice, not an eu choice. Brexit is a uk choice, not an eu choice. We the eu dont want to be put under time pressure to sign up to something that in the long run will be to our detriment. This comes down to the level Playing Field regulations, because essentially what the eu is saying is, ok, you can have preferential access to the Single Market, but in order to do so, we need you to sign up order to do so, we need you to sign up to principals on government subsidies or environmental regulations, or labour regulations that can add costs to companies. Because they call these fair competition rules because they dont wa nt competition rules because they dont want uk businesses to have an unfair advantage against eu businesses in their own market. That is the big argument. However, from a uk perspective, its priority clearly isnt the Single Market. The governments priority in the uk is to preserve as much National Sovereignty as possible. Whats the point of brexit if you will or then going to tie yourself to a different rule book with brussels . So because the eu can also see this urge to diverge, thats why its insisting on the third Sticking Point, so governance of the deal. The eu is saying, we want to be really strict that if the uk or eu breaks rules in this deal which the uk thinks that you will want to try to do as it tries to diverge as an independent country eu think the uk will do, then we will have up way to police then we will have up way to police the agreement, so they can be faced with stiff penalties. And thats where the talks are stock. And because its about trust and political decisions here, sovereignty versus Single Market, thats why you need to have ursula von der leyen and borisjohnson finally face to face on this. No guarantees after their meeting that itll be complete, but at least more so itll be complete, but at least more so than the negotiators just going round and round the same argument. Finally, we have borisjohnson coming to town. Now youve helped us cover a ny coming to town. Now youve helped us cover any number of european summits in the last few years, and you told us in the last few years, and you told us they like to stick to the agenda, not just throwing random us they like to stick to the agenda, notjust throwing random things out at the last minute. Is there a possibility that these talks could disrupt or overshadow the summit thats been so carefully choreographed . The uk is quite obsessed with brexiteers understandably so. European countries less so. Its not front page news every day in the newspapers. What is a real problem for the European Union, definitely brexit right now, the eu institutions here in brussels, brexit is now front and centre alongside Something Else a huge crisis over the eus next budget, its covid i9 recovery front, which is desperately needed by so many eu economies, and also the rule of law, particularly involving hungary and poland, and the rest of the eu, saying, youre not keeping to the democratic morals we would like to see and a member state, and tying that into being able to get subsidies out of the budget. Its a huge crisis with the budget currently being vetoed by those two countries, and that will be front and centre at the eu Leaders Summit on thursday and friday. If the meeting with borisjohnson hasnt happened by then, most definitely leaders will end up talking about briggs as well. But what they want to avoid is that they feel the uk has been encouraging, which is dont give a nod and a week on the difficult compromises to your negotiating team, but wait because you know that eu Leaders Summit is coming up and try and get direct negotiations with the Member States. That is the suspicion on the eus site, and theyve always said they dont negotiate with the uk at one by one, they dont want this to fray eu unity, they want the commission to deal with that. So all sorts of politics going on, as you would expect, and itll be a very interesting week. And youll be helping us through it. Thank you very much indeed. A fantastic overview. We just heard the perspective from the eu, telus how this is playing out from the uk perspective . A couple things, the uk perspective . A couple things, the first is that this sovereignty is pretty much the top of Boris Johnsons list of things he wants to get out of the last few days of these negotiations. Remember that when borisjohnson was leading the weave campaign back in 2016, the whole point of exit was to take back control of leave campaign. So the idea that the uk would have to follow european rules, potentially not being able to do its own thing really is a Sticking Point here. And i suppose thats why weve got to the stage, because as you were hearing earlier, she was adamant that the uk should be able to undercut it with access to the Single Market. And here they really do see that as sovereignty, the uk being an independent country outside the eu, able to do its own thing. What was really interesting today, in part from that phone call which has produced more talks in that face to face meeting in brussels, was watching tory mps in the house of commons. A good few of them standing up and saying to ministers, that sovereignty issue really matters to us. So although Boris Johnson has a lot to way up when it comes to negotiations and whether theres any room for compromise when he meets ursula von der leyen in brussels, he also has to think about conservative mps here. And while i was covering this issue over the last three years, weve spoken so many times about conservative mps, some on the brexit wing, are a bsently some on the brexit wing, are absently adamant that they know what they want. And many of them, if there is to be a deal, will be going through with a fine tooth comb looking for things that they potentially arent happy with. So borisjohnson has to weigh that up as well as what hes willing to give up as well as what hes willing to give up in the talks. Especially for people watching outside the uk or havent followed this and so much detail, if we take borisjohnsons strong position on sovereignty as established, he will also understand that the European Union needs to protect its Single Market. So what is he and his colleagues within number ten realistically hoping that you can do without compromising the idea is that its holding onto, just as hes holding onto the ideas that are important to him . Youre absolutely right, one of things that was always a redline for Boris Johnson and brexiteers was that the European Court of Justice Johnson and brexiteers was that the European Court ofjustice would be the ultimate body that decided whether any trade agreement had been breached or whether sanctions could be put in place. Whats more likely is you have some sort of independent mechanism that looks at potential trade disputes which wean the uk and the European Union, if there is a trade deal. But then theres the question of, how exactly does that work . Would the European Union be able to turn around and say, we think youve breached x, so we will put iny think youve breached x, so we will put in y as think youve breached x, so we will putinyasa think youve breached x, so we will put in y as a sanction, or would they have to sign off on the independent body . Its not an easy thing to do. And because the two sides have basically principles that go right to the heart of what theyre trying to get out of this negotiation, sovereignty for the uk and protection of the Single Market for the eu, thats what. I remember the vast majority of the things the two sides have to agree on, they found ways of crossing the tease and dotting the eyes, and a lot of the legal text is ready to go. The three things remaining are phishing, competition rules, and the governance of the whole thing. The reason they are still there is because they are the hardest things to solve. Many people have set for weeks now that ultimately the trade talks matter for putting things in the place that will get us towards a deal. But the final thing will be political will. That will probably come down to what happens between borisjohnson, ursula come down to what happens between Boris Johnson, ursula von come down to what happens between borisjohnson, ursula von der leyen, and other european leaders later this week. Nick, thanks very much indeed. So a normal trade negotiations would involve one side giving a bit, and other dumb or the other side giving a bit, and finding common ground. But the ideas that are the foundation of brexit are rubbing up against each other, and they are not easily compatible. And thatis they are not easily compatible. And that is now what both the leaders of the European Union and the uk government are wrestling with in the coming days. So lets take a closer look at the french position on all of this. Its seen as the most reluctant to compromise out of the 27 eu nations. Thats partly overfishing rights. France has previously threatened to veto the deal. Heres what a close ally of the french president Emmanuel Macron had to say today. A pretty clear message there. Well, for more on whats happening on the french side, heres elvire fabry from european think tank, the Jacques Delors institute. Thank you very much forjoining us. Let me understand that statement better, is the suggestion from france perhaps they can continue the talks in 2021 . I think france, like all the other Member States, really wa nt all the other Member States, really want a deal. Of course they are very sensitive on the fishery issue is much as the uk side. But i think that the main worry of france is not the fishery, maybe because it was coming very late in the negotiations so coming very late in the negotiations so it has to be intensively discussed on the front line. But the main issue is about state aid, and what we happened to learn today, which was coming from the British Government that it would remove the controversial closures that could be re staged in the internal market bill. Thats a very positive sign because i think this negotiation really is desperately acute to be refueled dust refueled with mutual confidence. In these provisional closures had to be with state policy. This is really a structural issue that is at the heart of the french worries in the negotiations. And it may signal political willingness to engage into the negotiation of the deal. But isnt there a calculation here from Emmanuel Macron . Hes a guy who likes to have big ideas for the future of the eu. Is he having to balance those big ideas against the economic reality that a no deal brexit would have serious consequences for the French Economy . The impact of a no deal is obvious to all the Member States, but even harderfor to all the Member States, but even harder for the to all the Member States, but even harderfor the uk, to all the Member States, but even harder for the uk, which to all the Member States, but even harderfor the uk, which is more independent from the Single Market than the reverse. But in addition, its all the mess that would be added notjust of the management of the pandemic, but the economic recovery, and the more contentious and acrimonious climate it will create between partners. But beyond that, that negative impact of a no deal has already been digested as much as the government from the business side. But i think that the main issue is more long term structural issue about defending the Single Markets coherence. And at the moment when france is pushing for a more ambitious agenda for the eu based on the Single Market, to address chinese trade distortions are all the challenges arriving, and its not at a moment where they would like to take the risk into the Single Market. Thank you very much for joining Single Market. Thank you very much forjoining us, we appreciate it. Lets go to the us now. Its registered a record daily number of coronavirus cases for the third day running. Then this graph shows daily deaths over the past month the us has regularly recorded more than 2,000 a day. And these are the us totals for the pandemic. Almost 15 million confirmed cases and almost 300,000 deaths. Those are the highest figures of any country in the world. And even if you factor in americas population size they remain some of the most serious in the world. California is the most populous state in the us. Its lockdown has begun. These pictures are from hollywood boulevard in the last couple of hours. More than 30 million residents are subject to stay at home orders and banned from meeting anyone outside their household. The order was triggered because of growing pressure on intensive care units. Sophie long whos based in los angelesjoins us. Help sophie long whos based in los angeles joins us. Help us understand that pressure being exerted on the Health Care System . Yes, well the figures are really grim. Here in california they recorded nearly 30,000 new cases yesterday in a single day. Now this new stay at home order has been rightly triggered by the capacity of intensive care unit beds when it reaches 85 capacity, this new order was triggered. That has now happened in southern california, which takes in los angeles. Now a similar volu nta ry in los angeles. Now a similar voluntary order has been put in place in Northern California five counties around San Francisco bay area have voluntarily put that in place. They are hovering at 20 i see you capacity left. We heard from the governor gavin newsom within the last hour, laying out the figures saying the extra staffing has been requested on a federal level. Thats what theyre trying to avoid, hospitals becoming overwhelmed. When you look at the numbers weve seen the last week, theres a real danger of that happening. And how much is this lockdown changing the city, changing the way it feels in the way people are living . Thats an interesting question, because you muster member that los angeles has been under some form of stay at home order since march since the pandemic began. California was the first to put that in place. And theres a lot of confusion now in terms of angelenos and how they react to that. The past week, weve seen Different Levels of government reacting to the search cases. Last week there was an emergency order put in by the mayor of los angeles which required people to stay at home. Now this new order has kicked in at midnight a few hours ago, which encompasses a large part of southern california. So people are being ordered to stay at home, that will be in place for over three weeks, taking into account christmas. But in terms of how its changed the city, the answer is not very much. Several services have been stopped, but there is a long list that come under that essential services category. Sophie, thank you very much. Ill be back with you in a couple minutes time. Hello there. Its certainly been a cold day again today, even away from the fog, but where the fog persisted all day, so temperatures remained below freezing all day. Notjust here in norfolk but more widely across east anglia, lincolnshire, through the midlands and parts of southern england. The fog is thickening up overnight and becoming more widespread, and it will still be around tomorrow morning. So some difficult travelling conditions, certainty. Further north across the uk, well, things are looking different because an area of low pressure is moving in from the north sea. Thats changing the weather in scotland in particular, bringing more cloud, bringing some outbreaks of rain. If there is any snow, its probably over the mountains. The winds are strengthening too, and eventually, that will push some wetter weather into Northern Ireland, into the far north of england. Still a few showers to the south around coastal areas, some creeping in towards the southeast corner of england. It could be a bit sleety as well, but its going to be frosty more widely, i think, across wales, the midlands into southern parts of england, and there may well be some icy patches, as well as that dense fog around in the morning as well. Further north, the showers or longer spells of rain continue in scotland, Northern Ireland, further into northern england, pushing into wales. To the south of that, the odd shower near the coast, but a bit more sunshine developing through the day, and there wont be as much fog around by the afternoon tomorrow, because a bit more breeze picking up just to stir things up a bit. But some Gale Force Winds possible around the far west of scotland and into Northern Ireland, temperatures here around 8 9 degrees. One area that could stay a bit grey and cold through the day, likely to be around lincolnshire and perhaps into east anglia too, so temperatures will be lower here. Low pressure sticking around in scotland by wednesday, its very much weaker by this time. So there wont be as much rain around, it will be a drier day in scotland. Weve still got a lot of cloud, some showers affecting scotland and perhaps down the eastern side of england. Further west, a slice of sunshine for a few hours before the cloud increases and we get some rain coming into Northern Ireland, wales and the southwest by the evening. Temperatures ahead of that in the cold air still around 5 7 celscius. That rain doesnt get to eastern areas though on thursday, instead, it slides its way down into france. There is a more active weather system and some stronger winds arriving though on friday. So for thursday, still quite chilly, it will be cloudy but generally dry. Friday sees some stronger winds, rain in more areas and temperatures a bit higher. Hello, im ros atkins, this is outside source. Borisjohnson and ursula von der leyen fail to break the deadlock over brexit. The uk Prime Minister and the president of the European Commission say the conditions for a trade agreement are not there saying Critical Issues are still to be solved. Borisjohnson will now go to brussels for face to face talks after todays phone call failed to make progress. A mystery illness in india one man has died and hundreds have been taken ill. Well get the latest from our correspondent in hyderabad. Also in the programme. Bob dylan. Music plays. Hes sold his entire song catalogue for a rumoured 300 million dollars. The deals taken years, well find out why its happened now. Lets go back to our top story, those trade talks between the eu and the uk that have made no progress. We are getting more information, lets go straight back to nick earley in downing street. What have you got boris . Ive got a pretty gloomy briefing coming out from the uk site about how these talks have been going over the last few days. Let me just take you to a quote to a senior governments or is there, talks are in the same position now as they were on friday. Weve made no tangible progress. Its clear this must now continue politically, and thats obviously a nod to that meeting thats going to happen now between borisjohnson and ursula von der leyen in brussels. But this is. We do not consider this process to be closed, things are looking very tricky. And theres every chance we are not going to get there. As a clear warning from the uk side that things have not moved forward , uk side that things have not moved forward, things are not looking particularly positive, and its quite possible in the next few days, the process will breakdown, and there wont be a trade agreement. A couple of things that worth bearing in mind, the fact that the two sides are meeting in brussels means they still hope that potentially something can be brought forward and something can be brought forward and something can be brought forward and something can get over the line in the next few days. Its also birth will net worth bearing in mind as we we re will net worth bearing in mind as we were talking about earlier, these things often go down to the wire. There needs to be some political intervention to get some of the ha rd est intervention to get some of the hardest issues solved. Perhaps thats could happen later this week when the Prime Minister and the European Commission president meets in brussels, buts, look, its really down to the wire. Nothings guaranteed. Thinking back to just over a year ago when an anonymous senior official within the government e mailed the spectator come i think it was, with a very gloomy assessment of where weve got to on the negotiations over the Withdrawal Agreement. That was the beating of the week. I the end of the week, a deal had been announced. Soi the week, a deal had been announced. So i guess every statement we get from both sides has to be seen in the context of a negotiating ploy, an effort to get a deal that suits one side or the other. I think thats absolutely right. Theres no doubt that these briefings are meant as much for a domestic audience as they are for an international audience. We were talking earlier about how borisjohnsons backbenchers have been saying to them today, dont give up on that sovereignty issue. Thats the thing that we really care about. They say to the Prime Minister you know, dont sell us out but as you say, this happened with the Withdrawal Agreement as well. We were very close to a position where it looks like potentially, the uk could be leaving the European Union without any deal on how it left, never mind how i traded in future, which would have really made the relationship a difficult one for a while. It was a walk in the park for the irish taoiseach, then its got over the line. We know that borisjohnson likes got over the line. We know that Boris Johnson likes his got over the line. We know that borisjohnson likes his one to one diplomacy, perhaps, just perhaps, number ten are trying to set up a situation in which borisjohnson goes to brussels and these political issues are solved, perhaps there is a way through that weve not been told about yet. But look, as things stand just now, if we had spoken this time last week, there was optimism in this place, a lot of people who thought a deal was possible that potentially we would get towards it. Now, there is pessimism, a warning from a senior government source tonight that things might not get there. The key question is might stop they are still talking, anything is possible. Nick andi still talking, anything is possible. Nick and i thank you very much indeed. The talk will be taking place face to face, Boris Johnson going to brussels later this week to meet ursula von der leyen, the president of the European Commission, the part of the European Union that the eu Member States have asked to lead the negotiations. Thats why borisjohnson will meet with ursula von der leyen, but as both sides are saying at the moment, there are some significant gaps still in place. Those talks later in the week managed lets see if those talks late managed to bridge them. This is a shared set of standards and rules that ensure businesses in one country, so the uk, do not have an unfair advantage over another country, say, an eu member state. David chazan is a freelance journalist based in paris here he is outlining the french view on this. France, like other eu Member States, wants britain to abide by eu standards on things like workers rights, the environment, agriculture and also a state aid to industry because it doesnt want french businesses to be undercut by their british competitors who are able to produce goods more cheaply because they are not bound by similar rules. And chris morris from reality check is with me now. Chris, as im looking at this particular issue, more enduring, does the eu would demand anyone it does the eu would demand anyone it does trade deals with that they sign up does trade deals with that they sign upfor does trade deals with that they sign up for some standardised agreements . Imean, up for some standardised agreements . I mean, level Playing Field rules are i mean, level Playing Field rules a re pretty i mean, level Playing Field rules are pretty standard in free trade agreements. I think the point is, the more trade you do, the parser those rules become, there is no question that you is asking for fairly strict level Playing Field rules from the United Kingdom. The reason is that if you are in the same area, you can avoid paying taxes when things cross border, either if you dont have to spend spend as much money on workers rights or environmental regulations, or you are allowed to have more money from your government to help your business get moving, then you are going to be at an advantage, and whether correctly or not, there is a suspicion in the eu that the uk may be planning to go down that route. Their concern, i think, be planning to go down that route. Their concern, ithink, is notjust based on british companies, but in the future, other companies from around the worlds, if the uk had lower regulations in some form, those companies could come into the uk as those companies could come into the ukasa those companies could come into the uk as a route into the eus Single Markets, then we are talking about big global players, like state back Chinese Companies who, in a sense, have distorted the global level Playing Field if you like, and europe is very cautious about the role of the uk might play, and i think we have to stress might in the future, and thats why this has become such a big issue and its billions and billions of pounds at sta ke. Billions and billions of pounds at stake. If we go back to ivan for yea rs stake. If we go back to ivan for years go, you would come on the show and talk about the possibilities of and talk about the possibilities of a soft brexit or hard brexit, the soft brexit being the eu remaining either in or closely aligned to the Single Markets. Is the fact that theyre focus on a level Playing Field because the uk has chosen a ha rd field because the uk has chosen a hard brexit as a route, without issue have even been something to discuss if theyd gone for a softer brexit . I mean, soft brexit in the term that we use to discuss and say 2017 is complete we off the table. What we are talking about now is a choice between a pretty hard brexit ina choice between a pretty hard brexit in a no deal brexit, which is the ha rd est in a no deal brexit, which is the hardest form of brexit you could possibly imagine. So the soft brexit idea, which wouldve meant possibly leaving the Customs Union so the uk could continue to do independent trade deals around the world, but staying in the Single Markets, so following the same rules and regulations. Thats gone. And if you look at what this uk government wa nts, look at what this uk government wants, if its real objective is sovereignty, then strict level Playing Field rules are pretty hard things to sign up to, because sovereignty means the ability to forge your own path. The ability to go your own way and not follow other peoples rules. The trouble without is it makes it quite hard to do big trade deals with anyone because trade deals with anyone because trade deals with anyone because trade deals do involve some of sharing sovereignty. And so i think we need to find out exactly what it is that this government wants, but we do know that certainly a lot of people on the conservative backbenchers, if you like the hard core brexit years, sovereignty for them is absolutely key, and from their prospective as one of the big gains that brexit is supposed to achieve. Chris, one more question on how the eu is conducting negotiations. You are based in brussels for many years and watch the eu very very closely. Theres a spencers the eu very very closely. Theres a spencers suspicion among some brexiters that the us punishing the uk and is being stricter and harsher in its negotiations with the uk than it might be with any other individual nation state around the world. Do you think thats a reasonable observation . world. Do you think thats a reasonable observation . I think theres some truth in it, yeah. One of the reasons its stricter and harsher is because the uk is a major Global Economy right on its doorstep, so i think that needs to be harsh, because the uk has the potential to be a much bigger competitive threat because its so close by, but i also do think that there is an of teaching the uk a lesson, if you like, in order to say to any other country who might be thinking of leaving, the grass aint a lwa ys thinking of leaving, the grass aint always greener on the other side, sorry do think there is an of that, but its a combination of the two things. The pragmatic looking at the fact that, you know, the uk may well be a friend and partner in the future when all of this settles down, but it will still be an economic rival, but there is also that message of saying, dont think that leaving is hazyif saying, dont think that leaving is hazy if other countries where to consider going down the same path. Chris, thank you very much indeed. Chris, thank you very much indeed. Chris morris from bbc reality check team. We have heard from chris, and nick, we have heard from brussels. We are looking at these trade talks, and the efforts of both sides to find a deal in a very short space of time and a great deal of detail. Bearin time and a great deal of detail. Bear in mind, the brexit transition period ends at the end of december. The uk is artie left the European Union, but during this transition period, it follows eu rules and regulations. That stops at the end of the month. What we are focused on is what will be in place of that transition period from the moment, there is no deal, so nothing, but we will see if both sides managed to find a way through this. One of the many reasons these talks are proving so difficult is the uks internal markets bill this is legislation that seeks to overide part of the deal the uk signed with the eu on the terms of its departure. Its controversial because it breaks international law. And it gives the uk the right to overide the part where it agrees to put customs checks between Northern Ireland and the rest of the uk. Which was the thing that got the deal done in the first place. So its hugely important. Anyway, heres the house of commons where the bill is being debated right now. This is the all powerful Lower Chamber of parliament. The bill has already been up to the unelected Upper Chamber the house of lords. The lords removed the part that gave the uk the option to break international law. The government wants it back in and we expect it to ask mps to support that happening. Given it has a big majority, that would happen. The governments argument is that the internal markets bill is a neccessary safety net if the eu and the uk dont agree a trade deal. Liam fox is the former International Trade secretary and brexiteer. And here he is making a case for the bill in parliament earlier. There are those who have said that this bill is outrageous, it sets new precedents, but this bill is in fact only saying that under certain circumstances, domestic law might have to be used to overrule treaty law. As a revolutionary . Is its unprecedented . Law. As a revolutionary . Is its unprecedented . Well, law. As a revolutionary . Is its unprecedented . Well, im for 12th of february 2016, the German Federal Constitutional Court said the treaty overrides binational set statutory law are permissible under their constitution. It says under the system of the basic law, International Treaties have the same rank as statutory federal law. Therefore, they can be superseded by later federal statutes that contradict them. That is merely the power that the United Kingdom government is seeking to use as a contingency power should need it, and yet nobody screams about the German Parliament being able to exercise and absolutely identical power. The government also argues this bill will protect trade flowing between england, scotland, wales and Northern Ireland when the brexit transition period ends at end of year. Yes but that was always the condundrum. Remember why Boris Johnson agreed to checks between Northern Ireland and the rest of the uk. The republic of ireland is in the eu. Northern ireland, part of the uk, is not. The challenge has always been if theres no trade deal between the uk and the eu or there is a deal but two dont closely align then there will need to be checks on goods as they move between the eu and the uk because they are moving between two different trade areas with different rules and regulations. Because of Northern Irelands violent past, no one wants checks between Northern Ireland and the republic. Borisjohnson decided to allow Northern Ireland stays aligned to the eus Customs Union. That means no checks on the island of island. Instead borsjohnson signed the uk up for custom checks in the irish sea for goods passing between Northern Ireland and the rest of the uk. That was the deal that was signed. That is the deal the government is now seeking to opt out of. The eu is clear the controversial aspects of the bill need to go. For example, today Tony Connolly rte europe editor tells us, well the uk has signalled a possible compromise over the bill. In the past few hours its released this statement confirming that it will remove controversial clauses in the bill on trade and business support in Northern Ireland or deactivate them if a solution is found in the coming days. Political editor, Laura Kuennsberg adds timing of the statement seems a rather public olive branch lets talk about this further. Jessica parker is live with us from westminster. To pick up on lauras points, should we be right to see all of this as part of the uks negotiating strategy . That was very much the suspicion from some quarters when plans first emerged that could see the uk potentially override parts of the Withdrawal Agreement, as you have been outlining, some suspected that it was kind of a way that the uk side making the eu peer over the precipice and see how far the uk might be prepared to go if resolution can be reached both in terms of the trade agreement that has been going on in terms of negotiations over the last few days, weeks and indeed months, but also the separate joint committee, the cabinet officer minister michael gove attends as they try and really sort out the details on the Northern Ireland protocol. As you have been saying, theyve always insisted the uk government that this was a way of providing a safety net for the uk internal markets, but timing is everything, right . So its quite interesting that today, it emerged from the uk government that they would be willing to withdraw, deactivate, review the controversial clauses, release some of the controversial clauses in this bell and a separate bill as well, just as negotiations are, of course, seemingly reaching the climax. Just a quick word on the parliamentary process. I was referencing that the lords, the upper houses got involved, but if in the end, the commons decide something, thats what happens, right . Thats the sort of protocol, because the commons is the elected chamber, but having said that, the lords do feel pretty strongly on this issue. A lot of them turning out to vote down those clauses that proved controversial, including senior conservative members of the house of lords as well, but whats likely to happen this evening is the bits of the belt of the house of lords have taken out will probably be reinserted by mps in the house of commons and then sent back to the lords. You are right to say that protocol would suggest that over past years, the house of commons because its the elected chamber will eventually get its way. Jessica, thank you very much indeed. Wed spend most of the programme focused on a deal thats taken a long time and still wasnt done, ina taken a long time and still wasnt done, in a minute, we will talk about a deal thats taken even longer, but eventually got done. Bob dylans sold his song catalogue to Universal Records for a huge amount of money. We will get the story from the quite extraordinary deal. The former england and Leeds Rhinos Rugby League player, Kevin Sinfield has just run seven marathons in seven days all of them in well under four hours. Heres our Sports Correspondent Katie Gornall cheering. It was a challenge powered by friendship and, this morning, that challenge entered its final strides. Kevin sinfield had just run seven marathons in seven days to support the Motor Neurone Disease association, and his former team mate, rob burrow. Made up, overwhelmed. That was unbelievable. We never knew itd turn into anything like this. It was just six mates trying to raise a bit of money for rob. And my wife said to me this morning, if someone offered to double it, would you do it again . , and in an instant, i said, yeah, absolutely. Id do it because thats what mates do, dont they . Probably the best week of my life. And then, in a couple of years, well look back hopefully with a great deal of pride on being able to help people. As a player for leeds rhinos, burrow constantly defied the odds. This is a sensational try there arent many in super league that could do that small in stature, but with enormous ability, sinfield his captain and close friend was neverfarfrom his side. When burrows diagnosis became public last year, his team mates rallied round. Sinfields initial aim was to raise around £77,000. That target was soon smashed. Ive had a few little private chats with him and he said, i burst out crying at this moment, i was thinking about this and that. Because hes a very emotional character, and i cant imagine what the physical and Emotional Energy thats been drained from him this week mustve done. But im just really glad that hes achieved it. You know, hes raised £1 million, over £1 million and as he set out on his final marathon, burrow had this message for him. Kev, from day one, has always been a role model to me and someone who ive held in the highest regard. I hope you know id do the same for you. It means everything to me. Rob burrow knows there are significant challenges ahead, but he wont be facing them alone. Katie gornall, bbc news. This is outside source live from the bbc newsroom. Our lead story is . Boris johnson will travel to brussels for face to face talks after a phone call with ursula von der leyen fails to unlock an eu trade deal. I wasnt burns johnson, i wasnt burnsjohnson, those Rugby League Player we had just been talking about, but there has been a long phone call between ursula von der leyen and the borisjohnson from the uk Prime Minister, noah significant progress on a number of stumbling blocks that about where we arent about a trade deal being done between the uk and the eu. So, as scotty i was think i really needs a political intervention for the leaders to shift their advice to the negotiators, we will see if that happens later in the week, but Boris Johnson will be going to brussels. Now, were going to talk about bob dyla n. Bob dylan has sold the rights to his entire back catalogue of songs in a deal rumoured to be worth 300 million dollars. Universal music made the announcement with a video. He sings. The times they are a changing is one of 600 songs along with like a Rolling Stone, knocking on heavens door, a raft classics from the 60s and 70s all the way through to modern standards like make you feel my love. The label is believed to have spent years trying to close the deal. Lucian grange, universals ceo said today the art of songwriting for bob dylan this cements his position as one of the most successful and respected musicians. The man himself almost never gives interviews. Today, through a spokesperson, bob dylan said. No comment lets speak to any and, who covers the business of music at Rolling Stone magazine, new york. Have ever seen anything like this . Thanks for having me. Quite an extraordinary year for music at large, but also for money in music, changing hands, the sums are extraordinary, and to have someone like bob dylan in the mix was unexpected for everybody watching this space. Why is universal spending cash on this catalogue . There are couple of things to consider here, when is that master copyrights, master recordings and publishing copyrights, both of which are copyrights for a song a really lucrative if the artist is someone who continues to stick around for decades at a time in the streaming era, so bob dylan will never go away. He will probably be a big artist for a long time. Universal is betting that by owning those masters, by owning those publishing copyrights, they can monetise that by putting them into advertisements, films, every time his song as extremes streams, the money goes to them instead of bob dylan, for bob commits a huge win for me gets 300 million off the bat, doesnt have to deal with any of those royalties, doesnt have to be co nsta ntly royalties, doesnt have to be constantly asking people and managers whats going on for my being asked what he could put a song orfilm or Something Like that, so its a win win, but especially for the people who now control his copyrights and can do what they want with them. He is a notoriously difficult man to communicate with, to get close to, so we are told, so how did universal go about getting the deal . Well, we are not quite sure because everyone has been so close lipped about it, but one can assume that universal had chased him with some aggressive sums in mind, perhaps written on napkins and slid across the table, but whatever the end result of the acquisition was, its on par with the likes of taylor swift a couple of weeks ago, stevie nicks the other week, everybodys catalogues are being sold for extraordinary high multiples, its a really, really hot market right now. A stark contrast to the situation the Music Industry was facing when the Music Industry was facing when the internet first came along when the internet first came along when the likes of napster were disrupting everything. Thats exactly right. He could also see the trend of record labels fighting transcend constantly wanting to take new companies to courts, and now we have the Biggest Record company in the world coming round and sink them actually, we wa nt to round and sink them actually, we want to be part of this acquisition spree and we want to be a player and just require something from bob dyla n just require something from bob dylan directly so that we can compete with these new players. Amy, appreciate you joining us. She covers the business of music at Rolling Stone magazine, live with us from new york. As i mentioned a few minutes ago, a deal thats got done, but we spend most of the are talking about a deal which definitely is not done yet. Ursula von der leyen of the European Commission president and borisjohnson, the European Commission president and Boris Johnson, the uks European Commission president and borisjohnson, the uks by minister, spoke at length on the whole phone just a couple of hours back, but they have not managed any significant breakthroughs on some of the outstanding issues, such as the state aid issue. In both the eu in the uk behaved fairly with reference to subsidies, also the issue of fishing is not resolved, the story very much goes fishing is not resolved, the story very much goes on. Fishing is not resolved, the story very much goes on. Thanks for watching. Bye bye. Hello there. Its certainly been a cold day again today, even away from the fog, but where the fog persisted all day, so temperatures remained below freezing all day. Notjust here in norfolk but more widely across east anglia, lincolnshire, through the midlands and parts of southern england. The fog is thickening up overnight and becoming more widespread, and it will still be around tomorrow morning. So some difficult travelling conditions, certainty. Further north across the uk, well, things are looking different because an area of low pressure is moving in from the north sea. Thats changing the weather in scotland in particular, bringing more cloud, bringing some outbreaks of rain. If there is any snow, its probably over the mountains. The winds are strengthening too, and eventually, that will push some wetter weather into Northern Ireland, into the far north of england. Still a few showers to the south around coastal areas, some creeping in towards the southeast corner of england. It could be a bit sleety as well, but its going to be frosty more widely, i think, across wales, the midlands into southern parts of england, and there may well be some icy patches, as well as that dense fog around in the morning as well. Further north, the showers or longer spells of rain continue in scotland, Northern Ireland, further into northern england, pushing into wales. To the south of that, the odd shower near the coast, but a bit more sunshine developing through the day, and there wont be as much fog around by the afternoon tomorrow, because a bit more breeze picking up just to stir things up a bit. But some Gale Force Winds possible around the far west of scotland and into Northern Ireland, temperatures here around 8 9 degrees. One area that could stay a bit grey and cold through the day, likely to be around lincolnshire and perhaps into east anglia too, so temperatures will be lower here. Low pressure sticking around in scotland by wednesday, its very much weaker by this time. So there wont be as much rain around, it will be a drier day in scotland. Weve still got a lot of cloud, some showers affecting scotland and perhaps down the eastern side of england. Further west, a slice of sunshine for a few hours before the cloud increases and we get some rain coming into Northern Ireland, wales and the southwest by the evening. Temperatures ahead of that in the cold air still around 5 7 celscius. That rain doesnt get to eastern areas though on thursday, instead, it slides its way down into france. There is a more active weather system and some stronger winds arriving though on friday. So for thursday, still quite chilly, it will be cloudy but generally dry. Friday sees some stronger winds, rain in more areas and temperatures a bit higher. This is bbc news with me, tim willcox. The headlines at eight. Another phone call between Boris Johnson and European Commission president ursula von der leyen but significant differences remain for finalising a post brexit trade deal. The Prime Minister will travel to brussels for face to face talks, in an effort to push a deal across the line. 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