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league game against monaco which has been postponed. all the details on that. and as usual, as you're watching outside source, we're online as well. e—mail us, or get me online as well. e—mail us, or get me on social media. use the hashtag bbc os. this time yesterday, i was talking to you about how the g 7 wanted to pressure russia on its relationship with the syrian government. we can scrap that. canada, france, germany, italy, japan, the uk and the us couldn't agree on how to do it. now that was happening in italy. we're now going to have to move to moscow, because that is where the us secretary of state, rex tillerson, has already arrived. here are the pictures from earlier. perhaps it was inevitable that this part of syrian crisis would always boil down to russia and america alone. certainly that's how it will be tomorrow. mr tillerson will meet his counterpart sergey lavrov. here is the secretary of state speaking before he got on the flight. the secretary of state speaking before he got on the flightlj the secretary of state speaking before he got on the flight. i hope that what the russian government concludes is that they have aligned themselves with an unreliable partner in president assad. they have signed, the chemical weapons themselves, the russian government assigned that accord. now assad has made the russians look not so good. the meetings in moscow. as rex tillerson is making clear, the focus will be what happened in a syrian town. we've talked about this many times in the last week. at least 89 people were killed in that chemical attack, which has been widely reported. the west blames the syrian government for that attack. here's an update on the us defense secretary, coming from reuters, who has said, there is no doubt the syrian government is responsible for that gas attack. the syrian government flatly denies this. here is vladimir putin talking earlier. translation: we have information from various sources that similar provocations, i can't call them any differently, are being prepared in other parts of syria too. including the southern suburbs of damascus, where they're preparing to release some sort of substance again. let's turn to the analysis of our bbc russia correspondent. this is the usual tactics used by mr putin in such circumstances. he never steps back under pressure and always just strikes back with some counter arguments. that is exactly what he did. it's very interesting that harsh language used by mr putin is contrasted by language used by russian ministry of foreign affairs. the statement they issued recently says that they are full of hope and they're hoping that these negotiations will open a new page in bilateral relations and that the relations will become better. also there are rumours that there mite antibiotic meeting between mr putin and tillerson tomorrow, even though it's not confirmed by putin's spokesman. but the fact that it's not declined at the moment tells us a lot. definitely both washington and especially moscow are eager to talk and are eager to reach agreement on syria. because russia has put a lot to that story and puts a lot of stakes, it hopes, that syria, its position in syria will help to reach it some new heights on international arena. there's a lot of pressure going into this meeting on mr tillerson. here's a british blogger, edward hardy saying tillerson‘s meeting will be a big test, if he fails to make ground, it will show that trump hired a businessman, not a diplomat. rex tillerson headed exxon mobilfor many years. this would be a tough test for a ny many years. this would be a tough test for any diplomat. there's a serious man across the table. sergey lavrov is a seasoned diplomat. rex tillerson not so much. well that's quieght right. he hasn't been a diplomat for long. he has a long track record of working in russia and working at the highest levels there. he knows this country and he knows the people at the top of it. we shall have to see how he does tomorrow. let's get the analysis of the bbc‘s state department correspondent. she's travelling with rex tillerson.. rex tillerson has quite a difficult task now that he has arrived. he has been saying very clearly that the russians have backed the wrong side in the warand russians have backed the wrong side in the war and he wants them to think about re—aligning themselves, moving away from bashar al—assad and joining together with the americans to try and come up with a political solution to syria's civil war. he's also going to want to ask them about what happened with this chemical weapons attack, why there still were chemical weapons there when there was agreement to eliminate them. he will press the russians to make sure any further chemical weapons that exist are gotten rid of. difficult things to discuss with a defiant tone from moscow. having said that, the russian foreign ministry did release a statement today in which it outlined its concerns but also said it did not want confrontation, it wanted constructive cooperation with the americans. so it is wanting to hear with the americans. so it is wanting to heaer with the americans. so it is wanting to hear mr tillerson out, especially when it comes to what sort of bilateral relations russia is going to have with the united states. before mr tillerson flew to moscow, he was in italy at the gathering of g7 he was in italy at the gathering of g 7 foreign ministers. the aim was to get a unified position on syria. but as i was saying, it didn't happen. the uk in particular pushed for more sanctions on russia. but there was no deal to be had. james forsythe says: james robbins has been speaking to the foreign secretary. here's some of their discussion. what we've agreed is that we will put forward a resolution in the un security council on the chemical weapons attack. we want to see now the results of the investigation by the results of the investigation by the opcw, whose job the results of the investigation by the opcw, whosejob it the results of the investigation by the opcw, whose job it is to establish exactly what happened. there was a very wide measure of agreement last night that, notjust the syrian generals, but if we could show complicity by those russian officers who are helping the syrian military operation, then they should also be sanctionable as well. the syrians are never going to allow a proper investigation on what they allow as their sovereign territory. the bigger picture here is that we are moving now into an environment where i think the russians have to make a choice. they basically change the game in syria a couple of years ago, when they came in and they saved assad. it turns out that the quy saved assad. it turns out that the guy that they've saved is a man who has absolutely no compunction about murdering his own people with weapons that should have been banned 100 years ago. now a story generating a huge amount of comment online at the moment. today's white house briefing with sean spicer was remarkable in a number of ways, not least because it's resulted in the anne frank centre calling on donald trump to fire him now for engaging in holocaust denial. they've released a longer statement on that. mr spicer was responding to questions about the chemical attack in syria and he said this. we didn't use chemical weapons in world war ii. you had someone as despicable as hitler who didn't even sink to using chemical weapons. so you have to, if you're russia, ask yourself — is this a country and a regime you want to align yourself with. clearly there are a number of issues with that statement. he was then asked to clarify what he'd said. that statement. he was then asked to clarify what he'd saidlj that statement. he was then asked to clarify what he'd said. i think when you come to sarin gas, there was no, he was not using the gas on his own people the same way that assad is doing. there was clearly... i understand your point, thank you. i appreciate that, there was not — he brought them into the holocaust centre, i understand that. i'm saying in the way that assad used them where he went into towns, dropped them down into the middle of towns, so the use of it, i appreciate the clarification there, that was not the intent. unsurprisingly using the phrase "holocaust centre" to describe a concentration camp didn't help matters. in the immediate aftermath of that: i should say later on mr spicer e—mailed reporters to clarify his remarks. he said in no way was i trying to lessen the horrendous nature of the holocaust. i was trying to draw a distinction of the tactic of using aeroplanes to drop chemical weapons on population centres. any attack on innocent people is reprehensible and inexcusable. that wasn't the end of the briefing. mr spicer was talking about syria again. he had this to say about syria and its government's allies. the only countries that aren't supporting the us's position aren't supporting the us's position are syria, north korea, iran and russia. this is not exactly a happy time, cocktail party of people you wa nt to time, cocktail party of people you want to be associated with. they are failed states with the exception of russia. so there we have sean spicer describing iran as a failed state and by any normal definition a failed state iran certainly doesn't qualify for that description. now let's turn to a story that has been developing in the last few hours in germany, because a team bus carrying borussia dortmund to a champions league quarter final carrying borussia dortmund to a champions league quarterfinal has been damaged by multiple explosions. this is the bus in question. the tea m this is the bus in question. the team was scheduled to play monaco, but the game's been pushed back 2a hours, because of what's happened. we have this tweet from the police in dortmund. we can confirm there have been three explosions in the area of the borussia dortmund team bus. one player has been taken to hospital. that player has been named as the spanish international marc bartra. his condition, though, isn't considered serious. let's go to the bbc sport centre. you've been pulling together what you know. give us more pulling together what you know. give us more details of the explosions and where they happened? they happened just outside the team hotel, a few kilometres from the ground. it broke about an hour—and—a—half before the game was due to take place. what you know is there were three explosions. the bus there, there it is in the background, with the fire engine in the foreground, you can see the windows of the bus have actually been slightly blown out there. marc ba rtra been slightly blown out there. marc bartra was the man you mentioned, the former barcelona and spanish international who's been with borussia dortmund since 206. the police sending out tweets. social media went into melt down. that's the team working away with the german police after the incident. this inside the ground, it was relayed to the supporters inned so the ground for both teams who were there, that the match would be suspended, postponed and put back to 1645 gmt, 1745 bst on wednesday. now what happened at the ground was the monaco supporters, in fairness to them, they were behind the dortmund team, chanting, dortmund, dortmund, dortmund. it was remarkably well handled by the german police and social media. thank you very much indeed. we will come back to you later to talk about the other quarter final, later to talk about the other quarterfinal, that is going ahead, between juventus and barcelona. quarterfinal, that is going ahead, betweenjuventus and barcelona. last timei betweenjuventus and barcelona. last time i looked it was going well for juventus. that is covered through the bbc sport app. stay with us here on outside source. we turn to washington state in the us later to look at the issue of vaccine scepticism and where it may or may not fit in to the trump administration's plans. the parents of an eight—month—old baby boy say they're devastated after the high court ruled that doctors can withdraw his life support. the parents of charlie gard broke down in tears as they heard the decision. he has a rare genetic condition and brain damage. his pa rents condition and brain damage. his parents have raised more than £1 million to take him to america for experimental treatment. their solicitor gave her reaction to the decision. this court has had to face one of the most fundamental issues for any court. it has not been easy. lessons need to be learned about how medical professionals face decisions such as this, how they act with sufficient speed, and how they communicate with the families of desperately ill children, such as charlie. it is regrettable and inexplicable that much of the reasoning for their decisions only came to light after proceedings had been issued. it is too simplistic to say had matters been handled better charlie would be well, but undoubtedly it did not assist. we're live in the bbc newsroom. our lead story concerns rex tillerson, the us secretary of state is in russia and there are a lot of people looking ahead to his meeting with his counterpart, sergey lavrov. it will happen on tuesday and russia's position on syria will be top of the agenda. let's bring you the main stories from bbc world service. first of all, bbc arabic has new details on claims that migrants are being sold in slave markets in libya. toshiba has filed delayed financial reports, warning that the company's survival is at stake. an uzbek man, suspected of carrying out the stockholm attack last week, has confessed to a terrorist crime in court. that's from bbc uzbek. this is one of the most watched videos on the bbc news app. that is queen elizabeth and prince philip feeding bananas to an elephant here in the uk. now president trump has been meeting a number of chief executives to talk about his plans for infrastructure. the ceo of, i apologise, we will speak to the ceo of, i apologise, we will speakto samira the ceo of, i apologise, we will speak to samira in a minute. the ceo of, i apologise, we will speakto samira in a minute. : he's trying to gain support for a $1 trillion infrastructure programme, fixing bridges and modernising airports. he wants to make changes to the tax system and to look at regulation. he has a range of plans. we saw samira briefly. let's bring you in properly. you made a brief appearance there. talk to me about where the ceos fit into donald trump's plans. for donald trump meeting with business leaders is something that he has done several times. we see these ceos coming to the white house often. this is really very comfortable territory for him. he understands business. he understands business leaders and speaking to them is something that he is very comfortable doing. now what he wants is to see how he can get private, these businesses, these ceos to invest in some of the infrastructure spending that he wa nts to infrastructure spending that he wants to have happen. president trump has long said when it comes to infrastructure spending plans, he wa nts to infrastructure spending plans, he wants to see both public money, so that's government money, and also private companies come in with some money to try and fix america's roads and bridges. in terms of the funding, with regards to infrastructure, is he likely to be able to get that through congress relatively easily? that is, of course, the $1 trillion question. with what happened with health care, it's really set a lot of people back. in fact, it's really set a lot of people back. infact, if it's really set a lot of people back. in fact, if you look at us markets and how they've been trading in the last day or so, there's a bit of hesitation, when it comes to donald trump and the administration, in terms of what they can actually get accomplished. you know, even at the outset of this meeting at the white house, we heard the president talk again about rolling back the banking regulations. again, something that wall street really cheered. but how likely is he to be able to get some of that pushed through? that's where there's a lot of question and perhaps uncertainty that that confidence that wall street once had may be shifting just a little bit. thank you. next, business, we talk about shell. it's unveiled details of how it will decommission four huge oil rigs in the north sea. to do this, it's got this ship. it's quite something. it's the pine eeering spirit, the largest construction vessel ever built. this summer it will lift the top part of brent delta oil rig, which weighs more than 24,000 tons, then take it to the north of england, where it's going to be dismantled. now toshiba, we've talked about this a number of times. it's delayed its financial results, but they're out, revealing big losses. in a statement, lest under of us underestimated the situation. it says: the reports are that it could be in line to make 4. $4.8 billion loss from april to december last year. the reason i'm saying that with some doubt is these results have not been approved by toshiba's auditors. this is what's happening to the share price since december. very sharply down. that's when it became clear that its nuclear business in the us was in deep financial trouble. the bbc‘s correspondent in tokyo has more now. these were the greatest brands in consumer goods for decades, toshiba, panasonic, sony, hitachi, so how did we end up here? first of all, the chinese and the koreans came along and they could make these things just as well, but much cheaper. secondly, perhaps more important, these japanese companies lost their mojo. they forget how to innovate. the country that invented the walkman did not go on to invent the smartphone. inside a vast exhibition hall, more than 3,000 new recruits are being inducted into one of japan's big corporations. a lot of these young people can expect to spend the whole of their career in this one company. it will become their second home. they'll expect to work hard, long hours and wait their turn for promotion. it's a model that's worked well for japan turn for promotion. it's a model that's worked well forjapan in the past. but it has real problems. in this ridge it corporate hierarchy promotion is based on age, not on talent. it's a culture which is resista nt to talent. it's a culture which is resistant to change and bad at producing new ideas. toshiba is not alone. otherfamous producing new ideas. toshiba is not alone. other famous japanese producing new ideas. toshiba is not alone. otherfamous japanese names have been through deep crises. last year sharp was sold to a taiwanese company. now toshiba will be broken up, its best bits sold off to the highest bidder. as you may have noticed, there are many stories tonight that in some way connect with the trump administration. here's another one. there are suggestions that mr trump could commission a new vaccine safety committee and that's worrying some doctors. one of the reasons they're worried is there are suggestions this man robert kennedy junior could be the head of that new body. he's a known vaccine sceptic. we should be clear, none of this has been confirmed, but these suggestions are raising the broader issue of vaccine scepticism and how, for some, it's become very persuasive. i have a report on this now. we've been to washington state to vashon island, it has some of the lowest rates of vaccination in the us. your attention please... welcome to vashon island, a few miles off the seattle coast. it's a small, affluent community that embraces natural, clean living. these children's parents want the absolute best for them, like any medication, vaccines can cause mild and in very rare cases serious side effects. the scientific consensus on them is clear — they're safe, effective and save lives. these mums are still unconvinced. we live in a society that values profit over public health. so we really have to do our own research to find how safe they are. there was a huge amount of evidence that it was harmful, even if they weren't ways we could scientifically prove it, it was talking from one mother to another. here, like many other parts of the us, parents can opt out of vaccinating their children for personal reasons. but the issue has caused deep divides in this tight knit community. four—year—old twins are getting right up to date with their vaccinations today. there's never been any doubt that that's the right thing to do. it may be painful, but these shots protect against deadly diseases including peesels, which before vax —— measles, and whooping cough is a major concern. if we don't immunise enough of the children in the school, then on a fairly regular basis the whooping cough epidemic can grow in the school and then the most dangerous part is those infections can be taken home and a little baby could be infected. that can be fatal. this is the man would wants to chair a vaccine safety committee for the trump administration. he completely dismisses the scientific consensus on vaccines. i don't believe government officials and i don't believe, you know, i have to be sceptical. we all ought to be sceptical. we all ought to be sceptical. the president's own scientifically unfounded comments in the past have also caused alarm. the beautiful child went to have the vaccine and came back and a week later got a tremendous fever, got very, very sick, now is autistic. he appealed to emotion. he appealed to fear. we know that vaccines don't cause autism. we are concerned that statements like this could deter families from getting vaccines. back at the clinic, the girls are getting over their injections. but for their pa rents, over their injections. but for their parents, the greater good for the health of the island is worth their tea rs. you can get more on that story online as well. let's lock at what's coming up in the next half an hour, we've got, well, this is the north pole mare thorn. these guys are seriously impressive runners. we'll bring you more pictures of those. we have to turn to this astonishing video, which was bad for united when it came out. it's getting a lot worse, because of how united has responded. we'll talk about that as well. that's coming up on outside source. i'll speak to you in a couple of minutes. hello there. there will be a detailed look at the weather here in the uk, before the top of the hour in weather for the week ahead. now we look at stories from elsewhere around the world. starting off in the south pacific. this tropical cyclone has made its way through new caledonia. it's moving southwards across colder waters. it is weakening in terms of wind speed. that will bring heavy rain. it gets mixed up with low pressure and injects that moisture into it. that enhances the rainfall. in some parts of new zealand we are expecting to see heavy rain over the next few days. thankfully it clears away towards the south. but there has been wet weather recently. there may been wet weather recently. there may be further impacts from further heavy rain. pretty wet under this cloud, towards the darwin area. this has the potential to turn into a tropical cyclone. this slips southwards and westwards. off the coast of queen's land, there was potential, 24 hours ago to turn into a tropical cyclone. that looks less likely now. the united states, we've had severe weather across the south—west from this weather system, which is weakening as it drifts eastwards. there will be a line of showers from the great lakes, down through the southern most states. the showers will not be too heavy nor too thundery. there is potential for lively weather in texas. another weather system is pushing into the pacific north west, bringing wind and rain. 22 degrees in los angeles and rain. 22 degrees in los angeles and 22 degrees in new york as well. severe weather to be in colombia, ecuador and central and northern parts of peru. the flooding and land slide problems ongoing. in the south it's looking pretty good. in ecuador and bogota further rain or showers. some of that could be heavy with thunder and lightning. across southern europe, it's been decent recently. it looks like a lovely afternoon in spain and in portugal. 30—odd degrees in seville. around 18 or 19 in the sunshine in barcelona. it looks good for much of southern france and northern france, a bit of cloud. 17 degrees in paris is pretty good going. then into the thicker cloud and rain across northern europe, berlin, war saw, looking wet. in helsinki we should stay dry. further east, out towards moscow, showers through the middle of the week. those merging into something wetter as we head towards thursday. stays essentially dry, but cloudy in kiev. we see cloud breaking up in athens. sunshine later in the week. on our shores, a weather front is drifting south. rainfora time weather front is drifting south. rain for a time in belfast. moving away to the south. temperatures just easing back a bit on thursday. related story concerns rex tillerson, the us secretary of state. he has arrived in moscow with plenty of work to do. america and its allies have failed to pressure russia on the issue of syria. he will take this up with surrogate lover of. i hope that what the russian government concludes is they have aligned with an unreliable partner in basha al—assad. the anne frank centre is calling on spicer to be fired by donald trump. someone as despicable of hitler who did not sink to using chemical weapons.

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