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supporting the people of northern ireland, protecting the peace, preserving the belfast good friday agreement is a priority. it's regarded as the day that helped and decades of violence here during the 1970s, �*80s and �*90s. reactions to it being signed were largely positive. for the generation to come, it will be fantastic, one of the greatest things in our history, anyway. some were not convinced. i don't think we will ever see peace. it'll take something different. i have come to dromore, a town in county down, roughly 20 minutes outside of belfast, and is home to around 6000 people. it's also where i grew up and went to school. i was born in 1998, the year the good friday agreement was signed here in northern ireland. it means i grew up after the troubles ended and didn't have to worry as much as maybe my parents did, for example, about getting caught up in the conflict happening here. me and others like me born after it was signed are known as �*peace babies' and i'm keen to find out where they think northern ireland could be in the next 25 years. just across from where i am now is my old school, dromore high. there's me! chuckles i left here in 2017, but it's where i was first taught about the good friday agreement. i'm meeting some students who are in their last years of school. the classrooms they study are the ones i used to sit in. the five of us sitting here right now were born in northern ireland after the good friday agreement was signed, so we are peace babies. what does that term mean to you, that term? i haven't heard much about it but i suppose it's something i take for granted. when i have been talking to my parents about the troubles, mum was saying the other day, she just brought up a story about how she had to go to an army checkpoint. i really did not think that that would've happened in her time. ijust — really, it took me by surprise. i was not thinking about it. for our generation it doesn't mean much because we are very ignorant— into the pain and suffering that our parents or grandparents went through. as a generation, we will never understand that. i mean, i'm glad i have peace. i would not like to lived - the life that my parents said they had to live. when i say the term �*troubles,’ what you think of straight away? derry girls. are you a big fan? big fan. even the army getting on board the bus, and they're acting like it's a normal thing. everyone remained seated. derry girls is a tv series set during the troubles in the i990s and was filmed in derry. what's going on? it looks at the conflict to the lens of five teenagers and aired on channel [i for the first time in 2018. it's been praised by many in northern ireland for showing what it was like to grow up during the violence. it's been popular locally, as well as around the world. if you were to imagine getting the bus to school and the army stopped it and got on, would with that be normal for you? i certainly wouldn't be as unfazed as they were in the show. but yeah, i guess that's what it was back then. like, we never worry about violence. we don't get on a school bus and fear of our lives like people did. i think it is very separate from us than it is for them. it does just seem completely different world is what they are describing, compared to what we have now. do you think northern ireland will exist in 25 years? to be quite honest, if there is even the smallest sliver of a possibility that, if a united ireland happened, just this unrest and hatred for the other side would be put down, it would be so much better to live in a society where you don't have to live in constant fear of saying you're from the wrong side when you're in the wrong place. is that something that you think still exist, like, do you fear to say whether you are a catholic or protestant in certain areas? like, i've heard of friends of mine going to certain places and saying that they are catholic when they're protestant or protestant when they are catholic, because they felt they would be under threat if they said otherwise, just because people in the environment they were in, and i think it is still a thing that people do still feel under threat in certain areas. i've never been afraid to say i'm protestant. that's my religion, that's what i believe. and i'm never been afraid, because what are they going to do about it? and i think that it's all about appreciating someone else is different from you and their ideals and ideas may be different from you but that doesn't mean you can't be friends, that doesn't mean you can't work beside them, that doesn't mean you can't train beside them, because the reality of northern ireland is everywhere you go, you are going to be with someone who's a different religion than you, who has different ideas from you and that's what you have to accept and move on from. do you think people in the republic of ireland and in england, scotland and wales know enough about northern ireland and the complexities of what it can mean to live here? i don't think any other country, other than us living here right now, can ever understand the complexities of being a citizen in this country, but they are taught everything about what either side stood for, what they fought for. they have never experienced what it is like to live in a country where you probably will fear to say what you believe in. luckily, i've also never had to experience that because i was born well after the good friday agreement. the good friday agreement, or the belfast agreement, was a deal to help bring an end to 30 years of the troubles in northern ireland. it involves northern ireland's political parties, as well as the british and irish governments. negotiations took several years and ended on good friday, the 10th of april, 1998 — eight months before i was born. the agreement focused on areas such as culture and civil rights, as well as justice and policing. the deal caused controversy, too, as it meant prisoners in jail for violent crimes linked to the troubles were released early. politicians agreed three main areas. the first thing they agreed was to set up a parliament to deal with local issues. this would be the northern ireland assembly. secondly, they set up a council to develop cooperation on areas like farming and health that would benefit both northern ireland and the republic of ireland. the third thing they set up was a british—irish council to promote the relationship between britain and ireland. also in the deal was dual british and irish citizenship for those who wanted it, a return to peacetime security arrangements, and the removal of security installations. all illegal paramilitary groups also had to destroy their weapons. i hereby give notice... a referendum was held on both sides of the border with the agreement being accepted by an overall majority. yes - 71.12%. cheering and applause i'm now on my way to dublin, crossing the border into the republic of ireland. it's about a 2—hour drive and i'm on my way to speak to some of the relatives of re one of the people responsible for giving so many hope back in 1998. we in the stlp concluded many years ago that we couldn't lay the basis for agreement against a background of violence or disorder. that is why we entered into the process of dialogue — to do everything in our power to bring peace to our streets. 0llie, explain to me who your granddad is. ah, well, my granddad isjohn hume. he was a politician in northern ireland. he worked during the troubles and worked during the peace process and on the good friday agreement, and he sort of helped bring the two sides together. well, i guess how i knew him, he was always in the house i in donegal and he'd l always be sat in the — there's, like, an armchair. in the sitting room and he'd always be sat there and he'd i always have the crossword out. he loved petit filous. the yoghurts? yeah, the yoghurts, yeah! i think my granny had to hide all, like, the chocolates- and sweets and yoghurts and basically anything i with sugar in it 'cos i he'd hunt them down! you'd go in, he'd be in his armchair and he'd have fallen asleep watching the tv. and if you go to change the channel, he'd be, like, "i was watching that!" yeah, and he'd always ask for his dessert before his dinner — i always remember that. before his dinner? before his dinner! and he wasjust — i don't think i really realised, cos i was quite young, i don't think i really realised how important he really was to the country until he died and he was on the news for, like, five days straight. iwas, like, "oh, my god!" like, i have no idea because he was reallyjust 'granddad'. what do you know about the good friday agreement as well? i guess i know what it meant and that kind of what it — - like sort of the ideas it- brought in to northern ireland about peace and everyone getting along and all thati kind of thing. but, yeah... how important do you think it is? i think it's really— important, yeah, definitely. well, it kind of cements - the fact that people don'tjust want to keep on fighting in this day~ _ they want change, and people were looking for change, - and, like, i think it's a sign i that, like, if people wanted it then, it's a thing that we should stand by now. - how do you feel about what your granddad did 25 years ago? i honestly think it's pretty good because, like, i'd be in school and i'd be, like, just in history or whatever, and you would be looking through the textbook and there would just be, like, photographs of him and talking about him, and it's, like, wow, he really did something important. what's the legacy like for you, 0llie? some of my friends were over here the other day and they saw, like, the photo with bill clinton and the nobel prize, and they think it's crazy. like, some of them were sending photos of it to their parents. and they were saying, "0h, is this not weird, " having it in your house?" to me, it'sjust my granddad. 100 miles back up the road is belfast, northern ireland's capital city. during the troubles, it was the scene of many brutal attacks and killings but also, is where some talks were held and the good friday agreement signed. today, it's a modern city, attracting tourists from all over the world who want to learn about its past and the peace process. but in some areas of the city, like here in west belfast, where walls that separate the two sides of the community tower over houses — and, in some cases, run through people's back gardens — peace isn't something that's a certainty. siren wails shouting just two years ago, riots broke out by the peace line at lanark way. police officers were attacked, petrol bombs thrown and a bus was set on fire. police said paramilitary organisations were likely to have been involved. it's a different picture to where i am now — the lyric theatre across the city — where i've come to meet some young actors rehearsing for their next big production. "but all loyal catholics have my protection." "all the ancient fathers baptised the very young." "baptism in the scriptures - is for adults who come to jesus "by their free will." hello, guys! all: hiya! sorry for interrupting. aaron, you're telling me you're from the shankill area, ballysilla n. that's an area that, i suppose, is quite famous, known for being, like, a unionist loyalist area. well, tell me a bit about what it's like growing up there. i was always quite insulated from, like, the sort of conflict, i guess — like, my parents kind of kept it out. like, i didn't really even know catholics were a thing until i was about 10. and i remember my dad trying to explain it to me and just not having a clue about what he talking about. those areas are quite underfunded or deprived in some areas. i think they've been left behind a bit in some of the regeneration that's gone on post—good friday agreement. would you describe peace as fragile in, you know, maybe the area that you grew up in? i think so. i think especially the last couple of years, especially i think post—brexit has sort of started to put an awful lot — i don't know if was a couple of months or a year ago, i can't remember, there was all that trouble in lanark way and there was a bus stolen and everything else, and i remember being there that night and the — the riot or whatever you want to call it, there was the old boys at the back sending the young lads at the front forward, do you know what i mean? so, i think especially over the last couple of years, i think there's a perception among a lot of people in sort of the areas i'm from that the peace hasn't necessarily benefited them. so, where could the next 25 years, then, take northern ireland's creative and arts industries? we have a burgeoning film and tv industry here. like, across the world, it's almost synonymous now with northern ireland. the last five years, you couldn't open a finance magazine or a tech magazine that didn't tell you the place to open a start—up because of the — whatever, the low land rates or whatever, is belfast. it's a tech hub of europe, etc, etc, etc. none of that would have been possible pre the good friday agreement because none of — nobody would've wanted to come here and set up a business where somebody could just blow it to pieces. it's — it's not a good business decision. like, it's simply not. and that's why the good friday agreement is so important because you can interpret it in so many different ways as well, in terms of a historical document, a cultural document but it's also an economic document in that it has helped us gain some semblance of peace here and a ceasefire which has allowed places to open businesses and, ultimately, do better for our country. so, how does your immediate family and yourfriends and that react whenever you told them you wanted to pursue a career in the arts? my immediate family were all very supportive cos they used to come see my shows and stuff when i was a kid, and they were all very supportive of it, but, i mean, i worked for 1.5 years in the shankill, and a couple of years back there, and sometimes people would ask, "what are you up to?" and you tell them and they'd kind of be like, "oh, what? what's that?" and i think in some, like, loyalist communities, the arts is seen as quite a feminine thing because there's sort of a more traditional style of masculinity in places like that. what more can be done? i think policy changes. people need to start voting based on actual policy- and notjust... "i'm going to vote for the most unionist people i can, - "i'm going to vote for the most | nationalist people i can to get| "the most unionist people out or to get the most nationalist| "people out," cos that is not constructive for anyone, - cos then it's just always - sinn fein dup, and nothing's changing because - everyone'is too scared. we just need to make it... like, obviously, i don't... i don't have the answer. like, i am just a 19—year—old girl, but they need to... - they need to find some other way to structure it. _ we've come to londonderry, or 'derry�*, northern ireland's second city, with a population of about 110,000 people. we're on peace bridge right now, and peace is something we've talked a lot about, but i'm now keen to hear what other issues are on young people's minds here. my first stop is the guildhall to meet bethany who works for a women's organisation, and in her spare time, supports those having abortions. it's really hard for me to approach the 25th anniversary with this celebratory tone. i mean, there are a lot of issues to address within the north right now — we're in a cost—of—living crisis, we're in a healthcare crisis, people here still don't have full access to abortion, as was promised when decriminalisation came in in 2019. i really think we have to look at all those social justice issues, so we have to look at, you know, proper healthcare institutions, you know, we also have the worst nhs waiting lists across the uk, we need to look at the mental health crisis here, you know, we've lost more lives to suicide than we did in the troubles, we need to look at, you know, diversity, the changing demographics, you know, ending violence against women and girls, champion relationships and sex education, doing that work on the ground to make sure that everyone here can not only survive, but thrive and live healthy, fulfilled lives. i mean, surely that's what peace is all about. so, those changes that you've said you'd like to see happen — how do they happen? i mean, i think it's difficult when you're in a place that has just complete political stalemate. we need a democratic voice here. so i think, you know, people are starting to look at amending the agreement. you know, i think we need some sort of political voice here. whether that's done through stormont or other means, and i think it's natural for people to start looking at alternatives when it comes to things like that as well. just outside the guildhall and across the street is the peace flame garden, and it's where i meet donall. like the rest of the uk, people are struggling financially. like, the price of gas has gone up, the price of petrol bounces around, people are struggling to make ends meet. like, for example, i'm on a salary, like, i make a full—time wage in myjob as a union officer, but i still pick up shifts on the side at my local, i still pull pints on the weekend. part of that is because i enjoy it, but part of that, as well, trying to make ends meet, trying to cover my rent. what would your hopes be for where northern ireland could be in, say, maybe 25 years' time? i'd love for us to be in a position where we have a political system that represents our entire society, something that builds on the framework that was laid out by the good friday agreement 25 years ago to a point where we have a fair system where everybody feels they're represented and where everybody�*s views are represented. it's going to take a lot of work to get there. i don't think we're there yet, i think we're on the road there, but what we have now, our current power—sharing system has some wrinkles that really need to be ironed out desperately. the final person i'm meeting on my tour of derry is student ellie—jo at one of the city's newest tourist hot spots, the derry girls mural. so, ellie—jo, you are a real—life derry girl. we've got obviously the tv derry girls there, but you are a true born and bred derry girl. yeah, born in derry, love it. what other issues are young people in northern ireland concerned about at the minute? we have no opportunity here. we have a cap on the numbers of students who can attend our local universities, which i think is just abysmal. that we would actually rather them to go somewhere else. and they don't come back after that. so i'm seeing my friends leave year after year, and i think, in general, how do we build a sense of community from that? if we already have our own internal issues, we keep leaving. who's going to be left to rebuild things here? northern ireland's been without an executive now for over a year. it's not the first time this has happened. what impact does that have on you and your friends and other young people? i'm only 18 years of age. i actually don't really know a functional stormont. we only had it there for about two, three years before it actually broke down once again. i think when i actually look at politics, what political leadership have i seen, what actual politics have i seen? and it's all been very disappointing. like, i actually don't understand. where do you think northern ireland could get to in the next 25 years? john hume and other peace builders were once in a lifetime. john hume and those peace builders at their peak wasn't in my lifetime, so we do have that new opportunity. i think politicians need to realise that. nobody is looking for another john hume, but i want somebody of that magnitude that can build people together and kind of create a movement that can better us all, and that's something in the next 25 years we could aim for. but just days after speaking to bethany, donall and ellie—jo in derry, and 25 years to the day since the agreement was signed, these were the scenes in the city. people hiding their faces took part in an illegal republican parade, which soon turned violent, with petrol bombs being thrown at a police van. tensions are flaring up again with republican and loyalist paramilitary groups, notjust in derry. but for the young people i've been speaking to, there's still positivity, optimism and hope around their future on what the next 25 years could bring. hello. the weather over the next few days will be such that we could see huge variations in conditions over just the space of a few miles. yes, a fairly showery outlook it is through the rest of tuesday and into wednesday. some of the showers where we do see them, though, could come with some particularly potent downpours. now, we will have seen some heavy rain through the night across england and wales especially. that will be edging away, still lingering first light, east anglia and the southeast, but a mild enough start for many. some clearer conditions in the west where temperatures are a little bit lower. but some showers will have continued overnight, southern scotland, northern england, and they could still be there through the morning rush hour, some of them on the heavy side. we will then, after seeing some sunny spells develop quite widely, showers get going more widely, like a rash developing across the country. they will be hit or miss, but greater chance of missing them western half of england and wales through the afternoon, as well as western scotland. so some longer sunny spells here, maybe up to around 18 degrees in the east when the sunshine is out. but it's here where we could see some of those showers become thundery through the afternoon. southern and eastern england especially can be a little bit of hail mixed in and some gusty winds. they will fade, though, quite quickly into the first part of the evening, and then some clear skies through eastern areas overnight, leading to temperatures down to around five or six degrees in rural parts, a little bit fresher than the past couple of nights. but further west, more cloud starts to push its way in and yet more showers. so, it will be an east—west split. best of the morning sunshine in eastern areas and the west, some sunny spells, but often lots of cloud, generally more cloud around on wednesday compared with tuesday. and the showers are more widespread, greater chance of seeing some come your way. only a few places will avoid them. temperatures continue to dropjust a little bit, but pleasant enough in between those showers and in some of the sunnier moments. now the area of low pressure responsible for those showers becoming more widespread, drifts a bit further southwards as you go through wednesday night into thursday. and it's around the centre where the showers are most likely to be. and around the centre is where they will be slow moving. notice how theyjust develop as we go through thursday widely across england, wales, southern scotland, and for part northern ireland. but it's across parts of england and wales where they could be at their worst with some thunder mixed in, and as i said, slow moving. so some large rainfall totals possible, to the north of scotland. while it feels cooler here, we will see the best of the drier weather. more dry weather, though, to come for all of us to end the week. feeling a bit warmer, too. maybe some late rain on saturday. take care. live from washington, this is bbc news. welcome to viewers on pbs in america. palestinian officials say three leaders of the islamichhad militant group have been killed in israeli air raids on the gaza strip. the us state of texas is preparing for an influx of migrants, days after a mass shooting and car crash left 16 people dead. russia has launched its biggest wave of drone attacks on ukraine in months. ten regions were targeted overnight, and at least three civilians were killed. we start with a developing story tonight. you're looking at a live shot in gaza city, where just hours ago. the israeli military has carried out air raids

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