not the airlines' problem. will nats pay anything? itlat not the airlines' problem. will nats pay anything?— pay anything? not a penny. that is the big debate _ pay anything? not a penny. that is the big debate and _ pay anything? not a penny. that is the big debate and we _ pay anything? not a penny. that is the big debate and we will- pay anything? not a penny. that is| the big debate and we will continue to address it throughout the course of this conversation. tim, thank you for being with us this morning. not easy to come on and put the airlines' point of view, tim jeans, former director at ryanair and monarch airlines. got so caught up in these stories, lost track of time. time for the news that 9.37. here is bethan holmes with the latest. thank you, rachel. the head of the national air traffic services says the system glitch on monday was 'incredibly rare' and it shouldn't happen again. martin rolfe has told the bbc both the primary and back—up systems which process flight plans automatically went offline. many brits are still stuck abroad because of the disruption.

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