Transcripts For BBCNEWS Newsnight 20170801 : comparemela.com

Transcripts For BBCNEWS Newsnight 20170801

Of weird moves. Macarena. Hey, scaramucci but some things are still refreshingly familiar. Donald trump tweeting a short time ago change . Yes. But revolution . No. John sopel, bbc news, washington. Thats a summary of the news, newsday is coming up at midnight. Now on bbc news its time for newsnight. Bundled away in his pajamas. Theres International Condemnation tonight for the violent crackdown in venezuala. As these Opposition Leaders are detained, the un and the eu urge their immediate release. Well try to understand the situation, with the help of an opposition senator and a pro government activist. Fentanyl, an anaesthetic 50 times more powerful than heroin, is the drug that killed the rock star prince. Today we learned that its illicit use has killed at least 60 people already this year in one area of the county alone. Well ask why did it take so long to realise this was going on . And ryanairs shy and self effacing boss is warning of severe turbulence for air travel when we brexit. Is he right . Good evening. The world has finally focussed on the severity of the crisis in venezuela following sundays vote to put more power in the hands of president maduro. The lethal cocktail of violent crackdown, food shortages, spiralling inflation, rapidly draining reserves is breeding chaos. The abduction of Opposition Leaders in the middle of the night, filmed on the Mobile Phones of their families, will have been viewed millions of times in the country, and the International Response has been overwhelmingly condemnatory. Only cuba is standing four square behind president maduro. Following us sanctions imposed yesterday the un secretary general Antonio Guterres called for urgent political negotiations between the government and the opposition to curb the escalating tension and violence. Vladimir hernandez is a venezuelan correspondent for the bbc and has this report on the crisis in his home country. In the middle of last night, in pyjamas, in front of family members, a venezuelan opposition politician is bundled into a vehicle belonging to the intelligence services. Help, said antonio ledezma, who has been kept under house arrest for two years for allegedly plotting against president maduro. This is a dictatorship, says this woman, while he is taken away. At the same time, another opposition politician, leopoldo lopez, is also arrested. He is a well known politician who was recently put under house arrest after being imprisoned since 2015 for supposedly inciting violent acts. For half a century, venezuela was seen as one of the most stable countries in latin america, but since chavez was elected at the turn of the century, increasingly their democratic credentials have been been called into question. Last nights arrests come amidst an ongoing political battle between the successor of hugo chavez and plans to change the constitution. And the political instability is fuelling social unrest. In the streets, protests have been erupting since april, venezuelans have long put up with inflation of at least 800 . Severe food and medicine shortages mean that the people are living through the worst years since the chavez revolution. Caracas is basically collapsed. You can find barricades in every other corner. President maduro says that the changes to the constitution voted in on sunday were to restore peace in the country, but, here, he is also saying that with these new powers he will seek to remove the Attorney General, a former government supporter who has now accused the government of state terrorism, for the way it has dealt with protesters and opposition politicians. You can find the deep senses of frustration after the results were announced. Absolutely non credible. Unbelievable to everybody in immediate position. Over 100 people have died in these months of Anti Government protests. Thousands more have been arrested amid heavy criticism from human rights organisations. This current wave of protests feels very different from those seen in the past years. With hunger and despair are growing, some of those involved in these demonstrations have told me there is not much to lose any more. Will grant is a bbc latin america correspondent and is in caracas for us tonight. First of all can i ask you whether you know where people where people are tonight . And i think he is uncertain as to whether he will be speaking just for a second so we was up to him in a moment. In a moment ill be speaking to the venezualuan mp juan mekhia, one of the leaders of the countrys opposition coalition. But first im joined here in the studio byjavier farkhe, an activist and journalist who supports the maduro government. Good evening to you. Thank you for having me. You have met president maduro. Is he capable of sanctioning torture . I think hes hugely underestimated in terms of the way he is dealing with the situation. He has been facing protests, lootings, violence, strikes, attempts to bring him down and hes still. He been arresting people and there has been tear gas, is he capable of ordering torture . No. Ok, president maduro called for this assembly not to change the constitution but he introduced reforms. The constitution will stay the same. But the power to appoint judges does change and people are protesting that. They felt it was removing their democratic rights of the people. The judges were appointed in 2015 with the endorsement of the Attorney General who has turned his back on the government. One of the reasons that she is in trouble is that she has denied that she has anything to do with the appointment of the judges before the government to over the national assembly. The country is practically on its knees. It is. We have a situation where there is International Condemnation of what is going on in venezuela and particularly, from the un, the bundling into Cars Last Night of two Opposition Leaders. Was that a mistake . It could have been handled in a different way but they had violated the conditions under which they have been put under house arrest. They were in their homes in the middle of the night. Should they have been arrested in any case . Well, one of the reasons they were arrested was because they violated the conditions of their house arrest. First of all they called for protests which was forbidden by the government and they called for violence. There are videos which show how. He actually calls for violence . You can quote that . Rebelling against the government is not calling for violence. If youre calling on the army to do that, youre asking the army to rebel against the government, then you are calling for a military coup, which is something theyve been doing for a long time, ever since the failed coup of 2002. Obviously, notwithstanding the oil price, and the collapse, president Maduro Cannot keep a handle on what is going on in his economy. There are food shortages, people cannot move freely around the country any more, a government is not working. The government is working in as much as is possible. Its difficult for the government to handle that situation because of low oil prices. There is little hard currency available to buy products not produced in venezuelan. But the accusation is that in the middle of all this hardship there is utter corruption. There is clear evidence in videos and images which shows that convoys of food for distribution have been attacked by gangs of opposition motorcyclists. There has been a lot of speculation within the private sectors that handles the warehouses. Why are you so sure . Why are you so sure that the combined opposition does not have the policies to relieve the situation . 63 of the people, according to an opinion poll, a poll in favour of the government, says that the opposition do not have the capacity to solve this. They have been trying to bring down the government. They do not have a clear position on how to help the economy. Can i be clear. You back entirely president maduros policies . Not at all. I think mistakes have been made, they could have dealt better with the issue of the exchange rate, it is a big problem. At the same time, when he took office in 2013, that coincided with the drop in oil prices. No government would have been able to handle that situation better. Thank you. Now we can go to our correspondent in caracas. Will, just first of all tonight, we saw those pictures of the Opposition Leaders being bundled into Cars Last Night by security services. Weve heard a supporter of president maduro saying tonight that they violated their curfew at home. What has happened, do you have any idea where they are . It appears that both men are in a prison on the outskirts, in fact, outside caracas. Very little more than that is known at this stage. Theoretically they need to come before a judge to hear the reasoning for their rearrest. Which, as far as we know, considering a statement was released by the government, is for two reasons. One is that they broke the terms according to the government of their house arrest, specifically because they released videos around this very controversial vote for a new legislative body, which they said was an appeal to people to take to the streets. Obviously thats a very controversial idea, their lawyers and families deny that. But the other reason put out by the government was that they were trying to flee. Again, the families say thats not the case. Do we know what the mood is like tonight, Notjust In Caracas but other big cities . Presumably the videos of the arrest have gone around the now, around the country . In caracas, it is extremely tense, people have been setting up barricades on the streets over the past few days, particularly on the day of the vote itself, it was extremely tense, there was a lot of nervousness, there were clashes between the Security Forces and ordinary people and protesters, journalists were attacked in one part of the city as well. It is an extremely strange. You know, unique kind of feeling on the streets at the moment. I used to live in caracas when hugo chavez was in power and it is starting to feel like the rule of law is slipping compared to those days. Since then, these two men have been arrested and that adds further to the tension, particularly in areas that are controlled by the opposition. Thank you very much indeed. We had been hoping to speak to a leader of the venezuelan opposition tonight but we had technical problems and we will return to the story again. In amongst all the claims and counter claims of the impact on our lives of brexit, in every industry, the future of travel to some of our most Loved European destinations, aviation is exercising Airline Owners and passengers alike. And two of the most vocal Airline Bosses have directly opposing views. Willie walsh, the boss of ba, insists all flying conditions will be smooth, but Michael Oleary of ryanair, is the doom monger. Ill be speaking to him in a moment but first in case of you need it, a reminder of his credentials. Michael oleary has long been a pantomime villain. They occasionally foul mouthed irishman has never been afraid to ruffle a few feathers. And Ruffle Feathers is exactly what his airline has done over the last three decades, with Humble Beginnings and is 51 staff in 1985, it has sought to become the Largest Airline in europe, carrying 170 million passengers last year. It has also attracted consumer anger, developing, some might say nurturing, a reputation for ruthlessness and uncaring service. Now however, mr oleary is centrestage with dire warnings about the risk of brexit. He argues that it threatens the eu Open Skies Arrangement which guarantees important freedoms to airlines. These nine freedoms established in 19114 permit for example, airlines belonging to one country to fly passengers to and from their country of origin. They also allow airlines belonging to one country to fly passengers between two Different Countries or internally within another country. For instance, easyjet, a uk airline, can fly from london to paris and back but also from paris to rome orfrom rome to milan. With brexit, these freedoms could be at risk. For one thing, the system operates under thejurisdiction of the European Court ofjustice, which britain has vowed to leave. So, will we see empty skies and hundreds of grounded planes at heathrow and manchester the day after we leave the eu . With his alarmism dismissed by other industry figures, mr oleary is largely alone in this assessment. Hes not been afraid of that in the past. Michael oleary is with me now. Youre meeting transport secretary Chris Grayling tomorrow, others may see him afterwards, what is your pitch . It is one of concern. The problem with the legislation is if the uk leads the European Union it is automatically leaving open skies. As things stand currently there are no Flight Rights between the uk and the europe and vice versa. That happens at the end of march. Uk government therefore has to negotiate a bilateral knot with individual countries but with the eu 27. There is no sign of that being negotiated and no sign of any agreement. Youre part of the eu, youre irish, and a leading businessman. You can go to michel barnier, to the 27 and say it is up to you to go faster. We are but the french and germans are saying michel barnier, slow down. If we caused ba, easyjet and ryanair some disruption for a period of months, and aviation comes up six months before brexit, if we do not have the right to fly will cancel those flights. But it is in everyones interest. That is the misunderstanding here in the uk. It is not in everyones interests. It is european interests, said in the European Airlines who are lobbying against this to not have an agreement when it will not last for a couple of years but a couple of months. But the british people when booking holidays for the summer of 2019 it will be drive or get a ferry to scotland or ireland. You are an outlier on this. Everyone else was in denial. This is reality. There are other legal realities which will come unto. But you attended a meeting at the European Parliament last month and we have a clip of willie walsh taking a diametrically opposed view to you. He says it is going to be fine. With Policy Support it ought to be relatively straightforward to agree a deal on aviation that will be ready when the uk leads the eu. With Policy Support it should be relatively easy. There is no Policy Support, that is the problem. But when you see Chris Grayling tomorrow there could be . I hope there will be but Chris Grayling and the uk government have not been able to negotiate the divorce bill, they cannot agree on whether the European Court ofjustice governs european Citizens Rights here in the uk, never mind doing the sectoral agreement for aviation. What is different about aviation is there is no fallback position. It is not covered by wto. The uk is out of open skies and must negotiate an agreement. The uk is not yet out of open skies and may perhaps at yet negotiate an agreement and also several airlines including the one that controls British Airways, iag, will have a base within the European Union. Easyjet will have. Untrue. That will allow them to fly the way they are flying just now. That is incorrect because there are two issues. Ownership restrictions and Flight Rights. The current Ownership Setup of iag will not survive a hard brexit. In your opinion. A Spanish Company owning British Airways. No one would like an agreement more than i would. But youre not recognising the reality that continental europeans see aviation as a means to put pressure on british people around september, October Of 2018 because there will be no agreement. The business of ownership, ryanair has a big issue. In order to have the ability to fly from one destination to another in the European Union, 50 plus of the company has to be owned and controlled by eu nationals. True. Ryanair is not, it is at 38 . We are at a0 . That is too low. We are buying back 5 of our stock every year. That is not a challenge for me to buy more. So you take money out of uk Pension Funds supporting ryanair . We are buying back our own shares. At the moment you do not comply with the regulations which will allow you to fly between cities in the European Union. At the moment we do because british shareholders are treated as eu citizens. I accept that. In a hard brexit if the uk leaves we will have two forced uk shareholders to sell but the easyjet structure will also have to be sold out. Easyjet cannot own and Austrian Company and British Airways will not be allowed. You have an Austrian Company 50 owned by european nationals. But easyjet only own a minority. They do not control it either. Youre missing the point. At the moment you can do this but after brexit unless you can, unless ryanair is owned 50 plus percent by eu nati

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