Transcripts For BBCNEWS Newsnight 20170613 : comparemela.com

Transcripts For BBCNEWS Newsnight 20170613

Well find out if the president should be worried. And this. And| will always love you. Stephen smith on a new movie about whitney houston. Hello. So theresa may is here to stay, for the time being. Which means she now has to wallow in the complexities of a precarious politics. Sorting out a deal with the dup for stability at home, and sorting out a position with the eu on brexit. As she said yesterday, she got her party into this mess, shell get them out of it. The dup deal is almost done, but not signed yet. The brexit one is a great deal more complicated, and with days to go until the formal start, the department for exiting the eu, dexeu to its friends, is being reshuffled its lost two ministers in 2a hours. Is it too strong to use the word disarray . Well, theresa may sat down for dinner and a bit of football this evening, with president macron of france. Well take stock shortly, but first David Grossman looks at the Prime Ministers day. A Tourist Snapping Landmarks today might conclude our Democratic Institutions are in imminent danger of collapse. The government is certainly in urgent need of propping up. From who . Well, this happy band, it appears. They may be few but their smiles tell you how important they know they are right now. Agreement was not sealed today but we are clearly heading that way. The dup will support the government in return for what . Im not going to negotiate over the airwaves but there has been a lot of commentary around the issues we are talking about and it wont surprise anybody we are talking about matters that pertain to the nation generally, bringing stability to the uk government in and around issues around brexit, obviously around counterterrorism and then doing what is right for Northern Ireland in respect of economic matters. Today, one of the architects of the Peace Process warned theresa may against a dup deal. I understand what she wishes to shore up her parliament position, that is understandable and i sympathise. But, but, my main concern certainly is the Peace Process. A fundamental part of that Peace Process is that the uk government needs to be impartial between all the competing interests in Northern Ireland. Colonel bob stewart did seven Tours Of Duty in Northern Ireland as an Infantry Officer and is now a conservative mp and insists there is nothing to fear from a deal with the dup. What is motivating them is the thought that if the conservatives are not in power on the mainland, Jeremy Corbyn, who actually gave succour to the provisional ira, succour, when i was on the ground in Northern Ireland watching my soldiers fighting and losing their lives, they dont want that under any circumstances whatsoever. The Prime Minister did face the commons today which was mostly engaged in re electing the speaker unopposed. Cue a rather self conscious joke from mrs may. Mr speaker elect, on behalf of the whole house, may i congratulate you on your re election. At least somebody got a landslide mr speaker, it is customary on these occasions to congratulate the returning Prime Minister and i absolutely do so and i congratulate her on returning and im sure she will agree with me that democracy is a wondrous thing and can throw up some very unexpected results. What is no laughing matter of course are the Brexit Negotiations which will start, the government insists, On Schedule Next monday. However, the government department, charged with running them, is currently undergoing major renovations. The secretary of state, david davis, still sits atop the department for exiting the eu, but below him it is all change. The reshuffle has seen the departure of both lord bridges and david jones from ministerial office. Theyve been replaced by steve baker and baroness Joyce Whojoined junior minister mr robin walker. With Brexit Negotiations due to start in less than a week you have to say it makes the departure of these ministers very difficult. Even more difficult and the new ministers will need to come in and get up to speed quickly. They will need to build Volition Chips and Companies Across the department and government. Mrs mays day didnt get much better with a visit to paris to meet the new french president. Two leaders whom fortune has treated so differently. One with a landslide at his feet and the wind at his back and the other. After the election there are those in mrs mays party who hope that brexit might now be averted. And the french president gave them some very carefully worded encouragement. Translation of course the door remains always open Brexit Negotiations come to an end, but that said, a sovereign decision was taken by the british people and that is to come out of the European Union and i very much respect the decision taken by the people, be it by the french people ought the british people. By tomorrow mrs may should get a formal offer of support she needs to prop up her government, but that is really only the beginning of her problems. Nick watt is our Political Editor and helen thomas is our business editor. We have got things to discuss. Nick, starting with the dup, because this has been going on a few days, we thought we would get it signed today, what is happening . Theresa may and Arlene Foster are inching towards what will be known as a supply and confidence deal with the dup supplying and confidence means supporting the Tories On Boats and crucially votes and crucially on the queens speech. Once thats passed itll will allow the government to pursue its legislative agenda, but crucially it triggers the terms of the fixed in Parliament Act and that means the parliament is then locked for five years and let you go through the very contradicted procedure of unlocking that and that means the dup and the tories have what they want. The tories fear another election underJeremy Corbyn and the dup dont want the idea of a Jeremy Corbyn premiership. But what this means is it now looks very unlikely even if there is a deal tomorrow that the original date of the queens speech will be agreed for next monday. Its all down to the ink drying on the Goat Skin Parchment Paper a lot of talk we might go to the next slot which is tuesday the 27th ofjune, but we will get clarification on the date when we get the deal. But one clarification we do have is that the dup and the pm agree that brexit talks start next week. Theres not a problem thats been holding it up for tomorrow . theres not a problem thats been holding it up for tomorrow . I think the dup might be enjoying their moment in the sun. Lets talk about brexit side because we have these extraordinary goings on at the Brexit Department with more change than you might ideally want a week before negotiations start. Yes, the departments lost 50 of its ministers. Which is only two. Intriguingly, as you saw, one of the appointment is steve baker. He has been the convener of the Main Brexit Group which is the European Research group and he runs the Whatsapp Group that basically instructs the brexit supporting mps what to do and say but we have an intervention by David Cameron tonight who has told a conference in poland that the results of the general election will lead to pressure for a soft the brexit and the ft cites him as a new player on the stage. The 12 new scottish mps and is also called on theresa may to insult other Political Parties on brexit. These sort of interventions are being heard in the eu. Macron said today there is still time for the uk to have a rethink and you could come back in until article 50 is triggered and that has also been said by the german finance minister. I wonder if they would let us keep the Budget Rebate maybe we would end up paying £350 million a week. If you did it before article 50 ends, maybe, but it is within a treaty and that has to be agreed by everyone. Lets talk about some other aspects. Helen, everybody is watching the dynamics on if they will be nice or not to us, but today there was a decision by the commission which gave a sense that cool heads are prevailing on the issue of Euro Clearing. So clearing is a pretty unsexy but very important part of the plumbing of derivatives markets. Clearers manage risk but importantly if someone goes bust they make sure everybody gets paid. London handles about three quarters of Euro Clearing and that has been a long standing issue for some of the more protectionist parts of europe. Now, the big fear was that the European Commission would say games over and you have the relocate to the continent. They didnt. They said the biggest Clearing Houses would need more regulation and theyd effectively have to be supervised by the eu. London is ok with that, that is what the americans do effectively because they also do dollar business. So they will be regular to institutions in london from brussels. They would have some oversight of the clearers in london. There is a sting in the tail. The Commission Wants the power to relocate claiming further down the line if regulation is not working. It seems like regulators, not politicians, would make that call. But the fear is you put this in place and eventually somebody will figure out a way to use it. Thank you. Well, hilary benn is the former chair of the Brexit Select Committee and is seeking re election to that position. We can talk to him about the whole gamut of issues come up coming up in the brexit debate. You would rather have a Shadow Cabinet Position than be chair of the select committee if a Shadow Cabinet Position was offered . Shadow cabinet positions are a matter forjeremy but i will, assuming labour if given the opportunity once again to chair the select committee, will put myself forward by election by the house of commons. I believe there is an importantjob that needs to be done particularly in the circumstances and the shambles we are in. You use the word shambles do you think it is odd there has been a ministerial Changing Of The Guard at the Brexit Department a week before negotiations . I think it is absolutely astonishing. Those ministers have been working very hard, talking to lots of people and getting their head around the issues, the more you look, the more you realise there is to negotiate and less than a week before negotiations begin half the team disappears and two new people arrived and they have to read up at high speed. I should think of the european negotiators will wonder what were doing. This is bad for britain. What the election result has shown clearly is the idea of leaving the eu with no deal is now dead and buried. That it is definitely parliament that will decide the shape of the brexit we will have. We had a white paper which set out the objectives. Are you saying that is dead or if that still alive . I think it is very important because only a couple of days ago david davis was still talking about being prepared to leave with no deal and that would be catastrophic, as we showed when he appeared before the select committee any had to explain to us what the consequences would be. But in order to get effective scrutiny the government has had and i would like to see the select committee have a stronger role in its work, being able to receive regular reports from ministers, to call debates in parliament to make it explicit that the committee is overseeing the negotiations on behalf of parliament and notjust the work of the Brexit Department. That sounds modest because a lot of people, including David Cameron, are saying it would be a good idea to bring more parties and more people into this and build a parliamentary consensus around what kind of brexit we should have. William hague this morning. Would that be your committee or a bigger thing . Theres a range of things could be done. You could bring in business, unions and others. To consult on the process. But you cant have that. If it is too many people you cannot expect them to be involved in the nitty gritty. The point im making is i think there are a number of different options but in the End Parliament has a committee whose job it is going to be to oversee that but also it will need to lead to changes in policy. The negotiations are taking place with the dup and the dup are clear as are all parties that they do not want a return to a hard border and customs. The government is taking a risk saying we want to be out of the Customs Union but sort of in. That isnt going to work. One step they could take is to revisit that decision and say if you want a guarantee for British Business in Northern Ireland, then to stay in the Customs Union. Forego the right to sign new trade deals independently . The us is already our largest single Trading Market and trading goods with china has quadrupled in the past decade. Staying in the Customs Union, one we have all these people saying we want a softer brexit, vaguely expressed, is that what it comes down to, when we hear people say soft brexit is the debate inside the Customs Union or not . I think that is the first and clearly sensible step to take. The second issue will be what kind of access we have to the single market. But also cooperation on things like foreign policy, the fight against terrorism. That continued cooperation is essential to our security as we leave the eu. I need to talk to you butJeremy Corbyn, he had a much better electorally but also did not think he was very good and ijust wonder whether you still do not think hes very good. You will have had review your position on when he can get the button. But have you changed your mind about him . I thought he fought a Brilliant Campaign which influenced a lot of people with a message of hope rather than a message of fear like the tories. There was a cheerful meeting of the Parliamentary Labour Party this evening in contrast to the last time before the election to do that. And that is a great achievement. M further our support. But his qualities as leader i suppose have not changed his appeal has changed or you have changed your view of it. What about Leadership Qualities . While the qualities he demonstrated during the campaign in the face of the attacks from the conservatives, had a pretty hard time at the hands of the press and Jeremy Corbyn did not rise to that, he inspired people and brought young people and others who had not voted before out. We had many Additional Labour mps and it is a fantastic foundation to build on for the next election, ashl. Fagla 95 5 . ,. ,. ,. ,5,; . ,a,,. J. When thank you. In the labour party, of which there were many. Now, its the tories turn. The arguments over brexit are one thing, but there are other things that divide the factions too. Daily mail tories versus Financial Times ones. Blue collar versus toffs, fiscal conservatives versus tax cutters at all cost. The great debate about what direction should the party from a government post by theresa may. But first, we went out today to sample some views of conservative voters. Im andrew brian. Glenn murray. Im a conservative district council. Traditional conservative supporter. I voted for the conservative party by postal vote. It does not seem like a strong basis for the future but i think she must do that for a period of time until we get through this current shes a good advocate for the country, with a strong personality and very strong views. 5. 3 55. ;5 55 5. 5 5 5. 5 . G and showed her face on tv ad fought a corner. But she is a winner and will come through at the end of the day iam sure. Most of the obvious issues around equality and things like that are just not relevant. Most of those are divorced. At all these things which are quite important to be young voters. So that is not terribly appealing. But i guess if that is what is going to help the conservatives stay 7 it is only a temporary measure because once she gets her party back in full swing that will be the end to this conversation. You are optimistic customer very. I believe in theresa may. I think theresa may has big ideas on all these brexit deals already whereas Jeremy Corbyn hasnt s

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