going — whoever is in charge, we are going to _ whoever is in charge, we are going to need to make those changes _ going to need to make those chances. ., , changes. you were very identified _ changes. you were very identified with - changes. you were very identified with this - changes. you were very identified with this idea | changes. you were very . identified with this idea of selling channel 4 so it is no longer a public service broadcaster. do you think that the fact you are no longer there and you are so associated with that policy suggest the government is more lukewarm about going ahead without than they were two days ago? the first thing — they were two days ago? the first thing to _ they were two days ago? the first thing to say _ they were two days ago? the first thing to say is _ they were two days ago? the first thing to say is that channel 4 will remain a public service — channel 4 will remain a public service broadcaster whatever happens _ service broadcaster whatever happens to the ownership of it. we are — happens to the ownership of it. we are completely committed to that but — we are completely committed to that but i— we are completely committed to that but i would say that obviously the government it's decision— obviously the government it's decision to discuss the ownership of channel 4 was a decision— ownership of channel 4 was a decision taken by the secretary of state — decision taken by the secretary of state but as a result of cabinet _ of state but as a result of cabinet discussion and ultimately with the authority in support of the prime minister. that has not changed in the — minister. that has not changed in the arguments why it is necessary to look at the future of channel 4 have not changed either— of channel 4 have not changed either so — of channel 4 have not changed either so i _ of channel 4 have not changed either so i don't think you should _ either so i don't think you should read into it any shift in the — should read into it any shift in the policy, personalities don't — in the policy, personalities don't necessarily determine policies _ don't necessarily determine policies and this is something